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It talks about three ways macros can communicate and one of the examples is the way record definition and match "communicate". Someone knows which paper it is? 01:27:48 what about object-name ? 01:29:39 masm, http://www.ccs.neu.edu/scheme/pubs/scheme2007-ctf.pdf 01:29:40 xwl_ [~wixu@nat/nokia/x-ntfsfjalsiobrlcb] has joined #scheme 01:29:54 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 01:31:56 jonrafkind: Exactly. Thanks. 01:34:31 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:38:40 towodo [~anonymous@209-6-120-139.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:39:29 user17 [~user@p5B2A9D2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 01:40:36 -!- j-invariant [~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:50:19 nasstop [~hobo@cpe-74-69-38-24.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:50:29 Is there a kindle formatted version of SICP 01:57:16 nasstop: GIYF. 01:58:18 No it isn't. It wants to be, but it's a bit creepy and wants to know everything about me. 01:58:46 Are you talking about Google or the Kindle? 01:59:00 kindle 01:59:16 it isn't in the amazon store 01:59:17 Me? I'm talking about Google. (GIYF stands for Google Is Your Friend, I believe.) 01:59:54 (I guess my joke wasn't very clear: I was addressing chandler and poking fun at the Kindle's Orwellian tendencies.) 02:00:18 (Oh, that too. Well, I'm not a friend of the Kindle either.) 02:00:27 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 02:01:13 you can put PDFs on the kindle...but most PDFs are formated for 8.5x11 paper which doesn't work well 02:02:58 nasstop: Please just Google for "kindle sicp". 02:03:00 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:03:06 nasstop: There is such a thing around, if you look for it. 02:03:17 Isn't Kindle that device that let you borrow books for an unspecified period of time? 02:03:23 oh, that's cool; html5 has a element: . 02:03:23 http://tinyurl.com/6xq6cqk 02:03:27 didi: Nook lets you do that too. 02:04:42 somnium [~user@adsl-65-184-155.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 02:05:12 cky: It was a joke about the '1984' incident. 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04:24:41 -!- Caleb-- [~caleb@109.66.201.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:25:50 pantsd: racket has a nice "for" thingy that'll do that; I'm pretty sure there's something similar in some SRFI or other. 04:26:49 thanks 04:26:50 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 04:26:57 rudybot: (for* ([a (in-vector #(a b c))] [b (in-vector #(1 2 3))]) (printf "~a ~a~%" a b)) 04:26:57 *offby1: ; stdout: "a 1\na 2\na 3\nb 1\nb 2\nb 3\nc 1\nc 2\nc 3\n" 04:27:09 or ... 04:27:12 rudybot: (for ([a (in-vector #(a b c))] [b (in-vector #(1 2 3))]) (printf "~a ~a~%" a b)) 04:27:12 *offby1: ; stdout: "a 1\nb 2\nc 3\n" 04:27:17 only difference is the asterisk 04:28:41 schweet 04:29:36 Caleb-- [thedude@bzq-79-182-207-181.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 04:40:11 sloyd: thanks! 04:40:13 rudybot: (require srfi/43) 04:40:13 cky: Done. 04:40:23 *offby1* perks up 04:40:38 rudybot: (vector-map list '#(1 2 3 4) '#(5 6 7 8)) 04:40:38 cky: ; Value: #((0 1 5) (1 2 6) (2 3 7) (3 4 8)) 04:40:48 hmm 04:40:58 can't say I understand that. 04:41:11 offby1: First argument is the vector index. 04:41:29 aaahhh 04:41:35 offby1: If that makes no sense to you, blame Riastradh. :-P 04:41:42 rudybot: (vector-map list '#(1 2 3 4) '#(5 6 7 8)) 04:41:42 *offby1: ; Value: #((1 5) (2 6) (3 7) (4 8)) 04:41:44 heh 04:41:52 that's the non-SRFI version. 04:42:02 Ah. :-) 04:42:10 The CLASHING, it HURTS 04:42:24 Like I said, blame Riastradh for that. 04:42:26 :-P 04:42:31 oh hey, what should I use in place of srfi32? 04:42:36 since its withdrawn 04:42:57 pantsd: SRFI 95. 04:43:05 that's some srfi, that srfi32. 04:43:30 cky: is SRFI 95 in plt scheme? 04:43:51 pantsd: Racket doesn't directly provide srfi/95 (you can't "require" it), but the functions are there. 04:43:55 For the most part. 04:44:22 rudybot: (sort '(3 1 4 1 5 9) <) 04:44:22 cky: ; Value: (1 1 3 4 5 9) 04:44:28 rudybot: (sort '(3 1 4 1 5 9) >) 04:44:28 cky: ; Value: (9 5 4 3 1 1) 04:44:47 rudybot: (sort '("foo" "bar" "baz" "quux") string cky: ; Value: ("bar" "baz" "foo" "quux") 04:44:51 rudybot: (sort '("foo" "bar" "baz" "quux") string>?) 04:44:51 cky: ; Value: ("quux" "foo" "baz" "bar") 04:44:56 pantsd: You get the idea. 04:44:59 shineys 04:45:16 hmm writing this to be cross scheme platform is going to be fun :p 04:45:32 You can always define some bridge functions if necessary. 04:45:33 don't bother 04:45:39 Hehehehehe. 