00:02:14 *tommylommykins* really needs to teach himself not-scheme 00:02:31 Scheme's the language I know best 00:02:44 <- just finished my first year on a compsci course 00:03:11 *tommylommykins* is vaguely aware of the fact that he needs more than just the piece of paper saying I have a degree by the end of his course 00:03:57 *tommylommykins* notes that having a level of ability with scheme that is not-beginner is not really the biggest selling point when looking for jobs 00:04:29 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A90912.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:39 already ordered the SICP :d 00:13:05 It is available free online 00:13:15 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ 00:13:21 (just in case you didn't know) 00:13:30 *tommylommykins* prefers having a print copy 00:13:38 me to 00:14:08 is better if you need to seach stuff IMO 00:18:23 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@75.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:19:37 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:19:51 Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has joined #scheme 00:20:05 metasyntax` [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has joined #scheme 00:20:27 -!- ski [~slj@c-e812e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:20:48 -!- adregorochapimen [~adregoroc@bl17-23-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 00:22:09 -!- samth [~samth@131.107.204.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:24:41 -!- IJP_ [~Ian@86.186.179.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:24:57 IJP [~Ian@host86-186-179-58.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 00:27:11 ski [~slj@c-e812e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 00:28:21 Wait, searching is better through a dead-tree book than with "C-f"? :s 00:28:41 DrDuck [~duck@adsl-67-170-242.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 00:28:41 kuribas [~user@94-226-137-168.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 00:29:35 :/ 00:30:05 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.65] has joined #scheme 00:31:07 ;# 00:32:08 heh 00:32:14 hadronzoo [~user@24.40.129.231] has joined #scheme 00:32:26 (Apologies if that's actually a valid emotiwhatsits.) 00:32:40 the dead-tree copy had the advantage of being able to be taken on holiday for a proper read 00:33:16 I'm not against dead-tree books, but ease of searching is definitely _not_ on my list of their advantages 00:33:47 *tommylommykins* sorta also felt it was easier to absorb the information when each line wasn't rendered with a width of more than 2000 pixels 00:34:16 Most good books have indices. 00:35:30 ,graph 00:35:52 Oops! Sorry, thought this was my #emacs window. :P 00:39:53 -!- kuribas [~user@94-226-137-168.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:47:33 -!- nibiru [nibiru@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-crowwutdrwjnhijd] has quit [Quit: :/ ...] 00:56:52 -!- kniu is now known as cockblockcentral 00:57:02 -!- cockblockcentral [~kniu@pool-71-106-4-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:25 cockblockcentral [~kniu@pool-71-106-4-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:57:39 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:02:00 hmm 01:03:05 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-219.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:03:13 if I have data objects which are procedures, are there easy/standard/well-defined ways of 'printing' them in a format more usefaul than "lambda (blah) complicated-body" ? 01:03:39 -!- cockblockcentral [~kniu@pool-71-106-4-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:57 such as by evaluating some of the variables within, if they are bound within the procedure's environment? 01:04:04 cockblockcentral [~kniu@pool-71-106-4-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:04:42 -!- cockblockcentral is now known as kniu 01:04:52 or just printing "A hammer" instead of "(lambda (handle-length weight material) 'HAMMER)" 01:06:26 Or am I not making sense? 01:07:26 -!- hadronzoo [~user@24.40.129.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:09:30 you're making sense. 01:09:38 Unfortunately, the answer to your question is "generally not". 01:09:52 There might be some scheme out there somewhere that does it, but the one I use (racket) doesn't. 01:10:10 I wouldn't be surprised if guile did a good job. 01:10:15 Haven't used guile in ages, though. 01:11:00 :( 01:11:25 *tommylommykins* is just consing the print-string onto the actual data atm 01:11:38 bit of a silly hack though 01:12:22 since I need a different and bespoke apply procedure for these functions 01:12:47 You might instead associate the description with the procedure in a weak hash. 01:13:00 -!- Dawgmatix [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:15:46 kang-r-us [dbastos@189-95-194-80.3g.claro.net.br] has joined #scheme 01:15:57 -!- kang-r-us [dbastos@189-95-194-80.3g.claro.net.br] has quit [Client Quit] 01:16:26 use the procedures as the key for the association? 01:16:50 *tommylommykins* has never done that before :s 01:17:20 Why not? 01:25:21 Just never thought of it 01:25:45 *tommylommykins* doesn't hold assoc as high up as he should in his arsenal of scheme-tools 01:27:00 I don't hardly ever use it. A weak hash would be the better tool here. 01:29:31 -!