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The next theme will always fall into the Uncanny Valley. 03:26:31 jcowan: OK, SCIM is no longer working for me either 03:26:52 Yea though I walk through the Valley of Uncanny Death, I will fear no evil. 03:26:59 Personally I just don't like dark backgrounds, except my terminals. 03:27:26 Fortunately they haven't yet decided to remove the theme chooser. 03:27:55 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:28:14 I heard that SCIM was to be avoided now. 03:28:31 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:29:09 jcowan: ah, try running the command scim-bridge, but setting the input method to scim 03:29:32 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 03:29:47 It started, but the icon is still grayed out. 03:29:53 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.12.27] has joined #scheme 03:30:17 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:30:33 Hum maybe you're missing proper environment variables? 03:30:55 Probably. 03:31:33 Here's what I have GTK_IM_MODULE=scim LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM XTERM_LOCALE=ja_JP.UTF-8 03:31:39 All I really want is the X-SAMPA IM, but I can live without it. 03:33:56 jcowan: just use emacs ;) 03:35:14 -!- MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:49 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.12.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36:21 *jcowan* tries to decide between shooting, poisoning, stabbing, or just forking Chibi. 03:36:36 Looks like "Ibus" is the new good IME. 03:38:51 jcowan: problem? 03:39:22 i've got a really good track record on bugfixes 03:39:36 No, no, just various punishments for suggesting emacs to me. 03:40:11 cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:41:16 After all, I already have a great name for a fork, but perhaps I'll use it for something else Chibi-related. 03:47:06 say what you will, X input methods have always been a mess, and emacs has always "just worked" 03:52:50 (although pasting unicode doesn't always work) 03:53:05 chibi^2-scheme-sama? 03:53:21 Chibiabos. 03:54:55 Chubby-Chibi. 03:55:01 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 03:55:14 dachubchib 03:55:35 Chubby-Chibi would be a good name for the WG2 version. 03:55:38 though i don't get the abos part ;( 03:56:02 It would say something about code bloat, yeah 03:56:10 is that like chibiabous? 03:57:04 foof: Your fmt docs are messed up around the bslashes. 03:57:16 The sky-spirit of the western Algonquians, and (in _The Song of Hiawatha_ by Longfellow) Hiawatha's friend. 03:58:09 chibiouscheme... ah, so much more poetic... /me sulks in the corner. 03:59:08 Chibi-con-Carne 04:00:20 Ironic that everything about The Song of Hiawatha is Algonquin except Hiawatha's name -- he was a semi-historical Iroquois. 04:00:30 Still, no worse that William Wallace wearing a kilt to battle. 04:01:34 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176200100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:02:47 foof: s/messed up/extremely broken/ 04:09:29 eli: i was using dorai sitaram's mistie - it's horrible 04:09:43 -!- alexsuraci [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:09:54 isn't that extremely outdated too? 04:10:15 yes 04:10:29 i will rewrite all my docs in scribble when i get a chance 04:10:48 (a chibi port of scribble for practicality) 04:10:57 Ooh, nice. 04:11:15 That will make it 3.5 implementations. 04:11:29 fabe [~fabe@p54A7DC94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 04:11:50 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@99.13.242.166] has quit [Quit: ros3] 04:11:51 actually, i already have a simplified latex parser which would be easy to allow customizing the \ to @ 04:12:33 Well, my scribble reader implementation is customizable to allow "\"s too. That's the easy part. 04:14:15 timj__ [~timj@e176201081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:16:53 plt, ikarus, chibi + who else? 04:19:49 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.156.36.3] has joined #scheme 04:20:16 foof: there's a half-CL implementation. 04:26:19 so it's written in C? ;) 04:29:05 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 04:29:49 sladegen: No, it's written in L, of course... 04:31:13 Ha, the other half 04:31:51 ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 04:32:03 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:32:54 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:34:27 *sladegen* drops asleep hopefully dreaming of the third best half of CL. 04:42:12 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 04:51:07 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.90.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:56:40 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:57:00 -!- cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!] 04:59:37 cpr420 [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 05:06:19 -!- twobitsprite [~isaac@li24-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:07:02 twobitsprite [~isaac@li24-165.