00:03:50 -!- kniu [~kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:49 offby1` [~user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 00:13:09 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:13:44 abhinav [~abhinav@122.172.4.101] has joined #scheme 00:14:15 -!- offby1` is now known as offbby1 00:14:17 -!- offbby1 is now known as offby1 00:14:42 -!- offby1 [~user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:14:42 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 00:15:34 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@2607:f2c0:f00e:500:222:15ff:fe91:b24c] has joined #scheme 00:18:06 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/260685/what-is-the-best-scheme-implementation-for-working-through-sicp 00:18:08 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/34ljyhl 00:18:19 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 00:19:03 laurus [~laurus@c-68-40-207-109.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:19:11 MIT scheme apparently has a package for SICP compatibility that needs to be loaded 00:19:40 Yes, but how??! :| 00:20:01 I'm feeling pretty stupid now, but I can't find anything about it in the MIT Scheme documentation 00:20:27 Except: "Following this there may be additional version numbers for specific subsystems. F' refers to the scode optimization program sf, iar' is the native-code compiler, dwin' is the Emacs-like text editor, and tudent' is the S&ICP compatibility package." 00:21:40 Hmm, copy and paste didn't work very well there... 00:22:20 kniu [~kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:25:47 can't find it either. :9 00:25:58 MIT scheme was never intended for use by humans. 00:27:17 :( 00:28:22 -!- laurus [~laurus@c-68-40-207-109.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #scheme 00:35:28 seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:36:18 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:40:53 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-33-56.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:41:57 snappy [~naveen@armakuni.lastninja.net] has joined #scheme 00:43:42 http://objectmix.com/scheme/186495-any-special-support-sicp-gnu-mit-scheme-plt-scheme.html 00:43:43 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/34gax3z 00:44:26 what parts of sicp give any friction? i'm currently using chicken (per Quadrescence's rec) 00:44:39 but i am still in chapter 1 *n00b* 00:45:17 jyaan [~jyaan@c-98-250-102-194.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:45:28 so am I. Am using the sicp mode of scm 00:45:28 Quadrescence should publish one of his own implementations as a 'scheme to use for sicp' *ducks* 00:45:32 scm-sicp 00:46:20 FurnaceBoy: IIRC, there are just a couple of trivial functions 00:46:33 I'm trying to get the picture language to work, in section 2.2.4 00:47:23 I found this: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/psets/ps4hnd/readme.html but it fails to load in MIT Scheme 9.0.1 00:48:10 -!- kniu [~kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:18 http://objectmix.com/scheme/185897-getting-set-up-learn-some-scheme-mit-scheme-sicp.html#post658053 00:48:19 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/297zp9g 00:48:40 seems 6.001 swithed from MIT Scheme to PLT 00:48:57 ... in 2006 00:48:58 ugh my dumb sicp book is too old to have correct section numbering (1985) 00:50:06 s/PLT/DrScheme/ now DrRacket 00:50:48 tried to get chicken working on windosw todays 00:50:51 today* 00:51:04 windows didn't even boot so that didn't work out lol 00:55:43 -!- mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:05 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@g229216071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:11:27 pygospa [~pygospa@g225195072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 01:16:01 OEP [~OEP@c-76-27-129-70.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:16:55 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:22:51 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:04 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:27:41 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:56 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:37:55 -!- FurnaceBoy [~FurnaceBo@ns2.smartgames.ca] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:40:05 FurnaceBoy [~FurnaceBo@ns2.smartgames.ca] has joined #scheme 01:43:11 Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 01:43:49 -!- Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 01:46:33 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-220-52.