00:07:37 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 00:09:24 what is the current support for btrfs? as i have not installed gentoo yet, should i wait until the level of support is more or is it comparable in difficulty to installing zfs on freebsd a year ago? 00:10:45 you think #scheme is the best place to ask such a question..? 00:13:49 dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-107-242.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:13:50 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-107-242.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:14:08 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:16:13 dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-107-242.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:16:42 oops 00:16:47 wrong place 00:16:50 sorry 00:17:06 was supposed to be gentoo 00:17:14 *#gentoo 00:18:13 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-144-19.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:20:12 ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-71-170-15-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:30:04 tauntaun [~Crumpet@64.134.69.191] has joined #scheme 00:31:38 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:38:10 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:41:45 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@nat-sonicnet.noisebridge.net] has joined #scheme 00:41:53 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-76-227.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:42:01 -!- salinon [~quassel@c-68-37-188-179.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:43:55 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:51:19 hello__ [~quassel@c-68-37-188-179.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:55:33 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 00:55:37 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 00:56:11 DrDuck [~duck@216.186.151.63] has joined #scheme 01:15:00 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfdeac.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:15:12 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfd0a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 01:26:52 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:19 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 01:28:09 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:34 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@64.134.69.191] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:36:48 -!- ijp [~user@host109-154-213-71.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:50:22 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:52:03 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 01:56:41 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:09 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 02:03:01 vilsonvieira [~vilson@187.59.82.186] has joined #scheme 02:29:26 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:30:16 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:41:39 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:44:17 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@nat/cisco/x-ojaamtsghthqnyhb] has joined #scheme 02:44:24 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@nat/cisco/x-ojaamtsghthqnyhb] has quit [Changing host] 02:44:24 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has joined #scheme 02:46:45 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:47:09 offby1, I tried to `git stash save --patch' and then `git stash pop', and now Git refuses to pop, claiming `Cannot apply to a dirty working tree, please stage your changes'. What's the point of `git stash save --patch' if it doesn't work? 02:49:05 dunno what "save --patch" does; never used it :-| 02:49:13 offby1: It allows you to stash part of your changes. 02:49:26 Riastradh: You need to stash the rest of your changes (in a different stash) before you can pop the one you want. 02:49:49 You can use "git stash pop stash@{1}" to pop the second-most-recent stash. 02:49:57 The manual seemed to indicate that it would do something useful, so I thought I'd try it, but evidently it leaves Git in a despondent state in which `git stash pop' doesn't work. I can push and pop new stashes, but not this one. 02:50:48 http://googlejapan.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-post_31.html 02:51:07 I gave up and nuked the whole repository and started from scratch. 02:51:11 O_o 02:52:01 foof, anything interesting for those ignoramopodes among us who don't read Japanese? 02:55:44 oh, it's a release of the automatic spell-correction feature for japanese 02:56:32 i.e. "showing results for ..." instead of "did you mean ..." 02:56:56 Hmm... Gee, I find that feature pretty frustrating and irksome. 02:58:17 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:44 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:54 With `did you mean...', I sometimes chuckle at the mistakes Google makes. With `showing results for...', its mistakes get in my way... 03:03:25 The mistakes are (supposed to be) extremely rare. 03:03:38 ... for the "showing results for." 03:04:20 Hmm... I encounter them often enough to remember being frustrated, at least! 03:05:34 .oO("ignoramopodes"?) 03:05:36 There's also another feature "showing top two results for ..." which is different, and is no longer used in English. 03:06:18 groovy2shoes [~guv@108-65-60-61.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:06:18 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@108-65-60-61.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:06:18 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 03:06:54 gnomon, the etymologically correct plural for the Greek word `ignoramus', of course! 03:09:13 Ah, of course! 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I'm writing a macro with define-macro & want that macro to have access to a global variable. 09:32:56 The functions I define with define do, but macros I define with define-macro don't :-( 09:33:27 Could someone please point me at some relevant documentation that explains this in small words? :-( 09:34:40 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 09:35:36 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 09:35:55 Define global variable in file that is loaded before files where your macro is used. 09:36:45 @gravicappa: Thanks, but I'm not even that far in - just trying stuff in the REPL. 09:41:05 -!