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Two people in #stackoverflow also got places (3rd and 4th). 03:34:44 inimino [~inimino@boshi.inimino.org] has joined #scheme 03:35:55 didn't fool me for a second! 03:36:28 Hehehehe. 03:37:27 cky: thanks :P 03:38:07 I am working with TinyScheme (gimp plugin) and finding I can't treat strings as lists, so no (car 'foo) for me 03:38:15 what am I missing? 03:38:22 m1ndvirus []@unaffiliated/mindvirus] has joined #scheme 03:38:22 kandinski: You never can use (car 'foo). 03:38:29 kandinski: No matter which Scheme implementation you use. 03:38:31 so it appears 03:38:32 yeah 03:38:54 well, I am trying to write a (startswith? prefix word) function 03:38:56 rudybot: (car (string->list "foo")) 03:38:57 cky: your racket sandbox is ready 03:38:57 cky: ; Value: #\f 03:39:05 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 03:39:09 Is a typical Racket program slower than C? 03:39:18 cky: thanks 03:39:23 kandinski: Just write a loop on the string indices, and use string-ref to access each character. 03:39:42 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 03:39:44 m1ndvirus: That depends on what you're doing, as usual. 03:39:53 cky: I was going to consume a list, you know 03:39:55 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:39:55 m1ndvirus: Some things C does well, others Scheme does better. 03:40:14 (if (not (null? prefix)) etc) 03:40:22 cky, could you give some examples, as well as a typical expected speed factor compared to C? 03:40:34 m1ndvirus: No. 03:40:44 (while (not (null? prefix)) etc) rather 03:40:45 m1ndvirus: You get to do the performance profiling work yourself. I ain't doing that for you. :-P 03:41:11 cky, I'm just interested, is it closer to C, PHP, Python, C#, Java, or what? 03:41:11 m1ndvirus: (I do performance profiling at work. I get paid to do this stuff. No profiling for free! :-P) 03:41:14 ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 03:42:07 m1ndvirus: My suspicion is that given both Racket and the JVM have a JIT compiler, their performance profiles would be more similar than the other languages you've mentioned. 03:42:17 Perfect! 03:42:19 m1ndvirus: However, you never know until you do a real profile. 03:43:16 kandinski: I'd implement it differently. Let me attempt one. 03:47:09 holy shit: did you guys see section 5.1.2 of the C++0x draft? 03:47:35 they're introducing lambdas whose closures allow for capture-by-copy and capture-by-reference; configurably, of course. 03:47:55 what a mess. 03:48:42 -!- Obfuscate` is now known as Obfuscate 03:49:30 klutometis, lambda is spelled [] 03:49:52 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 03:50:04 cky pasted "For kandinski" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121135 03:50:21 kandinski: ^^--- that's my implementation of the function you're talking about. 03:50:31 It doesn't require turning the strings into lists. 03:50:43 people still use C++? 03:51:22 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@adsl-75-60-31-253.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:51:47 dsmith: which, ironically, might be closer to the greek lambda than "lambda". 03:52:04 What are the pros and cons of restarts? 03:52:25 offby1: Sure, of course. 03:52:36 m1ndvirus: I think Riastradh would be able to answer that 03:53:16 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has quit [Quit: class] 03:53:47 offby1: exactly; it would be bizarre for me to think of C++ as a pseudo-functional language, though. 03:53:50 kandinski: I can't think of a more straightforward way to write that function, BTW. 03:53:54 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:54:15 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:54:15 I seem to recall that the "boost" library has something like lambda in it. 03:54:22 offby1: Yep. 03:54:23 Created via templates, presumably 03:54:26 Yep. 03:54:34 *offby1* holds head in hands 03:54:58 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:55:19 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:55:55 -!- lithpr [~user@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:41 http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_46_0/doc/html/lambda.html 03:57:40 for_each(a.begin(), a.end(), std::cout << _1 << ' '); 03:58:10 where _n gets replaced, apparently. 03:58:15 That's actually pretty elegant for C++. The _1 is like <> in SRFI 26. 03:58:18 cky, thanks 03:58:26 I was doing it the very recursive lispy way 03:58:49 not as straightforward, but more-- homework-y, perhaps 03:58:52 kandinski: My approach is "recursive" too (if you count tail recursion as recursive), but just not using car/cdr. 03:59:06 kandinski: Life's too short to do everything the "homeworky" way. :-P 03:59:07 btw, this is not homework, I am just trying to automate gimp 03:59:16 kandinski: I aim to write code that is easy to understand and works. 