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:46:40 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-220-52.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:49:26 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:49:55 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:55:18 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:58 -!- mmc [~michal@93-39-32-196.ip74.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:02:21 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 02:08:03 -!- klovett [~klovett@adsl-69-226-233-57.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #scheme 02:08:37 -!- jyaan [~jyaan@c-98-250-102-194.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:12:09 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 02:12:33 So I have the little schemer and it states null? is defined only for lists. However my interpreter doesn't agree and instead returns #f if the argument isn't a list. Really new to scheme here, I'm wondering if anyone has any insight as to why they said it isn't defined. 02:14:38 I'm not exactly sure, but The Little Schemer does lie a few times like that; I suppose because it doesn't fit the more "pure" idea of null? that he's trying to instill in the reader 02:15:58 There's nothing terribly misleading in anything he says through, from my experience (IANAExpertSchemer) 02:16:14 s/through/though/ 02:16:47 snappy: While you're correct in this instance (`null?' is defined on non-lists), it's a bad idea to extrapolate from implementation behavior. 02:16:58 Even if it wasn't defined, your implementation would be free to return #f on non-list inputs. 02:17:22 The Little Schemer uses a dialect of Scheme that doesn't correspond exactly to any of the RnRS reports. Treat it as a definition of its own dialect, if you like. 02:28:25 Delita [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:31:11 Actually, more interesting is the way they define atom? in the book as: (define atom? (lambda (x) (and (not (pair? x)) (not (null? x))) -- so I thought it was a bit contradictory to the law. 02:31:16 But yeah, I guess a little lie doesn't hurt. 02:34:16 Rakko [~rakko@71-90-73-192.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:34:21 DrDuck [~duck@24-197-18-161.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:34:46 Do Schemes all allow semicolon comments to occur on the same line as code? 02:36:23 I'm trying to use a program called scmindent.scm to indent my code, but it chokes on lines that have (code ...) ; comment 02:39:35 Also, how does the code -- ":";exec mzscheme -r $0 -- at the beginning of the script work? Is it like a #! line? 02:40:14 End-of-line comments like that should work; they have on every Scheme I've used 02:41:02 that's what I suspected 02:41:12 But, I only use Emacs to edit code, the indentation works fine there, and I haven't used mzscheme so I can't help you there 02:42:04 do you Emacs for anything besides editing (e.g. REPL)? 02:42:33 Yeah, using "run-scheme" 02:42:48 It's not great (Like SLIME for Common Lisp), but it's good 02:43:14 geiser is cool too, but it seems kind of quirky 02:43:19 actively developed though 02:44:08 cool 02:44:36 so is ":";exec mzscheme -r $0 mzscheme/racket-specific? Or some sort of standard? 02:44:41 that notation, I mean 02:45:05 Yes, I would assume so. I've never seen it before 02:45:20 it *looks* like it's intended to tell the shell how to run it... but the shell only understands #! 02:45:55 I've used shebang lines with guile, but my other Scheme efforts have been REPL-only 02:52:15 jyaan [~jyaan@c-98-250-102-194.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:52:32 timj [~timj@e176193130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:52:45 well i've more or less got my define-syntax issues worked out w/ gambit-c 02:53:12 cool 02:53:22 basically i have to compile syntax-rules/case stuff separately if i want to use #!key arguments or anything like that 02:54:21 interesting... "The most flexible way to create an executable script file is to trampoline through /bin/sh, using a #| ... |# block-comment trick to make the first few lines parseable by both /bin/sh and mzscheme." 02:54:28 or use black hole 02:54:48 where's that article? 02:55:06 hm 02:55:07 http://linux.die.net/man/1/mzscheme 02:55:13 i.e. man mzscheme 02:55:19 i guess so you could provide your own options to the interpreter that way? 02:55:23 yeah 02:55:35 or you could just make a separate script lol 02:55:51 jyaan: I was just asking here what the notation ":";exec mzscheme -r $0 at the beginning of an mzscheme program means 02:55:58 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176193129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:55:59 literally _everyone_ makes a little script to put in /usr/bin 02:56:07 oh ok 02:56:25 do you know? is it used by drscheme or something? 