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01:30:55 i could actually care less, but when i see little quirks it makes me wonder 01:31:57 'the old guys stole all our best ideas' 01:31:58 keywords are not standard 01:32:00 --F W Goudy 01:32:14 oh i see 01:32:30 the srfi 88 syntax is silly, also 01:32:41 goudy, genius type designer or most genius? 01:32:43 many schemes allow different syntaxes for jeywords 01:32:46 Quadrescence: the same 01:32:58 Quadrescence: type designer 01:32:59 #:kw :kw or kw: 01:33:16 i've only seen kw: afaik 01:33:26 FurnaceBoy: of course coming from you 01:33:35 i prefer the prefixed colon for reasons above 01:33:44 just semes a lot easier to distingish imo 01:34:40 I generally like using CAPITAL IDENTIFIERS because they are a lot easier to distinguish 01:34:54 lol 01:35:02 seriously? 01:35:07 yeah 01:35:12 :S 01:35:15 *FurnaceBoy* giggles 01:35:29 -!- DrDuck [~duck@adsl-67-167-21.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35:30 i think fortran whenevr i see that 01:35:48 well, more-so Wirthian languages 01:35:57 or the first home computers & BASIC 01:36:05 Quadrescence: YOU := SUCC(OK); 01:36:11 haha 01:36:45 luckily SUCC is SUCCESSOR so I am happy to know that I am what succeeds "ok" 01:36:50 it's kind of ironic how after 50 years lisp and fortran still have some of the best number support 01:36:52 *FurnaceBoy* pwns the room 01:36:55 oops 01:37:04 *FurnaceBoy* pwn3d by Quadrescence 01:37:22 haha 01:37:22 jyaan: what do you mean 01:37:48 lot of languages still do the explicit number sizes w/ overflows 01:37:58 jyaan: It does mention in the SRFI why they use trailing colons. to cut the story short, srfi 42 beat them to it 01:38:04 Fortran does explicit number sizes 01:38:44 well i don't know so much about fortran 01:38:56 but in lisp you don't have to worry about it for the most part 01:38:58 it just works 01:39:06 INTEGER(8), DIMENSION(1:), INTENT(IN) :: x,y 01:39:16 i thought fortran could handle large numbers easily 01:39:24 and that's why scientists still use it 01:39:27 No 01:39:31 Not at all why 01:39:49 so the reason is just slow to change?? 01:39:52 It handled arrays and matrices well for the time, and produced fast floating point code 01:39:56 oh ok 01:40:12 oh right, i remember parts of that now 01:40:17 and early libraries 01:40:24 like that algebra solver thing 01:40:27 forgot the name 01:40:31 a bunch 01:40:31 ALTRAN 01:40:34 so that added inertia 01:40:38 cf Java 01:40:40 but it can generate assembly for an expression 01:41:03 recent scripting languages are a lot nicer on the numbers at least 01:41:06 most compilers generate assembly for expressions 01:41:17 i guess functional programming languages are juste always wayy nicer for math 01:41:28 it's some optimized code 01:41:32 Not necessarily true 01:41:36 i'll try to remember the name of it 01:41:52 BLAS, LAPACK, LINPACK 01:41:56 BLAS 01:41:57 tht's it 01:41:58 that's it 01:42:08 + ah numerous others 01:42:26 so it was a 'platform' not just a language... skill base too 01:42:32 #scheme: where the young go to talk about old things 01:42:33 fast linear algebra 01:42:36 lol 01:42:44 wingo: try #classiccmp 01:43:33 i'm really curious about what's going to happen w/ java now 01:43:43 let me help u out: DOOM AND GLOOM 01:43:57 jyaan: Functional languages are typically "better" at math because 1. they usually mimic a lot of notation for them, 2. especially with typed languages, you can represent the concept of "domain" and "range" in an automated way 01:44:47 But I see functional programming : mathematician :: newb to programming : python 01:44:47 the number also tend to "just work" 01:44:54 numbers* 01:45:01 haha 01:45:16 python actually isn't that bad about it 01:45:18 (Gaussian) integers usually just work, not much else 01:45:30 Quadrescence: just what i was about to say... except not as precisely 01:45:32 yea i suppose that's true 01:45:43 jyaan: FP still sucks in Python as much as Fortran! 01:45:46 it's not like you get all the vector operations and everything else 01:45:51 haha 01:46:00 FurnaceBoy: Guido Van Not-Very-Rawesome hates FP 01:46:04 ANd doesn't want to include it 01:46:08 And* 01:46:08 Quadrescence: i mean floating point 01:46:10 Oh. 01:46:11 >_> 01:46:16 Quadrescence: my bad 01:46:18 right, he actually wants to remove some of the things like filter, map etc 01:46:26 TCO 01:46:28 because he doesn't feel it's the "python way" 01:46:45 well, that's fine, we'll all use Scheme 01:46:50 yea python's floating point is kind of "bad" just beacuse that's how computers work 01:46:51 I think Python just adheres to IEEE 754 01:46:51 Didn't he have a blog post complaining about fold 01:46:51 *FurnaceBoy* scrambles to return to topic 01:46:58 yes 01:46:59 Quadrescence: +1 01:47:13 IJP: he also had at least one blog post hammering the idea that TCO was pointless 01:47:18 so when you try to represent certain numbers in base 2 they get rounded 01:47:25 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:47:29 to the closest representation 01:47:33 jyaan: that would be most of them :) 01:47:39 lol not most 01:47:50 Yes most 01:48:11 most rationals, even 01:48:18 yea actually i guess you're right 01:48:25 pretty much anything like 1.00X will be wrong 01:48:35 The only languages I know that have good FP support are computer algebra systems 01:48:57 well there are classes out there 01:49:08 "Classes"? 01:49:13 ADT 01:49:20 you mean libraries 01:49:22 like decimal type 01:49:24 yea 01:49:34 caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:49:39 Sure, GMP provides it 01:49:50 No one uses it though except a few niche places 01:49:56 like money... 