- abusead [~abusead@CPE001cf068222b-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:29:53 abusead [~abusead@CPE001cf068222b-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 01:31:34 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:17 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:35:10 virl__ [~virl__@178-191-162-230.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 01:38:27 -!- virl [~virl__@178-191-166-48.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:39:17 dodge [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dodge] has joined #scheme 01:39:24 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-219.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 01:41:08 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:28 re 01:42:54 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:54 mi 01:44:04 fa 01:44:18 man, I used to be able to hit those high notes more easily. 01:44:25 Decades of cigarettes and whiskey 01:45:57 castrato yet? 01:46:14 other direction, thank God 01:46:51 just imagine the voice of Mercedes McCambridge. Or if that's too difficult for you, the voice of the possessed girl in "The Exorcist". 01:47:13 offby1 now does a convincing Nancy Sinatra (in her later years). 01:47:33 waltermai [~walt@c-68-54-64-79.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:48:06 *offby1* harrumphs 01:48:23 mi and fa should be easy for schemers. But not for C, D, C# and F# folks. 01:50:19 I have *got* to go to brazil. 01:50:21 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:39 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50:42 waltermai: are you attempting suicide? 01:51:03 saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:51:04 if I die, is that where I go? 01:51:50 Only if you are a sinner. 01:52:16 quick, where's the nearest kitten I can slaughter. 01:52:19 mario-goulart: Where do the pious go? 01:53:08 Good question. 01:55:34 -!- tommylommykins [~tommylomm@5ad471cc.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: (set! funk (+ funk 1))] 01:55:38 rudybot: Where do the pious go? 01:55:38 IJP: you have no idea how much pressure google must be under from busybody degenerates to stray from the pious blue-on-white color scheme. 01:58:20 does Scheme48 have no good way to handle errors besides srfi 34 (which is pretty bad in my opinion) 02:04:01 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:04:27 proqesi [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 02:13:18 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-219.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:24:09 -!- proqesi [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:39 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28:06 Quadrescence, there are two condition systems in Scheme48, the old one and SRFI 34/35. 02:28:12 ...as of 1.3. 02:28:16 Before that there was only the old one. 02:28:28 The old one is described in . 02:28:42 Welcome to Scheme 48 1.8 02:28:51 Riastradh: Oh, well, I've been reading that ref 02:28:51 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: snarkyboojum] 02:28:57 since it's the only thing I can find. 02:29:00 scheme48 seems to have some kinda OG street cred or something. 02:29:09 OG? 02:29:11 dodge_ [dodge@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-ogabtnighrmwplwk] has joined #scheme 02:29:16 Original Gangsta 02:29:20 waltermai: Because it's a good system 02:29:21 *Riastradh* blinks. 02:29:30 And it was made by some of the Original People like Rees 02:29:35 Quadrescence, just an observation. 02:29:39 Well Rees is more 3rd generation 02:29:49 if McCarthy is first 02:31:18 Who's the 2nd generation there? 02:32:54 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 02:35:16 is racket the only scheme that has stepped debugging? 02:35:25 MIT Scheme has a stepper. 02:35:40 I almost never use it, though. 02:35:44 does using a stepper make me lame? 02:35:54 It makes me a faster programmer, in any case. 02:36:17 Gambit has a stepper. 02:37:30 question loading aside, I'd love some opinions on how useful steppers are. 02:37:40 No, I don't think it makes you "lame". The tool wouldn't exist if it wasn't useful to somebody, probably the person who implemented it. 02:37:45 If you find it useful, use it. 02:39:05 It has also occured to me that it is not an accurate representation of how the implementation actually computes. 02:39:25 They are good for learning a new codebase. 02:39:29 at least if the implementation doesn't horribly suck and do things as redundantly as possible. 02:40:16 They're also handy for finding out what went wrong from a crash post-fact, if the system supports some sort of core files or drops you into a debugger (as gambit does). 02:40:41 But most of the time I end up printf debugging. 02:42:01 How does a stepper help with a core dump? 02:42:52 Well, the stepping (probably) doesn't help, but attaching a symbolic debugger does. 02:43:10 I was just grouping all debuggers together there, sorry. 02:48:53 -!- somnium [~user@adsl-243-5-252.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50:35 asarch [~asarch@187.132.134.176] has joined #scheme 02:50:42 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.219.210] has joined #scheme 02:51:19 -!- dodge [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dodge] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:52:31 timj_ [~timj@e176192009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:01 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:55:09 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.219.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:56:19 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176197073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:57:15 -!