04:46:16 offby1: perhaps :p 04:51:46 In my experience, there's no percentage in writing portable scheme ... unless you're writing a library like a SRFI, and are quite serious about portability. 04:52:00 If you are just writing something to be useful, then pick your favorite implementation and use all its features. 04:54:42 I'm sorry. Use foof-loop, not SRFI 43; foof-loop is more flexible and makes more sense than SRFI 43. 04:56:31 foof-loop also works in any R5RS system and sits in a single file on which you can hang module decorations for your favourite Scheme system. 04:56:59 Ooh, like a Christmas tree? 04:57:20 In January? 04:57:21 No -- foof-loop is non-denominational. It works in any religion you choose. 04:57:29 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-254-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:57:33 Fantastic. :-) 04:57:48 Is Christmas religious? 04:57:54 didi, it is only barely past Christmas in the Eastern Orthodox Church. 04:58:15 didi: The Christmas tree is a joke about the single file on which you can hang Christmas ornaments. 04:58:43 Riastradh: Yay. Two Christmas. 04:58:51 *didi* likes Christmas 04:58:56 *offby1* likes pie 04:58:57 didi: Don't forget Santa died for your sins! 04:59:07 *cky* likes Georgie Pie. 04:59:12 fds: I did forget that. 04:59:41 Georgie Pie has been gone for 13 years now. 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joined #scheme 15:16:21 (define syntax (lambda (str) (paren-check (string->list str)))) 15:16:25 is there a problem with this definition? 15:17:04 what do you expect? 15:17:17 (syntax "some string") is not calling paren-check 15:17:31 I added a print before paren-check call and (str) 15:17:33 (print "hi") 15:17:38 "hi" is not printed 15:17:53 which scheme are you using? 15:17:59 doing (syntax "string") prints "string" 15:18:00 chicken 15:18:20 try (printf "~a~!" str) to force flushing the output port 15:18:48 nothing 15:19:09 http://ix.io/1pq here is the code 15:21:50 phao: that code does not work as it is 15:22:16 I've just fixed the names 15:22:22 I was using 's' instead of 'stack' 15:22:33 but even with that change, chicken still doesn't run it... mzscheme runs it fine 15:22:42 slom [~sloma@port-87-234-239-162.static.qsc.de] has joined #scheme 15:23:20 this may be a chicken issue (no double meaning intended) 15:23:22 phao: calling paren-check on its own works? 15:23:30 let me see 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[~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:58:41 not that I am an expert, but scheme tends to come with macro ability, and then there is something called syntax-rules 17:58:58 http://www.call-cc.org/ 17:59:02 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 17:59:03 here is one I am learning 17:59:27 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:12 You gotta be kidding me 18:11:17 the standard is only 50pgs long? 18:12:01 yes 18:12:12 but from basic stuff u can synthesize a lot 18:12:21 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable198.178-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:12:22 crapload fo RFI for features 18:12:34 chicken scheme auto installs libs and compiles to c 18:12:40 petiz chez is r6 18:12:54 my surprise means I liked it 18:12:54 racket is off on another planet delivering all kinda features 18:12:57 not the other way around 18:13:01 oih I know 18:13:04 awesome eh? 18:13:08 yes 18:15:21 myu2 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quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:56 pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.121.191] has joined #scheme 20:32:15 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-53.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:43:54 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:24 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 20:44:27 does all the code that is distributed with mit-scheme have to have the same license? 20:47:27 probly not 20:51:18 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #scheme 20:52:47 -!- Seus [~Seus@146.7.61.69] has quit [Quit: Seus] 20:53:59 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-169-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:54:18 anyone know how-to compile dream scheme interpreter? 20:54:39 xvilka: I'd bet on a README or INSTALL file inside the source directory. 20:54:58 http://www.stripedgazelle.org/joey/dream.html 20:55:02 i'm know 20:55:04 Otherwise, if there's a configure file, try: ./configure && make && make install 20:55:23 but "dream" dont use automake 20:55:24 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-168-94.