00:00:00 I hope "program" and "libraries" make sense in the java world... 00:00:15 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 00:01:17 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:01 -!- Paraselene_ [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:02:03 Paraselene [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #scheme 00:02:24 ros3 [~roselynro@173-13-167-106-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 00:04:52 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A909D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:37 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@173-13-167-106-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:06:56 mario-goulart: i recall the trick being how to pass scheme variable to java functions 00:07:06 there was a "wrap" and "unwrap" process, i believe 00:08:05 Actually I have some simple code "kind of" working, but I can't access methods I've defined. 00:08:13 lisppaste: url 00:08:14 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 00:09:00 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 00:10:48 mario-goulart pasted "java from scheme from java" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/105704 00:12:09 It works for regular scheme code, but it breaks when I try to call the `hello' method from my java file. 00:12:42 Maybe I should define another package containing my methods (apart from the scheme loader)? 00:13:41 luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has joined #scheme 00:14:30 I don't understand how sisc "finds" the java code to bind to scheme. 00:20:23 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 00:20:29 scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-68.tor.primus.ca] has joined #scheme 00:20:58 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-156.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:21:40 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-68.tor.primus.ca] has left #scheme 00:22:38 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.110] has joined #scheme 00:24:17 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-254-201.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 00:25:03 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:16 peddie_ [~peddie@c-67-160-245-238.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:32:13 -!- peddie [~peddie@c-67-169-8-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:32:22 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:29 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:32:53 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:35:49 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 00:35:55 -!- toxygen [toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:37:17 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37:41 -!- elly is now known as e 00:37:59 -!- e is now known as elly 00:48:48 -!- peddie_ [~peddie@c-67-160-245-238.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: peace!] 00:50:29 mario-goulart: try it using a method without arguments 00:50:47 the problem lies, i believe, in the fact that you're passing a naked scheme string to java 00:51:02 it has to be javafied first before it can find the proper method signature 00:51:36 Hmmm. 00:51:38 *mario-goulart* tries 00:53:27 mario-goulart: or try calling it thusly: (hello (->jstring "a")) 00:53:33 that should do the trick (i hope) 00:53:34 klutometis: no luck. Defining `public static void hello() { return; }' and calling `(hello)' gives me an error too. 00:53:38 *mario-goulart* tries 00:53:40 hmm 00:54:48 Error too: Error: no applicable method for args (#) in generic procedure #0=# 00:55:05 bizarre 00:55:10 indeed. 00:55:26 I think I'm gonna ask the mailing list. 00:56:25 If you have any other suggestion for me to try, please, let me know. 00:56:50 ok; i'll try firing it up in a bit (it's been awhile since i've used it) 00:56:57 let me know if the mailing lists yields anything 00:57:07 Alright. 00:58:23 Thanks for your help, klutometis. 00:58:39 mario-goulart: one more thing... 00:59:08 sure 00:59:20 (define-java-classes ) 00:59:38 i see that in a sisc file of mine 00:59:49 not sure what the function is, though; maybe it binds it to the search path? 01:00:06 or maybe it merely makes the class available 01:00:27 second thought, it's probably irrelevant 01:01:46 s/Foo.foo/foo.Foo/ 01:03:11 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:03:17 *mario-goulart* tries 01:03:49 mario-goulart: i'm doubtful it will yield anything; i'll probably just have to fire sisc up when i get a chance 01:04:25 No luck with (define-java-classes ) either. 01:04:32 No worries, klutometis. 01:08:18 I've asked the mailing list. 01:09:47 *mario-goulart* & 01:14:48 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:16:46 mario-goulart: i think you have to instantiate the foo class and invoke hello on that instantiation 01:16:56 offby1` [~user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 01:17:42 sorry; hello is static 01:17:49 let me see the manual about static methods 01:17:51 there's a trick 01:18:13 Comrade_S [~Kill3r@24.60.254.113] has joined #scheme 01:19:17 mario-goulart: got it! 01:19:39 (import s2j) 01:19:39 (define-java-classes ) 01:19:39 (define-generic-java-method hello) 01:19:39 (hello (java-null ) (->jstring "a")) 01:19:49 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:20:04 there; ugly enough for you? 01:20:20 (though not as ugly as java in my eyes) 01:20:35 oh, sorry: s/sisctest/foo/ 01:20:44 incubot: oh, the tragedy! 