- MapMan [mapman@dynamic-78-8-234-136.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43:10 MapMan [mapman@dynamic-78-8-41-207.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #scheme 09:45:56 Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has joined #scheme 09:47:03 -!- duncan_bayne [3cf0e503@gateway/web/freenode/ip.60.240.229.3] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 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cannot be done with define-macro macros, at least without a lot of arm-twisting. 11:57:25 gravicappa: ^^--- 11:58:11 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 11:58:39 is that a consequence of hygiene? (he asks ignorantly) 11:59:25 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:01:02 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 12:01:51 oh, wait. Is define-macro even hygenic? Or does that depend on the implementation? 12:06:19 no and yes 12:08:37 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:11:05 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-76-227.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:35 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 12:12:42 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-144-19.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 12:14:21 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:17:00 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 12:25:40 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:29:11 zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 12:34:41 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:37:01 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 12:39:16 xwl [~user@222.130.117.81] has joined #scheme 12:39:47 hey, three questions, two answers. parity error! 12:46:41 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 12:47:28 bremner: C-Keen's answer answered the last two. :-P 12:48:24 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:52:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:54:00 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 12:56:09 foocraft [~dsc@dyn-86-36-42-196.wv.qatar.cmu.edu] has joined #scheme 13:03:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:25 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 13:04:25 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:04:50 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 13:04:51 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 13:05:52 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 13:09:01 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 13:10:47 copumpkin 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a) 15:14:05 (begin (cond ((blah blah ))) (proc2) doesn't work 15:15:47 (begin (proc1) (proc2)) ;; note placement of parentheses 15:17:21 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has joined #scheme 15:17:21 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 15:17:21 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:17:54 does it work if one procedure is a series of conds? 15:18:59 yes 15:19:16 (begin (cond [test result] [test2 result2]) (proc2)) 15:19:48 mmk.. i must have something else wrong then 15:19:55 thanks 15:20:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:20:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:20:57 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-191.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:22:11 How about this statement in the else of the cond? (begin (filter (lambda (a) (not (equal? (car a) s1))) rail) 15:22:13 (remove-every-link s1 rail)) 15:22:30 kuribas [~user@d54C4306C.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 15:22:35 filter AND remove-every should execute, but only remove-every does 15:22:35 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:22:35 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:22:35 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 15:23:16 they both execute, but you're throwing away the result of filter 15:23:30 `filter' does not change `rail' 15:23:43 perhaps you want (filter (lambda (a) (not (equal? (car a) s1))) (remove-every-link s1 rail)) 15:23:47 or something else like that 15:24:06 or (remove-every-link s1 (filter (lambda (a) (not (equal? 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That's not a tail call. 16:24:19 some implementations use only the stack others only the heap others both, depends.. 16:24:37 Well, of course. 16:24:52 huh 16:24:57 (let loop () (+ (loop))) 16:25:01 what does tht mean? 16:25:10 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:25:24 ohwow: Here's the Ruby version: def loop; +loop; end 16:25:42 hmm i didn't know that you could define procedures with let 16:25:44 i think it works like a circular list? 16:25:53 besides let* + lambda 16:26:05 ohwow: That syntax is called a "named let". 16:26:13 ohwow: It's a convenient way to define recursive procedures. 16:26:25 its adctually a letrec most of the time 16:26:26 (Really it's just a macro over letrec.) 16:26:29 Jinx! 16:26:30 is it r6rs? 16:26:36 ohwow: It's been around long before R6RS. 16:27:29 oic 16:27:51 why do you need it if you can use letrec? 16:28:15 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:28:15 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:28:15 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 16:28:25 because its simpler 16:29:08 btw, do you guys know any good irc library for racket? 16:29:24 letrec is better used when its used as a sort of "define" environment 16:29:29 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 16:29:51 you use letrec when you have multiple "named lets" 16:32:10 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has left #scheme 16:32:25 ohwow: rudybot is written in racket 16:32:29 rudybot: source 16:32:30 stamourv: git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git 16:32:39 ohwow: ^ 16:33:20 HG` [~HG@dslb-094-220-127-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 16:34:30 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:30 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:47 (define-syntax let (syntax-rules () [(_ ((x e) ...) b1 b2 ...) ((lambda (x ...) b1 b2 ...) e ...)] [(_ name ((x e) ...) b1 b2 ...) (letrec ([name (lambda (x ...) b1 b2 ...)]) (name e ...))])) 16:37:54 stamourv: hmm so it just uses sockets, not any particular library? 