- dodge_ is now known as dodge 03:01:12 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.155.196.102] has joined #scheme 03:02:39 -!- abusead [~abusead@CPE001cf068222b-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:02:52 abusead [~abusead@CPE001cf068222b-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:04:02 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:07:43 Riastradh: So, in s48, is there a simple way to just bail out on error? 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Can you be more specific about your program? 15:14:11 alvatar [~alvatar@127.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 15:16:22 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:17 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 15:28:13 -!- _danb_ [~user@124.149.177.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:35 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-106-4-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:30:09 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-178.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 15:34:24 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-106-4-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:39:03 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@127.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:58 alvatar [~alvatar@127.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 15:45:54 -!- jao [~user@14.Red-88-6-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:11 snarkyboojum_ [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] 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quoted-value) ? 19:09:19 RyanRN [~Adium@129.33.192.139] has joined #scheme 19:10:31 rudybot: sandbox 19:10:31 gnomon: i'm on exherbo and sydbox, the default sandbox on it, does network sandboxing; otherwise i wouldn't even have noticed. here's what the packages does during compilation: http://git.exherbo.org/?p=arbor.git;a=blob;f=packages/app-editors/emacs/emacs.exlib 19:10:49 rudybot: eval ((lambda (x) x) '(foo bar baz quux)) 19:10:52 gnomon: your sandbox is ready 19:10:52 gnomon: ; Value: (foo bar baz quux) 19:11:42 so it turns the quoted list into an actual list? 19:12:37 The quoted list *is* an actual list, as soon as you use it. The quoting just protects it from evaluation at the point where it appears as a literal in your code. 19:13:42 hmm 19:15:50 so ('cons) is illegal because I am trying to apply the symbol cons rather than the procedure it is bound to... because the symbol cons has.... not been evaluated to represent the idea of consing yet? 19:16:01 hmm 19:16:05 *tommylommykins* needs to reread parts of SICP 19:18:41 a symbol evaluates to itself, not a function 19:20:32 tommylommykins: Compare the two phrases '"Tea" is a three letter word' and 'Tea is a three letter word' 19:20:33 Uh? No, a symbol evaluates to whatever it is bound to in the lexical environment. 19:20:58 -!- RyanRN [~Adium@129.33.192.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:27 (let ([a 5]) 'a) is 5? 19:21:50 'a isn't a symbol. 19:21:55 rudybot: eval (symbol? 'a) 19:21:57 chandler: your sandbox is ready 19:21:58 chandler: ; Value: #t 19:22:05 Gerk. 19:22:08 rudybot: eval (symbol? ''a) 19:22:08 chandler: ; Value: #f 19:22:42 so what 19:22:44 'a is syntactic sugar for (quote a), which evaluates to the symbol with the name "a". a is a symbol, which evaluates to the value bound to that symbol. 19:23:17 oh, we are talking about implementation details 19:23:22 No. 19:23:25 No, we're tlaking about evaluation rules. 19:23:37 "talking". (Insert coffee.) 19:23:39 ive never called _a_ a symbol, i call it a variable 19:23:45 i call 'a a symbol 19:23:46 rudybot: eval (define temp 'cons) 19:23:48 tommylommykins: your sandbox is ready 19:24:01 rudybot: eval (eval temp) 19:24:01 tommylommykins: ; Value: # 19:24:04 but in compiler-speak people refer to all identifiers as symbols 19:24:17 jonrafkind: But it isn't. It's a list that *evaluates* to a symbol. 19:24:23 A symbol evaluates to whatever it is bound to. 19:24:33 rudybot: eval (eval (quote cons)) 19:24:33 tommylommykins: ; Value: # 19:24:58 Saying that a symbol evaluates to itself is wrong. Other types of objects do evaluate to themselves. 19:26:06 tommylommykins: EVAL is a procedure. When Scheme evaluates (eval temp), it first finds the value of the variable TEMP, which is the procedure usually called "cons". This is then passed to EVAL. EVAL then evaluates the procedure itself, which (in this implementation) evaluates to itself. 19:27:07 rudybot: eval (eval cons) 19:27:07 tommylommykins: ; Value: # 19:27:11 rudybot: (define testvar 'outer) 19:27:15 forcer: Even worse, suppose the inner handler signals a condition that it expects the outer handler to handle. 19:27:30 rudybot: eval (define testvar 'outer) 19:27:32 hmm, in scm, (eval cons) is an error 19:27:36 -!- rudybot [~luser@2001:470:1:41:a800:ff:fe3e:cde7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:41 (eval 'cons) is not 19:28:00 That's a valid interpretation. What happens when `eval' is given an object that may not appear in literal code is up to the implementation. 19:28:04 I killed it :-( 19:28:38 Maybe it just fainted. 19:29:31 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 19:33:59 ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 19:46:00 masm [~masm@bl15-70-223.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 19:51:57 saccade [~saccade_@COMBINATOR.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:56:58 -!- tommylommykins [~tommylomm@5ad471cc.