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 05:10:50 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:11:21 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 05:14:04 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.156.36.3] has quit [Quit: snarkyboojum] 05:16:07 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:23:11 sladegen: it's called Scheme 05:25:06 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-76-111.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 05:25:49 -!- cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:29:14 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:33:58 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:38:24 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:43:17 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 05:56:41 Since the half of X is included in X, wouldn't it imply that CL has first class continuations? 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) 07:35:56 That is true, unless X is the set of half sets that are included in the other half. 07:36:25 ski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X 07:37:50 ah. this would have been handy when we learned al-ge-bra back in school 07:39:15 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 07:41:51 ski: you had to do all your computations with fill-in-the-blank instead? 07:44:43 yeah, like "4 times ___ becomes 12" 07:45:45 *ski* kindly informes the good people of lesser mental ability that the answer is 48 07:48:04 err 07:48:05 *bpalmer* raises an eyebrow 07:48:22 ski: define "times" 07:56:48 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:57:15 (define times out-of) 08:01:55 p896gbm [~p896gbm@69-196-130-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 08:03:48 -!- b9v8n6dfgs7 [~p896gbm@69-165-148-18.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:10:46 fooki [fooki@h-73-135.A165.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 08:16:32 ski: that's not politically correct. 08:16:52 ski: it should read "people of alternative mental development" 08:23:29 *foof* prefers "f'in tards" 08:31:52 Axioplase_ : four times twelf becomes fortyeight. what is there to argue ? 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I'm an utter beginner in scheme so I'm sorry in advance for any stupidities =) question: (cons 1 2) gives me this error: cons: second argument must be of type , given 1 and 2 . 11:59:28 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:19 p896gbm [~p896gbm@76-10-165-190.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 12:08:11 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 12:08:17 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 12:13:07 hi, although I googled I could not find anything that helps. even what dr. scheme's web site shows gives an error message. I'm an utter beginner in scheme so I'm sorry in advance for any stupidities question: (cons 1 2) gives me this error: cons: second argument must be of type cyclic list>, given 1 and 2 . 12:13:16 ,rubybot (cons 1 2) 12:13:50 lazz0 [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 12:15:10 rubybot: eval '(cons 1 2) 12:15:39 <_danb_> rubybot? 12:15:43 kolistivra: cons produces no error here for me 12:15:43 <_danb_> wrong language 12:15:56 *bitweiler* blushes 12:16:14 well, it shouldn't probably; but I couldn't get it accepted to dr scheme in windows 12:16:14 <_danb_> rudybot: eval '(cons 1 2) 12:16:18 _danb_: your sandbox is ready 12:16:18 _danb_: ; Value: (cons 1 2) 12:16:41 *bitweiler* cheers wildly 12:16:47 ;) 12:17:33 rudybot: eval '(cons 1 2 3) 12:17:34 bitweiler: your sandbox is ready 12:17:34 bitweiler: ; Value: (cons 1 2 3) 12:17:48 *bitweiler* smiles 12:18:07 I suspect kolistivra has drscheme set to some dummies' language mode 12:18:50 i'm trying it under "advanced student" mode, though I also tried beginning student and intermediate student as well :\ 12:19:17 well, a completely different mode gave the expected result now 12:19:38 anyways, thanks Jafet and bitweiler 12:20:13 xwl [~user@125.34.171.190] has joined #scheme 12:20:16 "If you are a real man, please say 'five'. If you cannot due to your mouth being full of quiche, press 6." 12:24:33 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ac735ac.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 12:24:40 karme [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-001-160.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #scheme 12:34:23 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has joined #scheme 12:51:08 incubot: to (cons 1 2) (or (not (cons 1 2))) 12:51:08 Error: unbound variable: to 12:52:05 incubot: (or (cons 1 2) (not (cons 1 2))) 12:52:05 (1 . 2) 12:55:29 -!- stis [~chatzilla@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/2010031700]] 12:58:04 cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:05:08 -!- _danb_ [~user@destco.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:09:41 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-211-240.