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The bytecode itself isn't traced, which is why each bytecode object maintains a separate vector of objects it needs to preserve. 01:01:36 Most parameters are globals anyway, which is why my own tests didn't turn up the bug. 01:02:32 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@247-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:02:35 ... and I then proceeded to spend ages looking for allocations on the C side that I wasn't correctly preserving, which turned out not to be the problem at all. 01:03:04 Once I realized the problem it was a 5 second, one-line fix :/ 01:08:17 I need to think of ways to prevent similar bugs from taking so long to fix in the future. 01:08:42 Don't make them in the first place, obviously! 01:12:02 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@217.191.213.94] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:12:15 pygospa [~pygospa@217.191.194.189] has joined #scheme 01:25:17 -!- Checkie [94@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:30:11 Riastradh: hardly use that. It seems pretty useless to me since C-l C-l does that just fine. 01:44:36 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:44:37 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:59:49 Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 02:25:07 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:29:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.90.2] 02:34:28 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: nighty night] 02:39:08 -!- tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:42:55 jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:43:08 *jcowan* unvanishes and all. 02:43:34 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:55 hi jcowan :O 02:44:04 Hey ho, elly. 02:45:28 That's not a very nice thing to call elly! *grins, ducks, and runs* 02:46:02 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-192.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:51:48 What is `:O' supposed to mean? A halo above a disembodied pair of eyes? A proboscis monkey with a nose rotated by pi/2? 02:52:25 X display 0 on an unspecified display type, written as an O just for confusion? 02:52:37 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-62-204.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:52:37 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-62-204.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 02:52:37 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 02:52:58 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:55:45 -!- Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:06:09 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:08:51 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:13:11 I'm not clear on whether the ` and ' are meant to be part of the emoticon or not. 03:14:23 If not, then according to the emoticon list at sharpness.net/emoticons, it means "Hungry". 03:14:50 They are quotation marks, to quote the colon and uppercase O. 03:16:33 Ah then. "Hungry". 03:16:54 In that case, why is elly greeting you hungrily? 03:17:38 The matter, though difficult, is not beyond all conjecture. Why not enquire? 03:18:35 elly, explain yourself! Enquiring mends wesh to know. 03:18:58 jcowan looked tasty 03:19:12 You have more hope of that than finding out what song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when hiding among the women. 03:19:14 *Riastradh* raises several eyebrows. 03:19:40 "Probably associated with Novotny in Prague" 03:26:50 Riastradh: how many do you have, anyway? 03:27:14 cky: :P 03:31:08 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:31:36 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 03:37:46 Riastradh: The ":P" is variously interpreted as "drooling", "kiss", or "sticking tongue out", for your reference. 03:38:05 elly: Riastradh has as many eyebrows as are necessary to solve the current problem. 03:38:16 nice! 03:39:56 Riastradh: ":O" may also be interpreted as "surprise". 03:51:08 indeed 03:51:11 jcowan is a surprising person 03:52:41 timj__ [~timj@e176196108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:53:56 -!- jcowan 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this, can't take the route via define-macro .. 10:48:21 You basically want to do: (lambda args (set! lst (append! args lst))) where lst is a macro parameter. 10:48:36 Well, I'm totally messing this up. 10:49:05 :) it's a basic syntax-rules macro 10:52:33 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 10:52:33 cky: Done. 10:52:41 rudybot: (define-syntax most-useless-macro-evar (syntax-rules () ((_ lst arg ...) (set! lst (append! (list arg ...) lst))))) 10:52:41 cky: Done. 10:52:51 rudybot: (define useless '(4 5)) 10:52:51 cky: Done. 10:53:01 rudybot: (most-useless-macro-evar useless 1 2 3) 10:53:01 cky: Done. 10:53:04 rudybot: useless 10:53:04 cky: ; Value: (1 2 3 4 5) 10:53:14 BW^-: Can I go to sleep now? 10:53:49 cky: :) i want it to rely on consing instead of append 10:54:02 That's your problem to deal with, sorry. :-P 10:54:06 :) 10:54:18 ok, thanks. sleep well. :) 11:04:09 made a workaround for now, using define-macro. 11:04:15 -!- BW^- [~Miranda@92.83.189.253] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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been here all along. :) 19:15:02 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-35-130-238.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:16:02 :D 19:16:04 ya 19:16:19 nice to see you guys here 19:16:30 I'm totally new to scheme 19:16:41 gotta find a book to learn 19:16:42 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-130-238.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:16:46 :P 19:17:09 and Vim | Emacs , which one to start ? 19:17:28 The topic might have some interesting books for you 19:19:29 And, I think over 90% of the people here use Emacs (Including me), but there are probably a few people using Vim 19:28:03 choas [~lars@p578F66B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:29:23 -!- Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:12 -!- DrDuck [~duck@146.229.117.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:39 DrDuck [~duck@146.229.117.148] has joined #scheme 19:35:32 -!- choas [~lars@p578F66B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:37:37 choas [~lars@p578F66B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:42:28 :D 19:42:29 woo 19:42:39 must try both 19:43:00 did you try IronScheme ? 19:44:21 Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 19:44:28 No, I haven't. (There are other people here sometimes, they might have.) 19:49:10 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:55:37 :P 19:57:23 so much things to learn 19:58:11 r u on Linux ? 19:58:54 Yep 19:59:16 *franki^* is a happy Debianista at home 20:02:06 :) 20:02:47 femtooo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 20:03:09 I'm currently using Ubuntu though (I'm at work) 20:03:14 Don't tell anyone though ;) 20:04:18 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-212-92.