03:59:52 cky, yeah, I appreciate it 03:59:56 :-) 04:00:02 cky: I was just explaining my approach 04:00:12 (having read the first 3 chapters of SICP) 04:00:15 I totally understand. :-) 04:00:33 still, I hope to finish mine, just to make it work 04:01:01 Sure thing. :-) 04:01:06 cky: that occurred to me, too; it's almost like currying. reminds me also of the #n in tex. 04:01:45 klutometis: I haven't played with TeX enough to know #n, but I believe you. :-) 04:02:00 xwl [~user@222.130.117.81] has joined #scheme 04:18:30 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 04:18:30 04:18:31 -!- names: ccl-logbot borism arbscht snarkyboojum aking alexgordon simontwo_ specbot _p4bl0 docgnome mmc mornfall minion rmrfchik lisppaste alaricsp ineiros nome` cpach certaint1 ecraven Zol duncanm tizoc ve rotty zilt klutometis clog jproctor xale rudybot ozzloy mario-goulart eli tonyg minsa askhader Nshag lechon ada2358 cataska kanru ohwow ToxicFrog chrissbx qebab myu2 peddie Hal9k felipe peterhil YokYok joast sigue githogori Modius preflex incandenza araujo 04:18:31 -!- names: pchrist Qauzzix rien kephas Euthydemus nteon bremner tessier DT`` djcb cmatei Jafet Nisstyre Leonidas Pepe_ christopher dsmith crypto_ ray poucet martin_hex Khisanth thoolihan zbigniew_ jonrafkind yosafbridge em madhat dRbiG fds_ Obfuscate rrm3 sjamaan stepnem C-Keen qsun jeff_ oivindbi muks jimrees_ acarrico twem2 Caleb-- snorble elly vilsonvieira offby1 aoh_ gnomon_ LN^^ homie bzzbzz emporas_ danking pantsd foof vk0 jeapostrophe Kovensky timchen1` 04:18:31 -!- names: DerGuteMoritz Lemonator kilimanjaro shardz pothos eno kandinski jrtayloriv incubot cky sloyd inimino m1ndvirus Riastradh dfeuer tauntaun ski blueadept saiko-chriskun evhan xwl MichaelRaskin leppie amoe_ pygospa elf_ tupi_ TippenEin chemuduguntar aspect Adrinael futilius antoszka 04:18:59 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 04:19:25 kandinski: So, here's the deal. eqv? handles numbers, characters, etc. too, whereas eq? is a straight-up pointer comparison. 04:19:40 oh, so eq? is "is" 04:19:43 kandinski: Bignums usually aren't interned, which is why eq? returns false for two instances of (equal) bignums. 04:19:54 kandinski: I don't think Python interns bignums, does it? 04:20:03 don't know about bignums 04:20:11 kandinski: If not, then if "is" is like eq?, then "3000000000000000000000000 is 3000000000000000000000000" should return false. 04:20:19 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-180-185-4.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 04:20:20 but I know that "==" makes the empty list and zero and None be equivalent 04:20:32 despite them being different objects 04:20:42 Well, this never happens in Scheme, even with equal?. 04:20:50 so if you want to check that something is None, you use "is" 04:20:52 rudybot: (equal? '() 0) 04:20:53 cky: ; Value: #f 04:21:06 rudybot: (equal? #f '()) 04:21:06 cky: ; Value: #f 04:21:10 otherwise anything that evaluates to False will be "== None" 04:21:14 different moddels 04:21:16 models 04:21:25 kandinski: (equal? '(1 2 3) '(1 2 3)) 04:21:29 Oops. 04:21:36 rudybot: (equal? '(1 2 3) '(1 2 3)) 04:21:36 cky: ; Value: #t 04:21:40 I see 04:21:41 rudybot: (eqv? '(1 2 3) '(1 2 3)) 04:21:42 cky: ; Value: #f 04:21:57 oh 04:22:12 kandinski: Really, I think Python "is" is more like eqv? than eq?. 04:22:41 cky: I need to study eqv? and eq? more, clearly. Thanks. 04:22:58 *nods* 04:24:14 eq? is basically pointer comparison, right? 04:25:00 are all functions closures in scheme? 04:25:13 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:26:34 according to wikipedia, a closure is a first class function with free variables that are bound to a lexical environment 04:27:30 yeah, I guess. 04:27:32 yes, they are. 04:27:39 (so if all functions have a pointer to the frame in which they were created in). 04:27:44 phew! 04:27:46 rudybot: (define (x) (+ 1 2)) <-- + is free, so x is a closure 04:27:47 *offby1: I'm trying to recall another reference for closure flattening.... 04:27:59 rudybot: c'mon now, pay attention 04:28:00 *offby1: Also, c'mon, that dude from Tokio Hotel... 04:28:05 rudybot: dude!! 04:28:06 *offby1: thanks dude, for me thats still not working...i have no idea why...it *still* creates those temp files for unsaved buffers 04:28:20 rudybot: (define (x) (+ 1 2)) 04:28:21 *offby1: your racket sandbox is ready 04:28:21 *offby1: Done. 04:28:24 rudybot: (x) 04:28:25 *offby1: ; Value: 3 04:28:27 *whew* 04:29:45 dodget a bullet there 04:29:59 dad gum it 04:30:00 with your nick, I was fearing Value: 4 04:30:04 :) 04:33:52 DT``: Yes, eq? is pointer comparison. 