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How can I download the Sisc source repository? 00:21:54 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.18.80.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:22:27 (I've asked on #sisc, but there are only 4 users there, including me and lisppaste) 00:22:33 -!- choas [~lars@p5B0DC6C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:24:00 mario-goulart: There is a snapshot on the website. 00:24:27 mario-goulart, http://sourceforge.net/projects/sisc/develop 00:25:07 By the way, has anyone succesfully compiled Vim with MzScheme support for MzScheme 4.2.5? 00:25:56 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.61] has joined #scheme 00:26:23 Maybe it's not supported anymore or outdated, the provided libmzsch3m_6ncd1k.dll does not seem to define some symbols used in if_mzsh.c in Vim src. 00:26:27 dmoerner: thanks. That's what I was looking for. I usually can't find anything on those sf pages... 00:32:45 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 00:33:51 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 00:37:45 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:44:44 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@99.13.242.166] has quit [Quit: ros3] 00:49:07 kutty [~jois@24-240-36-84.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 00:50:04 -!- kutty [~jois@24-240-36-84.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: kutty] 00:52:02 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7DD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:52:07 fabe [~fabe@p54A7DC68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 00:54:36 Blkt`` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-234-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 00:55:11 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:55:55 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7DC68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:12 -!- Blkt` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-235-151.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:58:20 ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 01:03:59 Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:07:05 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:18:33 -!- Danmaku [dmk@83.231.85.245] has quit [] 01:19:10 Dawgmatix [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:24:30 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!] 01:27:45 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@58.171.129.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:30:24 pencilk [~jk@222.178.152.106] has joined #scheme 01:31:46 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:34:17 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:37:14 -!- Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38:18 Blkt``` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-238-32.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 01:41:23 -!- Blkt`` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-234-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:42:34 mario-goulart: be sure to use the snapshot. If you use CVS, do not use `HEAD' -- use r1_16_6. 01:44:29 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.143.81] has joined #scheme 01:46:21 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:49:32 Daemmerung: thanks for the tips. I'm using 1.16.6. 01:50:21 does anyone know what the redex module that ships with plt does? 01:54:40 Redundant Expressions? 01:55:49 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:59:41 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-206.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:00:02 Red-faced ex-wife? 02:01:43 -!- adzuci [~ada2358@login.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:03:04 adzuci [~ada2358@login.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 02:04:15 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:07:04 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: ros3] 02:08:05 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:14:20 curi__ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:14:27 -!- curi__ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:30 acarrico pasted "syntax object oddity in plt" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99160 02:16:44 -!- curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:21:47 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.143.81] has quit [Quit: snarkyboojum] 02:21:48 I guess that is something to do with the operator position. 02:24:40 the operator position in a syntax-rules clause is ignored 02:25:05 so the a1 in the template is not a pattern variable, and gets inserted as-is 02:25:57 foof: that makes sense. 02:26:49 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [Quit: felipe] 02:30:13 I was playing around with syntax transformations to see what source locations were introduced in various situations, and forget that the operator position for syntax-rules is special. 02:33:54 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:34:29 -!- Blkt``` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-238-32.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ERROR: do not makunbound t please!] 02:34:39 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:35:11 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 02:35:40 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:38:02 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:42:40 -!- peddie_ [~peddie@adsl-76-254-70-196.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:44:28 peddie [~peddie@adsl-76-254-70-196.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:45:56 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 02:46:49 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:52:41 timj__ [~timj@e176197212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:55:56 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176196052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:56:25 seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has joined #scheme 03:01:13 -!- mastertogo [~Bob@ip70-171-249-111.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: and /part are on an island. /part dies, which is left?] 03:04:32 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:05:30 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 03:06:07 ros3 [~roselynro@209.129.161.251] has joined #scheme 03:08:14 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:09:15 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:42 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 03:11:42 -!- Dawgmatix [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:18:50 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!] 03:32:06 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@209.129.161.251] has quit [Quit: ros3] 03:32:44 elly: I trust you've found http://redex.plt-scheme.org. Ships with PLT since v4.1. 03:33:36 yep 03:33:45 looked at it - didn't really extract anything from it :P 03:34:51 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:35:13 I bet it doesn't tell you up front what problem it solves. 03:35:18 #1 failure of technical documentation 03:35:58 well, "language designed for specifying and debugging operational semantics." 03:36:09 if I knew what "operational semantics" were, that'd probably make sense. 