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02:30:06 id3 tags I believe they're called 02:33:25 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@247-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:42:10 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-159.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:42:26 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-159.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 02:46:03 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:00 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 02:48:19 *offby1* watches the tumbleweeds skitter down Main St 02:55:25 Riastradh: When you said that MIT Scheme had gotten it wrong by using odd streams instead of even streams (if that's the right way around), why haven't you changed it? 02:56:05 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! ] 03:04:32 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.135.179] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:08:21 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:08:57 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:13:44 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-159.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:37:29 -!- wuj [~wuj@pool-74-101-71-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:38:45 -!- decaf [~mehmet@88.252.51.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:40 timj_ [~timj@e176195037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:58 -!- timj [~timj@e176194004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06:23 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-ykgwitujuhmtmpiu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:09:54 Intensity [ARPvoYnr1B@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #scheme 04:14:17 pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 04:16:48 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:44:18 sidh_ [c0a314e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.163.20.231] has joined #scheme 04:46:18 wuj [~wuj@pool-74-101-71-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:53:59 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: nighty night] 04:54:19 githogori [~githogori@p57A68824.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 05:04:23 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@nat/cisco/x-ysyornpnsxlnqrhs] has joined #scheme 05:10:38 homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:10:39 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:12:11 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:12:17 -!- wbooze` [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:13:03 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-169-129.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:13:03 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-169-129.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:16:21 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:16:30 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:17:28 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:19:51 leo2007 [~leo@59.57.34.138] has joined #scheme 05:20:55 -!- wuj [~wuj@pool-74-101-71-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:24:25 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:25:42 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 05:27:52 franki^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CipherSaber 05:27:57 franki^: That's what my code implements. 05:28:23 franki^: As the comment at the top of the file says, you need a number of SRFIs to use. 05:28:31 franki^: I mainly tested with Racket and Guile. 05:29:12 Actually, not Guile directly (since Guile doesn't support SRFI 41 streams). 05:29:21 I think at one time I ported it to use Guile's streams, but can't remember now. 05:30:11 In Racket, put this at the top of the file: 05:30:19 (require srfi/26 srfi/41 srfi/43 srfi/60) 05:30:59 (Actually, you won't need to load SRFI 60 in the case of Racket. Its base library already has the bitwise operations needed, IIRC.) 05:34:14 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:36:51 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 05:37:02 cky: Ah, I see 05:37:18 cky: I'll take a look at it again now. 05:37:58 :-) 05:49:41 gnomon_ [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:49:58 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:04:39 -!- fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:38 cky: What is the "sbox" your function makes? 06:16:00 franki^: It creates the S-box, of course. 06:16:21 franki^: If you read the Arcfour specification, it talks about as S array (256 bytes) created. 06:16:22 But, what is an S-box? :| 06:16:24 That's what that is. 06:16:29 Ah, I see 06:17:01 franki^: An S-box is the internal state of your crypto algorithm. 06:17:34 franki^: You use some keying material to initialise the S-box. 06:17:53 franki^: The way CipherSaber does it is sucky, because it doesn't use PBKDF2 or anything like that. 06:18:29 Before you ask: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBKDF2 :-P 06:19:06 I wikied it myself :P 06:19:26 I'm not completely incapable of finding information but sbox was a bit too vague for me! :P 06:19:37 Hehehe, awww. 06:19:45 Although, I do now see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-box ;) 06:19:53 That. :-) 06:20:48 So much to learn. 06:21:08 Indeed. You should grab Bruce Schneier's book, Applied Cryptography. 