00:01:20 Paraselene_ [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #scheme 00:04:21 -!- Paraselene [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:05:44 asarch [~asarch@189.188.149.178] has joined #scheme 00:07:56 -!- Guest13369 is now known as klutometis 00:11:46 -!- Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-77-199.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:26 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 00:20:45 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@59.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:25:27 foof [~user@lain.inunome.com] has joined #scheme 00:34:14 TR2 [email@89.180.166.212] has joined #scheme 00:37:39 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.45] has joined #scheme 00:38:45 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-235.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:45:20 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-235.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 00:46:57 I'm a little new to scheme, and I'm finding it hard to figure this out, is there a simple-ish way to convert "(+ 1 2)" into '(+ 1 2)? string->list had my hopes up, but wasn't quite what I had in mind 00:47:05 incubot: christ, i've been putting in 20 hour days for two weeks now; and beethoven's emperor concerto washes over my soul like an ambrosial salve, even if it is cliche. 00:47:09 Frond. Aren't ferns fronds? Or have fronds? Seventh-grade bio washes over me. 00:47:28 Reisen: eval? 00:48:00 I think you need to read form a port, and write that string to the port 00:48:25 klutometis, can't, I don't know where the code is coming from, I've got a sandbox library, but I'm receiving the snippets in string form 00:48:26 rudybot: eval "(+ 1 2)" 00:48:27 *offby1: ; Value: "(+ 1 2)" 00:48:34 rudybot: eval (open-input-string "(+ 1 2)") 00:48:34 *offby1: ; Value: # 00:48:37 rudybot: eval (read (open-input-string "(+ 1 2)")) 00:48:37 *offby1: ; Value: (+ 1 2) 00:48:45 evaluating it before putting it into safe-eval kindof defeats the point of safe-eval 00:48:46 rudybot: eval (eval (read (open-input-string "(+ 1 2)"))) 00:48:46 *offby1: ; Value: 3 00:49:07 *offby1* raises an eyebrow 00:49:19 Reisen: that's plt; this also works in chicken 00:49:23 incubot: fnord. 00:49:25 rudybot: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/318952/convert-string-to-code-in-scheme 00:49:25 antoszka: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 00:49:26 "expression" is the correct term from r5rs, not "statement", but that's nitpicking 00:49:33 Reisen:  00:49:34 incubot: (with-input-from-string "(+ 1 2)" read) 00:49:34 (+ 1 2) 00:49:43 If that's how you plan to solve your exercise "please write a scheme interpreter in scheme", I think that your corrector will be amused, but score you very low 00:50:07 Luckily, that's not the excersise ;p 00:50:10 :) 00:50:19 execise even 00:50:25 :) 00:50:39 poo, planet.plt-scheme.org be down 00:50:56 antoszka, thanks, that's perfect, really appreciate it 00:51:36 Common Lisp has a function read-from-string, if that's of any interest. 00:51:59 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 00:52:19 I take it isn't in scheme then, but er, hang on let me test out this first 00:52:25 offby1: They couldn't pay this month's ``security'' for the webservers. Subscribing to extortion racket was not a good idea. 00:53:16 nice code repo you've got there. it'd be a shame if anything were to ... happen to it 00:53:59 pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 00:54:22 I'm waiting for the implementor's daughter's wedding to ask for a favor 00:55:17 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:29 Right, string->input-port didn't work, but I managed to overlook offby1's open-input-string which works a charm, thanks for the help! 00:55:48 (By didn't work, I mean wasn't defined) 00:57:08 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:15 pjb`` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 01:00:45 -!- pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:26 PiRSquared17 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/pirsquared17] has joined #scheme 01:02:38 rudybot: Elephactorial 01:02:38 PiRSquared17: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 01:02:44 -!- PiRSquared17 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/pirsquared17] has left #scheme 01:09:34 incubot: elephactorial? 01:09:47 incubot: are you dead 01:09:50 Would you ever eat a dead human? 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02:41:45 offby1: I can confirm that it exists, I was there once 02:42:33 and was it like a desert ? 02:43:38 it was more like a bigass coast 02:46:45 I think coasting through it is probably the best strategy, yes. 02:48:40 pencilk [~jk@222.178.152.106] has joined #scheme 02:51:25 i would prefer a desert ship ride! 02:51:27 lol 02:51:58 for all the cactus's glory! 02:52:41 timj_ [~timj@e176193029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:17 *chandler* books sepult a ride on Cid's Desert Airship Tours. 02:56:52 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176192171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:57:02 -!- MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:02:46 -!- alexsuraci [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:03:07 -!- orm [~orm@pool-70-104-233-12.fred.east.verizon.net] has left #scheme 03:08:37 alexsuraci [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:18:34 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:07 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #scheme 03:29:22 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:35:09 sepult` [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:36:28 asarch [~asarch@189.188.156.131] has joined #scheme 03:36:33 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-63-42.netcologne.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:36:43 -!- sepult` [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37:44 sepult` [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:39:13 -!