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;) 14:05:37 That he is 14:20:08 RaceCondition [~erik@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe5ddc00-120.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 14:20:22 is Racket/PLT-Scheme the most popular Scheme implementation? 14:21:16 Is vi better than emacs? 14:21:22 Is ( 14:21:38 RaceCondition: mu. 14:23:38 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:30:58 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-92-21.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:38 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-92-21.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 14:33:41 -!- Caleb-- [thedude@109.64.206.93] has quit [] 14:34:18 C-Keen: oh 14:34:31 bremner: no :P 14:35:39 Racket doesn't implement Scheme; it implements Racket! 14:35:56 C-Keen: how come googling "mu scheme" gives nothing? 14:36:18 Jafet: so which implementation would recommend me if I'm going throw SICP? 14:36:27 through* 14:37:10 SICP is old enough that practically any implementation of Scheme will get you through practically all of it. 14:37:55 RaceCondition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative) 14:37:56 so, if I want integration with Emacs, which one should I go with? 14:38:02 -!- awest [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:38:09 amaw [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 14:38:23 Scheme implementations don't integrate with Emacs -- Emacs integrates with them! 14:38:24 C-Keen: no selge, teinekord ma siis räägin sinuga Jaapani keeles 14:38:47 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 14:39:25 so which Scheme impl. does Emacs integrate best with? 14:43:02 There are several scheme modes for emacs, scheme48 even has slime48 (though i never tried that) 14:43:40 I'm just trying to go with as standard/popular solution as possible :) 14:44:20 You don't have to marry them. Use all of them and then use the ones you want. 14:44:48 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-124.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 14:44:50 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 14:45:20 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 14:45:50 I guess I'll try to find a simple answer to that simple question elsewhere :P 14:46:51 It's not simple if you make it more complicated every time someone answers it successfully 14:47:15 okay, what is the most used Scheme implementation? 14:47:29 regardless of any integration with editors or IDEs 14:48:33 aleix [~aleix@eurk-125-99.uab.es] has joined #scheme 14:49:33 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-10-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 14:52:47 RaceCondition: geiser is a nice emacs mode that supports racket and guile 14:53:02 bremner: thanks :) 14:56:00 slime also comes with an r6rs scheme mode and chicken has some support for it 15:01:00 C-Keen: that's nice.. I'm already used to slime 15:01:10 bremner: geiser is even el-get installable, perfect 15:01:47 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:37 *jao* didn't know geiser is el-getable 15:02:53 twem2 [~tristan@puma-mxisp.mxtelecom.com] has joined #scheme 15:06:26 -!- amaw [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08:36 doesn't really seem to work with guile... complains "No prompt found" even though the prompt is there just fine 15:10:54 RaceCondition: you need at least guile 1.9.14 15:11:00 RaceCondition, you need guile 1.9.x, compiled from git, until 2.0 is released later this week 15:11:15 oh, okay, that explains it then--MacPorts has 1.8 smth 15:15:50 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 15:16:46 It's not hard to build your own 1.9 copy. :-) 15:17:01 Certainly I'm doing a rebuild right now after all the recent master changes. 15:17:58 I don't have a cross-compilation environment though, so I can't make a Mac build. :-P 15:18:30 cky: I'll try with racket first and then guile again :) 15:18:48 Sounds good. 15:20:05 Searching for program: No such file or directory, racket << and it's installed and on PATH... 15:21:50 aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:23:09 RaceCondition: sounds like a Mac thing. Can you run racket in M-x shell 15:23:17 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:23:22 yes 15:23:34 ok, then it might be a geiser thing ;) 15:23:50 I think geiser wants me to explicitly define the location of the binary 15:24:24 well, I didn't have to on Linux, but that is neither here nor there 15:25:29 hmm, yeah, you're right, there's nowhere to define it 15:26:25 RaceCondition: geiser-racket-binary 15:26:35 aha 15:26:50 (found via customize-group geiser) 15:27:27 I tried that already but didn't find that variable, but manually setting it fixed the issue anyway, thanks! 15:28:18 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:28:19 it's funny though, no matter how (many times) I start geiser, when doing geiser-load-current-buffer, I get "geiser-repl--connection: No Geiser REPL for this buffer (try M-x run-geiser)" 15:28:58 yeah, that is "normal", I think. 15:29:18 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 15:29:44 bremner: so it's normal not to be able to use the geiser-load-* functions? 