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:58:22 justicefries_ [~thefry@173-14-6-4-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:02:55 saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 20:13:38 gosh -- it's forcer 20:13:43 he kilt mah bot 20:14:01 *forcer* bows. 20:14:03 probably on orders of a foreign power 20:14:13 Oooh, conspiracies! 20:14:28 hm, the console just says "killed", which to me suggests it ran outta memory 20:15:16 forcer: once he's back awake, would you be able to try again? 20:15:35 offby1: Sure, but I have no idea what I actually did to break him 20:15:43 nuts 20:15:53 *offby1* grovels /var/log/whatever 20:16:02 > rudybot: (define testvar 'outer) 20:16:03 forcer: Even worse, suppose the inner handler signals a condition that it expects the outer handler to handle. 20:16:03 > rudybot: eval (define testvar 'outer) 20:16:06 Then he quit 20:16:39 In which direction was its lifeless corpse pointing when you found it? Surely there is a ridiculously obtuse clue concealed in that orientation which a bookish but plucky protagonist could track down through a series of ham-handedly written, poorly researched historical references! 20:17:59 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has joined #scheme 20:18:18 forcer: gosh 20:18:32 *offby1* suspects Mr Relish, in the Statuary 20:18:50 sorry, _Lieutenant_ Relish 20:19:08 well, it was memory consumption: the dreaded OOMKILLER killed it 20:19:16 no idea _why_ it was using a ton o' memory though. 20:19:40 well, he should be back soon; let's see if forcer can do it again 20:19:45 All that memory was lost, in time... like tears in rain... 20:20:57 *offby1* slaps gnomon upside the haid 20:21:07 nuts, some kinda syntax error :-| 20:21:09 ACK THPBT 20:21:13 Sorry, sorry, I'm good now. 20:22:46 Gen. Offby1, when surrounded by the OOM Killer and asked to surrender rudybot, had only this to say: Nuts! 20:23:20 :-) 20:28:14 OK, he should be back shortly ... 20:28:16 *offby1* drums fingers 20:29:05 c'mon boy, you can do it 20:42:51 alaricsp [~alaric@router1.hotdesktop.biz] has joined #scheme 20:47:10 -!- mmc1 [~michal@109.117.230.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:49:37 rudybot [~luser@2001:470:1:41:a800:ff:fe3e:cde7] has joined #scheme 20:50:06 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 20:50:13 lesson: keeping all the "corpus" (the utterances he echoes when he doesn't know what else to say) in RAM is not such a great idea 20:50:19 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.143.77] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:23 rudybot: got enough memory, there, now? 20:50:23 offby1: From memory, gnus is an Emacs newsreader (and mailreader), see #gnus, , .. + other entries 20:52:59 MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:54:46 hotblack23 [~jh@p57B5CC04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:00:05 tommylommykins [~tommylomm@5ad471cc.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 21:00:39 -!- Checkie [13697@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:02:26 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:05:43 -!- MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:07:09 IJP [~Ian@host81-151-84-83.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 21:07:53 alvatar [~alvatar@36.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 21:10:52 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-53.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:15:28 mmc [~michal@109.117.165.98] has joined #scheme 21:22:55 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:24:37 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-53.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 21:26:54 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@94.166.67.154] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 21:27:32 copumpkin [~copumpkin@94.166.67.154] has joined #scheme 21:28:56 MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:31:23 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-83.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 21:34:07 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-178.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:36:54 what do you think about r6rs? 21:37:56 -!- phear_ is now known as phear 21:49:13 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:49:13 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-119-254.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:54:04 m``, it's perfect 21:54:37 http://lists.r6rs.org/pipermail/r6rs-discuss/2007-June/002538.html 21:54:55 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:06 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:03 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@94.166.67.154] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 22:11:51 copumpkin [~copumpkin@94.166.67.154] has joined #scheme 22:16:33 somnium` [~user@adsl-65-183-183.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 22:16:47 -!- somnium` [~user@adsl-65-183-183.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:36 -!- somnium [~user@adsl-243-5-252.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:21:30 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:22:34 -!- samth [~samth@131.107.204.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:22:44 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 22:23:42 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:58 22:29:00 rudybot: what do you think about r6rs? 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