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02:23:52 guess I'm talking particularly about 1.9.11 02:23:59 Yup, indeed. 02:24:01 which i think is the latest one. 02:24:52 wingo & the other guile hackers have put a lot into it, and they've addressed most of the issues I had with it as well as adding some relatively rare features like delimited continuations. 02:24:54 ah, but latest chibi has type inference :) 02:25:18 I was using racket, mainly for its debugging capabilities, where guile has done at least as well. 02:25:41 It has a recursive REPL now, doesn't it? 02:25:45 *waltermai* is a relative scheme newb. 02:26:30 what does it mean for the REPL to recur? 02:26:32 I must admit that Guile was one of those implementations that I never thought would really be up to snuff, but I'm amazed at the dedication that has been put toward improving it. 02:27:46 waltermai: It means that when there is an error, a REPL is invoked in the context of the error where you can do things like inspect the current continuation, attempt to restart the computation if possible, call other functions, etc. 02:28:04 ahh, well that sounds mighty useful. 02:28:16 foof: Is there an explanation of Chibi's type inference somewhere? 02:28:27 waltermai: Try causing an error and seeing what happens. 02:28:48 chandler: I don't need to try. I'm a natural. 02:29:52 chandler: no, I just checked in the first version yesterday 02:30:16 foof: Care to provide a two sentence overview? 02:30:51 chibi-scheme -mchibi.type-inference -p"(procedure-signature cadr)" 02:31:18 (lambda # #) 02:31:57 that's (lambda ...) 02:32:29 and obviously it could be smarter, because cadr wants a pair whose cdr is also a pair 02:33:18 and i haven't added in the resolution of cyclic dependencies (e.g. return types of even? and odd?), but that's straightforward 02:34:53 this is all done in a separate module, it doesn't touch the core at all. it also only works on procedures defined in a module. 02:36:04 Can it express that the return type of `cdr' is the return type of the cdr of the pair argument? 02:37:24 not yet 02:38:26 this was originally a more long-term goal, but i was motivated to do it now so i could automatically generate test suite skeletons with reasonable sample params for all the included modules. 02:42:59 -!- asarch 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"flatter" a list in scheme?? 16:41:37 Something like @ in CL 16:41:53 ,. 16:41:57 Scheme has ` and , and @ just like Common Lisp, only they work a little better in Scheme. 16:42:09 or was it ., 16:42:26 However, Scheme does not have ,. or ., 16:42:28 nvm Riastradh pwnd me 16:42:52 I always liked `', 16:42:53 heh 16:43:52 thanks 16:44:19 pwnt 16:47:21 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:37 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 17:04:10 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 17:06:04 mmc1 [~michal@109.112.230.77] has joined #scheme 17:06:11 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:07:09 -!- mmc [~michal@109.112.245.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08:38 -!- lusory [~bart@bb119-74-154-178.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:15:31 Axioplas1_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has 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has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:49 Memory is always tight on that box. I've got to limit the number of witticisms it snarfs at startup 18:42:30 Snarf the byte offset of each witticism in the file; then seek to it and read from it on demand. 18:42:39 -!- virl__ [~virl__@178-191-165-169.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:05 mmc [~michal@109.112.65.103] has joined #scheme 18:51:31 Does anybody know of a simple bit of HTTP client code for MIT Scheme? For building requests and parsing responses. 18:52:03 Yes, there's an HTTP client in the runtime library. See runtime/http*.scm. 18:53:58 Oh, I missed that. Thanks! 18:56:01 virl [~virl__@178-191-165-169.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 18:56:22 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:59:06 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:38 cpr420 [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 19:08:40 -!- mmc [~michal@109.112.65.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:13:12 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has left #scheme 19:20:17 offby1: Or you could do the channel's SNR a favor and kill the witticisms all together... 19:22:35 aww 19:22:53 The channel's Scheme News Reader? Hmm... 19:23:10 Signal-to-noise ratio, Riastradh. 19:23:24 (Yeah, I know. Edwin's newsreader is called `SNR', though.) 19:23:28 I'd'a known what he meant faster had he said S/N as God intended 19:23:38 That I did not know, or had forgoten. 19:23:44 "forgotten". 19:24:14 offby1: Hm, I've always called it SNR. 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