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Then replace f(n) = f(n - 1) + f(n - 2) by g(n) = g(n - 1) + 2 g(n - 2), as I suggested before. Then perhaps try h(n) = h(n - 1) + h(n - 2) + h(n - 3), a sort of triple-Fibonacci. 03:28:13 Revolve: I don't know. I've never used it. 03:29:46 Riastradh: Will do. I'm sorry to be beating a dead horse, I just really want to understand this before I move on in the book. 03:33:47 talking of sicp, i want to tackle it. I've got the book and I know where to find the video lectures. Is there anything else i should have? 03:34:23 Hey guys. 03:34:29 i was wondering if anyone could give me any insight into the S Combinator. 03:34:46 Like, I understand I, K and K. - I even understand Y. 03:34:50 but I can't see the use for S. 03:35:21 Ix -> x Kxy -> x K,xy -> y 03:35:40 Sxyz -> xz(yz) 03:37:29 Put in another couple of pairs of parentheses: ((S x y) z) = ((x z) (y z)). It's a sort of distributive operator. 03:37:51 (What practical use does it have? Absolutely none whatsoever.) 03:38:45 Thanks Ria :) 03:38:53 Apparently, it has some use in SKI Calculus. 03:39:04 Also, consider renaming the variables: ((S f g) x) = ((f x) (g x)) 03:39:13 *elderK* has been reading "Introduction to Lambda Calculus" by Barendegt 03:39:28 I'm pretty sure I spelt his name wrong. 03:39:39 AAaah. 03:39:51 So, in a way, you could use it to perform a sequence of operations? 03:39:55 Kind of like a (begin ...) ? 03:40:53 Seems you could, although it'd be pretty unintuitive - and you'd need a bunch of other stuff. 03:41:00 Not directly. It exists mainly to turn (lambda (x) ( )) into (S (lambda (x) ) (lambda (x) )). 03:41:01 Oh and hey, happy halloween! :) 03:42:12 Yeah, that seems kind of pointless when you put it like that. 03:49:44 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 03:51:26 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 03:52:40 timj__ [~timj@e176195219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:58 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176195083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00:56 -!- tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:01:28 Riastradh: solved it :) 04:05:55 I think I still need to work with the examples you gave me to understand exactly why it is that this works, but nonetheless I managed to write a working example 04:06:03 s/example/solution/ 04:06:21 -!- jengle [~jengle@adsl-76-192-7-0.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: jengle] 05:03:55 -!- mmc [~michal@cs27124149.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: 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#scheme 22:39:18 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@adsl-63-202-13-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 22:40:15 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.61.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:25 masm [~masm@bl19-146-105.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 22:57:53 Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has joined #scheme 22:58:04 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00:39 -!- niko [~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds] 23:06:27 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:06:52 -!- Nairod [4efba2e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.251.162.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:08:40 In , there are two exciting programs, one called gnu-lose.c and the other called bsd-lose.c. I'm curious to see what `make {bsd,gnu}-lose LDFLAGS=-lm && ./{bsd,gnu}-lose 1 -1023 2' yields on different operating systems and machines. (gnu-lose.c runs only on GNU userlands; bsd-lose.c runs only on BSD userlands.) Any takers? 23:10:28 (Don't worry; those programs won't nuke your home directory or spam everyone in your address book -- they just do some simple floating-point computation, and are just a page long, readily scrutinizable and understandable.) 23:10:29 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e04acf0.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 23:13:42 alexsuraci` [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:15:02 -!- ldunn [~ldunn@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:36 -!- banisterfiend [~horse@203.160.118.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:22:13 banisterfiend [~horse@121.90.152.170] has joined #scheme 23:24:46 -!- banisterfiend [~horse@121.90.152.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:00 banisterfiend [~horse@203.160.118.160] has joined #scheme 23:25:29 -!- scriptha [~sc@ip4da3afe2.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:38 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:29:58 -!- drdo [~user@98.192.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:34 josephholsten [~josephhol@adsl-69-228-190-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:37:36 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@adsl-69-228-190-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:38:38 Azuvix [~user@174-27-51-173.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:39:17 MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 23:49:35 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@145.120.22.32] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:56:12 Riastradh: flags = 0 23:56:12 (0x1p+0 * 2^-1023) / 0x1p+1 = 0x0.4p-1022