02:56:43 that is the whole first line? 02:56:57 well i konw the part after ; is just bash 02:57:05 yes 02:57:07 not sure what : does 02:57:35 oh wait i know 02:57:41 it means "true" 02:57:41 oh, WOW 02:57:50 it actually *does* allow you to run it from sh 02:57:56 yea 02:58:00 yeah... ok, I get it 02:58:17 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:33 so basically ":"; would have to be a null command 02:58:41 like pass in python i guess? 02:58:48 yeah 02:59:10 ok, one mystery solved... sorry, I have no idea what #!key arguments are, so I can't help you 02:59:20 http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bourne-Shell-Builtins.html 02:59:21 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/269ays4 02:59:39 this explains it 03:00:08 thanks 03:00:24 yea bash is a pretty funky language 03:00:46 it's got some neat stuff but it just isn't all that "high level" imo 03:00:58 probably cause it's so old, but then again, scheme is pretty old too.. 03:01:20 even older i tihnk lol 03:01:33 I'd like to read about the history of the Bourne shell 03:01:47 not that much to it i guess 03:01:50 like whether it grew out of a much simpler language that was used on the command line 03:01:57 oh 03:01:59 or if it was designed from the ground up to support scripts 03:02:00 well sh was first 03:02:07 I know there was a shell before sh 03:02:14 yea it was called shell 03:02:28 sorry 03:02:44 that's not it 03:02:50 I'm reading a book on sed and awk, which is interesting because it gives me a feel for the state of scripting languages 20 years ago or so 03:02:54 anyways a unix history page should tell you 03:03:13 sort of, those are different kinds of scirpting languages 03:03:17 very specialized 03:03:22 and it's fun to notice things in awk that were adopted by perl, and then by ruby 03:03:27 the idea was to stitch all kinds of stuff together 03:03:55 so bash would use all kinds of different programs rather than have a standard library like python does 03:04:02 yeah 03:04:09 if you need regexps, then use egrep 03:04:10 stuff like that 03:04:12 and everything is basically text 03:04:42 it's pretty interesting to think about 03:04:56 like where programming languages will be in even just 10 yeras 03:05:06 i think probably the OOP fad will die off quite a bit 03:05:17 and functional programming will start to become the "in" thing 03:05:17 I dunno about that 03:05:27 i don't really mean "die" so much 03:05:37 god I hope so 03:05:53 more like ppl not overhyping old ideas in a shiny new hip package 03:06:08 but anywasy, they'll probably do that with fp next 03:06:21 and then actor model or csp or something with multicore 03:06:25 maybe through f# 03:06:38 does that have OO properties? It's basically like OCaml, right? 03:06:46 yea sort of 03:07:00 fp is close to math at least, OOP seems like glorified fuzzy thinking 03:07:06 lol 03:08:03 i wish that lisps would get more credit so i could use them at work more 03:08:32 but if that happened it would probably be somethnig like lisp crossbred with java 03:08:39 clojure? 03:08:41 and totally ruin it for me, so maybe things are better off 03:08:50 well i mean lisp without all the freedom 03:09:00 not many jobs for it yet, but more than scheme maybe 03:09:15 i think it's been used in android a bit 03:09:25 i keep hearing about it in relation to android at least 03:09:35 f# looks nice, I might take a job at a C# shop (dread ...), but maybe could sneak in f# 03:09:42 haha 03:09:42 I keep seeing ads in gmail for some sort of FP job 03:09:59 well .net isn't hard to "sneak in" other languages 03:10:19 for example, you could program boo code and it's pretty much equivalent to C# assemblies 03:10:33 hm 03:10:37 Rakko: The problem is how to start a random command as a script, you can do that by specifying where the command is, but that's not too convenient for programs that don't have a standard place, 03:10:55 Rakko: The trick that you're referring to will start /bin/sh, which will go on to parse the file, 03:11:16 so the ":" skips over checking for a #! or osmething? 03:11:29 Rakko: Then, it treats the ":" as a no-op, and the following ; as a separator with the command to actually run -- therefore executing mzscheme (or racket). 