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03:51:43 I mean, `ioc'. 03:51:52 Yoooooolki-palki! 03:52:13 *gnomon_* moves away from jcowan and Riastradh on the bench, there 03:52:25 Eek! I've grown a tail! 03:52:27 -!- gnomon_ is now known as gnomon 03:53:06 I wanna yolk! Yolk! YOLK! YOLK! 03:53:10 Oops, wrong part of the story. 03:54:16 Eat dead, hard-boiled eggs! 03:54:17 *jcowan* laughs 03:54:23 With bits of shell between my teeth! 03:55:40 with, you know, the yolks mashed up, with mayo and some tabasco 03:55:41 mmm 03:56:40 *jcowan* feeds his wife the rice'n'eggs and the blintz 03:57:25 Great googly-moogly, everyone has gone quite mad. 03:58:11 *foof* is perfectly sane 03:58:27 Narf! 03:59:48 Now I have to make the grilled-cheese sandwiches, and then wash the dishes. Blonk! 04:00:58 *jcowan* has been reading Crock on JavaScript functions 04:01:41 -!- zbigniew_ is now known as zbigniew 04:01:53 jcowan pasted "Y in JavaScript" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121166 04:02:39 why in javascript indeed 04:02:41 In Alabama the Tuscaloosa. 04:03:06 To show that JavaScript is a properly functional language. 04:03:17 foof: "Sutter noted that the features [...] have already been added [...]". I'd have hoped for a suppression of features from C++... :-( 04:04:10 -!- Fare [~Fare@206.83.64.178.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:07:13 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:07:40 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:07:47 No features will ever be removed from C++. It will grow and grow until it subsumes all other programming languages while still remaining backward compatible with C. 04:08:38 jcowan: did they include InteLib already? 04:08:56 or a reader? 04:08:58 I don't know any specifics, I was just speaking to the general issue. 04:13:26 -!- vilsonvieira [~vilson@187.39.187.245] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 04:13:28 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:13:37 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:26 Fare [~Fare@206.83.64.178.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #scheme 04:21:36 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 04:24:33 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:26:34 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:26:51 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 04:39:02 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40:58 What if the yolki-palki really is what it's all about? 04:42:57 -!- Fare [~Fare@206.83.64.178.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:44:50 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-180-185-4.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:53:04 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:54:51 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-63-208.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:55:05 _The_ yolki-palki? Which one would that be? 04:57:16 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-63-208.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 05:00:34 Does it matter? 05:00:49 (Of course Russian doesn't have articles, so the question doesn't arise.) 05:01:57 Oh... your sentence looked remarkably like English to me, nevermind. 05:03:48 He misspelt it; he meant to use Cyrillic, but got the Latin keys, which are right next to them. 05:04:12 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 05:04:13 Underneath them, actually. 05:04:19 That's why I use the TOP key. 05:04:49 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:03 skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has joined #scheme 05:13:50 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-180-185-4.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 05:14:08 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-180-185-4.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:19 -!- skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has left #scheme 05:17:49 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] 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The real-world programs that depend most critically on performance often need to output the same byte repeatedly. 11:09:34 tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 11:10:35 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:10:41 have scheme call dd 11:11:19 like this? tr '\0' '\377' < /dev/zero|dd count=$((24000*1024*2)) 11:11:23 -!- ahc [~Antti@1706.pc.puv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:11:37 it is not as fast as the ghc 11:11:57 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 11:12:01 you have the pipe there. First make a kernel device that outputs 0xFF 11:12:42 bremner: how to use a device to output 0xff? 11:13:02 dsmith_ [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 11:14:39 *bremner* needs markup for irc 11:15:16 sorry but i don't knowstand 11:15:52 I was making a joke. What I suggested would be even sillier than your benchmark idea. 11:16:36 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 11:16:49 bremner: :) 11:19:56 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19:56 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 11:20:40 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:20:51 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:20:57 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 11:21:16 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:16 -!