- sepult` is now known as sepult 03:39:23 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:24 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:40:31 C-Pip [~Pip@unaffiliated/pip] has joined #scheme 03:46:19 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-93-77-198.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:35 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-93-77-198.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 03:51:27 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:49 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-84-57.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:57:08 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58:29 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-84-57.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:03:15 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 04:04:02 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:04:02 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@unaffiliated/mohamdu] has joined #scheme 04:07:02 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:14 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:22:29 -!- C-Pip [~Pip@unaffiliated/pip] has quit [Quit: It's not my problem.] 04:23:02 rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-93-247-48.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 04:23:41 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-93-77-198.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:24:04 offby1: planet is back. 04:24:39 offby1: And BTW, (a) thanks for the patch, which I applied almost immediately after you sent it, and (b) it had some newline issues that I needed to fix. 04:24:46 harrumph 04:24:54 I like to think I'm Mr Newline 04:25:09 For some reason a few "@@" lines had the text wrap around. 04:25:09 stdin::4976: require: PLaneT could not download the requested package: Internal error (unknown HTTP response code 503) in: (planet neil/numspell:1:0/numspell) 04:25:22 eli: ah -- I pasted the patch into gmail. I was afraid that was a bad idea. 04:25:37 Yeah, with gmail you're better of using an attachement 04:25:48 *eli* notes that he's preaching git to offby1 04:25:54 oh the irony 04:26:14 re planet, I think that there was some manual command to start it which I might have missed. 04:26:18 -!- Zarutian [~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Quit: Zarutian] 04:26:18 I'll try to find it. 04:29:03 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:29:26 -!- Angie [~angieb@unaffiliated/angie] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:33:39 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 04:38:59 offby1: Can you try again? 04:40:22 beauty! 04:40:54 Whew. 04:41:05 I can't breathe in here. 04:42:07 For some reason they have a yearly inspection here, and they need to reboot all of the building -- it takes 12 hours, and there's always mess to clean up as a result. 04:45:31 -!- soupdragon [~quantum@unaffiliated/fax] has quit [Quit: soupdragon] 04:51:07 bleah 04:53:20 Q: How do you know that some product is dying? 04:53:49 A: It's installer offers to install the Yahoo toolbar or some other junk. 04:53:58 s/'// 04:54:36 is that going into the PLT 5.1 release? 04:55:41 What, the yahoo toolbar? 04:55:48 yea 04:55:54 i think it should install java too 04:55:59 I'd rather start prostituting. 04:56:12 *jonrafkind* washes his eyes with vodka 04:57:16 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 05:02:14 -!- TR2 is now known as TR2N 05:03:37 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:20 how bout the MIT Scheme bar? ;-) 05:13:31 SICP FTW 05:23:50 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.156.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29:57 -!- pencilk [~jk@222.178.152.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:33:39 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-227.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:39:38 matthew_y [~matt@c-71-201-6-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:40:37 does anyone kow what causes the MIT-GNU scheme "requested allocation too large" error on windows? 05:49:34 or perhaps someone could point me to a different implementation of scheme 06:00:23 -!- rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-93-247-48.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:40 rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-93-247-48.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 06:06:13 Kizaru [~plaz@pool-173-76-170-157.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:07:13 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-235.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 06:07:36 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-235.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:13:18 matthew_y: PLT works fine on Windows 06:13:40 offby1, thank you 06:13:42 doesn't have Edwin, but some people like its built-in editor (myself, I never got used to it) 06:15:37 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:16:31 offby1, I can use it via command line as well? 06:17:39 -!- blez [~hyper@ip-162-4-71-77.varnalan.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:18:19 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:19:16 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-235.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:19:37 yes 06:19:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 06:20:21 offby1, thank you for the recommendation 06:22:13 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 06:31:45 -!- Kizaru [~plaz@pool-173-76-170-157.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:37:53 how different are the dialects of Lisp? Is say, common lisp very different from Scheme? 06:42:51 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:43:02 karljoh [fooki@h-73-135.A165.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 06:52:47 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.222] has joined #scheme 06:53:53 chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has joined #scheme 06:58:11 ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 06:59:01 blez [~hyper@ip-162-4-71-77.varnalan.net] has joined #scheme 06:59:41 ktzqbp [~ktzqbp@unaffiliated/ktzqbp] has joined #scheme 07:02:43 -!- ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:03:13 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 07:07:03 HG` [~HG@85.8.91.151] has joined #scheme 07:10:23 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 07:19:35 -!- matthew_y [~matt@c-71-201-6-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #scheme 07:21:02 phao [~phao@189.107.128.251] has joined #scheme 07:29:46 masm [~masm@bl19-135-214.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 07:54:41 -!- cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:59:34 -!- TR2N [email@89.180.166.212] has left #scheme 08:05:58 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 08:06:47 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.45] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:08:06 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 08:15:13 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:38 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:15 this is a very good intro to scheme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdj6deraQ6k 08:20:54 old 08:20:55 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 08:21:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #scheme 08:26:08 C-Keen: no it is actually new 08:26:10 came out yesterday 08:27:48 I've seen it last week on this channel 08:28:30 yes when I pasted it last week 08:28:54 but it came out yesterday? o_O 08:29:10 qed 08:30:08 foof: yes I was being facetious 08:31:46 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:32:45 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:39:03 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 08:47:33 -!- DerGuteMoritz [~syn@85.88.17.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:59:05 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 09:06:46 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 09:49:40 -!- rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-93-247-48.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:31 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@88-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:55:34 -!- Miller` [~Millrawr@dhcp184-48-53-37.oakmv.sjc.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:02:37 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.128.251] has left #scheme 10:02:57 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:57 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 10:08:27 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 10:10:02 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16:46 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:03 hi, Im trying out the square root procedure explained early in sicp and instead of getting an answer like 1.414... i get the more exact form 577/408. How do I fix that? http://pastebin.com/Wpkgp8kg 10:20:15 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-232-91.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 10:28:57 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:30:42 mario-go` [~user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 10:31:56 -!- mario-go` is now known as mario-goulart` 10:32:20 -!- incubot [~incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:21 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:58 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:33:05 ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 10:33:29 stis_i8 [~chatzilla@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 10:33:40 -!- mario-goulart` is now known as mario-goulart 10:33:51 incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 10:33:53 rudybot: eval (exact->inexact 577/408) 10:33:55 sladegen: your sandbox is ready 10:33:55 sladegen: ; Value: 1.4142156862745099 10:34:20 alvatar [~alvatar@59.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 10:34:47 when i do larger values it freaks out 10:37:16 it? 10:38:32 the function returns strange values when i pass arguments above 6 10:39:24 Try describing what happens, instead of your reaction to it 10:44:02 the values aren't strange, its just that the interpreter doesn't seem to change the values to inexact form, so the value returned will be in extremely bloated exact form 10:44:38 If you want them in inexact form, convert them to inexact form. 10:45:40 or start off with inexact values, which brings a speed boost and various subtle problems 10:45:54 how do i do that? 10:46:04 oh 10:46:10 #.0 10:46:26 I'm not sure, but I think the iteration given in the book provides exactly the simple continued fraction convergents for the square roots. 10:47:12 if i do (sqrt 100.0), i get the desired results 10:48:53 thanks for your help :) 10:50:41 incubot: i don't believe in rationals. 10:50:45 under what circumstances should rational? be true for a real -- always? this seems to miss the point in the case of numbers like 0.33333333..., but i'm not sure there's any possible good test, and with less than arbitrary precision reals all reals are rationals, by definition. 10:50:58 incubut, you 10:51:06 Fail 10:51:11 incubot, you're irrational 10:51:14 but no computer can represent accurately all irrational numbers, as most of them are non-computable. 10:52:42 -!- stis_i8 [~chatzilla@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:02:15 -!- ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:37 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:07:17 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 11:11:32 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:45 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:33 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 11:17:47 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 11:19:34 -!- rmrfchik [~rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:22:15 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:10 eli: cheap tricks, indeed; i figured they were worth about $2.56: and not, say, $10.24. 