01:49:57 :P 01:50:05 toy programs like Mathematica 01:50:09 lol 01:50:10 jyaan: No 01:50:23 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 01:50:24 I am not talking about decimal numbers, I am talking about unlimited precision 01:50:32 oh 01:50:33 ok 01:50:33 which is the pseudo-ultimate in correctness 01:51:44 fortunately i don't have to worry about that stuff for the most part :P 01:52:11 actually i could get away with fixed point for quite a few things 01:52:42 Most people can get away without bignums too 01:52:43 ieee754 isn't so complex, it's good to understand its limitations 01:52:45 bigints rather 01:53:22 'what every computer scientist should know about floating point', etc 01:53:57 there's one about memory, too 01:54:12 and distributed 01:54:13 ADD 1 TO FurnaceBoy GIVING FurnaceBoy 01:54:18 classic paper 01:54:55 Not unless furnaceboy is alephnull. 01:54:56 jyaan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies_of_Distributed_Computing 01:55:18 caoliver: only to my mother 01:55:21 oh i remember that hahaha 01:55:21 caoliver: he could be aleph_k really 01:55:50 jyaan: http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html 01:56:06 yea i have the other 2 on pdf 01:56:35 got it from his redhat site 01:57:21 oh no that was another guy 01:57:49 goldberg was the original, the memory article was made in the same style 01:58:05 *FurnaceBoy* is always suspicious of sequels 01:58:16 nah it's actually pretty good 01:58:23 neilv [~user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 02:00:49 anyone eating? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ 02:01:02 Quadrescence: shhh you'll disturb the dining philosophers 02:01:16 they're all locked up anyway 02:01:27 ?? 02:01:32 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:36 Quadrescence: only running YOUR program 02:01:41 oh i remember that video llo 02:01:50 yea he kept playing w/ his feet lol 02:02:23 hahah gross 02:02:52 "down with proprietary sources of food" 02:02:52 haha 02:04:24 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:40 everyone has quirks. rms has already done more good for the world than probably all of us put together ever will :) 02:04:54 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 02:05:02 neilv: Hey, that's putting down a lot of people 02:05:03 Obligatory reference to Steele's Dining Philosopher schtick 02:05:14 or diminishing their work 02:05:36 Depends strongly on the set of "us." 02:05:46 talking on channel right now 02:05:50 Yes, so you better not make such an assertion so quickly! 02:05:54 free software is nothing w/out community :P 02:06:32 neilv: could not agree more 02:06:39 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 02:07:08 neilv: with slight edit :) 02:07:14 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 02:08:03 BTW: does anyone have a video or writeup of Olin Shivers' talk from Montreal? 02:12:30 jao wrote about it briefly 02:12:31 http://programming-musings.org/2010/08/23/at-the-workshop/ 02:14:44 I read that. I had hoped there might be a video or a PDF from Olin himself. 02:14:46 i don't think talks were taped, but i could be wrong 02:14:46 That's too bad, but thank you. 02:20:35 np 02:20:50 send olin a mail to prod him into posting his code :) 02:27:33 *jao* does just that 02:32:22 -!- atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:32:49 atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has joined #scheme 02:35:00 mail sent 02:39:17 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@140-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:51:30 -!- neilv [~user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01:47 timchen1` [tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has joined #scheme 03:01:56 -!- timchen1` is now known as nasloc__ 03:08:34 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-97-238.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:36 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-97-238.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:39 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-52-168.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:09:40 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-52-168.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:20:42 -!- caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:27:47 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 03:34:39 Kerrick [~Kerrick@helix.echoservers.com] has joined #scheme 03:35:08 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:36:44 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:49:22 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:52:47 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@helix.echoservers.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 04:04:46 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:10:05 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:13:06 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Off I go! 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Moreover I've already written a library for unlimited prec. 13:58:15 FurnaceBoy [~FurnaceBo@ns2.smartgames.ca] has joined #scheme 13:58:29 wow FurnaceBoy way to pop in when I get on 13:59:08 Quadrescence: morning 13:59:44 hi 14:01:41 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-212.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 14:05:09 -!- micro`` is now known as `micro 14:07:18 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-106-111.