04:35:35 rudybot: (define (x +) (+ 1 2)) 04:35:36 cky: Done. 04:35:42 rudybot: (x +) 04:35:42 cky: ; Value: 3 04:35:44 rudybot: (x *) 04:35:45 cky: ; Value: 2 04:35:45 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-180-185-4.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:35:52 _pw_ [7cc8353a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.200.53.58] has joined #scheme 04:35:52 offby1: Lookie, not a closure any more. :-P 04:36:01 yeah yeah 04:36:20 that's how I make functions testable -- pass all their dependencies as arguments. Gets pretty tedious. 04:36:30 Yep. 04:36:50 lol @ ( x +) 04:36:57 mind bending :) 04:37:20 _pw_ pasted "call/cc demo" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121136 04:37:45 incidentally i'm trying to understand call/cc 04:38:13 <_pw_> hi 04:38:30 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/86 <- first guy breaks it dowwwwn! 04:38:31 chemuduguntar: I understand it conceptually, but I haven't used it enough to say I _know_ it. 04:39:01 all I know is that racket has a pretty good imitation of Python's generators. 04:40:08 cky: thats better than me, i am only looking at them now 04:40:09 <_pw_> (set! return ;; fixed <...>) , when remove this set!, it still works, why? 04:40:59 rudybot: (require racket/generator) 04:41:00 *offby1: Done. 04:41:14 rudybot: (define g (generator () (yield 1) (yield 2))) 04:41:15 *offby1: Done. 04:41:17 rudybot: (g) 04:41:17 *offby1: ; Value: 1 04:41:18 rudybot: (g) 04:41:19 *offby1: ; Value: 2 04:41:20 rudybot: (g) 04:41:21 *offby1: Done. 04:41:44 offby1: Does the third call return an "unspecific value"? 04:41:56 rudybot: (require racket/generator) 04:41:57 cky: Done. 04:42:05 what version of scheme does rudybot run btw? 04:42:11 (oops , racket?) 04:42:16 rudybot: (eq? (void) ((generator ()))) 04:42:16 cky: I think it returns what (void) returns -- no values 04:42:16 cky: error: generator: must have a form of (generator () body ...) 04:42:27 rudybot: (eq?(void) (g)) 04:42:28 *offby1: error: context expected 1 value, received 0 values 04:42:35 offby1: Ah, zero values. 04:42:54 chemuduguntar, 5.1 04:43:03 (void) returns an unspecific value (but is 1 value); (values) returns 0 values. :-P 04:43:24 -!- _pw_ [7cc8353a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.200.53.58] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:43:37 yep 04:43:48 rudybot: (write (void)) 04:43:49 *offby1: ; stdout: "#" 04:43:51 rudybot: (write (g)) 04:43:52 *offby1: error: context expected 1 value, received 0 values 04:44:46 A generator that has been done returns its last value forever. 04:45:36 eli: And the last value is (values)? 04:45:57 If that's what you make it return. 04:46:07 rudybot: (require racket/generator) 04:46:07 eli: your sandbox is ready 04:46:08 eli: Done. 04:46:19 rudybot: (define g (generator () 1 2 3)) 04:46:20 eli: Done. 04:46:23 rudybot: (g) 04:46:23 eli: ; Value: 3 04:46:24 rudybot: (g) 04:46:25 eli: ; Value: 3 04:46:25 rudybot: (g) 04:46:26 eli: ; Value: 3 04:46:41 c'mon, once more! 04:46:58 rudybot: (generator-state g) 04:46:58 eli: ; Value: done 04:47:18 eli: Okay, so what's offby1's example doing, then? 04:47:24 calling "yield" 04:47:59 Racket's generators are similar to python's with some important differences. 04:48:33 One difference is that since racket has multiple values, then the same holds for both sending values to a generator and receiving values from it. 04:48:41 For example of the first: 04:49:02 rudybot: (define g (generator () (define-values (x y) (yield 1)) (list x y))) 04:49:02 eli: Done. 04:49:08 rudybot: (g) 04:49:09 eli: ; Value: 1 04:49:30 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:49:31 That was the initial call -- which is specified to take no values (since the generator has no inputs). 04:49:45 And now it's yielding and waiting for two values, so: 04:49:46 -!- TippenEin [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:49 rudybot: (g 1 2) 04:49:49 eli: ; Value: (1 2) 04:49:58 And it returns that list as a result. 04:50:06 Oh!!! 04:50:08 An example of the second is simpler: 04:50:13 And that's why (g) returns (values). 04:50:18 (In offby1's example.) 04:50:20 rudybot: (define g (generator () (yield 1 2 3))) 04:50:20 eli: Done. 04:50:24 so yield can return a value to the generator. 04:50:24 rudybot: (g) 04:50:24 eli: ; Value: 1 04:50:25 eli: ; Value#2: 2 04:50:26 eli: ; Value#3: 3 04:50:28 whereas (g 1 2 3) would return (values 1 2 3). 04:50:38 -!- m1ndvirus []@unaffiliated/mindvirus] has left #scheme 04:50:49 evhan [~evhan@dyn-195-27.vpn.wisc.edu] has joined #scheme 04:51:00 *eli* wonders if cky often finishes offby1's sentences so quickly 04:51:37 Hahahaha. 04:51:55 Yes, invoking a generator passes control to it, and any arguments passed to it are multiple-values that its `yield' call returns. 