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02:31:53 <carbocalm> Hi. I need to generate a function with optional parameter (define f (lambda(. opt)1)) ; doesn't work. Is this a scheme limitation ?
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02:33:49 <mmc> try  (lambda opt 1)
02:34:59 <carbocalm> thanks
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07:35:00 <Gmind1> :P
07:35:08 <ASau> :P
07:35:16 <Gmind1> Although I 'm not writing my AI in Scheme
07:35:27 <Gmind1> but learning Scheme made me change my coding style
07:35:28 <ASau> Use CL.
07:35:30 <ASau> :D
07:35:53 <Gmind1> So now F# will be better than ever
07:35:54 <Gmind1> =))
07:42:49 <bitweiler> Great!
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12:44:31 <Quadrescence> What are some Scheme-aware editors besides vim/emacs/racket?
12:46:11 <Axioplase_> Quadrescence: I think eclipse has a Scheme plugin.
12:46:17 <Axioplase_> And JazzScheme too.
12:47:03 <Axioplase_> And edwin (emacs clone?)
12:49:03 <Quadrescence> I didn't know about JazzScheme before, interesting
12:51:52 <sjamaan> The eclipse one is called Schemeway, IIRC
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19:30:27 <danking> I'm so excited to head back to the land of sexprs. All these curly braces and infix notation is hurting my eyes.
19:35:25 <bremner> danking: you could use Haskell
19:36:38 <danking> bremner: Ah well.  Haskell would be step up from the Java work I've been tasked with lately.
19:36:59 <danking> I have a particular affection for sexps though.
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19:45:47 <Caleb--> we all love sexps.
19:46:56 <Nils^> I don't like the ps part
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19:47:42 <accel> why is foo-bar considered superior to foo_bar ?
19:47:53 <accel> the latter actually looks slightly more readable
19:48:01 <accel> since the _ is almost invisible and thus a space
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19:49:13 <aoh> foo-bar sets the bar higher
19:51:09 <aoh> also less danger of confusing it with a space, which would be a bad thing in most cases
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19:53:15 <cky> accel: It's a cultural thing. Get used to it. Just like Ruby uses foo_bar_baz and Java uses fooBarBaz, in Lisp, it's foo-bar-baz. :-)
19:54:48 <cky> Nothing in the language specifically enforces any particular naming scheme, but each language _community_ has its own customs.
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20:07:50 <accel> noted
20:07:55 <accel> when in rome, do as the romans do
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20:30:18 <evhan> FWIW i stare at underscores all day in python and i find hyphenated names far more readable
20:30:47 <evhan> not sure why, its true that the underscore is further "out of the way", but hyphens are just easier on the eyes
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20:33:22 <cky> evhan: I agree. But that's just me.
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20:42:26 <Caleb--> how cool is python? :D
20:44:54 <ecraven> in scheme48, when opening posix and then ,build-ing an image, when i try to run that image, i get: undefined imported binding posix_ctime
20:44:54 <ecraven> undefined imported binding posix_file_stuff
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21:16:47 <evhan> Caleb--: not really that cool, lol
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21:17:24 <cky> evhan: If Python gains tail calls, continuations, and hygienic macros, then we're talking. :-P
21:17:32 <evhan> Caleb--: its a language that demos well, but as soon as you need to do anything substantial things get ugly
21:17:39 <evhan> cky: right :-)
21:18:01 <noonian> plus theres the white space thing
21:18:07 <evhan> i think it sucks a lot of people in with its nice-looking tutorials, list-comprehension stuff, etc.
21:18:07 <drdo> makes no sense having macros in python
21:18:16 <cky> noonian: You mean like SRFI 49? :-P
21:18:24 <drdo> It would be too hard to actually right a macro
21:18:32 <drdo> *write
21:18:33 <evhan> but its object system is awful and i hate its syntax
21:18:44 <cky> drdo: Oh, I dunno...people write macros in Nemerle, and it's not homoiconic either.
21:19:05 <noonian> cky, thats cool i just looked at that
21:19:11 <cky> Granted writing macros in homoiconic languages is somewhat easier.
21:19:18 <cky> Because there isn't an impedance mismatch.
21:19:37 <drdo> cky: Good luck with writing non-trivial macros in languages that treat code as a string of characters
21:19:52 <cky> drdo: Python doesn't treat code as strings of characters.
21:19:56 <evhan> drdo: i actually wrote a macro system in ruby, once
21:19:59 <evhan> drdo: it was awful
21:20:14 <cky> drdo: It actually has a code object model, but, obviously, not as first-class as Lisp.