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 14:08:19 morning 14:26:20 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:35:21 copumpkin [~copumpkin@94.164.58.13] has joined #scheme 14:37:38 -!- e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:40 rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 14:42:35 -!- Wildweasal [~Wildweasa@unaffiliated/wildweasal] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:44:30 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-35-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:08 edw [~user@pool-141-158-49-219.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:50:12 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:26 wingo [~wingo@adsl-75-28-21-123.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 14:54:33 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 14:59:07 -!- `micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has left #scheme 15:00:13 `micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has joined #scheme 15:12:14 hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 15:12:23 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 15:15:03 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:57 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 15:21:55 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:26:47 i wonder how r6rs libraries dealt with macros 15:27:01 maybe they didn't specify _how_ it should work, only that it should :P 15:28:20 IJP [~Ian@host109-154-210-141.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 15:30:48 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:33:48 djjack [~djjack@cpe-098-026-029-215.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:34:06 jyaan, all of the interesting aspects of r6rs modules are about macros 15:34:19 :P 15:34:28 yea 15:34:43 'cause of the problems you can run into w/ load or even include 15:34:45 there's a lot of specification of how macros and modules interact 15:34:59 kar8nga [~kar8nga@78.104.80.205] has joined #scheme 15:35:00 include is well-specified. load is not. 15:35:23 so that's why macros w/ load sometimes work and sometimse don't 15:35:25 =/ 15:35:42 even in the same implementation lol 15:36:13 jyaan, load in general doesn't always work 15:36:15 doesn't autocad use scheme? 15:36:19 no 15:36:24 Autolisp you mean? 15:36:27 autocad used to use lisp 15:36:31 ah ok that's it 15:36:37 and still does in some parts, i think 15:37:11 autocad lt doesn't have it, whatever that menas 15:37:36 it's a shame how a project using lisp can eventually end up ditching it 15:37:58 mainly because new contributors don't bother to learn the language and just ignore it 15:38:42 autolisp is a lisp like tatas are vehicles 15:42:35 -!- edw [~user@pool-141-158-49-219.phil.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:42:55 jyaan http://www.franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/naughtydog.lhtml -> http://grammerjack.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F2629C772A178A7C!114.entry -> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispInJakAndDaxter 15:42:56 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/5jd8r 15:43:49 ya inkow about GOAL 15:44:00 technically it isn't really Scheme tho :P 15:44:20 it's a different lisp 15:44:26 still very neat tho 15:44:30 jyaan | it's a shame how a project using lisp can eventually end up ditching it 15:44:36 yuea 15:44:38 yea 15:44:52 afaik they were forced to start moving to C++ 15:44:55 becasue of sony 15:45:03 pretty stupid imo 15:45:22 they made something great, i don't see the point in dropping it just becasue it isn't C++ 15:45:33 some of the disadvantages are summarised in that last link 15:45:35 but i guess some ppl are like that, if it isn't C++, they don't want it 15:45:41 if the project wasn't managed well, then it could be quite rational to drop it. 15:45:43 oh ok 15:45:47 the great counter-example is Erlang. 15:46:00 that's disruptive technology transfer done exactly right 15:46:09 though it had enormous battles in between 15:46:37 I suppose other examples are SQL, and UNIX itself. 15:46:52 where the skunkworks product actually got adopted 15:47:23 heh 15:47:27 became the state of the art) 15:47:42 well i use scheme in my games just becasue i like it 15:47:49 it's wayyy better than coding C++ imo 15:48:29 i still do a bunch of parts in C++ but i don't enjoy it that much 15:48:41 actually, D + Scheme would be friggin awesome 15:48:47 -!- certainty|work is now known as certainty 15:49:23 I'd use D if only it had more support, but unfortunately on consoles you're pretty much screwed on the compiler 15:49:38 have to use whatever the company requires in most cases 15:50:12 nintendo has only one official compiler (C++) for example 15:50:44 vendors are very conservative in what they endorse, even if other solutions exist 15:50:51 Yea I know 15:51:04 it's all a bit of a mess :) 15:51:08 That's how it's been since, well always i guess 15:51:22 right, but disruptive tech CAN win : look at gcc. 15:51:30 D has some nice features which makse it feel a bit more lispy 15:51:41 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@78.104.80.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:43 The metaprogramming reminds me a lot of lisp macros 15:51:59 yea 15:52:05 GCC is greate 15:52:07 great* 15:53:10 Using the GDC frontend I could likely compile to a lot of platforms 15:53:15 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:53:51 It has pretty good support for interfacing w/ C so gambit/chicken would not be hard to deal w/ 15:54:20 But I'd have to port to C++ if supporting a console :( 15:55:42 you have C in hand, that shouldn't be too bad. 15:56:10 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 15:56:12 But C++ and SCheme isn't all that bad 15:57:17 I'm probably going to write a little generic-function system tho 15:57:43 that's really the only thing I care about from "OOP" 15:58:19 what do you use scheme for anyways? 