03:37:47 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:38:01 offby1: hm, I'd never noticed that that was the problem with a lot of documentation I've seen, if that makes sense 03:38:12 DENOTATIONAL SEMANTIX 03:39:32 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 03:40:28 elly: I'm a very opinionated fellow. 03:40:41 INCURABLE ROMANTIX 03:41:04 offby1: it's adorable :) 03:41:15 aw shux 03:54:48 ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 03:57:43 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:01:23 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:04:57 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:06:36 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:07:41 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:11:36 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:49 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:12:16 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has joined #scheme 04:15:22 hohoho [~hohoho@pa3a20d.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:18:10 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:22 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:20:49 there are helpful chatty papers linked from that site. 04:22:44 -!- cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:22:51 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: ros3] 04:23:11 Hi there.. I am starting out with Scheme. Have a bit of experience with Common Lisp and Clojure. I would like to use mzscheme. is there a SLIME-like environment for mzscheme or any other scheme r5rs implementations? 04:26:27 vu3rdd: You might want to check out geiser 04:26:51 http://programming-musings.org/2009/05/14/geiser/ 04:26:55 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:26:56 parolang: thanks. 04:27:54 this is great. exactly what I was looking for. 04:28:42 huh, I ne'er heard of that 04:28:43 -!- foof [~user@lain.inunome.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:32:01 ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 04:33:52 Neither had I 04:34:48 Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:37:27 laevus [~marc@196-210-171-56-wrbs-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 04:38:26 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:38:40 -!- pencilk [~jk@222.178.152.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:18 it's 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I hope that is generated code, otherwise I'm much less skilled than I ever thought! 13:18:45 60.000 lines of unindented code 13:18:53 with weird names with numbers 13:19:41 ah right, there is a proper psyntax.ss on the internet 13:19:48 ok I feel better now 13:20:35 gambit implementation must have been pre-processed through the C preprocessor or something 13:21:08 heh 13:21:18 we put that file out on the web specifically to humble you 13:22:55 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:22 psyntax.ss is intended to be Pro software. Any Pro sofware has to have more than 50k LOC. If it is unindented and contains weird names, it's better. It proves the code is made by a big company which hires hundreds of cheap developers around the world. 13:27:47 no no no 13:27:55 it proves the code was written by Someone Much Smarter Than You 13:28:48 Ah, so that's the reason for the ss extension. "Someone Smarter". 13:28:57 Is anyone familiar with Sow and Reap in Mathematica? 13:30:07 mario-goulart: hahahaha .ss 13:30:15 :D 13:30:29 man, that's xkcd-level humor 13:30:53 If not, the general gist of it is this: Reap[ or, puts it in var 13:31:43 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has joined #scheme 13:32:03 Actually ignore the var 13:32:22 http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~gambit/repo/.cgit.cgi/Gambit/tree/lib/syntax-case.scm?id=dbfa0087895fb669b0e98182d25d79d43a120dfc 13:32:26 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/3389hbt 13:32:27 that's the gambit version 13:32:38 http://www.cs.indiana.edu/syntax-case/6.3/psyntax.ss 13:32:43 that must be the "original" version 13:36:21 Moreover, Reap works like scheme's begin in that it returns the last value as the first element of pair. So for example, in a pseudocode, (Reap (let loop ((i 0)) (Sow (* i i)) (if (< i 5 (loop (+1 i)) (+ 8 3))) would return a list (11 (0 1 4 9 16)) 13:36:35 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 13:39:41 -!- Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:56 But Sow can be nested arbitrarily deep, and can even be in other functions. So (define (f x) (sow x) 0), (reap (set! i 0) (repeat_5_times (f i) (set! i (+1 i))) "hi") would give ("hi" (0 1 2 3 4)) 13:40:20 So my question is how this would be written in scheme 13:40:24 that's confusing ... what problem does it solve? 13:40:39 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:41:12 offby1: Maybe I'm just giving a confusing definition. All it does is collect values and returns them at the enclosing reap 13:41:18 alvatar: That file appears to be generated, see syntax-case-build and syntax-case-expand-file in the same directory. 13:41:20 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@pa3a20d.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:47 Quadrescence: sure, but why would you use it? 13:42:08 can you give a realistic, simple snippet of code that's done more easily with reap & sow than with anything else? 13:42:17 (that isn't meant to be snarky; it's a genuine question) 13:42:24 To collect intermediate values 13:43:02 Quadrescence: that's not a terribly interesting function 13:43:15 Quadrescence: it's like generator/yield in PLT scheme, which can also be implemented with reset/shift 13:43:25 lisppaste: url 13:43:25 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 13:43:45 jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has joined #scheme 13:43:53 It's sort of like a generator/yield. And I still need to figure out what reset/shift do ~_~ 13:44:29 foof pasted "Reap/Sow" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99167 13:44:40 none of those statements answers my "what problem does it solve" ... 13:44:59 metasyntax: yes, it appears I was fooled by the impressive look of the 60.000 LOC of the file, and accostumed to gambit's FFI and source code I thought it was possible that was human code 13:45:32 offby1: I don't know what to tell you. It's a general tool to collect intermediate values during a computation. If you need to debug, it could be useful as opposed to just printing values. 13:45:54 alvatar: feeley's pretty-printer is insulted by your comparison to feeley! 13:46:00 You can collect them without having to do mutation, so it's more "functional" 13:46:27 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Client Quit] 13:47:11 jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has joined #scheme 13:48:09 offby1: Here's a specific example: suppose you are doing something like newtons method and you want all of the intermediate approximations as opposed to just the final one. You can sow all of the approximations and reap them in the end. 13:49:16 aaaaahhhhh 13:49:19 now you talkin'! 