- xale [~xale@2001:4b98:dc0:51:216:3eff:fef2:58dd] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:19 -!- futilius [~otheruser@2001:470:d:128:216:3eff:fe86:c70e] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:20 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:29 futilius 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does anyone have a good source for learning Scheme? 13:31:50 lolcow [~lolcow@196-215-63-208.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:31:51 topic 13:32:16 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 13:34:54 well, any recommendation to someone that knows imperative programming? (java, C, python) 13:34:59 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-63-208.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:35:23 all texts I've found on Scheme are so ridiculously wordy and presented in an undigestable way :< 13:35:29 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-16.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:46 -!- zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:57 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:36:02 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 13:36:06 Articate: regarding to books, some people like "The little schemer". There's also "The Scheme Programming Language", which is more descriptive. 13:37:15 Articate: I like http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.210/schemetutorial/schemetutorial.html but there are a couple of things that could be rephrased. 13:37:39 ok, now we're talking! 13:38:34 Articate: now to the most polemic topic: have you picked any implementation? :-) 13:38:43 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:39:23 yup :) R5RS 13:39:42 Articate: that's actually the specification. 13:39:45 oh 13:39:47 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 13:39:51 I see you're new here. :-) 13:39:55 yup! :> 13:39:57 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 13:40:17 It's okay, just don't ask what the best implementation to choose is! :-D 13:40:25 Articate: don't despair. Those things are indeed confusing. 13:40:44 if you want r5rs, most implementations should be ok 13:40:52 I don't get it :p 13:41:08 what's an implementation in contrast to specification? 13:41:24 a program vs a document explaining what the program should do 13:41:29 aha 13:41:36 DrRacket :) 13:41:41 R5RS just tells you what the language is like. Like the specification for C++. Implementations actually compile your program (like gcc, visual c++ compiler etc.) 13:41:47 The Gods upon high specify something, and then the priest-programmers implement it for us mortals to use 13:41:53 So there are a couple of specification versions and hundreds of implementations. :-) 13:42:05 sounds confusing enough :) 13:42:09 :-) 13:42:12 Well, I've chosen R5RS in DrRacket 13:42:18 so I suppose that's my implementation 13:42:23 Alright. 13:42:27 Yes, that's it. 13:42:43 It's a good choice. 13:43:18 Does the implementation make a big difference? I mean, if it is the same specification, shouldn't they all do the same? 13:43:25 Just make sure you are really using r5rs on racket, in case you want to stick to r5rs. 13:43:46 Articate: the specification is minimalist, so the implementation makes a HUGE difference. 13:43:49 aha 13:44:07 Specially for practical applications. 13:44:23 then I see :) 13:45:46 I dunno, the documents I've come across doesn't seem able to just sit down and say "here. this does this and it works like this" without elaborating about all kinds of stuff 13:46:14 it's not that I don't care about that stuff, I just find it hard to keep reading 13:46:18 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:46:18 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@adsl-75-60-31-253.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47:00 I'm the kind of guy that wants as short as possible text, so I can think through what it says, without the next 5 pages being the thought process of an imaginary learner 13:47:25 Articate: this is in contrast to Common Lisp, where the specification is "bigger" so the choice of implementation is less important (it's mostly an optimization/deployment detail better left to later stages of the project). 13:47:27 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 13:47:40 Articate: that said, r6rs and r7rs/big are bigger. 13:47:57 aha 13:48:43 r6rs is monolithic and controversial. r7rs is in progress and decomposes in a small core, and a bigger shell of "standard libraries". 13:49:31 hmm. Sounds more familiar to other languages 13:49:36 r7rs, that is 13:50:29 But it's not completed yet, (Real Soon Now), so I don't know if there are already implementations of r7rs. 13:50:59 You can consider r5rs + SRFIs functionnaly equivalent to r7rs, I'd guess. 13:52:28 Articate: assuming you know other languages, I'd suggest you to play with some simple toy programs in scheme, just to get used to it. After that you can explore more advanced features. 