06:22:47 *franki^* grabs 06:23:11 grab Practical Cryptography as well 06:23:27 so you don't make the mistakes of many Applied Cryptorgraphy readers 06:26:15 Aiii, last week I calculated that my reading list would take me nearly ten years to finish if I quite my job and sat at home reading all :P 06:26:22 s/quite/quit/ 06:26:27 Adamant: Thanks, I'll grab that too. 06:26:54 But yeah, thanks for the recommendation :) 06:32:04 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:42:49 Checkie [2938@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 07:01:16 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:01:20 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-165-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:08:34 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:16:14 kar8nga [~kar8nga@k-210.vc-graz.ac.at] 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Say those who are going over some books such as The Little Schemer and SICP. 15:50:22 No. 15:51:15 At that stage, the particular implementation is unimportant. 15:51:26 So don't worry about it. 15:54:44 Ah, ok. Since I'm new to Lisp in general, this might be a dumb question. But is it possible to turn Scheme into Common Lisp and vice versa? 15:55:47 Or rather, implement a Lisp in any other Lisp? 15:58:16 I'm not sure what you mean by "turn", but I'm quite certain it's possible to implement Scheme in Common Lisp. 15:58:26 I believe that one can implement Scheme in Scheme too 15:59:41 ...But, I'm not exactly qualified to answer these questions. :) 15:59:48 Yes, I realized how silly my question was after typing it. Implementing is more or less just writing an interpreter (or compiler). 16:00:32 I believe it's how new Lisp dialects are made, so it only makes sense that it was possible :) 16:00:51 If you want to drive a Ford, don't try to turn that Mazda into a Ford... just find a Ford and drive that. 16:01:28 If you want to design a new car entirely... well, you should get some experience with the ones we already have. 16:01:35 What if I want to drive a Mazda with a Ford engine? 16:02:20 Eh, Mazda engines kick ass. But unfortunately that's outside our analogy 16:02:38 Then you should probably know quite a lot about cars before you start moving engines around? 16:02:48 :D Sounds like solid advice. 16:02:56 :) 16:41:38 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 16:41:38 16:41:38 -!- names: ccl-logbot ski offby1 vu3rdd bgs100 mmc bweaver araujo aisa copumpkin EbiDK_ wuj femtoo fradgers- tupi ASau AtnNn masm timj dfkjjkfd gravicappa xwl_ wingo HG` rdd Mohamdu cataska Checkie gnomon_ Jafet Intensity Adamant TheRealPygo jao jensn Quadrescence pr pothos debiandebian Caleb-- nowhere_man preflex em antoszka rapacity yosafbridge rudybot askhader leppie Euthydemus pchrist foof gapeme alaricsp Obfuscate snorble gabot eli clog jimrees_ bill_h gavv\w 16:41:38 -!- names: lusory Khisanth devinus Kovensky felipe joast sjamaan wgd lisppaste metasyntax` cipher aking sloyd Leonidas ve danking roderic tessier chandler Dark-Star kniu borism stamourv Nshag Crito acarrico alexsuraci inimino rmrfchik spacebat pjb ineiros Hal9k bzzbzz tizoc Zahl_ mornfall ecraven eno futilius C-Keen aoh nasloc__ ment mario-goulart Axioplase_ cky `micro stepnem Adrinael elly qebab sid3k jimster ray franki^ weinholt ToxicFrog z0d chandra klutometis 16:41:38 -!- names: duncanm rotty adzuci bremner Zol dlouhy rrm3 zbigniew certainty shardz DerGuteMoritz 16:46:37 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 16:56:35 -!- AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable233.174-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: foobar] 17:02:03 -!- mmc [~michal@cs27124157.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:05:34 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.72] has joined #scheme 17:06:04 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #scheme 17:07:29 decaf [~mehmet@88.252.51.99] has joined #scheme 17:09:39 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:16:52 dRbiG [p@irc.kaer.tk] has joined #scheme 17:20:10 mmc [~michal@cs27120227.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 17:25:08 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@unaffiliated/mohamdu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:36:43 -!- mmc [~michal@cs27120227.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37:57 saccade [~saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:39:41 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:42:53 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:00 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 17:43:54 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47:46 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:50:53 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 17:51:27 mmc [~michal@cs27124157.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 17:54:40 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 17:55:03 Aha! I met eli :) 17:55:08 and maybe some other people here 17:55:21 *elly* evaporates again 17:57:01 *Riastradh* turns down the thermostat to reduce the condensation point. 17:57:02 *Riastradh* vanishes. 17:58:21 Riastradh: damn! I missed you 18:01:23 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:55 -!- EbiDK_ [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:23 -!- wuj [~wuj@pool-74-101-71-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:11:04 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 18:13:26 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:13:41 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.101.185] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:14 elly: You're visiting NEU? 18:33:19 -!- gavv\w [~gavv@webm.ntmr.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:10 DrDuck [~duck@146.229.116.106] has joined #scheme 18:43:34 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 18:45:14 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-89-159.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 18:46:11 Naturally, what I meant was to omit the word `reduce' or to include the words `it to', but was rudely inhibited from doing so by early morning blear. 18:46:55 leo2007 [~leo@222.77.105.128] has joined #scheme 18:51:18 kar8nga [~kar8nga@j-106.