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[~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:05:52 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 12:11:59 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:45 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 12:25:06 alinrus [~alinrus@188.24.50.242] has joined #scheme 13:05:08 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 13:14:23 -!- SinDoc [~SinDoc@213.49.145.54] has left #scheme 13:24:04 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-138-23.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:31:13 kingping [~kp@95.70.88.171] has joined #scheme 13:31:18 Hello ! 13:31:36 -!- ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@2607:f2c0:f00e:500:222:15ff:fe91:b24c] has quit [Quit: Dist-upgrade to OpenSUSE 11.2 in progress!] 13:33:13 Is there a portable way to import an arbitrary srfi module across different scheme implementations which conform to R^6RS? E. g. in Racket it's done like this: (import (srfi :19)), but in Ypsilon it's implemented the other way: (import (srfi srfi-19)). 13:37:21 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@2607:f2c0:f00e:500:222:15ff:fe91:b24c] has joined #scheme 13:47:26 chittoor [~rajesh@218.248.84.91] has joined #scheme 13:50:15 -!- bremner [~bremner@yantan.tethera.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 13:50:30 bremner [~bremner@yantan.tethera.net] has joined #scheme 13:50:37 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 14:24:36 -!- kingping [~kp@95.70.88.171] has quit [Quit: Vale.] 14:37:22 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:45:20 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 14:45:51 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:52:34 _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #scheme 15:03:01 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 15:14:40 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 15:50:40 saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 15:55:41 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:02:46 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-40-82-251-179-32.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:14:46 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-45-82-65-148-10.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 16:18:24 -!- Nils^ [steele@beegees.mtveurope.org] has left #scheme 16:21:28 -!- alinrus [~alinrus@188.24.50.242] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:09 Toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-109-7.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 16:29:57 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:50 -!- _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:35:51 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:42:44 -!- chittoor [~rajesh@218.248.84.91] has quit [Quit: This client just died] 16:47:46 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 16:52:36 alinrus [~alinrus@188.24.50.242] has joined #scheme 17:12:59 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-229-186.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:22:32 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-6-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26:31 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 17:28:23 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-157.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:30 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-157.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 17:29:16 _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #scheme 17:35:08 -!- _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:19 _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #scheme 17:51:39 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 17:51:41 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Quit: Goin' away] 18:01:15 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc4-midd16-2-0-cust402.midd.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 18:02:14 saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-THIRTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:05:05 -!- `26 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/26/x-1186543] has quit [] 18:06:23 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 18:06:50 -!- fod [~fod@92.251.255.5.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:54 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:12:50 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 18:15:10 cpr420 [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 18:20:30 nickdaly` [~user@24-196-91-126.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:22:24 -!- _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:59 hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 18:34:26 pumpkin [~copumpkin@94.167.64.173] has joined #scheme 18:35:40 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@94.165.19.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:01 -!- pumpkin is now known as copumpkin 18:37:22 fod [~fod@92.251.255.7.threembb.ie] has joined #scheme 18:37:45 _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #scheme 18:38:57 metasyntax pasted "letrec" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/113549 18:42:37 Several Scheme systems (Chibi, Chicken, Guile, Gauche) yield 8 for this code. Gambit gives an error because 'double' is unbound when binding 'foo', and MIT Scheme gives an error for a premature reference to 'double'. 18:43:38 All of those implementations are correct. The only thing you can expect from this code is nasal demons. 18:46:02 -!- _Pb [~pb@75.131.194.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:47:20 racket says 8 too. 18:47:56 rudybot: eval ((lambda (f) (letrec ((double (lambda (n) (* n 2))) (foo (apply f (list double)))) (foo 2))) (lambda (g) (lambda (n) (g (g n))))) 18:47:57 *offby1: ; Value: 8 18:48:00 Racket makes this program not an error as its `letrec' follows the semantics of what the R6RS calls `letrec*'. 