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:11:54 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:12:02 TR2N [email@89-180-225-95.net.novis.pt] 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17:14:33 ve [~a@193.62.81.17] has joined #scheme 17:14:45 *Daemmerung* bangs on Esc twenty or thirty times until he's sure he's not in "Insert" mode 17:15:21 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:16:48 Actually one of the principal reasons I like Vim is because it is a lot easier IMO to modify syntax files; for example I've added some support for Gauche-specific constructs. Emacs' highlighting is much more daunting. 17:17:05 metasyntax: do you have any advice for (auto)indenting? 17:17:15 :set lisp :-) 17:19:10 wow 17:19:54 It's pretty simplistic, but it usually does what you want, that and :set ai sw=2 is pretty much all I do. 17:21:14 nice 17:21:44 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-76-111.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:21:55 They have really nice indenting at the university so for the last few weeks i have been editing through ssh. it's not so fun when the connection is unstable :/ 17:22:38 you can get lambda-style indenting if you add 'lisp-words += foo, bar' to ~/.vimrc 17:22:57 set lispwords+=define/override 17:23:33 Fisherman: That's what screen is for! :-P 17:23:45 screen? 17:24:17 Fisherman: screen allows you to run your terminal session so that if you lose your ssh connection, you won't lose your session. 17:24:28 oh 17:24:33 it won't help if connection is bad... on the other hand tramp in emacs would not use remote settings. 17:24:51 bad as in slow... not choppy. 17:27:27 Can I ask how to use screen? :) 17:29:19 Fisherman: When you log into your ssh session, type "screen". 17:29:27 saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-84-184.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 17:29:43 To disconnect from your screen session (and keep it running), type Ctrl-A d. 17:29:50 To reconnect, "screen -r". 17:30:27 thank you cky 17:30:33 Screen is awesome for keeping a remote REPL going, logging in every once in a while to play with it. 17:30:49 Fisherman: Good luck. :-) 17:31:10 The poor man's Erlang shell, in some ways. 17:31:22 Heh. 17:34:00 wow, that's really cool! Thank you cky 17:34:58 My pleasure. :-) 17:36:16 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:48:39 incubot: it's like a drug dealer giving candy to a child. 17:48:44 but on the other hand, I played baseball with a crack dealer at the first school, didn't ever hear about that stuff anywhere else 17:49:02 screen the children! 17:51:14 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:38 p896gbm [~p896gbm@76-10-165-190.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 17:56:52 It seems that it's not possible to use the mouse in screen. Is this true? 17:57:45 I don't know. I don't use terminal programs that want to read the mouse. 17:58:09 In fact, I find mouse-reading terminal programs irritating, because I use the mouse to cut and paste. 17:59:02 I guess I can live without the mouse :) 18:00:17 :-) 18:03:37 Fisherman: works for me locally running less inside screen inside gnome-terminal on Ubuntu. 18:04:52 strange, same here. I guess it's something with the remote host then 18:05:30 Fisherman: Sure, depends on what terminfo files they have installed. 18:05:34 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.113.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:47 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@108.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:07:07 maennj [~maannj@cpe-24-90-215-117.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:07:21 headache :p 18:07:32 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: ros3] 18:08:18 Hehehehehe. 18:08:51 -!- stis_i8 [~chatzilla@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10:01 curi [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:11:43 davazp [~user@64.Red-79-157-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:12:55 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-77-199.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #scheme 18:16:22 -!- maennj [~maannj@cpe-24-90-215-117.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:22 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:16:31 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:19:00 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:14 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:21:22 screen froze, or something crazy 18:21:45 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:53 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:21:59 hello 18:23:21 Fisherman: Did you hit Ctrl-A? My workmate tells me, Ctrl-A a sends ^A literally. 18:23:24 So that may be what you need. 18:23:53 I dont know what I did 18:24:10 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:14 You can probably "screen -r" back into your session and get it going again. :-) 18:24:18 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:24:45 It seems as if I can't start vim in screen 18:25:01 Scroll lock. 18:25:08 control flow issue? 18:25:11 Yeah. 18:25:17 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:18 C-a C-f and such 18:25:29 Be careful what you type here, because vim _is running_. 