16:00:22 -!- wingo [~wingo@adsl-75-28-21-123.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:31 that's really bad how nd's compiler was written by one guy and basically was the only one who know about how it worked tho lol 16:01:29 i'm learning it. my first FP language was Erlang. I'm working through SICP too 16:01:37 oh ok 16:01:53 it's a nice language 16:02:06 i just wish that there had been first-class maps 16:02:38 and maybe that the list operations worked on vectors and maps 16:03:31 can you be specific? 16:04:08 when i say maps i mean hash tables or something like python's dicts 16:04:21 key-value associative data structure 16:04:41 (:key "value" :another-key "another value") 16:04:43 stuff like that 16:04:54 I guess they'd need some syntax ofc 16:05:03 maybe #m() i don't know 16:05:38 wingo [~wingo@adsl-75-28-21-123.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:05:42 jyaan: it has dicts 16:05:44 it could be $(:key "value") for all i care 16:05:47 scheme? 16:05:50 how do you mean 16:05:55 jyaan: i thought you were talking about Erlang 16:05:58 nm 16:05:59 oh no 16:06:01 talking about scheme 16:06:17 but erlang is nice too :P 16:06:25 atoms are sort of like symbols in a way 16:06:30 great thing to have 16:06:39 right, a lot of common concepts 16:06:43 the matching style is great too 16:06:50 i'd like something like that in scheme for sure 16:06:55 you can have it. 16:06:59 Quadrescence can explain 16:07:05 that's really kind of what i meant by generic functions 16:07:21 selection based on types/arity/w/e 16:08:07 i found a "match" macro but it's not quite the same 16:08:27 could collect all the args in a list and match on it i suppose 16:08:35 i have always liked pattern matching since Mathematica 16:08:41 yea it's sweet 16:08:52 i tihnk the first time i saw it was actually haskell 16:09:06 but i didn't really get interested in it until ocaml 16:09:29 and then seeing the way erlang did it was the coolest of them all 16:09:32 :P 16:09:56 actually there is an extension to gambit to get erlang-style concurrency 16:10:03 it's called termite 16:12:38 kind of ironic that an infrastructual feature would be named for the termite 16:12:44 -ural* 16:12:50 haha 16:16:46 (new-cafe) 16:18:13 Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-19-234-140.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 16:20:26 somnium` [~user@adsl-65-185-34.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 16:22:13 -!- somnium [~user@adsl-65-191-210.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:23:54 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 16:29:10 -!- wingo [~wingo@adsl-75-28-21-123.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:35 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:47 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 16:39:19 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:19 authorblues_work [827f317b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.127.49.123] has joined #scheme 16:41:54 im using mit-scheme, and id like to run a file such that none of the interactive shell is displayed. im trying to set up scheme as a language for a programming competition, and i need to write a simple interpretter script that pipes an input into stdin, and i need the result in stdout to be pure (not include the interactive prompt) 16:42:44 so far im using `mit-scheme --load $file`, but i dont know how to suppress edwin (i think thats what its called) 16:45:35 fowlduck [~fowlduck@2002:4547:f82e:0:fa1e:dfff:fed7:9dc1] has joined #scheme 16:47:15 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:47:49 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:49:08 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 16:52:16 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-212.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:52:22 wingo [~wingo@obfw.oblong.net] has joined #scheme 16:55:23 im using mit-scheme, and id like to run a file such that none of the interactive shell is displayed. im trying to set up scheme as a language for a programming competition, and i need to write a simple interpretter script that pipes an input into stdin, and i need the result in stdout to be pure (not include the interactive prompt) 17:01:29 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:35 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:08:55 authorblues_work: Asking the question multiple times won't help if nobody knows the answer. 17:09:18 nobody responding doesnt immediately suggest to me that nobody knows the answer, but point taken 17:09:36 authorblues_work: I think after the --load option, you'll need to provide an --eval option to cause MIT Scheme to exit. 17:10:06 thats not QUITE sufficient, because scheme still prints out an endless amount of bookkeeping cruft 17:10:16 ppl alayws seem to be asking about these problems w/ mit-scheme 17:10:25 i think it just doesn't support script very well at least 17:10:31 at all* 17:10:56 jyaan: if i want a version of scheme that conforms to whatever the common "standard" is, and supports script well, which version would i want? 17:10:59 im willing to change 17:11:20 pick a standard (not even joking) 17:11:25 i use chicken & gambit and they're ok for that 17:11:32 r5rs 17:11:45 but there are a bunch of schemes and most handle scirpts just fine 17:11:56 jyaan: Can I make a suggestion? I think you ought to spend a little bit more time composing each of your messages, and try to incorporate a complete thought into each one of them. 17:12:00 for whatever reason ppl always seem to have problems w/ mit 17:12:36 The constant typos and corrections, along with half-finished messages, shift much of the burden of assembling your proto-thoughts into a complete message onto the reader. 