15:30:11 well, no, its normal to have to manually fire up the repl, afaik 15:30:59 bremner: yeah, but I have; but I'm not able to send stuff to it from my lisp buffer 15:31:07 oh, not that is not normal 15:31:24 I tried with both M-x geiser and M-x run-geiser 15:31:48 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 15:32:03 is the buffer in geiser mode? 15:32:34 checking 15:34:24 (also nice that whenever I associate .scm with racket, there's a new entry added that overrides it to guile) 15:38:57 bremner: okay, the issue was that .scm files were associated with guile, and my repl was racket, so geiser was confused 15:39:26 bremner: I renamed to file to .ss because geiser refuses to associate .scm => racket and it seems fixed 15:39:38 s/to file/the file/ 15:41:02 RaceCondition, there are many ways you can tell geiser to associate .scm to racket. they're explained in the fine manual. 15:41:58 jao: customize-group geiser actually has an alist you can configure, but as I said, whenever I override the .scm entry, after restarting Emacs, a the old entry has been pushed on top of that 15:43:16 (setq geiser-active-implementations '(racket)) 15:43:48 yeah, I thought of trying that 15:44:12 i'll check the alist behaviour; sounds like a bug 15:47:15 (setq geiser-active-implementations '(racket)) seemed to fix it, although customize-group is still borked in that aspect 15:48:26 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48:57 RaceCondition, in what aspect? 15:49:28 jao: it still adds that entry on top of mine 15:49:39 but .scm buffers are now associated with racket 15:50:01 you mean in geiser-implementations-alist? i've just pushed a patch to the git repos that should fix the problem, i think 15:50:31 yeah, that one 15:50:42 myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 15:54:53 Caleb-- [thedude@109.67.207.23] has joined #scheme 15:55:28 http://www-03.ibm.com/innovation/us/watson/what-is-watson/countdown-to-jeopardy.html 15:55:29 http://tinyurl.com/6he6qyz 15:55:30 very interesting 15:58:30 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59:07 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:30 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:04:04 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-137.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:04:18 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:04:34 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-137.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:45 bremner: maybe I'm thinking too CL here, but isn't it possible to send individual defs/regions from the lisp buffer to the REPL? 16:05:53 or am I supposed to load the whole buffer/file only? 16:06:26 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-63.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:44 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-63.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:06:48 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 16:08:17 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-137.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:09:29 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-137.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:10:28 amaw [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 16:11:09 nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 16:13:20 stamourv [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:13:46 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:52 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-92-21.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:35 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:30 actually, scheme-mode and cmuscheme.el work much nicer than geiser, everything just works 16:25:19 rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:33:40 RaceCondition: ok, whatever works for you. It is rather easy to send defns to repl in geiser using C-x C-e. 16:34:26 bremner: whichever function I tried, it either gave me an error about expecting a module definition, or it simply created a new buffer and showed the result there 16:34:27 RaceCondition: do you not have a geiser menu or something? There is whole bunch of useful hints there... 16:34:31 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 16:35:31 ok, let me enable geiser again and see 16:39:28 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:39:37 weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #scheme 16:43:28 bremner: you're right, thanks 16:43:37 Tekk_ [~danny@cpe-071-077-209-233.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:43:40 http://dpaste.com/416136/ 16:43:43 myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 16:43:43 happy valentines day :P 16:43:44 -!- Tekk_ [~danny@cpe-071-077-209-233.ec.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 16:44:24 I don't know why geiser-load-current-buffer and geiser-load-file give me "load-handler: expected a `module' declaration for `first' in"... probably a racket thing 16:44:29 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 16:45:28 yes. 16:45:49 to verify run "racket foo.ss" 16:46:17 I always have #lang declarations, but I understand that is not portable 16:49:29 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:49:40 I didn't manage to find what I need to have in the file for racket to accept it though 16:52:11 -!- aleix [~aleix@eurk-125-99.uab.es] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:54:21 well, there is http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/index.html 16:55:19 in particular http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/intro.html 16:55:32 mmc1 [~michal@85.90.76.66] has joined #scheme 17:00:02 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:35 yeah, just found it... 17:00:46 but geiser-load-file still doesn't load the file to the REPL :P 17:00:50 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02:02 -!- mmc1 [~michal@85.90.76.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:06:04 did you add #lang racket to the top of the file? 17:09:48 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:13 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-87.