01:20:48 it's a tragedy 01:20:54 incubot: it's a trap! 01:20:57 why are you using DYNAMIC-WIND to trap failures? 01:21:21 -!- Killeroid [~Kill3r@24.60.254.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:21:41 incubot: bottie, bottie, who is the laziest programmer in the whole world? 01:21:44 We have the laziest accent I've ever heard 01:22:40 *sladegen* forces his accent. 01:24:09 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:25:14 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 01:27:22 -!- Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:36:01 -!- curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38:52 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:52 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:43:37 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:47:18 -!- myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:22 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 01:50:38 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 01:53:15 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: snarkyboojum] 01:54:06 -!- Arelius` [~user@208.80.117.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:54:06 -!- Arelius [~user@208.80.117.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:05 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:00:20 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:08 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-153.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:08:19 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:36 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-153.cpe.unwired.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:12:12 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-163.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:15:16 snarkyboojum_ [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-153.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:16:49 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-163.cpe.unwired.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:16:49 -!- snarkyboojum_ is now known as snarkyboojum 02:19:05 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-153.cpe.unwired.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:15 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 02:20:15 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-153.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:20:23 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@r125-63-191-153.cpe.unwired.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] 02:22:02 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:23 toast-opt [~toast-opt@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:29:40 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 02:30:26 franki^ [~franki@unaffiliated/franki] has joined #scheme 02:32:07 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.151.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:32:46 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 02:39:29 -!- cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!] 02:40:15 toxygen [~toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has joined #scheme 02:40:18 ysph [~user@75-143-70-52.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:43:59 waltermai [~haha@c-68-54-64-79.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:52:32 timj_ [~timj@e176192054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:09 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 02:53:31 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176195238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:59:51 asarch [~asarch@189.188.151.165] has joined #scheme 03:00:41 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 03:01:49 necroforest [~jarred@pool-72-66-100-119.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:03:26 -!- necroforest_ [~jarred@pool-72-66-100-119.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:08:55 is a lazy accent an accent that is not stressed until needed? 03:13:02 -!- toast-opt [~toast-opt@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast-opt] 03:13:32 There are no lazy accents, only bigoted auditors. 03:16:21 toast-opt [~toast-opt@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:19:48 -!- soupdragon [~quantum@unaffiliated/fax] has quit [Quit: soupdragon] 03:27:19 rudybot: who's a copycat? 03:27:19 offby1`: ,t8 en ja rudybot is a shameless copycat 03:27:25 tsk tsk 03:27:36 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 03:27:40 -!- offby1 [~user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:27:40 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 03:27:56 *jcowan* is voting on the preliminary WG1 ballot 03:30:49 how long does it take to develop a language standard, anyway? 03:31:07 183 days, 4 hours, and 31 minutes 03:31:55 hohoho [~hohoho@p67fbbb.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:32:22 depends on the developer, the temperature, and if you're "pushing" it 03:32:26 I still use Rodinol. 