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If so, that's a huge win over common lisp. 01:53:48 I've used the GUI library, and I can state that it's unequivocally nicer than anything I've seen for Common Lisp. 01:54:30 wakeupsticky: you could play with DrRacket a bit; it is an example of a gui program written in racket 01:54:35 The one drawback - one which is being addressed by the developers - is that on X11 it uses a slightly odd toolkit that doesn't necessarily conform to the rest of the desktop environment. They're rewriting it to use Gtk. 01:56:01 is the source included somewhere in the install for ubuntu? 01:56:11 i'm looking around in the plt folder right now. 01:56:20 abstractj [~shadow_wa@189-47-226-226.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #scheme 01:56:41 I don't think so, but you can download the source tarball easily enough. 01:57:49 Have a look at the documentation too. It's how I figured out how to use it (at least for the simple stuff I've done so far). 01:58:27 i'm looking around for the source right now 02:00:41 oh, i see "unix source" is a download option :"> 02:05:04 i'm not seeing the drracket source code anywhere 02:05:08 just a bunch of .c files :) 02:07:14 wakeupsticky: look in "collects/drracket" 02:07:16 on my planet, source often _is_ .c files 02:08:15 offby1: The DrRacket source code isn't in .c files, though! 02:08:36 wakeupsticky: in particular, most of it is in collects/drracket/private. Be warned, it's quite a lot of source. 02:08:49 ah, thanks, bremner 02:08:53 and chandler 02:09:48 Slideshow or the games might be better reading. 02:09:58 Those are also in collects/. 02:10:29 yeah, I meant more DrRacket as an example of a largish racket app to get a feel for what is possible 02:10:47 maybe i should look at something simple like lights out and work my way up 02:11:21 i see right away that it's #lang mzscheme instead of #lang racket/gui 02:12:16 oooo racket app 02:14:16 -!- abstractj [~shadow_wa@189-47-226-226.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14:30 these all use #lang mzscheme...is that what i should use? the documentation is #lang racket/gui 02:15:11 You should use racket/gui. 02:15:38 The `mzscheme' language is for hysterical porpoises. 02:16:09 :) 02:16:20 If you aren't agitated and aquatic, you can probably ignore it. 02:18:14 well, so far this seems much simpler than trying to do a gui in common lisp 02:23:04 -!- nego 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just 512K memory 09:25:34 oh-no 09:25:37 26880 armpit> (factorial 13) 09:25:37 -215430144 09:25:58 works till 12 09:29:52 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:30:08 Eh, people used to run emacs on less. 09:42:24 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:42:30 Armpit is written in arm assembly 09:42:33 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 09:42:51 http://armpit.sourceforge.net 10:02:07 jao [~user@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 10:11:05 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw226086.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 10:27:06 kuribas [~user@94-226-139-4.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 10:37:05 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:46:31 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-219-117.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:46:36 -!- 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a very clever (and novel) bit of continuation hackery, I'm thinking it shouldn't be difficult to port the semantics to a scheme library 16:38:33 somnium: http://pastebin.com/SEsdKFm2 16:42:15 Jafet1 [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 16:42:51 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:42:53 -!- Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 16:44:42 -!- kuribas` [~user@94-226-139-4.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:44:52 kuribas` [~user@94-226-139-4.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 16:45:12 -!- kuribas` [~user@94-226-139-4.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:55 Quadrescence: that's nice, very clear. how far is it from handling the ref effect do you think? 16:50:14 jengle [~jengle@64.252.89.75] has joined #scheme 16:52:43 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:53:27 samth [~samth@adsl-69-227-148-197.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net] has 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Because it needs an additional iteration to get to the point. 20:07:07 true, 20:07:09 but there it is 20:07:16 when I run (add4 5) in mit-scheme 20:07:22 it tels me Unbound variable: x 20:08:05 but shouldn't add4 be a function which takes an argument (y) and adds it to x (==4) 20:08:06 ? 20:08:19 add4 is not a function 20:08:33 but isn't add4 the result of the let 20:08:36 which is G 20:08:36 zhenya [~zhenya@80.90.236.26] has joined #scheme 20:09:17 an evaluated let's result is not a function but the value of the last statement in the block 20:09:33 which would be a lambda that has a free variable which is not bound 20:09:51 Right it is the lambda 20:10:10 what would you need to do to preserve the value of x? 20:10:28 or rather what do you need as a return value? 20:10:40 jao [~user@83.32.171.90] has joined #scheme 20:10:48 I would like add4 to be a function G which has x preserved 20:10:58 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A911CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:10:59 let -> letrec or let* is what I think you want 20:11:10 i know i could just return a lambda in the last statement of let, right? 20:11:44 yes, the name G is not needed 20:12:07 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 20:12:38 here is what i'm trying for, define a function G that references a free variable (x) in its scope, then modify this variable after having defined G, then return G 20:13:07 when I apply G, does it reflect the latest value of x? or does it reflect the value of x when it was defined? 20:13:52 the point is that in a let the defined values cannot see each other 20:14:08 there is a special form let* that allows this 20:14:22 Aah, which is why the existence of letrec, right? 20:16:45 and let* 20:16:54 so back to what i'm tesing, calling F returns G. Then call G, what is the result ? the value of x at time of G's definition? Or the latest value of x ? 20:17:39 the value at the time of G's definition 20:17:58 in CL it could be the value at the time of calling 20:18:29 so as sloyd said add a * to your code and it works 20:18:36 Javascript dos the latter 20:18:41 does 20:18:45 Lua the former 20:18:53 scheme and lua are lexically scoped 20:19:01 that's what it is 20:19:31 so this is the correct definition of lexically scoped? R for example is supposdely lexically scoped, but does the same thing as Javascript 20:19:34 btw have you seen how let can be expressed with lambdas? 20:20:19 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Scope_%28programming%29#Lexical_scoping 20:20:20 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/255pqrv 20:20:26 thanks 20:20:52 also of course http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-35.html#%_sec_5.5.6 20:20:59 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: omghaahhahaohwow] 20:21:42 thanks, yes, SICP is close to me, still going through it. 20:22:04 then proceed, it will all become clear soon :) 20:22:51 thanks, i had an idea of lexical scope, the Lua and Scheme implementation make sense once I got the definition. Its just that R did things differently and yet claims to be lexically scoped and that threw me off 20:22:59 the world is alright now, thanks again 20:25:14 :) 20:28:32 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:28:35 Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 20:34:30 -!- zhenya [~zhenya@80.90.236.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:55 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:41:31 schmir [~schmir@p54A911CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:46:33 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:53:30 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 20:57:14 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.28.162] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:42 -!- mmc [~michal@cs27121126.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57:50 mmc [~michal@cs27121126.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 20:58:14 -!- yanger_ 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