03:11:36 this is what the ad I keep seeing is for: http://www.janestreet.com/technology/ocaml.php 03:11:54 And when racket starts, it should treat the part after the ; as a comment therefore ignoring it. 03:11:57 ocaml is a pretty good language, wouldn't mind working with it at all 03:12:13 i still prefer scheme though 03:12:15 yeah, I get it now, eli 03:12:26 Rakko: There's a punch line, 03:12:53 It should also treat the ":" as a toplevel value to be ignored, but in the racket language ("#lang racket") it will print the result of such values -- which makes that particular trick not a good one. 03:12:55 Ive had a hard time using ocaml since I started learning haskell 03:13:02 The "#|" trick is therefore better. 03:13:12 oh 03:13:24 somnium: opposite for me lol 03:13:27 what are the "languages" in racket? 03:13:32 (Yeah, it's leftovers from older days) 03:13:33 To see a description of various options, including batch files, go to http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/scripts.html 03:13:34 i started looking at haskell, but then found ocaml 03:13:44 now it's kind of hard to get into haskell 03:13:45 jyaan: the SDL and openGL bindings are really top notch for haskell 03:13:53 Rakko: languages in racket is the thing that follows "#lang" on the first line of a file. 03:13:54 and the docs are good, ocaml docs are awful 03:14:01 in comparison 03:14:04 ocaml docs aren't that bad 03:14:10 it's got a doc browser 03:14:12 eli: right, but which ones are available? is there a list? 03:14:17 they probably intended for people to use that 03:14:22 ofc if they don't know about it... 03:14:43 it doesnt have hoogle ... 03:15:29 Rakko: There's no real list since in a way, every module can be treated as a language. In practice there are certain ones that are intended to be used as such, but we don't have a list of that yet. 03:15:42 Scheme2012: lazy immutable scheme with typeclasses 03:16:10 eli: so they are modules? but they are all basically Scheme, right? 03:17:16 Rakko: Most are in the `scheme' language or in the `racket' one, which are similar to scheme, but are not exactly scheme. 03:17:35 To get a rough estimate of names that could be used as languages: find . -name lang -type d | sed 's_/lang__;s_^\./__' 03:17:48 (run that in the "collects" directory.) 03:19:42 ok, thanks 03:20:47 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:13 if :keywords were in the scheme spec, would syntax-rules still take (keywords ...) ? 03:26:17 eli: you work on Racket? 03:27:37 I noticed a bug in the tutorial slideshow 03:27:49 Rakko: have you watched Yaron Minsky's video talks on ocaml? very basic material, but he's an enthusiastic presenter 03:28:08 Rakko: I began to get seduced by ocaml but Quadrescence firmly waved me towards haskell 03:28:12 no 03:28:18 Rakko: I can find a link 03:28:21 thanks 03:28:26 I saw the the ones that were on YCombinator, about design 03:28:35 are there others? I enjoyed the one I saw 03:29:20 Rakko: http://ocaml.janestreet.com/?q=node/61 , http://ocaml.janestreet.com/?q=node/82 but these are at a very lite level 03:29:28 -!- abhinav [~abhinav@122.172.4.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29:43 somnium: they may not satisfy anyone looking for technical depth 03:29:56 somnium: I imagine they're a part of JaneSt's recruitment strategy 03:30:11 Rakko: Yes, I can fix the bug if you tell me what it is. 03:33:23 Ok, eli. In initial-ones.rkt, both instances of "tutorial-show.ss" should be "tutorial-show.rkt" 03:34:30 Does the require form automatically translate .ss to .rkt? Because tutorial-show.rkt has (require "initial-ones.ss"), but there is only .rkt, not .ss 03:35:45 But inside the slideshow, clicking on the .ss causes the show to quit. 03:35:48 man, lexically-scoped hygienic macros are the greatest thing since sliced bread, still haven't bootstrapped but my reader looks like its written with Parsec 03:36:15 why did I ever love defmacro so 03:37:02 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-63-152.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:38:44 -!- DrDuck [~duck@24-197-18-161.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:39:32 Rakko: Yes, that's a bug. Requiring "foo.ss" will actually use "foo.rkt" if it exists, which is needed for backward compatibility. 03:39:44 But when it tries to open the file it will obviously fail. 03:41:06 Yaron Minsky = any relation to Marvin? 03:41:38 No. 03:42:08 (At least not something that Yaron has ever talked about, if there is a relation...) 03:42:39 abhinav [~abhinav@nat/cisco/x-gvkogyuktiyyqtyi] has joined #scheme 04:00:03 Rakko: fixed. 04:00:15 kewl :) 04:15:13 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Ah-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa--OOOF!] 04:46:27 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-63-152.