18:25:34 You just can't see it. 18:25:38 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:25:46 this linksys router keeps dropping!! 18:26:01 How old is it? 18:26:20 stis_i8 [~chatzilla@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 18:27:05 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:37 ros3 [~roselynro@99.13.242.166] has joined #scheme 18:27:49 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:29:17 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:25 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:31:40 maennj pasted "call/cc" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99094 18:31:46 hey 18:31:57 I hope I don't lose connection this time 18:32:16 guys I'm trying to use something like goto in scheme using call/cc 18:32:35 m4nic [~m4nic@ip252-55-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #scheme 18:32:47 -!- stis_i8 [~chatzilla@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316055951]] 18:32:56 this function is supposed to check if a value is in the list and then goto error if so 18:33:08 the label you are set! is a local variable 18:33:14 ooh 18:33:14 you need a macro if you want to set some variable already in scope 18:33:40 using plt-scheme i am looking for a minimal sgl/sgl example. Working canvas% but with ability to live code via text repl. Anyone has experiene? 18:34:16 m4nic, its not minimal but have you seen fluxus? 18:36:16 maennj_ [~maannj@cpe-24-90-215-117.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:36:35 sorry lost connection again, so a macro is like in c ? it's expanded inside the function ? 18:36:42 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:42 -!- maennj_ is now known as maennj 18:37:51 maennj: cpp macros are expanded when they are seen in the program text. :-P 18:37:51 -!- maennj [~maannj@cpe-24-90-215-117.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:07 m4nic: if you run your sgl program via "mred -z" you can continue to tweak the frame% object interactively 18:38:37 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:38:49 jonrafkind, yes i have seen fluxus, it's nice but I want to try something less restricted 18:39:15 Daemmerung: hmmm let me try this .. 18:39:43 worked for me a year ago, anyway 18:41:24 is "define" the way to set macro ? 18:41:34 Daemmerung: i believe you are right, mred -iz i needed to do it. Thx! 18:41:58 Good luck, m4nic. It can be a lot of fun. Beats the hell out of C, anyway. 18:42:19 Daemmerung: I am already feeling it ;) 18:42:45 I emailed this picture to my lecturer: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TabsSpacesBoth I don't know wether he got offended or he thought it was funny 18:42:59 stis [~chatzilla@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 18:44:07 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:42 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 18:46:55 KingOfKarlsruhe [~nice@p5B132DEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:47:27 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:48:32 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:49:05 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has left #scheme 18:49:23 -!- seangrov` [~user@180.64.8.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:30 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:31 -!- lazz0 [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:04 merimus [~makin@office.vivisimo.com] has joined #scheme 18:56:31 are there libsdl bindings available for plt-scheme? 18:57:20 maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has joined #scheme 18:58:53 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:07 @maennj I don't believe so but it would be fairly easy to use through FFI... there aren't alot of functions. 18:59:48 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:00:03 I'm new to scheme, this sounds complicated to me. I can barely understand call/cc :) 19:02:26 FFI lets you define a call to an external C functino 19:02:58 @maennj what languages are you most familiar with? 19:03:28 java, I can understand C though 19:03:45 merimus: I believe you are addressing the wrong person 19:03:57 Daemmerung: indeed... just noticed that 19:04:01 :-) 19:04:33 maennj: if you know setjmp and longjump in C call/cc is vaguely (not really at all) like that 19:05:04 m4nic: I don't know of an sdl binding for scheme but the SDL api is fairly simple... it should be easy to use it with FFI 19:05:16 yea I'm trying to do something similar now in scheme 19:05:24 *merimus* needs much more coffee 19:05:46 I did this http://paste.lisp.org/display/99094 so far but I just need to make set-label as a macro 19:05:57 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176203085.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:11 so I can actually modify the actual variable instead the one local to set-label 19:06:40 timj [~timj@e176203085.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 19:06:57 merimus: too bad, would be nice though .. i'll try the to ffi it then. 19:08:24 alvatar [~alvatar@108.