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #scheme 18:51:19 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@j-106.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:40 cky: they were visiting us :) 18:51:59 -!- DrDuck [~duck@146.229.116.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:52:07 How many of them are you going to steal? 19:02:07 me? none 19:02:11 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:02:16 I'm not a recruiter 19:03:47 Hehehehehe. 19:04:55 DrDuck [~duck@146.229.116.106] has joined #scheme 19:05:04 for people who are from NEU, I was the loud girl with the white and purple shirt :P 19:07:38 I meant `you' a little more generally. 19:07:49 oh 19:07:53 I have no idea! 19:08:01 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 19:08:08 they seemed like smart people, so maybe some? ^^ 19:08:57 saccade [~saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:09:16 Riastradh: ping 19:10:12 jcowan: ICMP type 3, code 2. 19:10:14 jcowan: SYN 19:11:09 Riastradh: ACK 19:11:43 Anyhow, I was wondering if you think that (given an R6RS-type library environment), units that only deal in procedures would be sufficient. 19:11:51 No, no, no! You have to do a SYN, too; your part is a SYN/ACK, then *I* can send a bare ACK. 19:12:00 In procedures? 19:12:20 That is, no syntax definitions can be imported or exported. 19:12:24 Oh, to sidestep any issues of initialization? 19:12:30 (Of course, procedures to be used in syntax definitions would be allowed). 19:12:31 Yes. 19:12:37 Oh! Of course. Units don't deal in syntax; they are first-class, run-time objects. 19:12:59 Excellent. So basically, a unit is a letrec parameterized by the names it imports? 19:13:26 Signatures are second-class, syntactic entities, and may themselves hold syntactic bindings, but that complication can be deferred. 19:13:44 So for this purpose, a signature is merely a list of identifiers? 19:14:06 I suppose that's one way to think about it. Perhaps a little more generally: a unit is a fragment of a LETREC with input wires and output wires. 19:14:57 I think it is better to say that a signature is a list of declarations. The only declaration you need worry about for now is of variables. 19:15:10 Fair enough. 19:15:21 In that case I think they would make sense as a WG2 package. 19:16:37 I hadn't thought about random forms in unit bodies. I presume they should be executed when the unit is invoked, and in the case of compound units, in the order that the simple units are given in the make-compound-unit form. 19:16:43 s/form/procedure 19:16:52 arrgh 19:17:00 s/procedure/form/; s/form/procedure/2 19:18:06 There are two options: you could evaluate the forms when the unit is invoked, or you could evaluate the forms as soon as the unit is closed. 19:18:39 Hmm, yes. The important thing is that the random forms be run only once. 19:25:11 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.77.105.128] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.20] 19:30:17 -!- DrDuck [~duck@146.229.116.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:31:24 -!- decaf [~mehmet@88.252.51.99] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:39:22 -!- mmc [~michal@cs27124157.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:32 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:54:09 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 19:55:33 Hello. I have a method returning a string. When I call it from my main function, the member function works perfectly. How ever, when I call it in JSP, tomcat says the memberfunction is not defined. 19:55:50 err. 19:55:51 sorry 19:58:21 wuj [~wuj@pool-74-101-71-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:04:42 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-171-202.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:07:03 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-171-202.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:10:05 Crito: Fail. 20:12:15 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:49 mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 20:23:10 Axsuul [~someone@97-93-99-133.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:24:55 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-104-154.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 20:30:40 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-130.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:37:09 schmir [~schmir@p54A901C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:39:06 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A901C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:45 choas [~lars@p578F67E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:40:59 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@2.121.50.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:44:56 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 20:47:05 daedra [~simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has joined #scheme 20:47:26 what REPL do you recommend that has a function tracer? 20:47:34 I'm using Ubuntu 20:48:14 daedra: Guile. :-P 20:48:57 ok. Thanks 20:49:55 Rule #43: Don't treat the newbie like he came out from under a bridge. 20:50:00 weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #scheme 20:50:05 schmir [~schmir@p54A901C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:51:44 jcowan: I figured I'd give a starting point, and if they have further questions, they'd just ask it. 20:52:40 jcowan: Like, if they have other requirements that Guile doesn't meet, then that's a point for me (or whoever is in the channel) to look deeper. 20:55:47 open` [~gleen@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:02:31 -!- borism [~boris@ec2-79-125-58-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:02:52 borism [~boris@ec2-79-125-58-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 21:04:17 sjamaan: i wanted to thank you for putting together the chicken gazette, by the way; it's a pleasure to read. 21:04:28 You're welcome! 