03:32:50 oh, also, agitation (paradoxically) speeds it up. 03:38:34 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:44 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 03:45:55 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:48:46 :P 03:52:15 cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 03:53:20 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:43 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55:16 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:55:18 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:56:56 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 03:58:03 -!- Checkie [882@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:02:11 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:30 toekutr_ [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-97-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:04:51 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-97-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:19 typemore [~typemore@redemption.Stanford.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:11:30 is there any scheme implementation that's designed to be embeded (like lua is) ? 04:11:44 maybe guile 04:11:47 possibly others 04:11:52 I'm not really the guy to ask 04:12:09 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 04:12:18 people besides offby1: is there any scheme implementation that's designed to be embeded (like lua is) ? 04:12:22 :-) 04:13:24 kawa? 04:13:54 I'm a scheme newb and don't quite know what you mean, but i hear kawa runs on android phones.... *shrug* 04:13:56 tried guile a bit back, it's kinda uglish 04:16:45 *offby1* watches the tumbleweeds skitter down Main St 04:17:14 ah, embedded in other *software* 04:17:22 yeah 04:17:36 embedded in C code actualllllly 04:17:38 kawa would be nice 04:17:44 if I didn't have to embed the entire jvm 04:20:32 well, that's what guile is for, right? too bad its like the slowest implementation I know of. 04:20:51 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:20:59 slow is okay 04:21:04 the implementation is ugly, which is not 04:21:45 -!- typemore [~typemore@redemption.Stanford.EDU] has left #scheme 04:22:11 -!- prince [~prince@203.246.179.177] has quit [Quit:   .] 04:22:13 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:24:47 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 04:24:59 might wanna check in to Guile development -- they seem to be doing a lot lately 04:27:21 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:29:20 *stiv* has been looking at chibi scheme lately for embedded use but makes no claims. 04:32:31 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.151.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:33:09 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 04:33:32 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:33:38 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42:23 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:49:30 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 05:01:36 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-55-125.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:39 You can embed any of the C-schemes, or PLT. 05:02:41 But /designed/ to be embedded? 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[Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:48 eli: H 15:25:51 Ergh. 15:26:07 eli: Is it intentional that Racket installs side-by-side with my existing PLT v4 installation on Windows? 15:28:37 Interesting. Installing vyzo/crypto from PLaneT seemed to be a lot faster than it was in 4.2.5. 15:29:36 -!- ejs [~eugen@229-66-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:33:17 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:35:59 ejs [~eugen@229-66-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 15:46:43 -!- snorble [~none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has left #scheme 15:51:01 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 15:59:50 -!- ejs [~eugen@229-66-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:06:31 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:07:55 ejs [~eugen@229-66-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 16:09:16 maybe they taught Scribble not to run ten times per PLaneT install 16:12:06 That's probably it. 16:13:03 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 16:14:28 how do I create a pair of empty lists? 16:14:36 (cons '() '()) 16:14:42 -!- ejs [~eugen@229-66-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:14:59 which gives me this: (().()) 16:15:42 morphir: you sound like you don't think that (().()) is a pair of empty lists. 16:15:51 ineiros_ [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #scheme 16:16:02 offby1: I do? 16:16:05 I agree it looks like a crackhead staring straight at you, but it is also indeed a pair of empty lists. 16:16:18 morphir: well, tone of voice can get mangled on IRC :) 16:16:26 hehe. 16:16:29 ascii boobs 16:16:31 lol 16:16:32 sepult: that too 16:16:34 lol 16:17:13 > (cons '() '()) 16:17:14 (()) 16:17:33 rudybot: eval (cons '() '()) 16:17:35 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 16:17:35 *offby1: ; Value: (()) 16:17:46 I want ascii boobs! 16:17:51 you got 'em 16:17:56 -!- albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:18:06 note that (().