13:52:35 Now, I'm not sure I understand what you need as tutorial or reference. You could just browse the resources at http://www.schemers.org and see what you like. 13:53:55 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:54:17 Articate: maybe http://wiki.call-cc.org/chicken-for-programmers-of-other-languages can be useful if you know C, Python, Ruby or PHP. 13:54:45 (The C section fomatting is a bit ugly) 13:54:56 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 13:55:30 Beware that some things a chicken-specific (chicken is another scheme implementation). 13:55:46 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 13:55:53 s/ a /are/ 13:57:39 is there a difference between saying (define var 0) (define var 10) and (define var 0) (set! var 10)? 13:58:19 I mean, I see the difference, but they do end up with the same value - is the first var actually destroyed and a new one made with the first one? 14:00:07 pjb, r6rs is not notably more "monolithic" than the not-yet-existing r7rs seems to be planned to be 14:00:12 I can't really answer your question - I guess it's implementation-specific - but you're not supposed to redefine variables, it's naughty and unschemish. :-) 14:00:24 that's an answer I can get behind :) 14:00:42 but in theory, it might not make that much of a difference? seen how you reference variable names and not addresses, I suppose 14:01:04 Articate, yes -- the first one has unspecified behavior 14:01:16 Right, I think most implementations would treat them both the same 14:01:17 thanks :) 14:01:18 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:01:40 Drat, too bad samth said unspecified, not undefined. :-P 14:01:50 samth: yes, I guess everything's relative. RISC processors don't have less instructions than CISC either. 14:01:51 I wanted an excuse to make an implementation that would exhibit C-style UB. :-P 14:02:05 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 14:02:26 cky, c-style undefined behavior is perfectly legal in many cases in r5rs 14:02:43 samth: Indeed, and Chicken will gladly dish it to you with a high enough optimisation level. <3 14:03:29 e.g., with optimisation 4 or above, IIRC, calling car/cdr on non-pairs will give UB. 14:04:00 Calling functions with the wrong number of arguments, all the usual things that Scheme implementations usually like to check for. ;-) 14:04:41 Articate: you'd have to distinguish REPL use from file use. In a source file you should not redefine a variable. But at the REPL it will be acceptable. 14:05:59 But still not advisable? :) 14:06:55 It makes a lot of sense the difference between doing a redefine and set! - so I'll do it the way it should be done :) 14:07:46 It's a good habit to take, indeed. 14:08:45 Articate: although some implementations don't care much about it, `define' and `set!' are fundamentally different things: `define' is a definition. `set!' is an expression. There are situations when you cannot have a definition but you can have an expression. 14:08:55 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:09:31 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 14:16:07 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:17:35 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:27:18 -!- rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:32:07 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:32:58 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 14:33:29 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:24 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 14:53:04 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 14:54:23 -!- sloyd [sloyd@station457.vo3.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 15:03:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:06:43 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:11:38 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 15:13:10 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 15:17:13 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-141.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:30 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-224.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:22:00 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-224.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 15:24:44 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-224.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:33:36 rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 15:41:48 -!- ahc [~Antti@1706.pc.puv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46:27 slom [~sloma@port-87-234-239-162.static.qsc.de] has joined #scheme 15:46:40 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:53:07 Oabl_ [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 15:53:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:54:12 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@75.60.31.253] has joined #scheme 15:56:25 -!- Oabl [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:55 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:03 -!- Oabl_ [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:21 Oabl_ [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 15:58:42 -!- Oabl_ is now known as Oabl 15:58:53 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 16:07:21 djcb [~user@a88-114-89-247.