17:12:40 chandler: i'm not trying to give an answer, just something i noticed in general 17:12:47 ill look into gambit. i dont think i could take myself seriously putting "chicken scheme" as a language for a programming competition 17:13:04 Why? Chicken is a serious implementation. 17:13:10 It's no less a serious name than, say, Python. 17:13:31 jyaan: This is something I've noticed in general too. 17:13:49 chandler: you have a point. i suppose its all in my head 17:14:20 jyaan: Over the past five days, you've produced roughly 2/5ths of the messages in the channel. It's a bit excessive. 17:15:18 sorry about that 17:16:47 not hard to believe though -- not much activity here throughout most of the day 17:17:34 Silence is better than some alternatives. 17:21:25 chandler pasted "quick-and-dirty user verbosity tool" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/114058 17:22:14 Hm. The first comment there is obviously unfinished. 17:26:41 eeek, indiana-style! 17:27:15 Hm? 17:27:30 (define f (lambda (x) x)) 17:27:34 jlongster [~user@adsl-074-237-021-118.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 17:27:34 that's indiana style 17:27:40 MIT style is (define (f x) x) 17:27:51 Oh. Guilty as charged. 17:28:54 tonyg [~tonyg@navarone.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:30:40 kar8nga [~kar8nga@78.104.81.223] has joined #scheme 17:31:42 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.95.15] has joined #scheme 17:34:23 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@70-36-245-104.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 17:34:36 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 17:37:48 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:58 Belaf [~campedel@194.209.131.192] has joined #scheme 17:40:06 -!- saint_cypher [~rjspotter@70-36-245-104.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:14 -!- Belaf [~campedel@194.209.131.192] has left #scheme 17:42:03 edw [~user@64.134.241.230] has joined #scheme 17:42:52 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 17:45:35 Is there anything like balance-paren-mode for MIT Scheme's Edwin? 17:48:07 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:59:43 githogori [~githogori@11.sub-75-208-254.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 18:15:26 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:15:31 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:17:39 edw: I believe edwin comes with paredit-mode 18:20:24 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:37 saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:25:33 -!- hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:08 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has joined #scheme 18:26:22 -!- authorblues_work [827f317b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.127.49.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29:15 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 18:34:13 -!- tonyg [~tonyg@navarone.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:39:07 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 19:00:44 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:00:48 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:02:03 Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 19:02:23 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:04:31 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-228-120.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:08:01 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:41 -!- kniu [~kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:22 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:14:38 -!- githogori [~githogori@11.sub-75-208-254.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:18:26 -!- easy4 [~easy4@c-174-60-36-128.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: easy4] 19:26:29 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: groovy2shoes] 19:27:08 -!- copumpkin is now known as NaturalTransform 19:27:24 -!- NaturalTransform is now known as NattransSalad 19:28:17 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:28:56 githogori [~githogori@249.sub-75-208-48.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 19:29:52 -!- NattransSalad is now known as copumpkin 19:32:15 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@78.104.81.223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:20 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.95.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:12 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 19:45:08 -!- hhomar [~hhomar@78.145.131.15] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 19:52:24 seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 19:59:27 -!- edw [~user@64.134.241.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:08:04 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-228.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:20:47 schmir [~schmir@p54A90976.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:23:46 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 20:25:33 -!- Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-19-234-140.