11:26:53 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:31 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.222] has joined #scheme 11:33:05 klutometis: What I meant is that this is at the same level of: (a) find a way to map a bunch of decimal numbers on "Whatever your want", (b) print the first 1000000 digits of pi, (c) look for the numbers, (d) write an obscure and smart-looking program. 11:46:06 -!- Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-77-199.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:04 ventonegro [~alex@c93471c2.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 11:54:24 Kizaru [~plaz@pool-173-76-170-157.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 12:08:43 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:08:43 xwl [~user@123.115.120.25] has joined #scheme 12:11:49 prince [~prince@203.246.179.177] has joined #scheme 12:18:44 drwho [~drwho@c-76-124-164-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:39:40 cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 12:40:59 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:19 eli: indeed; the trick, though, is to find some bizarre "natural" property that produces the map in (a) directly without a great deal of noise-generation/filtering. 12:42:39 the generation can be clever or brute, elegant or inelegant. 12:43:50 klutometis: That's why I said 1000000 -- you let probability do the rest. 12:44:08 Use it with a sufficiently long string, and impressive results are pretty much guaranteed. 12:44:20 You can even start a new religion this way... 12:48:08 i prefer to find a property that produces N and only N artifacts within a given range; it's true that any irrational number will do that eventually, but it's more difficult to find some "cute" mathematical coincidence. 12:52:53 NNshag [user@lns-bzn-43-82-249-139-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 12:55:00 eli: by the way, did you have any idea the ipad does calls over skype? once apple releases the background api in os 4 (and if skype supports it), i wonder if it's possible to give up the phone altogether? 12:55:03 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-32-82-254-16-160.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:55:34 i get strange looks talking into the ipad in public. 12:56:58 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 12:57:05 :-) 13:01:01 klutometis: I refuse to get AT&T, and why use it when a phone does the same except with a much more appropriate form? 13:01:33 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:06:20 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 13:07:36 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-84-57.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 13:10:23 ejs [~eugen@123-207-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 13:11:04 Zarutian [~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is] has joined #scheme 13:22:14 eli: a) it might help me justify the grand i dropped on it; b) i'm drowning in a surfeit of devices. 13:22:30 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 13:23:27 hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 13:28:54 -!- saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:30:56 -!- Nils^ [steele@beegees.mtveurope.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:34:06 Nils^ [steele@beegees.mtveurope.org] has joined #scheme 14:08:08 -!- ventonegro [~alex@c93471c2.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: ventonegro] 14:16:54 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 14:18:32 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 14:19:33 -!- Zarutian [~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Quit: Zarutian] 14:21:00 Zarutian [~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is] has joined #scheme 14:24:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:45 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-149.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 14:25:48 luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 14:26:27 -!- ejs [~eugen@123-207-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:31:13 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 14:46:42 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:04:02 blez pasted "test" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111001 15:04:28 why is this? 15:06:25 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-124-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:08:56 blez: because x gets evaluated before set-null is applied to it 15:09:11 blez: (set-null 'x) will work 15:10:00 No. 15:10:35 "set-null" does not do what you think it does. 15:10:58 I guess it will set null to the local copy of var ? 15:11:01 or it uses reference? 15:11:02 -!- erg [~erg@li13-154.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:11:35 pjb [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 15:12:00 Try it and see. 15:12:11 Daemmerung: right 15:12:19 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:12:19 -!- tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:12:58 well it doesn't set x to 0, that's for sure 15:13:18 -!- xwl [~user@123.115.120.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:14 I cannot reproduce your results. Perhaps you could offer a little more context. 15:18:45 rudybot: init http://paste.lisp.org/display/111001/raw 15:18:47 Daemmerung: error: make-evaluator: expecting a single `module' program; got more than a single expression 15:19:47 offby1: it would be useful if rudybot could be a bit less PLT in this regard 15:21:42 perhaps a "rudybot load" command to slurp into a "rudybot init r5rs" sandbox. 15:22:07 and I keep ty[ing rudyboy this morning. clearly more coffee needed. 15:22:48 -!- hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:09 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:23 xwl [~user@123.115.120.25] has joined #scheme 15:44:25 -!- HG` [~HG@85.8.91.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:57:28 bweaver [~user@c-68-60-0-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:57:32 -!