()) is actually the same thing as (()), oddly enough 16:18:23 it is? 16:18:25 there's probably some way to get rudybot to display stuff in the former notation, but I don't know what it is 16:18:39 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 16:18:43 rudybot: eval (cons 'frotz ' ()) 16:18:44 *offby1: ; Value: (frotz) 16:18:54 rudybot: eval (cons 'frotz 'plotz) 16:18:54 *offby1: ; Value: (frotz . plotz) 16:19:10 the confusion comes from the way PLT scheme (and most other schemes) displays cons cells. 16:19:17 It special cases those whose cdr is the empty list. 16:19:40 I want a pair of non-nested empty lists! 16:20:06 perhaps you'd be happier with ... 16:20:10 rudybot: eval (list (list) (list)) 16:20:10 *offby1: ; Value: (() ()) 16:20:33 strictly speaking I wouldn't call that a "pair" of empty lists; I'd call it a "list of two" empty lists. 16:20:43 "pair" is a technical term hereabouts. 16:20:54 rudybot: eval (pair? (cons 'frotz 'plotz)) 16:20:54 *offby1: ; Value: #t 16:21:00 rudybot: eval (pair? (cons 'frotz '())) 16:21:00 *offby1: ; Value: #t 16:21:04 rudybot: eval (pair? (cons '() '())) 16:21:05 *offby1: ; Value: #t 16:21:11 rudybot: eval (pair? (list (list) (list))) 16:21:11 *offby1: ; Value: #t 16:21:21 rudybot: eval (car (list (list) (list))) 16:21:21 *offby1: ; Value: () 16:21:23 rudybot: eval (cdr (list (list) (list))) 16:21:24 *offby1: ; Value: (()) 16:21:32 see the asymmetry ? 16:21:49 now we see the asymmetry inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm varying under a transformation! 16:22:37 I see my tree 16:23:07 my problem stems from http://omploader.org/vNGZqZg/figu262_1.jpg 16:24:00 give me your solution to that. 16:24:40 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:02 (cons 1 (cons (cons 2 (cons (cons 3 '())'()))(cons (cons '()'()) (cons 4 5)))) 16:27:56 ejs [~eugen@229-66-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 16:32:48 -!- mmc [~michal@cs27125182.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:45:18 -!- ejs [~eugen@229-66-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:48:37 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:55:19 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-109-rhwh-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:58:46 (cons 1 (cons (cons 2 (cons (cons 3 '())'()))(cons (cons '()'()) (cons 4 5)))) --> (1 (2 (3)) (nil) 4 . 5) ; this is correct. 16:58:53 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 17:01:48 pjb pasted "(cons 1 (cons (cons 2 (cons (cons 3 '())'()))(cons (cons '()'()) (cons 4 5))))" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/105734 17:04:10 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-45-82-65-134-199.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:04:19 mmc [~michal@cs181176076.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 17:06:51 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-25-82-254-162-134.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:43 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 17:11:12 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-64.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 17:15:37 i wanted to implement a (WITH-WORKING-DIRECTORY dir thunk) with DYNAMIC-WIND; but is UNWIND-PROTECT more suitable for that kind of thing? 17:16:55 curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:22:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-147-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:23:43 pjb`: that ascii generator looks wicked 17:23:50 I always wanted that 17:23:53 hmmm 17:27:12 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslak114.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 17:33:10 morphir: I'd need some time to rewrite it in a less ad-hoc manner. Perhaps using graphviz... 17:33:25 But so for my tests with graphviz didn't give good results. :-( 17:37:29 -!- Comrade_S [~Kill3r@24.60.254.113] has quit [Quit: .: Guns are for show, Knives are for pros :.] 17:48:25 pjb`: for scheme that is 17:51:05 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 17:52:20 Daemmeru` [~goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 17:52:20 -!- Daemmerung [~goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:36 Well, () don't enter well in a three-space wide box. |() | or | ()| ; |NIL| is better ;-) 17:58:51 pjb`: could you paste the source for that library that spits out ascii boxes? 18:02:58 pjb`: also, you two last boxes are wrong 18:03:14 they are a pair 18:04:10 even though you seem to have typed them right (cons 4 5) 18:06:19 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:29 asarch [~asarch@187.132.131.137] has joined #scheme 18:10:59 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:11:00 aintme [~user@182.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:13:09 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:14:49 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:24:48 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:35:30 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:43:55 -!- mastertogo [~togo@ip70-171-249-111.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:44:20 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:01 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:51:24 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-137-128-33.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:53:22 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 18:55:03 -!- Poeir [~Poeir@c-98-228-60-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:24 mastertogo [~togo@ip70-171-249-111.