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 16:09:37 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has left #scheme 16:10:22 ahc [~Antti@z241.ip6.netikka.fi] has joined #scheme 16:11:05 elly_ [~elly@april-fools/thewinningest/elly] has joined #scheme 16:11:08 -!- elly [~elly@april-fools/thewinningest/elly] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:11:50 cmatei_ [~cmatei@95.76.17.75] has joined #scheme 16:11:57 So 16:12:11 any good way to get rid of all duplicates in a list? as in (1 2 2 5 4 4) => (1 5) 16:13:28 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.17.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:14:35 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:14:47 I've understood that making lambda functions are the way to go with scheme 16:14:56 but the difference between these two function: http://paste.lisp.org/display/121181 16:14:57 ijp [~user@host86-163-249-7.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:15:18 they're none, right? Am I the only one finding that making a lambda there obscures the argument? 16:15:23 -!- rrm3 [~rrm3@rrm3.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:15:37 rrm3 [~rrm3@rrm3.org] has joined #scheme 16:16:01 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:29 -!- oivindbi [oivindbi@lynx.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:17:33 oivindbi [oivindbi@lynx.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 16:19:10 Articate: (define (foo) 'a) is equivalent to (define foo (lambda () 'a) 16:19:22 so the difference is none 16:19:49 -!- slom [~sloma@port-87-234-239-162.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:50 but it's still more schemey to have a lambda in this case? 16:20:00 again, I just find it obscures the argument 16:20:03 Articate: and your argument can also be seen from the other side the parenthesis may obscure the fact that it is a lambda that's being bound to the name 16:20:37 is there a point? 16:20:40 Articate: it is a matter of taste, I have seen both 16:21:04 TippenEin: Are the duplicates guaranteed to be adjacent to each other? 16:22:12 thanks, C-Keen 16:22:27 welcome 16:32:02 no, they will be randomly ordered 16:32:04 that's the problem 16:32:27 or... i could selection sort them quick and do what I think you were going to suggest 16:32:51 pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 16:33:01 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:11 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:11 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:12 -!- Zol [~Zolomon@li152-84.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:07 if I check if (equal? (cadr list) (car list)) then I only get pairs of 2 fltered out 16:34:24 -!- Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:50 -!- duncanm [~duncan@a-chinaman.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:35:08 duncanm [~duncan@a-chinaman.com] has joined #scheme 16:35:09 la la la 16:35:15 -!- tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:35:32 TippenEin: (mapcar (function car) (remove 1 (mapcar (lambda (item) (cons item (count item list))) (remove-duplicates list)) :test (function <) :key (function cdr))) ; with the right functions. 16:35:41 Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #scheme 16:35:52 So now, translate that in scheme... 16:36:58 myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 16:37:13 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 16:37:25 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:38:41 mapcar is not defined 16:39:01 unfornutaely I'm using r5rs for this project 16:39:55 also, i have no idea what that function does 16:40:04 tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 16:40:58 clklein_ [~clklein@spaghetti.cs.northwestern.edu] has joined #scheme 16:41:16 cl:mapcar is map. 16:41:26 (function x) can be replaced by x 16:41:44 and remove is drop from srfi-1 16:41:51 tippenein pasted "delete-duplicates" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121182 16:41:58 or just cdr 16:42:21 this is the function I tried to write 16:42:22 Yes, but it may have different parameters. 16:42:53 kms_ [~kms@2001:468:1910:1001:225:ff:fe49:f291] has joined #scheme 16:43:02 You also have the question of complexity. You may want to use a hash-table in there, but there's none in r5rs either, you will have to use a library. 16:43:19 this will be taking in simple lists at the moment 16:44:41 TippenEin: anyways, the point is to give you the idea of the processing: remove the duplicates so (1 2 2 5 4 4) --> (1 2 5 4) for each elements in this list, count them in the original list, so you get ((1 . 1) (2 . 2) (5 . 1) (4 . 2)) ; in this list, remove all those whose cdr is greater than 1, so y ou get ((1 . 1) (5 . 1)) and finally keep only the cars. 16:46:42 I wanted to: if duplicate, remove all instances of item 16:47:06 so: (1 4 3 3 7 5 7) => (1 4 5) 16:48:05 TippenEin: and in what point does my algorithm that I gave you twice, once in CL and once in English, doesn't do what you want? 16:48:11 You're being hard to help... 16:49:32 I see it now, sorry. was confused about your original scheme code 16:49:36 thanks 16:50:12 certainty [~david@matrix.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 16:50:19 -!- certaint1 [~david@matrix.d-coded.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:51:18 pjb++ 16:51:41 is there some prettier way to do the following? (if (> var1 var2) (- var1 var2) (- var2 var1))? 