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:10:26 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 17:11:34 bremner: yes 17:11:58 actually, now nothing gets sent to the REPL, even with geiser-eval-definition 17:15:35 evaluation results only get displayed in the minibuffer, the REPL is untouched 17:24:09 jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 17:25:35 well, each module has its own repl session. But I really have to do some work now... 17:27:12 myu2_ [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 17:28:01 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 17:28:22 this is way too confusing/complicated.. 17:29:03 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:29:14 so it seems. 17:30:22 waltermai [~user@131.247.152.4] has joined #scheme 17:30:32 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:21 ah, got it 17:42:11 -!- steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: steshaw] 17:47:16 -!- mathk [~mathk@dispo-82-65-210-45.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:49:07 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-10-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:44 mathk [~mathk@83.159.30.17] has joined #scheme 17:54:12 now I see why geiser is better than scheme-mode/cmuscheme.el 17:55:13 -!- githogori 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[~Blkt@dynamic-adsl-94-34-26-111.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 22:00:50 -!- Harrold [~quassel@dhcp-101-110.hpsc-staff.carleton.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:50 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 22:14:59 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-62-150.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 22:18:26 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfcff4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:18:35 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-4dbedfef.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 22:23:12 Do any Schemes have readtables like Common Lisp? 22:23:28 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-4dbedfef.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:23:38 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-5f768b04.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 22:24:08 I think MIT-Scheme does 22:24:23 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:27 I know chicken and racket do 22:25:17 Hm, okay, cool. I'm fairly new to the concept and thought it seemed like a good idea, but hadn't seen any mention of it in Scheme literature 22:26:44 Is it called a syntax-table in MIT-Scheme? 22:27:52 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31:11 Oh, and another thing. I was looking at the implementation of Scheme 9 from Empty Space last night and I was wondering why the real number stuff was kept separate from the rest of the code? 22:31:30 Are there disadvantages to using real numbers? 22:31:45 (Slower arithmetic?) 22:32:58 rasterba_ [~rasterbar@adsl-99-101-196-27.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:33:29 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:29 is scheme 9 related to plan 9? 22:36:38 No, I don't think so 22:37:09 It's just a small Scheme implementation designed for people to read and play with 22:37:36 Well, `small'. >5000 lines of C is a bit much for me. ;-) 22:37:46 But, oh well, I guess I need the practice! 22:38:01 have you looked at tinyscheme? 22:38:17 Not the source code, no 22:38:21 that is also tiny but not sure how small it is 22:39:12 many schemes are small 22:40:33 i guess if they are just interpreted then there isn't much to it 22:40:40 copumpkin [~pumpkin@rrcs-184-75-32-88.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:40:40 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@rrcs-184-75-32-88.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:40:40 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 22:40:47 Right, but this doesn't answer my question! :-P 22:40:52 :-) 22:41:09 other than the line reader, memory allocation ... and what ever i missed in my over simplification :) 22:41:36 Also, I'm not really looking for small Schemes, but easily understandable Schemes. Scheme9 also has a book that comes with it that explains some stuff in the source code 22:42:03 "lisp in small pieces" does the same 22:42:04 fds: What about scheme interests you? 22:42:27 i think with floating point, you get into weird issues for e.g. when parsing 22:42:29 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-92-21.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:42:38 is 3 an integer or a fixed point floating value 3.0 22:42:59 askhader: I guess I'm interested in Scheme as a way of formulating high level ideas, explaining them to other people and machines too! :-) 22:43:00 is 3.0 * 2(integer) a float or an int 22:43:25 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 22:43:42 fds: Have you looked at plt scheme? 22:43:45 Caleb-- [thedude@109.67.207.23] has joined #scheme 22:44:23 pltscheme == racket? 22:44:37 askhader: Yeah, I've got the latest version of Racket here, as well as Chicken, Guile, MIT-Scheme, Scheme48, and probably some others. :-P 22:45:03 askhader: But, they mostly seem quite huge, when it comes to looking at the source code. :-) 22:45:38 fds, you should implement your own ... it is not very difficult 22:47:08 The problem is that I'm not well-versed in any language other than Scheme. I've seen a couple of metacircular interpreters written in Scheme and stuff, but I guess I want to look under the hood and see how things like garbage collection, readers and printers, &c. are implements 22:47:54 So, I spent last night dissecting Scheme9 into its separate parts and I plan on poking it and changing stuff until I can figure out how it works 22:47:57 fds: there are many lisp and scheme books about that, sicp covers some of that, lisp in small pieces even more 22:48:01 s/implements/implemented/ 22:48:12 I'm reading LiSP now 22:48:31 And SICP, although I'm on a bit of a break from that at the moment... 