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? 10:38:06 ohwow: (modulo (+ 2 3) 2) works for me? 10:38:21 but not (modulo 3.4 2) 10:39:11 on my scheme system it works as well 10:39:35 hm, chicken, right? 10:40:12 but this is nonstandard behaviour 10:40:16 ah 10:40:16 yes, chicken 10:40:32 i built chicken on windows once, but i forgot how i did it 10:40:39 so im using racket atm 10:41:10 hmm i should build chicken for iPhone 10:41:15 that would be cool 10:41:23 someone on chicken users made a ready to use packaged chicken with installer for windows 10:42:15 O: 10:42:20 on chicken-users mailing list? 10:42:25 i missed it then :{ 10:42:44 yep a while ago 10:44:13 ohwow: http://www.kiatoa.com/cgi-bin/chicken-iup/index 10:44:21 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:49:16 ah it's for mingw 10:49:28 i remember there was a way to build `native' binary 10:49:30 but w/e 10:49:32 thanks for the link 10:49:48 C-Keen: depends on which standard, R5RS says modulo takes two integers, R6RS says mod takes two reals 10:50:05 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 10:50:27 hm 10:50:34 i thought racket was r6rs compatible 10:50:39 though modulo from (rnrs r5rs) only accepts integers 10:50:53 ohwow: Notice I said 'mod', not 'modulo' 10:51:12 > (mod 3.4 3) 10:51:13 reference to undefined identifier: mod 10:51:15 :> 10:51:21 s/:>/: presumably you have to use #lang r6rs 10:51:46 or require it 10:51:56 ijp: you are correct of course, ohwow did ask for modulo so I am confused ;) 10:52:46 in oreder to require r6rs i just hace to (require r6rs) 10:52:50 *order 10:55:32 s/hace/have/ 10:55:38 dammit i can't type today 10:55:52 happens :) 10:56:01 Hm, what's the difference between mod and modulo? 10:56:11 I read both sections in standarts but still don't get it 10:56:29 the type of arguments? 10:56:38 only that? 10:56:48 yes 10:56:51 it's cool then 10:57:25 You have to pay attention to the conventions used x = real, n = integer, z = complex, etc. 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I need some high expert factor. 11:49:50 eli: ##workingset is sometimes helpful, and never incredibly hostile 11:49:59 s/never/almost never/ 11:50:26 I think there is also a very quiet channel for autotools 11:51:13 there was 20 people in #autotools, but then I left ;) 11:52:39 bremner: what's ##workingset? 11:54:53 And #autotools looks sleepy. 11:59:31 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:31 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:37 -!- DerGuteMoritz [~syn@85.88.17.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:01:30 eli: ##workingset is "posix toolchain" 12:01:40 which is not strictly accurate of course 12:01:55 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-204.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:05 posix is like R5RS; nobody really uses that do they? ;) 12:03:28 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-181.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:05:42 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 12:14:34 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:47 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 12:15:58 ecraven: You'd make a normal counter and output the value at each step of the loop. I can make a more convenient combinator for that. 12:17:33 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 12:21:57 i'm slowly getting there, i'm trying to fool around with COLUMNAR and colored output, doesn't work quite as i want it to yet 12:24:44 can i somehow avoid the newline that WRAP-LINES or JUSTIFY output at the very end? together with COLUMNAR, this results in an extra newline 12:27:14 Hmmm... most of the time people will want the final newline. I suppose I could add an option to leave it off. 12:27:34 i'm trying to display multiple COLUMNAR one after another, but without a newline in between them 12:28:38 i'll play around a bit more, then ask again ;) 12:31:01 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:31:57 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 12:32:52 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 12:35:34 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:37:56 foof: this illustrates the problem: http://paste.lisp.org/display/121409 12:38:06 the second expression writes an extra newline 12:38:15 am i using FMT-COLORED incorrectly? 12:39:20 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:39:52 ecraven: dinner time, bbl 12:40:27 foof: enjoy dinner! 12:40:37 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 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`schematic', which is completely wrong. 14:47:14 putting double-quotes around it _might_ help. 14:47:24 It's annoying 14:48:12 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 14:50:01 I don't want Google to prescriptivistly linguisticate me! 14:50:19 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:53:18 -!- and`` [~hdsufhe3@ti0035a380-dhcp1195.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:36 yeah 14:56:17 It should, at most, search for "schematic", but give you a link near the top that says "did you mean 'schematik'" 14:57:21 ...No, that's what it does. It should be the other way around. 15:01:21 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 15:01:37 well, masses of program managers at Google apparently agree with your 15:01:38 you 15:01:48 I assume they think they're being helpful by correcting typos 15:02:46 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 15:06:37 I think I may have been unclear. Google automatically decided to search for `schematic' instead of `schematik', which is what frustrated me. What it should have done is to search for `schematik' as I requested, and offer a link `Did you mean ``schematic''?'