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 18:59:18 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-137-128-33.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:59:37 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:35 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:39 -!- Checkie [25230@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:13:11 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@router1.hotdesktop.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:13:53 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-137-128-33.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:14:34 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:15:37 ros3 [~roselynro@99.13.242.166] has joined #scheme 19:16:12 Checkie [926@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 19:21:17 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-137-128-33.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:12 chandler: I don't plan to make the installers detect when there is a "PLT" installation and suggest removing that... Too much work that is likely to break the installers, and too little gain for that. 19:26:47 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:28:35 eli: Fair enough. 19:28:57 eli: So far, so good on 4.90.0.1. 19:29:38 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 19:33:50 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@164.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:35:27 -!- ve [~a@guava.vm.bytemark.co.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:35:45 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 19:36:34 chandler: The installers are generally an area that I don't want to play with too much, they can break in all kinds of unexpected ways... 19:43:22 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 19:44:41 eli: I can definitely understand that. 20:03:36 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:26 -!- aintme [~user@182.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: /* */] 20:15:14 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:15:53 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 20:16:35 TR2N [email@89.180.145.98] has joined #scheme 20:50:33 -!- necroforest [~jarred@pool-72-66-100-119.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:49 -!- pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.124.96] has left #scheme 20:58:26 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:46 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:05:27 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:30:34 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:16 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:32:40 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:33:52 *jcowan* unvanishes etc. 21:35:23 Hello, jcowan. 21:35:37 Hey ho, chandler. 21:35:52 Sold any candles lately, or other ship's stores? 21:37:03 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-76-124-164-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:38:44 drwho [~drwho@c-76-124-164-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:39:11 jcowan: No, I have not. I'm too busy selling wireless flash drives. 21:39:12 -!- drwho is now known as Guest91862 21:41:05 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-187-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:11 chandler bing, hmmm. 21:43:21 -!- Daemmeru` is now known as Daemmerung 21:46:10 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 21:46:41 Daemmerung: ? 21:47:31 <-- was a character on an old sitcom. Amusement at the surname is all. 21:48:19 I'm aware of the character; "chandler" isn't my real name or surname. 21:49:20 of course it isn't. But Bing! is your favorite search engine. so it fits to a Q. 21:49:34 Well, if you say so. 22:09:08 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 22:11:55 User_4574 [~User_4574@unaffiliated/user-4574/x-8844190] has joined #scheme 22:12:04 -!- Guest91862 [~drwho@c-76-124-164-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:12:06 hi 22:12:13 me and a friend are arguing 22:12:37 have you tried hitting him? 22:13:27 -!- fschwidom [~fschwidom@p5B26AA5B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:49 i put closing brackets on separate lines so i can immediately see how they match. he puts them all together at the end. i say neither is wrong. he says mine is. what's the general consensus? 22:14:07 In Scheme/Lisp, it's usual not to put )s on separate lines. 22:14:19 but it's not "wrong" 22:14:24 tg551_ [~tg551@pc175s.cs.york.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 22:14:25 just not convention 22:14:32 It is very poor style. 22:14:40 HARD TAB! 22:14:42 -!- User_4574 [~User_4574@unaffiliated/user-4574/x-8844190] has left #scheme 22:14:45 hey, see? I agree with you lot! 22:14:56 You told him to hit the person who was right all along :| 22:15:29 -!- tg551_ is now known as tommylommy2 22:17:08 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:19:27 Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:22:56 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:29:12 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:12 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:26 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 22:34:51 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 22:36:01 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:07 Poeir [~Poeir@c-98-228-60-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:43:28 -!- Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:51:45 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56:06 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:01:17 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:05:04 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.153.121] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:20 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-251.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 23:15:13 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-64.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:15:32 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:39 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:22:38 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-254-201.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:24:29 hmm, I have this schelog.scm in a folder with my other .scm file 23:24:48 when I do (load "schemlog.scm") in PLT Scheme, it fails: 23:25:00 schelog.scm:10:0: compile: unbound identifier (and no #%app syntax transformer is bound) in: #%top-interaction 23:25:15 any idea how I can resolve that quickly? 23:25:56 load it into plt-r5rs 23:27:45 Daemmerung: and using DrScheme? 23:27:53 set your lang to R5RS 23:28:07 #lang r5rs is not enough 23:28:11 same error 23:29:10 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:33 no, you have to choose the language in the UI from the language-chooser widget 23:30:02 then rerun, I think. 23:31:04 Generally, if you're going to use "load" in PLT, you have to set it to its most generic setting. 23:31:24 Daemmerung: ok, after I do that, I have to remove the #lang and it works. Thanks! 23:31:45 (because #lang is a Module-language construct.) 23:32:27 or whatever PLT/Racket/whatever they call it nowadays. the dialect formerly known as "MOdule". I can no longer keep up with it all. 23:32:33 Good luck w/ Schelog. 23:33:08 "module" has been renamed to "dr. strangelove" 23:35:14 Daemmerung: thanks. I already translated schelog from define-macro to define-syntax, now I am hoping that my attempt on it will work out better than my previous attempt at minikanren 23:36:15 Daemmerung: I thought that Module was renamed to scheme :) 23:37:41 doc_who [~doc_who@c-98-231-201-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:38:20 How did you like The Reasoned Schemer? I'm on vacation next week, and since I'm an enormous nerd I was thinking of finally reading it. 23:41:41 Daemmerung: TRS seems to describe an outdated version of minikanren and the second edition is about to be published sinde about 2 years. 23:41:46 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-34.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:31 Daemmerung: I didn't do much with TRS though but I think it is ok. Still, takes a lot toying around to somehow "get" logical programming 23:43:47 Daemmerung: It should be much simpler now: you need to remember one name, "Racket", instead of "PLT", "PLT Scheme", "MrEd", "DrScheme", etc. 23:43:52 I'm an old Prolog hand, but I haven't used the language much in this millenium. Was thinking that TRS might provide a kick in the side of my head to get me out of my current rut. I've been sitting on an unread copy of it for a couple of years. 23:44:44 Leonidas: If you're playing with schelog then you should get the new installation (which, as Daemmerung implied, is called Racket) -- it has Racklog which is an adaptation of Schelog as a language. 23:44:45 eli: "Racket" certainly beats the pants off of "Module" 23:45:34 Daemmerung: That's a slightly different issue -- modules became more and more dominant, so having a "DrScheme language level" for "Module" was getting misleading and outdated. 23:46:19 -!- mastertogo [~togo@ip70-171-249-111.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:46:36 Also, as soon as I finish cleaning my office I'm going to try building a Racket. Racklog sounds intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter, etc 23:47:26 (am stuck on an old svn version here - but have updated my git in anticipation of getting with the new program) 23:49:21 Daemmerung: You can even go on using subversion via github: http://svn.github.com/plt/racket 23:49:39 uname -a 23:50:13 Nah, it'll simplify my life in the long run 23:51:48 incubot: uname -a 23:51:53 all thoses computers around are... uname -m says: x86_64 23:52:24 incubot: sigh, i long for human companionship, too. 23:52:27 sigh. ADT. sigh. 23:52:56 incubot: i'll show you my ADT if... 23:52:59 reason why people eventually start to resemble their pets: then the fur doesn't show. 23:53:02 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 23:53:27 td123 [~tom@c-67-173-188-34.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:53:56 pet is a good idea, perhaps a fish. it's low maintnence. i could hold it on my computer for wormth. 23:54:22 *sladegen* 's brain decays/ 23:54:29 \o/ 23:57:45 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-147-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:59:05 eli: yeah, maybe I should give it a try. I read some discussion on that on the plt list 23:59:36 Leonidas: FWIW, it should also be faster, since it uses delimited continuations instead of `call/cc'.