18:48:55 Yes, that makes perfect sense. Too bad there's no letrec* in R5RS. Or Gambit, as it were. :-) 18:50:15 I was trying to steal some code which was written for PLT to make coroutines from continuations; I'll just have to see if I can tweak it a bit. 18:50:17 I assume there's a more complex case you have in mind where simply using `let*' doesn't work? 18:50:27 Ah. 18:52:17 Namely from http://schemecookbook.org/view/Cookbook/CoRoutines - I'll take a step back and make sure I understand how it works before I try to drop it in and use it. 18:52:46 chandler annotated #113549 "Something like this might help" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/113549#1 18:56:35 chandler: Indeed! Thank you much! 18:58:27 xissburg [~chatzilla@187.3.9.164] has joined #scheme 19:04:03 The MIT Scheme manual also gives a hint to use delay/force, which works well while still looking reasonable in the code. 19:06:39 -!- nickdaly` [~user@24-196-91-126.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:07:52 have anyone here got to make eclipse+schemeway+gambit work? 19:07:54 nickdaly [~user@24-196-91-126.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:09:05 *offby1* laughs cruelly 19:09:10 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@28.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:09:19 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 19:09:25 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:26:26 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:27:05 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc4-midd16-2-0-cust402.midd.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:31:46 soupdragon [~quantum@unaffiliated/fax] has joined #scheme 19:36:44 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 19:39:11 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 19:54:09 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:57:56 -!- certainty|home [~closure@dslc-082-082-134-143.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:08:18 eormap [~eormap@89.252.25.24] has joined #scheme 20:10:35 schmir [~schmir@p54A90CFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:16:06 tommylommykins [~tommylomm@5ad471cc.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 20:16:37 hmm 20:16:57 out of interest, is there any reason why there is not a different? predicate in Scheme? 20:17:04 it seems like a very scheme thing to do 20:17:22 and feels a lot nicer than (not value).. 20:17:47 * (not (equal this that)) 20:17:54 *equal? 20:20:21 You'd need three types of different? 20:20:23 That's nasty 20:20:28 tommylommykins: You'd have to define quite several additional functions: neq? neqv? nequal? /= nchar=? nstring=? ... 20:20:34 ..there's already four types of equals? 20:20:39 diffq?, diffv?, different? 20:21:20 diffq looks somewhat common-lispish 20:21:28 yeah :/ 20:21:54 weird? freaky? alien? 20:22:30 but just staring at some code, (if (different? last-seen-edge enable)) looks a lot sexier than (if (not (eq? last-seen-edge enable))) 20:22:44 The only one of those I'd use is /= (or != or <> to preference) just for the mathematical meaning. 20:23:29 tommylommykins: You're free to define it 20:24:00 hmm 20:24:17 maybe it is because other languages have a nonequality operator that I want it in scheme 20:28:53 rudybot: eval (define different? (compose not equal?)) 20:28:58 rudybot: eval (different? 1 2) 20:28:58 *offby1: ; Value: #t 20:29:00 rudybot: eval (different? 1 1) 20:29:00 *offby1: ; Value: #f 20:32:24 hmm, then again, restricting myself to just using not-equality could be a bit rigid? 20:32:41 If there's a concept that could be represented with its own properly-named predicate, then I can use that? 20:32:47 rather than just different? 20:32:52 hmm 20:32:59 even if the code is just the same? 20:34:53 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A90CFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:38:57 *tommylommykins* notes that not understanding things fully, and not expressing them well on IRC == no responses 20:43:09 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc4-midd16-2-0-cust402.midd.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 20:48:10 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-75-17-124-50.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:50:46 _danb_ [~user@203-158-56-227.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 20:51:15 unless different? is what you want, you can always (define-syntax unless (syntax-rules () ((unless p a) (unless p a #f)) ((unless p a b) (if p b a)))) and use (unless (equal? last-seen-edge enable) ...) 20:59:26 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-THIRTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:02:24 saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-56-178.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 23:39:59 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 23:39:59 23:39:59 -!- names: ccl-logbot RageOfThou acarrico dfkjjkfd saccade_ rbarraud wbooze homie copumpkin nickdaly` antoszka tessier _danb_ tommylommykins pchrist soupdragon fod cpr420 alinrus Toekutr Nshag mbohun bgs100 bremner ToxicFrog hohoho preflex pdelgallego pigoz pavelludiq e-future masm jmcphers rdd Delita timj__ MichaelRaskin nego mjonsson_ sladegen summersault Riastradh saccade Baughn mhoye Adamant specbot lisppaste marienz mario-goulart Modius jay-mccarthy stepnem 23:39:59 -!- names: incubot Guest38273 offby1 ray gnomon aoh tizoc erg_ foof shardz golgotha zbigniew emma rapacity cipher elly elf felipe fda314925 broquaint Obfuscate ineiros sjamaan chiiph Hal9k askhader clog moell spacebat Khisanth yosafbridge cthuluh ASau` TE263w markatto Adrinael nowhere_man jensn bzzbzz eno gabot mornfall rotty ASau csmrfx_ metasyntax joast inimino rrm3 DerGuteMoritz z0d Axioplase_ roderic samth pjb duncanm vinnana franki^ certainty Pepe_ rudybot 23:39:59 -!- names: EbiDK kloeri niko jimrees_ zeroish lusory ecraven nasloc__ rmrfchik futilius Leonidas mbishop chandler sloyd C-Keen XTL weinholt worldhlord 23:40:07 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-63-152.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 23:46:05 -!- pavelludiq [~user@87.246.30.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:23 Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-19-234-140.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:53:41 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-106-0-142.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:53:46 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]