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 04:51:53 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 04:52:24 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:53:10 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:00:08 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:03:11 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:10:18 -!- mhoye [~mhoye@shell.off.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:18:30 mhoye [~mhoye@shell.off.net] has joined #scheme 05:33:01 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 05:44:29 -!- FurnaceBoy [~FurnaceBo@ns2.smartgames.ca] has quit [Quit: delirious] 05:46:27 -!- luz [~davids@201.17.88.176] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 06:05:31 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-63-152.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:09:05 -!- hosh_office [~hosh@c-71-204-27-0.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:09:26 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:09:35 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 06:12:37 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.153.174] has joined #scheme 06:18:48 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:16 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-12-143.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 06:36:01 -!- abhinav [~abhinav@nat/cisco/x-gvkogyuktiyyqtyi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43:48 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45:17 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 06:56:55 abhinav [~abhinav@122.172.4.101] has joined #scheme 07:04:26 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-12-143.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:54 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-12-143.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 07:13:33 lbc [~lbc@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #scheme 07:22:21 lucca [~lucca@kuu.accela.net] has joined #scheme 07:22:51 OK, this mystifies me... 07:23:35 Ohhhh 07:23:41 '() isn't false? 07:25:15 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:25:18 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 07:25:31 Rakko: the only false value in scheme is #f 07:25:41 ok 07:26:12 I'm trying to debug a program that has (and paren-stack (car paren-stack)) 07:26:25 but it fails when paren-stack is '() 07:26:57 use pair? 07:27:08 (and (pair? p) (car p)) 07:27:35 I'm unsure of the desired semantics 07:28:14 it fails because of what? car'ing from the empty list? 07:28:18 yes 07:28:30 this script was written in 1999... is it possible that (car '()) was legal then? 07:28:35 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-12-143.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:48 car from the empty list was never ever legal 07:29:01 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-12-143.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 07:29:20 hmmmmm 07:29:21 where does paren-stack come from? 07:29:50 maybe the author assumed that it would either be #f or a non empty list and the program flow before that ensured this 07:30:41 the program is http://evalwhen.com/scmindent/scmindent.scm 07:30:44 could be 07:31:44 as to where paren-stack comes from... hmm, I'm not totally sure, but it's defined as '() and then stuff gets added to it 07:33:33 I added pair? and the line I was working with passed through 07:35:36 but now it does nothing when run from the shell 07:37:04 ah, it choked on the #lang scheme line I added... hmm. 07:39:31 Shouldn't the racket command-line program be able to deal with the #lang scheme directive, as the GUI does? I don't see why they would make that not work on the command line. 07:40:54 Rakko: works for me. What did you try precisely? (maybe #racket is better, I dunno) 07:41:14 some things might need gracket rather than racket 07:41:29 oh, I keep forgetting about #racket 07:44:17 just a moment and I will show you 07:44:56 basically at the very top I wrote #lang scheme 07:45:01 kar8nga [~kar8nga@j-3.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #scheme 07:45:15 but then when I ran the program and piped a scheme source file to it, nothing happened 07:45:23 when I removed #lang scheme, it worked 07:46:08 it sounds like the problem is between two input files versus 1 rather than anything about #lang? 07:46:31 do you really mean "piped"? 07:49:20 well actually I used the shell < operator 07:49:39 ~/bin/scmindent2.scm < Scripts/paths.scm 07:49:41 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.153.