04:52:19 *nods* 04:52:27 So (g 1 2 3) makes the `yield' in body of the generator return (values 1 2 3) 04:52:56 Another difference is that we have a more organized way to start a generator. 04:53:24 In Python, it's some awkward thing where a generator is a function that takes arguments and returns a generator object. 04:53:50 But in our case, a (generator (x ...) body ...) is similar to a (lambda (x ...) body ...). 04:54:00 Actually probably not in rudybot's version. 04:54:13 rudybot: (define g (generator (x y z) (list x y z))) 04:54:14 eli: error: generator: must have a form of (generator () body ...) 04:54:36 Yeah, it was required to always be () for a while, since it was a backward incompatible change. 04:54:54 In the nightly builds that would have made a generator that expects three values initially. 04:56:03 Anyway, one more difference is that `yield' in python has a syntactic role -- generators have no special syntax, it's the actual occurrence of `yield' in the body that makes the function definition actually be a generator. 04:56:32 And a result of that is that you can't write helper functions that use `yield'. 04:56:40 > ( (x) (yield 2)) 04:56:40 # 04:56:57 what does this do? 04:57:11 OTOH, our `yield' works on whatever current generator is in effect (dynamically), so it can be used anywhere. 04:57:34 DT``: That would be a function that can be used by a generator. 04:57:47 rudybot: (define g (generator () (foo 1))) 04:57:48 eli: Done. 04:57:59 rudybot: (define (foo x) (yield (* x 10))) 04:58:00 eli: Done. 04:58:04 rudybot: (g) 04:58:05 eli: ; Value: 10 04:58:42 oh. 04:58:45 interesting. 04:59:35 We played for a while with the python-like thing, where `yield' was syntactically valid only inside a generator, but dropped it since it's less flexible, and since the speed improvement (avoiding a parameter) is negligible. 05:00:45 was this in python 3 or 2? 05:00:55 eli, how does yield know whether it gets called inside a generator? 05:01:03 -!- LN^^ is now known as LN^off 05:02:08 chemuduguntar: I have no idea; probably 2. 05:02:16 DT``: It uses a parameter. 05:03:57 -!- tupi_ [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:11:43 lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #scheme 05:15:44 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 05:21:28 -!- xwl [~user@222.130.117.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:40:26 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 05:40:43 eli: What's the easiest way to define a new scribble operator similar to @schemeblock except it doesn't highlight as Scheme code (i.e. I just want to wrap with 
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It just gives an error about expecting text, got an element. 09:04:16 How are you using it? 09:04:41 f8l [~f8l@87-205-71-245.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 09:04:48 sigue_ [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 09:04:56 poucet_ [~chris@li23-146.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 09:08:01 -!- stis [~AndChat@host-78-79-200-118.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:09:14 #lang scribble/manual 09:09:15 @(define-syntax-rule (command . x) (verbatim . x)) 09:09:16 @command{make @var{SEXP_USE_BOEHM}=1} 09:09:32 contract violation: expected , given: (cached-element ...) 09:11:19 -!- sigue_ [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:12:28 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:28 -!- thoolihan [~Tim@99-157-225-37.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:28 -!- poucet [~chris@li23-146.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 09:12:28 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 09:13:19 thoolihan [~Tim@99-157-225-37.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 09:13:23 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 09:13:23 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 09:13:43 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:14:16 Hmmm... for that matter just using verbatim gives the same error. 09:17:31 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 09:18:59 -!- leo2007 [~leo@221.219.113.27] has quit [Quit: leaves cafe] 09:22:06 foof: Yeah, its contract specifes strings, and its implementation uses that. You'll need something else. 09:23:00 Maybe `tabular'. 09:23:28 -!- klutomet1s [klutometis@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Changing host] 09:23:28 klutomet1s [klutometis@pdpc/supporter/professional/klutometis] has joined #scheme 09:23:30 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:23:36 Will tabular give pre-formatted text? 09:23:48 -!- klutomet1s is now known as klutometis 09:24:48 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 09:25:56 foof: It will give you control over lines, and in it you should use the code fonts. 09:28:09 -!