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[~sean@adsl-71-132-217-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:07:23 foof: Ah, I know what's bugging you. 03:07:28 Have a look at http://docs.plt-scheme.org/scribble/preprocessor.html 03:07:55 foof: Look for "The Scribble reader ignores indentation spaces in its body." there. 03:09:07 foof: (Using lists was a bad choice there, btw, and will change to some specific data structure for these things.) 03:15:04 (grrr.... all of the plt doc examples introduce double newlines when i cut&paste from firefox) 03:16:34 -!- Zarutian [~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Quit: Zarutian] 03:16:49 -!- bropumpkin is now known as copumpkin 03:17:25 foof: Just look at the source. 03:17:31 -!- jcowan_ [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:18:39 ok, with that block syntax there are now so many rules i'm having trouble predicting what the final spacing will be like 03:19:09 if @text is aligned w/ begin & end, _all_ spacing is lost and everything goes to the leftmost column 03:20:25 Yes, it's the beginngin `@text' that determines where you want the indentation. 03:20:37 s/mess/beginning of `@text'/ 03:21:05 that's not what i want 03:21:17 *eli* shrugs 03:21:48 i want what i pasted to "just work" as it does in latex (despite all of latex's myriad problems) 03:21:56 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 03:22:47 In your example the `\emph' is not aligned with the outer function. 03:23:01 -!- shofetim [~user@97-121-228-161.blng.qwest.net] has left #scheme 03:23:56 oh, sorry... in latex it would actually have to go at the end of the previous line 03:24:17 with my proposed rule, it could go at the beginning of the line 03:25:09 or right in front of the (define on the next line 03:25:19 foof: I don't follow you. AFAICT, that page shows how to make your example "just work" -- run http://tmp.barzilay.org/x 03:26:06 in plt, what's the state of the art for debugging a multithreaded server that hangs a request-handling thread? lots of log-debug? watchdog timer to kill thread and get traceback from it? 03:26:21 yes, but those rules confuse me 03:26:29 and if you change it to (define @emph{(baz qux) it breaks 03:29:25 neilv: I'm assuming that the usual sacrificial chicken has failed to produce results? 03:29:30 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:02 where i left off debugging this morning, i still had a bullet list of 6 things to try 03:31:16 Well, six bullets ought to be enough for one chicken. 03:31:31 Sorry, I'm being silly. I don't have anything useful to offer. 03:31:33 but if drscheme in git had a visual stepper or live animated tracing or something, that would work 03:31:53 chandler: only if they're silver! 03:32:04 i'm vegetarian 03:32:28 The chicken isn't for you; it's for the gods of threaded programming. 03:32:57 they're probably peeved by all the stir-fry tofu 03:33:11 neilv: you can still kill animals and be vegetarian 03:33:14 think of the respective sacrifices of Cain and Abel 03:33:25 eli: this is a tricky area to begin with, and the latex solution isn't very good, but it at least let's me do what i want with predictable results 03:33:45 the best way is to break their neck with your thumb, both chickens at the same time 03:34:15 i'm still trying to think of a way to accomplish moving the @emph to begin with the (baz qux) in scribble 03:34:24 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:35:41 it's also the way HTML behaves inside
, and i rely on this in my syntax highlighter
03:37:10  e.g. if a string spans multiple lines, the  tag will be inserted right before the start of the string, and closed right after the end of the string, and this will not affect the 
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03:37:40  what editor?