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:50 and also racket -r ~/bin/scmindent2.scm < Scripts/paths.scm -- with the same results 07:49:57 there's only one input file 07:51:10 oic. ok, no idea then. 07:51:42 it works for you? 07:52:02 I wonder if bash is confused because the first line starts with #, but it's not a hash bang 07:52:55 nope, that's not it 07:58:42 Rakko: what works for me is e.g. http://paste.debian.net/86466/ 07:59:59 hmm 08:00:02 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 08:02:14 hi rdd 08:03:06 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-12-143.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:58 dzhus [~sphinx@89-178-128-219.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 08:14:34 night 08:14:41 -!- Rakko [~rakko@71-90-73-192.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Rakko] 08:23:29 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 08:27:49 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:04 -!- wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-220-52.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:32:13 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-220-52.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:36:13 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:39:40 mmc [~michal@93-39-32-196.ip74.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 08:42:11 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:50 minion: memo for Rakko: piping a module into racket this way is not doing what you think it should -- it basically just evaluates the module but doesn't invoke it. For command-line use, it's best to just pass the file as the single argument to avoid confusion. 08:47:50 Remembered. 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(foo v1 ...)). This is not correct, actually, without sprinkling some syntactic closures throughout the place. It's simpler for the right-hand side, though, to be ((letrec ((foo (lambda (a1 ...) body ...))) foo) v1 ...), or ((rec (foo a1 ...) body ...) v1 ...), which perhaps better illustrates the connection to vanilla LET. 16:24:18 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27:14 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29:55 jao [~user@83.50.71.238] has joined #scheme 16:34:28 -!- geirr [~geirr@cm-84.215.181.161.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: God's away on Business.] 16:34:48 geirr [~geirr@cm-84.215.181.161.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 16:35:33 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:03 is kawa the only scheme for jvm? 16:46:20 There's also SISC 16:46:28 and are there are that work well on javame for example 16:46:48 basically i'm interested in scheme on phones 16:47:06 for iphone i use gambit 16:47:14 non-jvm ofc 16:47:27 but i'm curious about what i can do 16:48:01 i'll check out those 2 anyways 16:49:11 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:49:30 they probably aren't designed for that sort of thing though 16:50:04 maybe it would be possible to use the jni to set up something for native scheme cdoe 16:50:06 code* 16:50:33 on android 16:50:51 I heard that stuff is pretty undocumented/unportable 16:51:02 on android? 16:51:08 In general 16:51:09 they made an "ndk" 16:51:15 ohhaha 16:51:16 Kawa does not implement Scheme. 16:51:22 Neither does JScheme. 16:51:24 oh it's a different language? 16:51:25 -!- wingo_ [~wingo@cpe-76-166-198-241.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51:25 :( 16:51:28 Yes. 16:51:29 There's a JScheme? 16:51:35 oh well 16:51:45 Yes, sjamaan. However, despite its name, what it implements is not Scheme. 16:51:50 :) 16:52:00 JAlmostScheme 16:52:01 does it have continuations at least? 16:52:04 In particular (at least, the last time I checked), JScheme and Kawa neither provide first-class continuations nor guarantee proper tail recursion. 16:52:11 yea figures =/ 16:52:26 kind of silly really, just convert to CPS 16:52:39 solves both problems, really 16:53:52 i guess if none are really scheme i might as well try jni or maybe even just play with clojure 16:54:08 SISC implements Scheme. 16:54:11 oh wait, bigloo 16:54:20 almost forgot about that 16:54:23 Bigloo didn't implement Scheme when I last checked. 16:54:30 it's pretty close i thought 16:55:00 tho ultimately i don't know 21:35:40 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 21:35:40 21:35:40 -!- names: ccl-logbot seangrove rtra pygospa fradgers- Jafet kniu stepnem DrDuck wbooze martinhex homie atomx Mandar jonrafkind lbc RageOfThou mejja FurnaceBoy mjonsson 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