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:05:18 I'm going to install 10.10 too 20:05:18 :P 20:05:28 hope it could help me fix the Wifi 20:05:37 on G450 lenovo :( 20:06:05 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:37 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-214-134.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:06:45 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:08:05 This might not be the best channel to discuss wifi issues in, but good luck with that :) 20:08:48 ya :P for scheme , anyway 20:09:58 -!- drdo [~user@2001:690:2100:1b:226:8ff:fef7:3d9e] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:19 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:35 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-211.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:23:07 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-39.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:42:45 githogori [~githogori@52.sub-75-208-141.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 20:55:53 -!- DrDuck [~duck@146.229.117.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:55:57 -!- Gmind [~Welcome@113.190.196.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:38 yamanu [~yamanu@89.142.205.14] has joined #scheme 21:04:09 -!- museun [~what@c-98-252-140-73.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:09:33 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:37 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@i-6.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:16 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.196.101] has joined #scheme 21:18:04 turbofail [~user@adsl-99-50-22-193.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:18:21 -!- Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.196.101] has left #scheme 21:18:25 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.196.101] has joined #scheme 21:18:28 -!- Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.196.101] has left #scheme 21:18:56 is there some sort of getpass functionality for mzscheme 21:19:53 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.196.101] has joined #scheme 21:20:45 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 21:27:57 what is `getpass'? 21:28:05 shadow_walker [~shadow_wa@189-47-235-199.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #scheme 21:28:37 http://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/getpass.html 21:29:21 turbofail, it should be easy to bind this via the FFI 21:29:27 if that's what you're looking for 21:29:44 yeah... it just seems like it probably already exists though 21:36:15 tokam [~tokam@p54A7AD8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:36:29 how to append an item to an existing list, without creating a new list? 21:37:20 jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 21:38:00 turbofail: A couple notes from the linux man pages: "Present in SUSv2, but marked LEGACY. Removed in POSIX.1-2001." "This function is obsolete. Do not use it." 21:40:02 well i meant more just some sort of preferred password input function 21:40:46 tokam: in CL we would use (nconc list (list new-item)). I don't think RnRS has an equivalent function, but you may find it in a library, or write it yourself, it's quite trivial. 21:41:13 I would like to do it without an recursion thew a list 21:41:21 tokam: notice that you will need mutable conses, some RnRS don't provide them by default, IIRC. 21:41:38 I have the last element from a previous recursion, I want to set rest = new cons 21:41:49 tokam: you could try also to do it with your hands tied in your back, if you nose is pointy enough... 21:42:09 are there setters in schme? 21:42:25 I could build my own list using my own object as long as there exist setters 21:42:27 You don't want the last element, but the last cons cell (pair). In CL, this is what LAST returns. 21:42:39 setcar! setcdr! 21:43:01 !setcar 21:43:05 setcar! 21:43:23 set-car! 21:44:03 Yes, something like that. 21:44:03 I read it up thx 21:44:58 tokam: check the SRFI, they might have what you want already. 21:45:32 which language level to use for set-cdr? 21:45:39 I do not have set-cdr 21:45:46 ahh its ! 21:47:23 in R5RS I have set-cdr! but there I do not have empty and what I have in httpd 21:47:29 htdp sry 21:50:07 reference to undefined identifier: set-cdr! 21:51:11 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:53:42 schmir [~schmir@p54A91BD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:54:20 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@183-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 21:59:39 -!- ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:00:17 shadow_w_ [~shadow_wa@189-47-236-47.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #scheme 22:00:18 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 22:01:55 -!- shadow_walker [~shadow_wa@189-47-235-199.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:03:57 how to get the first pair of a listß 22:04:00 I mean the first cons. 22:04:15 ahh the 1st cons is the list itself :D 22:07:28 alexsura1i [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:09:15 -!- ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:13:38 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 22:18:44 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:20:34 DrDuck [~duck@146.229.117.148] has joined #scheme 22:22:23 -!- choas [~lars@p578F66B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:29:28 -!- Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.196.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:46 tokam: yes. 22:30:47 The journey of a thousand elements begins with a single pair. 22:31:19 I had problems using R5RS because it is not based on HTPD. I did not figure out how to use local 22:32:04 tokam: perhaps you should defer your need for nconc until after you have a better understanding of lisp data structure? At least, this is the pedagogical path traced by books such as HTDP, and implementations such as Racket with its various laanguage levels... 22:32:25 tokam: it's hdtp which is not based on r5rs. 22:33:13 what is scheme used for in buissines? 22:33:31 It's a general programming language. it's used for anything. 22:33:36 Like any other. 22:33:53 e.g.? 22:33:54 However, I got the impression CL is used more in business than scheme. 22:34:26 for e.g.? 22:34:31 google for success stories scheme or success stories lisp 22:34:33 I use php java etc.... 22:35:46 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:36:43 Paul Graham used Common Lisp to write viaweb, which eventually sold for several hundred millions to Yahoo. 22:37:14 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:37:28 paul graham also runs hacker news on top of mzscheme (with his own little syntax layer in between) 22:37:36 In fact, the programming language matters almost not, in such startup successes. 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