- bweaver [~user@c-68-60-0-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:32 blez pasted "test" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111003 15:58:02 why it gets to car, if the list is empty it should exit? 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16:32:00 r5rs cond 16:32:01 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_106 16:32:02 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/3gogwm 16:32:44 if it were one cond you'd get what you expect... but you have a sequence of conds. 16:32:51 is using [] the same ? 16:33:59 yes, [] are semantically equivalent to () in schemes which permit their use. 16:34:00 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-124-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:35:16 blez annotated #111003 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111003#1 16:35:38 if ... if ... smth ... ; is not the same as if ... ; if ... ; smth ; (semi-colonically speaking) 16:36:03 erg [~erg@li13-154.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 16:36:24 *sladegen* sighs. 16:36:53 your still dowink it ronk. 16:37:53 blez: what will happen when `lst' is empty? 16:38:50 it must exit the function 16:39:06 but what will happen with your code? 16:39:42 incubot: goto socrates! 16:39:45 i.e. "An unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates 16:40:15 It should print 'end and exit the recursion 16:40:33 why would it end the recursion? 16:41:30 cause it must return 'end and stop the loop 16:41:34 as I see it doesn't do that 16:41:55 hint: you have a second form _after_ the cond 16:42:04 because blez's thoughts assert so. 16:42:26 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 16:42:39 *sladegen* tries to be helpful but fails. 16:43:46 I want to print all elements of a list without the one on index j 16:44:17 tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 16:44:30 start from the end... i.e. condition that should end recursion... 16:44:54 you need to understand what is wrong with your example code, otherwise you'll have a hard time 16:45:50 the condition is an empty list 16:47:25 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-84-57.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 16:48:19 but do you see that you are misusing cond? perhaps rewrite it in ifs... and see what happens as you add more ifs in different places of the tree. 16:49:46 what comes after a cond form is not its else branch; the code that follows it is evaluated regardless of the condition 16:50:23 *sladegen* calls the spoiler police. 16:50:45 oh no, I hear them nearing 16:50:52 ok can't I just use another cond on top of that ? 16:50:55 *rotty* hides under his desk 16:51:05 (cond (empty? lst) 'end) or somethng 16:51:16 blez: you can use one cond... 16:51:27 ... to rule them all 16:51:35 ahem 16:51:37 (them cases, that is) 16:52:01 if I change the cond to if: procedure if: no clause matching 1 argument: # 16:52:26 cond and if have different syntax 16:52:28 three ifs for the elven lords... one cond to rule all ifs... heh. 16:57:07 blez annotated #111003 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111003#2 16:57:10 why. 17:00:58 blez: because you are writing it as a sequence of expressions, not one expression. 17:02:24 perhaps you should read sicp and understand what conditional does to the evaluation. 17:02:46 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 17:06:26 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:00 -!- rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:17:45 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 17:19:41 -!- xwl [~user@123.115.120.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:31 -!- fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:13 fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has joined #scheme 17:28:35 -!- m811 is now known as moell 17:36:53 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:40 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-35-252.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 17:45:44 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-149.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 17:50:52 -!- ktzqbp [~ktzqbp@unaffiliated/ktzqbp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:09 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:06:42 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-84-57.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 18:07:39 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:47 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:35 asarch [~asarch@189.188.149.190] has joined #scheme 18:16:43 ketrox [~ketrox@p5B2416BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:20:45 -!- blez [~hyper@ip-162-4-71-77.varnalan.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:36 -!- Daemmerung [~goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Quit: Smoove out.] 18:28:19 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.149.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:31:11 asarch [~asarch@189.188.149.190] has joined #scheme 18:31:14 alvatar [~alvatar@179.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:33:05 arcfide [~arcfide@adsl-99-75-48-11.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:38:51 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 18:42:08 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 18:47:29 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@64.134.146.151] has joined #scheme 18:51:59 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@179.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:09 alvatar [~alvatar@223.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:53:56 -!- sepult` [~user@cable-195-14-196-122.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:02:56 ws [wswieb@akson.sgh.waw.pl] has joined #scheme 19:10:51 saccade [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:23:02 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-35-252.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:38:36 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 19:38:51 sepult [~user@cable-195-14-196-122.