. 15:08:44 rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 15:09:01 -!- xwl [~user@221.220.186.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:09:32 no, I understood. 15:10:12 Google apparently thinks more people will be grateful to have their typos automatically fixed, than annoyed to be misinterpreted. I doubt that could have it both ways, so it's understandable that they chose what they did. 15:10:18 geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-223.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #scheme 15:10:21 I'd probably make the same decision. 15:10:47 I hate you. 15:10:55 For every Riastradh who is annoyed at being second-guessed, there are probably 100 Joes who are grateful for having their typos automatically fixed. 15:11:07 you're a minority! Revel in it! 15:11:23 -!- rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:50 I agree with Riastradh. Just do the damn search. 15:13:04 *shrug* 15:13:34 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 15:13:44 should be a setting 15:14:23 I don't want a setting. I don't want Google to track anything about me. I want it to DTRT and DWIM by default! 15:14:31 of course. 15:15:15 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has joined #scheme 15:15:15 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 15:15:15 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:16:10 pdlogan [~patrick@c-76-27-203-101.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:17:12 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:35 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:18:58 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 15:19:13 well they'll track one way or the other, might as well make it useful somehow 15:19:48 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-178-185-68.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:29:25 *eli* seconds google's decision 15:29:32 As inconvenient as it may be. 15:29:59 The thing is that it's *usually* human input -- so second guessing is the right thing. 15:30:23 The semi-human Riastradh inputs are far more rare. 15:31:50 Riastradh: Actually, there's a very good reason for that feature, and specifically having the link back to the original term you queried. 15:32:32 I hate you all! 15:32:39 Hmmm... not sure how much I can say about it. 15:32:53 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:33:46 isn't there a way to set the default back to Riastradh's favorite mode if you are logged in? 15:33:59 I don't want to log in, C-Keen. 15:34:10 Riastradh: me neither 15:34:31 Damn, I'll have to double check what's public knowledge so I can explain tomorrow. 15:35:24 But clicking the "no I _really_ meant 'schematik'" gives different results than if we had never made the suggestion in the first place. 15:35:51 Why doesn't it give those results in the first place? How are they different? 15:36:44 That's what I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say :/ 15:37:13 *eli* guesses some common sense HCI stuff 15:37:29 actually no 15:37:55 Whatever it is, I doubt the secrecy. 15:38:06 Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 15:38:18 I've never seen a google employee mention it for something that was really a secret. 15:39:05 A search engine should not just do `HCI stuff', eli, and automatically correct spelling to match some highest-weighted majority-rules type of thing. It's also important that the search engine find obscure things too. 15:39:07 Anything related to core ranking algorithms is susceptible to SEO, so they ask those working on it to be especially careful. 15:39:42 foof: Somewhere around 2000 I managed to shock a friend who works there when I described the google search algorithm -- he said that he was sure that the whole thing is super secret... 15:39:56 A search engine that can't find obscure things is useless; a search engine that doesn't want to find obscure things is frustrating. 15:40:14 Riastradh: But that's exactly why they made the right decision: yo u *can* find the obscure things, but in most cases you get what you want -- for most definitions of "you". 15:40:33 I still hate you. 15:40:57 In other words, any context in which you search for "foo" and use Enlish is a context where it's fine to search for "foos" too. 15:41:08 eli: Both Google and the search algorithms currently in use are _very_ different from what they were in 2000. 15:41:21 Taking a language view -- it's like the distinction between byte string and string -- the latter is intended for strings that are displayed. 15:41:45 So if you had some built in query facility, you'd want an even more abstract type where "foo" and "foos" had a similar meaning. 15:41:58 You're raining on my whining, eli! 15:42:22 Riastradh: Apologies. Google should be put against the wall when the revolution comes! 15:42:30 Thanks, that's much better. 15:42:55 foof: Yeah yeah... These semi surprises about semi secret things are still the same... 15:43:29 And google is no different than any other evil corporation -- see how it ruined Riastradh's morning? 15:43:36 He probably even spilled his coffee. 15:43:39 He should sue. 15:46:45 Well, goodnight all. 15:47:15 -!- geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-223.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Quit: geoffhill] 15:47:21 good night foof 15:48:40 -!- Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:49:13 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 15:49:36 foof, also, can you please make all the garbage foldoc clones, and all the advertising mail archives such as nabble and osdir.com, go away? 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