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55:34 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:55:47 I guess he had a lot of fun writing it.... 20:56:04 it's have only elf file for compiling itself 20:56:53 what does it mean? if in assembler its megafast? 20:58:23 no. but looks like tiny implementation 20:59:06 but when i'm try run ./dream - looks like it's wrong elf 21:04:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:05:40 r4 yes. but most of r5 are here 21:13:15 -!- Unthahorsten [~Unthahors@del63-3-88-177-167-25.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: goodbye] 21:15:09 aisa_ [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 21:15:09 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:10 -!- aisa_ is now known as aisa 21:17:27 -!- jonrafkind 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NICE 21:41:31 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 21:41:40 bgs101 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:41:42 Oh god 21:41:44 It's Gavino 21:42:35 sjamaan: cmon 21:42:48 you need to let me back in chicken 21:42:51 I was being very nice 21:42:56 and am learning a lot 21:43:02 really enjoyign chicken 21:43:11 and tell whoever abned me from netbsd to let me in there too 21:43:13 I miss ball 21:43:15 -!- zevarito_ [~zevarito@r186-48-209-164.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #scheme 21:43:22 mass_production: You're an annoying troll 21:43:30 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:32 And you evade your bans, which makes it all the worse 21:43:32 not anymore 21:43:35 sjamaan: OpenBIOS and EFI are both nicer than a BIOS 21:43:46 JMO 21:43:47 dont be such a grudge bearer 21:43:54 people mellow 21:43:58 Adamant: Probably, but it's not as well-documented 21:44:12 And EFI doesn't seem to have an interface 21:44:18 maybe, although Intel's site should have good docs 21:44:19 At least OFW did 21:44:26 meh 21:44:30 ah 21:44:33 not the case? 21:44:34 I'm just gonna do it the easy way and install rEFIt 21:45:56 monoid_ [~tmo@adsl-76-193-181-154.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:47:17 Adamant: Anyway, if it's anything like OFW it's a nice idea but Apple probably botched it 21:47:31 They badly fucked up their OFW implementation too 21:47:38 Buggy and generally annoying 21:48:29 sjamaan: UEFI is the new standard, and I expect Apple is going to upgrade their EFI stuff to it sometime 21:48:46 might just have to get used to it 21:49:51 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:50:35 sjamaan, are you installing NetBSD on an Intel Mac? 21:51:23 Riastradh: Attempting to, yes 21:51:43 Adamant: TBH, I don't care as long as I can get my OS on it 21:52:03 right. 21:52:29 I tried to boot my i386 MacBook in NetBSD. 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I'm well familiar with several languages 23:24:41 how familiar are you with functional programming in general? 23:24:48 or PL theory? 23:24:49 I assume every language has "The right book", like "The C Programming languge" for C and "The good parts" for javascript... 23:25:04 well, there is The Scheme Programming Language 4 23:25:09 erjiang: I have programmed Moscow ml and Ocaml 23:25:28 http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/ 23:25:35 erjiang: And also a good deal of javascript 23:25:41 Cool! 23:26:02 written by the author of a well-known Scheme compiler 23:26:26 TSPL4 is like a dry, comprehensive guide to everything about Scheme 23:26:40 erjiang: Ok, it does look rather large 23:26:52 there's also The Little Schemer and The Reasoned Schemer 23:27:14 erjiang: I guess the scheme flavour presented is not compatible with all scheme implementations, is that right? 23:27:26 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-81-150.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:31 TSPL4 presents the latest R6RS standard (I think) 23:27:41 while TSPL3 presented the last R5RS standard 23:27:47 Ok,.. I thought they were not recommended 23:27:48 *bitweiler* nods 23:28:03 so theoretically, everything in those books should be compatible with your choice of RnRS Scheme 23:28:24 erjiang: Ok. I'm not so well versed in scheme, but noticed that DRScheme and chicken scheme have some differences 23:28:37 DrScheme is now PLT Racket... 23:28:53 and Racket is a gigantic thing that has much more than "standard" Scheme 23:29:11 erjiang: Cool, that is good to know,... Which scheme would you recommend using for a beginner? 23:29:46 well, Racket has a fancy graphical GUI IDE 23:29:56 -!- Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-27-39-176.