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: I bless your computer, my child.] 20:28:17 MIT Scheme has a `--batch-mode' option, which `mit-scheme --help' shows... 20:30:04 minion: memo for edw: I don't know what this `balance-paren-mode' of which you spoke is, but Edwin has a paredit mode, entered just like in GNU Emacs. 20:30:04 Remembered. I'll tell edw when he/she/it next speaks. 20:31:37 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@70-36-245-104.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 20:34:34 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:35:48 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:51:57 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 20:54:20 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@g229217046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:55:48 pygospa [~pygospa@g225237096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 21:25:44 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-228-120.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:25:50 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:11 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-228.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:02 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 21:44:24 edw [~user@pool-141-158-49-219.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:45:39 edw` [~user@pool-141-158-49-219.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:46:40 -!- edw [~user@pool-141-158-49-219.phil.east.verizon.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:46:56 -!- edw` is now known as edw 21:46:57 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 21:47:01 edw: Boo. 21:47:31 Riastradh: Yo. 21:47:31 edw, memo from Riastradh: I don't know what this `balance-paren-mode' of which you spoke is, but Edwin has a paredit mode, entered just like in GNU Emacs. 21:48:26 Yes, I noticed that, but it's sometimes nice to know which open paren a given paren closes. 21:48:54 `C-M-b C-M-f' will blink that for you. 21:49:09 There's no analogue of Show Paren Mode, though. 21:49:23 Cool. Imperfect but sufficient. 21:49:27 -!- Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:51:19 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5adafe9d.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 21:52:21 -!- _mpu [~mpu@unaffiliated/-mpu/x-0307768] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:33 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@36-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 21:59:47 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:48 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15:31 -!- edw [~user@pool-141-158-49-219.phil.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:15:41 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #scheme 22:17:51 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:18:04 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 22:18:07 hello there 22:18:29 anyone knows a scheme library or tool to create 2D/3D animations? 22:20:47 -!- jlongster [~user@adsl-074-237-021-118.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:21:36 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-0-92.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 22:22:04 araujo: maybe take a look at fluxus 22:23:49 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:22 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:23 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-56-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:32 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-251-1.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:29:13 homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-251-1.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:29:42 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 22:36:42 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A90976.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:28 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:52:10 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-9-160.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 22:52:42 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-36-223.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:03 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:04:50 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:11:33 -!- fowlduck [~fowlduck@2002:4547:f82e:0:fa1e:dfff:fed7:9dc1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:12 -!- klovett [~klovett@adsl-69-226-233-57.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #scheme 23:16:05 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-53-82-65-37-42.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:16:19 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:20:25 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 23:28:26 NNshag [user@lns-bzn-21-82-64-80-169.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:08 -!- samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:43:07 Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:43:22 -!- Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:46:09 -!- IJP [~Ian@host109-154-210-141.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:47:01 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.169] has joined #scheme 23:54:04 Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-19-234-140.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:54:22 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 23:57:02 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]