21:04:50 I'm happy to receive so many positive replies; I did put quite a bit of work into it this time 21:04:50 +1 21:12:13 sjamaan: your digestion of the mailing list is one of my favorite parts; i've usually read the messages myself, but you seem to distill the essential. 21:12:32 Cool; that's the intention! 21:13:09 i also like the fact that you have insider information on what people are working on; and that you peruse the commit logs, the bug database, feature requests. 21:13:14 that must be a hell of a lot of work. 21:14:22 and your suggestion last gazette to try autocompile has totally changed my workflow, actually. 21:14:38 Trac helps out with its "timeline" feature to digest the commit log 21:16:30 klutometis: BTW, the last gazette was by DerGuteMoritz and C-Keen 21:17:50 -!- borism [~boris@ec2-79-125-58-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:18:10 borism [~boris@ec2-79-125-58-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 21:18:17 Correction, the one by them which mentioned autocompile was the 11th gazette. That last was the 12th, by alaricsp 21:21:06 Felix himself will do the next 21:22:48 sjamaan: ah, interesting. 21:29:26 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:14 And the one after that will be by MaxUndMoritz? 21:35:20 *jcowan* shudders. 21:43:01 *sjamaan* had to look that up :) 21:53:51 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:57:51 I grew up on them (in English translation). 21:59:57 *wingo* drinks a moritz beer 22:02:16 Is the unit `millilightseconds', or `lightmilliseconds'? 22:04:46 -!- TheRealPygo is now known as pygospa 22:05:04 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:07:53 *franki^* would go with millilightseconds 22:08:43 That's what the 500-mile email story uses. Google doesn't recognize either one, though; nor does NetBSD's units(1). 22:09:25 Wikipedia seem to favour light-millisecond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-second 22:11:54 Personally, I think that "light-second" is the uni, so I would apply prefixes to that. But I don't work in the field, so I can't comment on their conventions. :) 22:12:08 s/uni/unit/ 22:13:47 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@61.99.46.4] has joined #scheme 22:17:12 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-33-130.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:20:04 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-130.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:08 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:22:44 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:52 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 22:23:24 aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 22:24:26 Riastradh: Light-milliseconds, plainly. 22:24:34 Or just milliseconds in the beta system of unjits 22:24:36 units, even 22:26:23 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:27:11 What is the "beta system of units"? 22:29:48 dudes, I read that! 22:30:19 also, I never heard of moritz beer, thanks for the hint 22:32:37 heh, your very own beer 22:32:56 We have Beck's and Moritz beer. I wonder if there's a Felix beer :) 22:33:43 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@61.99.46.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34:04 Or a zbeer 22:34:20 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:35:25 neither nor seem to exist! 22:35:27 -!- choas [~lars@p578F67E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:36:41 DerGuteMoritz: There's a Keller beer :) 22:36:43 imran_sr [~imran@75-18-254-4.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:36:50 fradgers- [~fradgers-@2.121.50.126] has joined #scheme 22:37:02 http://www.germanbeerinstitute.com/Kellerbier.html 22:41:41 franki^: In beta units, the speed of light is 1. 22:41:56 It's often used in relativity to eliminate stupid constants. 22:42:17 -!- open` is now known as Open 22:42:24 crichter [~crichter@209.152.45.35] has joined #scheme 22:42:28 -!- Open [~gleen@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:42:28 Open [~gleen@unaffiliated/open] has joined #scheme 22:43:14 -!- wgd [~will@76-205-0-91.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:43:31 jcowan: Ah, I see 22:43:42 wgd [~will@76-205-0-91.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:45:05 -!- devinus is now known as disappoint 22:46:43 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:47 -!- disappoint is now known as devinus 23:02:03 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: alexsuraci] 23:02:26 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has left #scheme 23:03:53 -!- wingo [~wingo@219.Red-88-0-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10:08 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:11:01 -!- wuj [~wuj@pool-74-101-71-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:11:53 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-66-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 23:18:58 Azuvix [~james@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:19:04 james_ [~james@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:19:18 -!- james_ [~james@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:16 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 23:31:29 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:05 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A901C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:58 tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has joined #scheme 23:48:07 AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable233.174-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 23:53:40 -!- Azuvix [~james@174-27-34-218.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]