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:04 a lot of work was put into it for students just learning programming 23:30:53 Aha,.. I would prefer to use an editor, though, so I think language features and library availability is more importand, I think 23:31:02 I personally use Chez Scheme (from the same person that wrote TSPL4) 23:31:30 Racket probably has more features than any other Scheme, 23:31:43 like OpenGL bindings and stuff built-in 23:31:53 Hmm, there are many to choose from,... Is it true that once one gets into scheme you never look back? :-) 23:32:08 Ah, that is nice to know 23:32:40 well, certainly not looking back at things like Java... 23:33:18 :) but since you said you've used ML, Scheme probably won't seem as revolutionary 23:33:50 I'd say that the most popular implementations (in order) are probably: Racket, Chicken, Guile, MIT Scheme. (At least, that's what I've observed in the channel, I'm not so sure about the outside world.) 23:34:26 erjiang: Great info, thanks a lot! 23:34:43 Personally, I've used Chicken more than the others, but I think they're all good. 23:35:12 some interesting discussions going on now about mzscheme threading problems encountered by HackerNews... http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2120756 23:35:15 not all schemes were created equally 23:35:18 every Scheme seems to focus on something different 23:35:34 speed, features, compilation target, etc. 23:35:38 I think I'll start with chicken; I've used it a bit and I like that there is a REPL 23:35:50 my scheme focuses on bloatedness! bwahaha 23:36:14 I remember reading about a scheme implementation called Boo, I think. It should be rather fast I beleiver 23:36:32 aklt: i though boo was pythonic 23:36:37 speed is hard to measure! 23:36:39 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37:22 erjiang: 80% of speed increases come from profiling 20% of your code 23:37:26 adu: Hmm, I don't really know :) 23:37:52 Boo is apparently not Scheme 23:38:17 i think Mathematica is the best scheme 23:38:26 maybe bigloo 23:39:38 Bigloo is nice because it compiles to JVM, .NET, etc. 23:39:55 but I think it's not 100% standard-compliant 23:40:12 adu, I think the Wolfram Alpha REPL is pretty neat! 23:41:04 erjiang: compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-expression and http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/LanguageOverview.html 23:41:10 Interesting, but isn't Mathematica a commercial product? 23:41:21 aklt: it also doesn't use S-expressions 23:41:31 aklt, we're just making bad jokes 23:42:10 Ah, I'm not catching up :-P 23:42:45 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16] has quit [Quit: rpg] 23:42:58 adu, don't M-exps look a lot like... most other languages out there? 23:43:25 erjiang: yes, but not all languages let you do 1[[0]] == Integer 23:44:46 yapsol [yapsol@187.91.196.144] has joined #scheme 23:45:13 erjiang: everything in Mathematica is a list 23:46:51 I only get to hear my mathematician friends talk about it 23:46:57 pumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.205] has joined #scheme 23:46:57 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.205] has quit [Changing host] 23:46:57 pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:46:58 -!- morphir_ [~oivindbi@caracal.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:47:01 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:47:16 morphir_ [~oivindbi@caracal.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 23:47:27 e.g. if x = y + z; and you do x[[1]] = 2, then x = 2 + z 23:47:55 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:48:09 becuase + is syntax sugar for Plus[y, z] 23:49:10 and then x[[0]] is Plus, and x[[2]] is z 23:49:11 schmir [~schmir@p54A912B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:50:13 zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-102-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 23:51:39 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:44 interesting, thanks! 23:52:55 gtg, so take care everybody 23:52:56 -!- erjiang [~erjiang@140-182-234-144.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:57 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.205] has joined #scheme 23:53:57 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.205] has quit [Changing host] 23:53:57 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:54:33 copumpkin! 23:54:40 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:48 -!- morphir_ [~oivindbi@caracal.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:57:30 morphir_ [~oivindbi@caracal.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 23:57:43 Blkt [~Blkt@dynamic-adsl-94-37-227-177.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 23:59:14 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]