16:37:55 hope i havent made a mistake 16:38:07 its a little late as an answer also 16:38:17 sry for the format 16:38:53 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:39:14 its ugly looking and basic but you should get the point 16:40:04 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 16:41:12 theres something itching me: (define call/cc ...) please 16:41:21 someone 16:41:33 ohwow: could be, I didn't look at the code. it was just the first irc bot in Racket I could think of 16:42:22 i saw weird theories about call/cc being equivalent to some lambda expression when called properly 16:42:26 is that true? 16:42:32 or i misunderstood 16:43:33 teurastaja: call/cc is "just" a procedure, however the implementation "reifies" a continuation as a procedure - that is somewhat magical in terms of standard scheme. 16:43:47 teurastaja, is it about CPS? 16:45:30 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:45:49 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:45:49 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:45:49 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 16:45:50 if you write your code in CPS then the "current continuation" is the one passed as an argument - so (define call/cc (lambda (k proc) (proc k k))) 16:46:09 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-191.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:46:19 but most people don't want to write apps completely in CPS, rightly so. 16:47:25 actually - I need coffee but ^that's close enough for IRC 16:47:34 gabot: slap stamourv 16:47:34 *gabot* slaps stamourv 16:47:36 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has left #scheme 16:47:47 lololol 16:47:54 stamourv: (That's a racket bot too...) 16:48:19 eli: I did say that rudybot was the first that came to my mind. 16:48:25 gabot: let them eat cake 16:48:25 zmv: What? 16:48:30 :| 16:49:11 gabot: Joke 16:49:11 eli: What? 16:49:14 gabot: joke 16:49:15 *gabot* thinks 16:49:17 *gabot* laughs hysterically 16:49:24 gabot: joke 16:49:24 *gabot* thinks 16:49:25 gabot: joke 16:49:25 eli: Don't interrupt me! 16:49:26 *gabot* laughs hysterically 16:49:29 gabot: joke 16:49:29 A rabbi and a priest are on a train, 16:49:31 The priest is eating a ham sandwich, 16:49:32 Umm... 16:49:36 I don't remember the end, sorry. 16:49:57 It's semi-sophisticated in what it could do, but I never bothered making it too useful. 16:50:52 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:52:07 damnit my buffer was flushed someone tell me if i was answered while switching buffers 16:52:31 Why would anyone do such a thing? :-O 16:53:28 flushing buffers? well... there are limits you know... 16:53:46 No, why would anyone answer you during your absence? 16:54:07 (Don't mind me. 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from bytecode to machine instructions. 19:33:38 but yeah, that's the essential idea. 19:33:55 guile does byte code interpretation IIRC and racket uses a similar model I think 19:33:59 Scheme has been the principal implementation of language for Scheme since about 1978... 19:34:06 s/implementation of language/implementation language/1 19:34:18 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [] 19:34:49 However, there is usually (not always) a core written in C, assembly language, or what not. 19:35:29 jcowan: the observation I had was that you couldn't quite get everything you wanted from teh runtime, 19:35:42 to implement a new runtime that didn't introduce overhead from whatever runtime you were using. 19:36:51 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-62-150.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 19:37:31 fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-167-210.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 19:37:43 aisa, it's very hard to avoid having some runtime below you 19:37:44 Hmm... Computer systems generally aren't tail-recursive all the way down like that. You usually can't reduce a Unix system by a `tail call' to a Scheme system; certainly you can't reduce a hardware x86 interpreter by a `tail call' to a Scheme interpreter. 19:37:58 samth: I think I was specifically interested in that runtime not being in, say C. 19:38:08 but being either a virtual machine or machine instructions for the hardware you were on. 19:38:21 that doesn't make the layers between you and the hardware disappear 19:38:23 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:38:36 (Well, OK, perhaps on some AMD CPUs that exposed the microcoded instruction set you could do the latter.) 19:38:42 It's not unknown to write the runtime in a variant of Scheme which can be compiled to require no runtime. This is the Squeak Smalltalk approach: the VM is in Slang, a subset of Squeak. 19:39:11 aisa, do you want to interact with Unix? 19:39:14 To use the runtime, you compile the Slang -> C -> machine language, but you can also execute the Slang as Smalltalk, since it is. 19:39:29 However, there is still a bit of OS interoperability in C. 19:39:34 Riastradh: through ports, if I'm talking about Scheme as a standard. 19:39:41 If so, you will almost certainly need some C. 19:39:54 that's also how scheme48 is implemented 19:39:58 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:06 and other people have done similar things 19:40:10 aisa, do you want your Scheme system to run in Unix as an executable program? In that case, you will either need to be much more specific than `Unix', or you will need a main routine in C. 19:40:25 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 19:40:41 Riastradh: Indeed. Was there a consequence of that fact that you were implying? 19:44:11 That there is no way to write a main program in portable Scheme. 19:44:42 So you can extend Scheme to make it possible, or you can accept a C stub. 19:44:45 aisa, either what you seek is pretty much unattainable (and not especially useful), or what you seek is pretty much what most Scheme systems do already, more or less. 19:45:13 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 19:45:59 Ah, I believe my intention was not to avoid a C stub, 19:46:10 but to avoid that fact being leaked to a higher level of abstraction. 19:46:33 that the C main function was the meeting place between the machine and some abstract machine. 19:50:06 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:03 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:56 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 19:57:23 aisa 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