13:49:46 like debugging with "printf"s, except with more functional pixie dust :) 13:49:56 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Client Quit] 13:50:05 jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has joined #scheme 13:50:12 Quadrescence: sounds like you want a monad 13:50:35 bremner: why is that 13:50:55 I hope you are not saying that because I said "functional" and "avoid mutation" 13:51:18 Accumulating state is a typical example of using a monad. But there must be a schemier way of doing what you want. 13:51:19 dask [~507949db@gateway/web/freenode/x-sfzmrmgbimvhjczv] has joined #scheme 13:51:30 foof: oh, I didn't mean that :) 13:51:31 if I had a monad, I'd keep it on the mantelpiece for all to see 13:51:37 I'd ring it in the morning. 13:52:01 foof: I admire both feeley's code and feeley's code's code 13:52:27 I feel ya 13:54:16 rotty: hi 13:58:28 bai! o/ 13:58:36 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@33.232.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:59:54 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has joined #scheme 14:03:20 \o 14:06:47 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 14:07:08 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:10:19 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:11:50 \o/ 14:12:30 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:15:25 http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_lalanne 14:17:27 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has joined #scheme 14:18:36 -!- dask [~507949db@gateway/web/freenode/x-sfzmrmgbimvhjczv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:20:12 It seems that he's looking at psyntax.ss code. 14:25:29 sloyd annotated #99167 "reap/sow with reset/shift" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99167#1 14:27:11 Quadrescence: ^^. In Haskell you would probably use the Writer monad. 14:29:27 sloyd: hm, I will give it a try in a second, thanks 14:29:51 you gotta reap just what you sow: that old saying is true. 14:33:55 sloyd annotated #99167 "slight code simplification" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99167#2 14:34:29 alvatar [~alvatar@250.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 14:34:29 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-219.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 14:36:59 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-22.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:37:17 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 14:40:31 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:07 HG` [~HG@xdslao173.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 14:54:01 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 15:04:32 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:06 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 15:07:10 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-7-135.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:07:25 -!- hatseflats [~hatseflat@hatsuseno.rootaccess.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:07:35 hatseflats [~hatseflat@hatsuseno.rootaccess.nl] has joined #scheme 15:07:54 I love the straightforward advice on the Quack page: "Install Quack rather than following non-Quack-based tutorials on how to set up Emacs for Scheme." 15:10:44 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:10:47 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:11:32 Checkie [11666@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 15:12:14 -!- rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:12:54 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 15:15:46 Fabse [~mightyfid@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has joined #scheme 15:16:01 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: omghaahhahaohwow] 15:19:11 blist 15:19:18 sorry 15:22:22 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-7-135.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:36:07 Dawgmatix [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:36:22 -!- xwl [~user@125.34.171.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:20 Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 15:37:59 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:37 -!- ASau` [~user@77.246.231.18] has quit [Quit: off] 15:41:08 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:41:53 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslao173.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:44:27 snorble [~none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 15:44:29 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:44:35 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 15:46:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:58 asarch [~asarch@187.132.210.107] has joined #scheme 15:49:39 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 15:59:29 jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 15:59:42 Qerub [~qerub@c-83-233-144-210.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #scheme 15:59:50 Hello. 16:00:29 I have a list of booleans that I would like to `or`. (apply or list) would work if or was a procedure but is a macro. How would you do this? 16:01:35 Qerub: SRFI-1 has ANY 16:02:41 Thanks, that solves this. 16:02:42 Qerub, (andmap values list) 16:04:54 sjamaan: Is there any general solution to treating a macro as a procedure? 16:05:06 samth: How would you use andmap for this? I don't follow I'm afraid. 16:06:08 Qerub: nope. The idea of a macro is that they need to be able to rewrite your AST in arbitrary ways 16:06:35 The case you stated only works because you already have booleans and don't rely on the shortcutting behaviour of OR 16:07:08 Yeah, all right. Thanks again. 16:07:31 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 16:07:40 bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:10:50 -!- Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:15 Is there a identify function (like id in Haskell) built-in somewhere? 16:18:12 Chicken has IDENTITY 16:18:27 I'm using PLT. 16:18:34 It might have something similar 16:18:38 Qerub, use `values' 16:18:40 It's a rather typical combinator 16:18:57 it works great as the identity 16:19:10 Good call 16:20:03 Is there anything like Hoogle for Scheme? Say I want to lookup "values", what's the best way? 16:20:36 Qerub: I have the r5rs index bookmarked 16:21:25 Qerub, just hit F1 in drscheme, if you use that 16:21:38 or use the `plt-help' command on the command line 16:22:00 for example, % plt-help values 16:22:08 that searches the docs for `values' 16:27:43 Excellent. Thanks. 16:28:30 I'll make http://docs.plt-scheme.org/search/index.html?q=%s a keyword search. 16:30:50 Qerub, there should also be a local install of that on your machine (which is what you get from F1 and plt-help) which would be faster than over the network 16:31:31 There is (plt-help opened it) but I'm not always on this computer (and besides, my internet connection is speedy). 16:31:56 the search will still be much faster (it has to load the whole index) 16:36:20 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:37:14 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37:38 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 16:38:37 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 16:39:12 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 16:39:34 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:45 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has 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