21:20:15 <ecraven> whoa, i forgot about srfi 49 :( now i remember
21:20:17 <evhan> drdo: just when you'd think something was finally working, you'd run into some other weird edge-case syntax rule
21:21:46 <cky> ecraven: ;-)
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21:50:41 <DrDuck> Is there a way to create functions for my main program, store them in a separate file and use them along with the file my main program is in using Racket and the DrScheme environment?
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21:53:04 <cky> DrDuck: Sure, you can (load) your file in.
21:54:37 <DrDuck> cky, if I were to type (load "xyz.scm"), I get the error: reference to undefined identifier: load.
21:55:11 <cky> O_o
21:55:51 <DrDuck> This is while in the DrScheme environment. :|
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21:59:42 <noonian> DrDuck, I don't use drscheme but maybe you are using the wrong language
21:59:56 <noonian> since it comes with a bunch and they arent all standard scheme.
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22:00:48 <cky> DrDuck: It works for me inside DrRacket.
22:01:05 <cky> What language mode are you using?
22:01:14 <cky> I'm just using "Determine language from source", with #lang racket at the top.
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22:01:52 <DrDuck> Ahh, ok. It may be because I'm following along with 'How to Design Programs' and using the 'Beginning Student' language right now?
22:03:09 <noonian> yeah that is probably it
22:03:22 <cky> Yep.
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23:18:21 <klutometis> does anyone use scsh as their shell?
23:18:47 <klutometis> i ask this question about once a year; but have yet to ditch bash.
23:18:54 <klutometis> prompted by this article: http://markhansen.co.nz/fish-sucks/
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23:25:08 <noonian> im just starting to look into it actually
23:26:36 <fds> Is it even actively developed any more?
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23:30:39 <klutometis> fds: last commit was two years ago.
23:31:01 <klutometis> it's a fantastic idea in principle, though; i wonder why scsh is so heavily wedded to scheme48?
23:31:19 <fds> For me, that would be a reason not to use it.. Much as I like the idea too
23:31:42 <klutometis> maybe it would be trivial to port some of the salient features to implementation-agnostic code.
23:32:00 <klutometis> guile did this for some subset of scsh: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/The-Scheme-shell-_0028scsh_0029.html
23:32:01 <rudybot> http://tinyurl.com/34uph9f
23:32:29 <klutometis> although, there's probably a lot of process-dispatching code that won't be portable.
23:32:52 <fds> I was going to say, integrating it with Guile would seem like the best plan to me. And I don't think Scsh had an interactive mode, which would be nice, if you want to replace Bash completely. ;-)
23:33:38 <klutometis> oh, is that right? i seem to remember something about that; hence Commander S. but i never did get Commander S to build.
23:34:30 <fds> Right, Commander S was the attempt, but I don't think it was ever released
23:34:54 *fds* vaguely remembers looking into this before
23:34:56 <klutometis> i guess i'll add an entry to the global TODO, then: "port some useful subset of scsh."
23:35:18 <klutometis> every conversation about scsh ends the same way, i seem to remember.
23:35:55 <klutometis> it's one of those bizarre ideas that seems good, but not quite compelling enough to overcome the activation energy; or something.
23:37:41 <fds> I lack the ability to make it happen, but it;s in the back of my head as a cool idea for the time when I'm more capable. :-P
23:37:58 <klutometis> heh; this cat's been trying to resurrect scsh as of nov. 29th: <http://gitorious.org/guile-scsh>.
23:38:17 <klutometis> the commit log is pretty sparse, though: just an initial commit.
23:39:44 <fds> Hm, I wonder if that person is in here.
23:40:38 <klutometis> calling Stefan Israelsson Tampe: hello?
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23:42:06 <klutometis> nah; the scheme community has at least one bipartition, though: IRC-lurkers and non-IRC-lurkers.
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23:43:38 <klutometis> i'm not sure how to characterize the latter: academic, productive, antisocial? none of the above?
23:45:08 <fds> I'm not sure; I can't comprehend not lurking on IRC. ;-)
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23:49:36 <jonrafkind> become a super lurker with geoip and google maps!
23:49:47 <jonrafkind> i mean in theory *cough*
23:49:56 <klutometis> the latter seems to contain shivers, sussman, dybvig, clinger, rees, sussman, steele, abelson, et al.; but not campbell.
23:50:18 <klutometis> it's hard for me to come up with a suitable bipartitioning abstraction.
23:51:25 <klutometis> (whoops: double-suss-man)
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23:58:33 <sloyd> the second is Julie, for copy-editing Gerald's messages