- fds_ is now known as fds 09:30:27 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:31:40 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 09:33:06 Oh... you're suggesting computing the indents myself, using verbatim-spaced cells for leading indentation, and 'cont cells for lesser indented lines? 09:33:39 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 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10:29:41 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 10:30:10 http://www.lisperati.com/logo.html ; clojure is even stranger than this CL alien. 10:30:42 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:58 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 10:31:06 pjb ,want to work with scheme on arm-linux 10:31:16 Sounds a good thing. 10:34:10 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 10:34:35 -!- inimino [~inimino@boshi.inimino.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:36:25 inimino [~inimino@boshi.inimino.org] has joined #scheme 10:39:15 any source that i can cross compile without problem? 10:39:37 http://armpit.sourceforge.net/ 10:39:51 but this is for OS less gadgets 10:46:16 (apply + (list... is only in rsr5? 10:52:14 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:42 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 11:02:07 araujo 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You'll have to search and evaluate them yourself. 12:19:32 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 12:24:15 f8l [~f8l@87-205-71-245.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 12:33:13 rotty_web [8dc96dc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.201.109.192] has joined #scheme 12:33:59 -!- Harrold [~quassel@70.50.33.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:20 Harrold [~quassel@70.50.33.166] has joined #scheme 12:34:31 nataraj: i once had Chibi running on ARM on top of OKL4. I think the tweaks I made (stricter alignment) have been integrated. 12:35:33 rotty_web: they have 12:40:24 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:49 -!- stis [~AndChat@host-78-79-224-97.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:41:14 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:59 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-71-170-15-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:47:42 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:51:16 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 12:53:41 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 12:58:39 Chibi? 12:58:53 It's a Scheme implementation 12:59:07 (Written by foof, I believe.) 13:01:43 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:02:50 Euthydemus 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19:09:38 bSON [~denis@dslb-188-103-164-127.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 19:09:38 hi 19:09:38 what is the easiest way to combine two atoms to a pair? 19:11:17 nuclrear fusion 19:11:24 -r 19:11:55 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:30 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has left #scheme 19:13:55 martin_hex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:14:00 -!- martin_hex is now known as martinhex 19:14:12 cons ? 19:14:43 homie: lol 19:15:38 ijp: how? 19:16:16 qed. someone lolled! 19:16:17 i thought the cdr must be a list 19:16:22 nope (cons 1 2) => (1 . 2) 19:20:32 ah i see, thanks ijp 19:20:55 jesusito [~user@75.pool85-49-46.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 19:21:02 rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #scheme 19:21:17 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-16.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:23:55 ecraven, I gave 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The branch `edwin-colour' is the one you want to look at. 19:23:56 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:24:00 -!- madhat [~madhat@c-174-58-228-146.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #scheme 19:25:33 -!- jesusito [~user@75.pool85-49-46.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Client Quit] 19:28:47 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 19:30:03 -!- stis [~AndChat@host-95-197-154-140.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:30:10 -!- rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:34:47 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 19:39:41 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:39:44 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 19:39:46 bSON: That's the difference between a proper list and any cons structure. 19:47:12 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-180-185-4.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:49:31 femtooo 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