16:51:45 Or should I say, (incf pjb). :-P 16:52:10 Articate: (abs (- var1 var2)) 16:52:16 thanks :) 16:54:06 Always my pleasure. :-) 16:55:08 rageous1 [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 16:55:08 -!- rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:16 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57:21 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 16:59:39 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #scheme 17:01:28 an if always has to return something, right? 17:01:45 Every expression returns something, even if it's an unspecified value. 17:02:06 can you have a single test in cond? 17:02:10 Yes. 17:02:17 then that's what I'll use :> 17:02:19 And if it falls off, an unspecified value is returned. 17:02:31 right, there's the else clause there, too 17:02:33 hmm 17:02:47 You can use a one-branched if in pretty much all Scheme implementations except Racket. 17:02:57 But you can use cond without an else if you don't want to. 17:03:07 rudybot: (cond) 17:03:08 cky: your racket sandbox is ready 17:03:08 cky: Done. 17:03:19 rudybot: (eq? (cond) (void)) 17:03:20 cky: ; Value: #t 17:03:37 Articate: (void) is a function in some Scheme implementations to return an unspecified value. 17:03:41 Articate: It's not portable, though. 17:04:13 well, I have to check if there's a winner at a point in my code. I suppose the else-clause would be just continuing the game 17:04:26 Right. 17:05:05 I'm just so used to being able to say things like if (someone-won) { do stuff; } 17:09:19 mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 17:11:07 Doesn't racket allow one-branch ifs? 17:11:16 mario-goulart: No. They want you to use when. 17:11:23 ! 17:11:56 They have a legitimate reason for that. 17:12:07 there's a when? 17:12:24 Articate: Some implementations have it, but it's not standard. 17:12:37 I don't like the name WHEN, but using a different name more clearly expresses a different intent: one-armed IF is only for commands, and yields a value only by accident for the sake of proper tail recursion; two-armed IF is for expressions. 17:13:28 Riastradh: What name would you propose? if* ? 17:13:34 Doesn't racet have a r5rs compatibility mode or something? 17:13:49 yes 17:13:56 mario-goulart: Yes, and when activated, then one-branched ifs work. 17:14:00 mario-goulart, yes. 17:14:00 ijp, dunno. Haven't thought of a better suggestion. 17:14:04 Ah, ok. 17:14:19 (I'd rather use the name WHEN for some kind of event trigger: `When this event happens, take this action.') 17:14:46 Yes, it WHEN does have that kind of feel to it 17:14:50 s/it// 17:15:12 that's a freenode thing, isn't it? the whole s/it/its thing? 17:16:05 no 17:16:09 Articate: it comes from sed 17:16:14 s/freenode/irc/ 17:16:32 I rarely see it outside of freenode 17:16:33 sed? 17:16:47 googleitplz 17:17:01 Yeah, Stream EDitor 17:17:02 aha 17:21:24 sed, grep, awk, the mighty trinity 17:22:05 *bremner* is a unitarian. 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an image and embosses it, by using make-image and image-ref.. but i have no idea where to begin. can anyone give me a little hint? 21:34:16 I doubt it; that doesn't sound like standard Scheme. :-P 21:34:23 well i doubt it is an image if you have to emboss it! 21:34:25 lol 21:34:44 I'm learning petite chez scheme :P 21:34:45 ask schmidt! 21:34:52 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:35:23 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-89-247.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:35:58 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has joined #scheme 21:37:45 what is that? 21:38:34 Well, pytho, usually one might begin by asking one's instructor. 21:38:38 Right, but I doubt it's standard Petite Chez Scheme either, I suspect it's using some framework created for your course. 21:39:39 Riastradh: I would but his office hours were cancelled for the day. 21:39:59 yes we are using a specific .ss 21:40:10 Well, you could ask him tomorrow, or ask a TA. 21:40:56 yes I'm going to. I was just wondering if anyone online had an idea 21:41:21 You need to be much more specific in order for someone not familiar with your course to have any idea how to help. 21:42:12 I gave all the information I was given. lol 21:42:44 Hmm... Somehow I suspect you were given a trifle more information than that. 21:42:46 what we have in our framework is draw-image and make-image which are used in the test cases 21:53:47 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:22 -!- pytho [9c38a741@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.56.167.65] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:57:13 -!- dzhus89 [~sphinx@95-27-84-149.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:48 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 22:05:08 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-144-19.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:06:47 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-144-19.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:06:54 could someone explain why (cons (list 1 2) (list 3 4)) turns out ((1 2) 3 4)? 22:08:40 Draw a box and pointer diagram. :-) 22:09:10 Articate: What do you think it should be? '(1 2 3 4) ? 22:09:26 '((1 2) (3 4))? 