03:37:46  surely not emacs
03:38:27  geckosenator: this is the standalone syntax highlighter i use for my blog, although i wrote equivalent code for my emacs webserver eons ago
03:39:58  now, ideally you'd be able to write an extension so you could just @highlight{...} a block, or maybe @code[highlight #:'scheme]{...}
03:40:11  yeah
03:42:46  and by just plugging in my existing highlighter and preserving space on input, that would work
03:43:09  more convenient macro substitutions get tricky
03:43:32  e.g. in latex everything looks like \def\foo\bar#!#$%& with no space to avoid this problem
03:43:52  (the problem of adding extraneous space on output)
03:44:08  I have not been doing much programming since I got my boat
03:44:23  but a little bit, I have a program under development ;-)
03:44:28  but a simple macro wrapper to strip the space from a macro (before expanding it) should work fine
03:44:44  macor definition, that is
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03:48:25  can i ask dr scheme for types of my functions? (i'm using #lang slideshow)
03:48:43  right now i have (define (square size) (rectangle size))
03:49:00 *foof* thinks he sees a problem already
03:49:27  can i make it tell me that 'square :: real? -> pict?'
03:50:30  what if size isnt square?
03:50:40  whoops
03:50:50  (define (square size) (rectangle size size))
03:51:05  i'm too used to haskell :)
03:51:18  that would never have typechecked (if type was declared)
03:51:38  pastorn: you probably want to be using typed scheme
03:51:46  you dont have to
03:51:56  you could make rectangle return a procedure
03:52:53  geckosenator: yeah, sure, figured as much
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03:55:20  foof: can i use typed scheme in drscheme? if so, how?
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04:07:00  pastorn: yes, that's the preferred way to use typed scheme. http://docs.plt-scheme.org/ts-guide/index.html
04:08:14  how does the types work with the optional arguments?
04:08:33  in the docs for the slideshow stuff i see a lot of [optional-arg]
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07:07:50  how do I expand symbols in a quoted list? say I have this '("gnah" symbol1 "argl" symbol2) and I want that the symbols are replaed by their values, how do I do that?
07:12:02  You can either use quasiquote when defining list `("gnah" ,symbol1 ) or employ `eval`.
07:17:53  the greatest lie the devil ever told is that scheme newbies should know "eval" exists
07:19:13  neilv: that's only because they aren't also told about fexprs!
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07:22:54  oh dang, i need to get the ballot out...
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07:27:15  don't let wg1 hear about fexprs. surely there will be someone to advocate them, just like every other idea :)
07:27:50  neilv: oh, you missed it, there was
07:27:59  haha
07:43:57  Hi, this is Rahul. I am new on this list
07:44:14  I've been looking for a scheme based CMS but haven't found any
07:45:15  Can anybody point me to one. Otherwise, is anybody working on a project to implement one?
07:48:24  it's not hard.  though the only reasons i can think of to do a cms in scheme are: (1) you really like scheme, (2) you have unusual requirements not satisfied by existing cmses, and you happen to like scheme
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08:04:46  2 isn't really true
08:04:59  it's mostly 1, I just want to see what it would be like to have a CMS in scheme
08:05:08  I've used a couple of them: Drupal and Django majorly
08:05:23  and I've spent some time learning scheme
08:06:29  I am just interested in what a production level scheme based CMS will look like and if it would offer any major advantages over others
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13:30:58  ha. some plt custodian- and thread-related code i had wasn't behaving as expected, so i made a simplified code fragment as an example, for asking on the email list
13:31:22  at the last moment, as i was renaming variables for clarity, i realized i had been using the wrong variable
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17:18:59  minion, memo for jcowan: Thanks for "ISO-IR-68 to Unicode".  I just spent a couple of hours referring to it, and only when I wanted to cite it did I notice that you'd written it.  Bravo, sir.
17:19:00  Remembered. I'll tell jcowan when he/she/it next speaks.
17:19:06  Thanks, minion.
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18:26:20  Hello
18:26:57  I would like to know if someone knows how to use ffi with petite scheme?
18:27:25  I am also looking for some SWL examples on the net, but nothing on google!
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18:55:25  yay!
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20:14:19  lol gnomon, you have to watch out for jcowan   :)
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22:55:52  rotty: have you tried running spells on guile? It would be good to have FFI that works with all r6rs implementations.
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23:20:22  Does anyone know how many papers were submitted to the Scheme workshop in the last few years?  I'm just currious what the acceptance rate is.
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