22:49:50 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:50:05 chemuduguntar: In Scheme9 with real numbers, it treats all integers as real (floating point) numbers too 22:50:14 As far as I can tell 22:51:45 ugh 22:52:15 scheme9 mentions that it uses bignum integer arithmetic exclusively 22:52:30 presumably it lacks type dispatch 22:53:41 gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has joined #scheme 22:53:59 ecraven: It does, by default, but then it has real number support in separate files. Which prompted my original question about why they'd do that :-) 22:54:07 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:54:50 probably that's the reason, simplicity of the original interpreter 22:56:07 Okay 22:56:20 The implementation of Scheme48 is interesting to look at. 22:57:05 *chemuduguntar* is debating whether to use scsh instead of bash 22:57:53 scsh isn't really designed to be a command line shell, though I guess you could use it that way if you wanted to. 22:58:46 Anyway, a lot of Scheme48 is implemented in a system-level Scheme-like language called PreScheme. 22:58:53 bash is like logo i guess 22:59:14 actually bash is terribly ugly 22:59:19 Yeah, I was reading about PreScheme. It's similar to Guile's GLIL, right? 23:00:23 ...If you know anything about Guile's implementation 23:01:13 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 23:01:47 I don't really know anything about Guile, so I couldn't say. 23:01:49 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:02 I don't know much about PreScheme anymore, either. :) 23:02:41 -!- rasterba_ [~rasterbar@adsl-99-101-196-27.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:02:46 I was fascinated by the idea of PreScheme for a while because I'm an embedded programmer, and I dream of having something better than C. I've kind of given up hope, though. 23:03:34 Heh, well, they both look interesting. But VM-based implementation seems to add another level of complexity to me (and my primitive understanding) 23:03:53 i got close to getting tinyscheme on baremetal 23:04:11 Heh, I suppose I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum, I'm not even a programmer 23:04:17 -!- mmc [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:04:18 Just a hobbyist 23:04:22 fds: PreScheme is not a VM, it compiles a subset of Scheme to C. 23:04:33 foof: Oh, I see 23:04:36 -!- bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:04:45 foof: It's used to implement a virtual machine though, right? 23:04:56 levi: yes 23:05:20 Ah, so it's `below' the VM? 23:05:22 fds: Are you looking at direct interpreters, then? 23:05:32 levi: For now, yeah 23:05:57 fds: Yes, hence the "Pre" 23:06:37 Heh, okay. :-) 23:06:44 In some ways direct interpreters are simpler, if you're interested in how the language works, but the actual implementation of a virtual machine can be much simpler than a language interpreter. The complexity is pushed into a compiler to the virtual machine code. 23:07:53 On the other hand, you can design a virtual machine close enough to your language so that the compiler is easy. 23:08:50 And hobbyist programmers can be better programmers than industry programmers, since they're motivated intrinsically and are free to explore a wider realm of ideas and disciplines in their programming time. 23:09:49 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:09:49 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:11:10 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 23:12:30 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:48 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Client Quit] 23:12:48 Well, it certainly beats watching the telly! :-) 23:13:27 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-230-11.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: reboot] 23:14:39 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has left #scheme 23:15:21 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 23:16:15 fds: At times, I agree with that. :) 23:17:38 Heh 23:22:23 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:41 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 23:23:17 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 23:23:56 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:17 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has left #scheme 23:27:30 I'm just horribly inconsistent in my hobbies. Sometimes my hobby is watching TV, but that doesn't usually last very long. :) 23:30:49 ASau [~user@95-26-230-11.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 23:31:02 steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 23:32:26 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:35:27 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 23:43:01 -!- bokr1 [~eduska@109.110.36.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:57 bokr [~eduska@109.110.33.95] has joined #scheme 23:48:17 -!- amaw is now known as tauntaun 23:50:26 -!- evhan [~evhan@76.201.146.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:52:26 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:59:30 -!- DrDuck [~duck@216.186.151.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]