22:10:27 well list 3 4 is just (3 4), and it is appended to the other list which is (1 2), it becomes ((1 2) . (3 4) . nil) not ? 22:11:17 Articate: To get that behaviour you would need to use LIST where you use CONS 22:11:21 but 3 4 is already a list so in the last step it's unnecessary to put an extra braces around 3 4 cause the return value will be a list already ? 22:11:52 ok, I'll draw a box and pointer diagram - since it's the same as (cons (cons 1 2) (cons 3 4)) 22:12:12 (also, what are those dots that appear, like (cons 1 2) => (1 . 2)? 22:12:32 Articate, done that for you: http://paste.lisp.org/display/121193 22:12:35 that dot is a cons 22:12:56 the whole thing is called a dotted pair 22:13:03 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:29 DT``: Cool, got some tool handy for the unicode box drawings? 22:13:43 it is a proper list when the cdr contains a nil, else not 22:14:20 antoszka, no, I just had those box saved somewhere, and changed `car's. 22:14:31 DT``: Right :) 22:16:55 kms_ [~kms@x-134-84-73-180.uofm-secure.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #scheme 22:17:08 antoszka: s9 has a procedure for drawing box diagrams, but their pretty ugly 22:17:09 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 22:17:24 s/their/they're/ 22:17:38 ijp: Touretzky's Gentle Introduction had some code, too AFAIR. 22:18:05 Guess that could be translated into a nice Unicode variant. 22:18:53 i have that dossiere'd 22:18:57 lol 22:19:09 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:19:16 touretzky is in my shelf page by page 22:19:20 :) 22:20:10 s9 version : http://paste.lisp.org/display/121193#1 22:20:10 my first real lisp book i read actually 22:20:36 before that i only had some fragments of clos stuff with math's around 22:21:07 ijp: Not that bad, actually :) 22:22:00 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 22:22:13 rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #scheme 22:22:50 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:24:34 chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #scheme 22:24:51 (hello) 22:26:01 chemuduguntar: Error: too few arguments - received 0 but expected n. 22:26:07 antoszka: I should point out that it won't work for cyclic lists 22:26:22 anyone see this sussman talk, btw? 22:27:14 around 38:00 it gets pretty cool, actually; he begins to talk about "bad theories of mental activity," i.e. people that subscribe to a guru-like "clearing of the mind" when solving a problem (as opposed to problem decomposition). 22:27:19 klutometis: I might have, does he plug SICM at the end? 22:27:36 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:13 ijp: indeed; right around the time he starts talking about lagrange, i believe. 22:37:36 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:38:13 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:31 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-177-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:38:31 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-177-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:38:31 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 22:45:36 -!- dsmith_ is now known as dsmith 22:52:12 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 22:57:49 -!- rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:59:40 -!- githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:07 -!- kms_ [~kms@x-134-84-73-180.uofm-secure.wireless.umn.edu] has quit [Quit: kms_] 23:04:19 zenspider [~user@75.146.57.33] has joined #scheme 23:04:57 anyone using this? I'd love to get my hands on some data. http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/schematics/si.plt/1/0/doc.txt 23:10:46 -!- ahc [~Antti@z241.ip6.netikka.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:12:31 -!- taperr [~sjdo@bl8-33-138.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #scheme 23:13:19 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-31-95.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #scheme 23:20:00 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:20:31 aidalgol [~user@132.181.132.136] has joined #scheme 23:20:33 -!- TippenEin [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:32 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 23:25:49 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 23:26:37 schematics... 23:26:40 *askhader* snickers 23:30:08 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:22 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 23:35:47 TippenEin [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:42:54 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:15 -!- aidalgol [~user@132.181.132.136] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:54:12 chris-kun [~chris-kun@184-194-180-32.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #scheme 23:54:17 -!- chris-kun [~chris-kun@184-194-180-32.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:54:17 chris-kun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 23:55:11 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:41 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 23:58:46 mwolfe [~michael@cpe-67-49-72-40.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:59:19 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #scheme