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:46:44 fschwidom [~fschwidom@p5B26AC38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:54:05 schmir [~schmir@p54A912B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:59:19 -!- ketrox [~ketrox@p5B2416BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:04:45 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:39 -!- Nils^ [steele@beegees.mtveurope.org] has left #scheme 20:19:29 -!- ws [wswieb@akson.sgh.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: ...] 20:19:43 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:57 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 20:23:11 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A912B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:23:57 Could someone take a look at this 50-line simple threading problem? http://gist.github.com/420238 20:24:03 ... and explain to me why it doesn't work :-| 20:24:13 ("doesn't work" means "fails its lone built-in unit test") 20:25:57 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-153.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:30:31 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-149.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:30:31 blez [~hyper@ip-162-4-71-77.varnalan.net] has joined #scheme 20:30:45 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.128.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31:31 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:30 offby1: At a guess, the call to `get-output-string' precedes the write of the last character to the port. 20:32:35 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.222] has joined #scheme 20:32:56 chandler: thanks for looking. 20:33:09 I wouldn't be surprised if that call to get-output-string indeed preceded the last writ e... 20:33:10 offby1: Indeed; put a `sleep' call right before the `check-equal?' form in the test, and it passes. 20:33:38 now, I assumed that get-output-string would block until all characters were available .. was I mistaken? 20:33:59 How would it know? 20:34:14 I suppose I should close the output port when I'm done writing to it? 20:34:42 oddly, that doesn't make it work either. 20:34:52 -!- blez [~hyper@ip-162-4-71-77.varnalan.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:52 I don't even know if I'm merely making a mistake in some small detail, or if instead I'm going about this in totally the wrong way. 20:36:26 "This" being: I was thinking it'd be nice to be able to create an output port that modifies its characters under the control of a function 20:38:18 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:38:36 schmir [~schmir@p54A90FFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:40:32 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@223.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:41:44 offby1: Closing the port won't help here; the root cause here is that unless you wait for the thread to finish running, your code will be calling `get-output-string' on the string output port before the thread is finished writing characters to it. 20:41:49 Closing the port won't help with that. 20:42:02 You either need to add a call to `thread-wait' somewhere, or find some other method of synchronization. 20:42:07 hmm 20:42:13 Actually, I'm not sure how the thread helps what you're trying to do. 20:42:33 I'd be delighted to not need threads 20:43:18 but I figured I had to have something taking characters from somewhere, transforming them, and sending them to the original output port; I couldn't think of any other way to do it 20:43:44 Why not create a custom output port type? 20:44:01 mostly because the docs made it sound a) complex; and b) not really the right thing. 20:44:08 But perhaps that is indeed the right way to do it. 20:44:17 I'll re-read them 20:44:52 -!- Poeir [~Poeir@c-98-228-60-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:09 it says "Custom ports are mainly useful to obtain fine control over the action of committing bytes as read or written." Generally I've found that when the PLT docs say "Feature X is mostly useful in case Y", that really means "It's _really_ weird to use X for anything other than Y, and if you're tempted to do so, you're probably confused". 20:45:55 offby1: Hrm, what is it that you want to do? 20:46:42 Poeir [~Poeir@c-98-228-60-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:54 arcfide: that's only vaguely defined :) I was just thinking it'd be nice to, say, have an "encrypt" or "decrypt" function, that takes maps one character to another; and then somehow attach that function to a port, and thenceforth, when you wrote to that port, it'd get encrypted or decrypted. 20:47:02 offby1: Well, ports are fairly low-level things, but I don't see a pre-supplied sort of transformed output port in the way that you're trying to create one, so `make-output-port' is still probably the right thing. 20:47:22 chandler: I'll take your word for it, and use this as an excuse to learn about custom ports. 20:47:30 offby1: Ah, so you want to say, write to a port, and the result is mapped to its output? 20:47:41 No, don't do that! I don't *really* know what I'm doing when it comes to PLT ports. 20:48:12 So, something like MAKE-ENCRYPTED-PORT? 20:48:40 arcfide: yep 20:48:49 ha, one of the examples in the custom-ports docs says "A port that transforms data before sending it on to another port." 20:48:51 Ah, then I do think that custom ports is the way to go. 20:48:51 *ahem* 20:49:41 I wonder if R6RS provides a means for custom transcoders? 20:49:53 dunno 20:50:54 In other news: I wonder if grilled onions would be good on a BLT ... 20:51:34 I'd guess "yes". 20:51:56 as the one true port above me, so the custom port inside me... 20:52:42 incubot: food the ultimate transcoder. 20:52:46 food. 20:53:14 *offby1* transcodes food 20:53:17 food goes in, and ... 20:55:53 -!- ri4a [~ri4a@2002:d45b:fb92::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:00:47 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:06:29 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 21:06:50 ri4a_ [~ri4a@birne.imaginat.de] has 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