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 19:08:54 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:11:39 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 19:12:02 -!- Fisherman [~reynirpyt@94.191.222.202.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:25 maennj pasted "call/cc " at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99097 19:12:55 can someone help me with this, how can I jump out of the whole function when error is called 19:13:26 I can set a boolean flag to actually inspect if there is an error, but how then I jump out 19:16:06 essentially call/cc captures the environment so that you can start from there sometime in the future 19:16:09 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:17:22 wikipedia has some good pages on them 19:17:50 yes I tried them but I couldn't find something similar to goto 19:18:08 many say that call/cc can simulate goto but couldn't find examples 19:19:01 so I want to capture something in the future but use it earlier.. for example, I want to capture "return" so I can break out of the function in future continuations 19:19:28 rudybot: init scheme 19:19:30 Daemmerung: your scheme sandbox is ready 19:19:47 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20:35 rudybot: eval (define (foo x) (call/cc (lambda (shortcut) (map (lambda (q) (if (even? q) (+ q 1) (shortcut "Ohmigod"))) x)))) 19:20:47 rudybot: eval (foo '(2 4 6)) 19:20:47 Daemmerung: ; Value: (3 5 7) 19:20:56 rudybot: eval (foo '(2 5 6)) 19:20:56 Daemmerung: ; Value: "Ohmigod" 19:21:33 incubot: goto pony 19:21:36 You should be able to GOTO locations outside of the current function. 19:21:48 Oh! Ponies! 19:22:06 goto unicorn, should do it. 19:22:19 incubot: goto hell 19:22:21 thanks 19:22:22 For example, there's a COMPUTED-GOTO instruction with which you could optimize CASEs, a CALL-TEMPLATE instruction with which you could optimize local loops, a JUMP-BACK instruction with which you could optimize local loops even more (or you could do even better and elide it by inverting loops), there are instructions for macroscopic stack shufffling, and so on. 19:22:53 heh... beat me too it. I had to start digging way to deep into the memory. 19:24:08 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:31 Fisherman [~reynirpyt@94.191.222.202.bredband.3.dk] has joined #scheme 19:24:38 what does it mean when you provide an argument to the continuation procedure ? 19:24:58 like (shortcut "Ohmigod") 19:25:11 r5rs call-with-current-continuation 19:25:12 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_566 19:25:12 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/dn3xsn 19:25:45 see 2nd para 19:25:48 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 19:26:41 maennj: call/cc doesn't return a continuation but instead passes a continuation to the arg 19:28:15 aah 19:30:56 R5RS is terse but complete. Read the entire description. If that's too terse, Dybvig provides more examples in TSPL4 3.3. 19:31:42 okay 19:31:43 thanks 19:33:48 maennj: if you aren't at least a strong lisper... leaning scheme from r5rs is difficult. 19:36:00 yea I'm new to functional programming in general, it's required in course I'm taking. But scheme attracted me and now I found myself trying to learn new things I'm not even required to 19:36:18 but TSPL4 book looks good I'll have to read it 19:37:40 If you're using a version of Scheme prior to R6RS, read TSPL3 instead. 19:38:14 oh okay, we're using r5rs in class 19:38:49 Also - lots of folks get into call/cc and define-syntax too early. A: "How do I GOTO?" B: "Use call/cc." A: "ooo-kaaay...." (hilarity ensues) 19:40:03 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:09 At this stage, you're better off restructuring your program than using either call/cc or define-syntax. Think of needing them as signs that you're doing something wrong. 19:40:11 lol 19:40:12 yes... if your just starting and are trying to use call/cc... then your (doing it wrong)(tm) 19:40:19 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 19:40:21 phao [~phao@189.107.169.28] has joined #scheme 19:40:52 you might use call/cc for coroutines or exception handling... 19:42:06 ah okay I actually wanted to learn call/cc for exception handling 19:42:30 is there an exception concept in scheme or it's just done using call/cc 19:43:03 plt has an exception concept 19:43:20 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:43:24 It was standardized in R6RS. Most Schemes have some form or other. 19:43:49 There's SRFI 12. 19:44:42 I guess I will leave that to later when I need it :) 19:45:27 YAGNI! Very wise. 19:45:34 I don't have stats on implementations of withdrawn SRFIs, but looking at the mailing list there seems to have been many complaints that weren't unresolved: I would characterize it as abandoned. 19:46:05 -!- Fisherman [~reynirpyt@94.191.222.202.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:46:21 Superseded by 34-36 I think 19:46:34 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:46:37 fschwidom [~fschwidom@p5B26C336.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:47:57 And 12 was based on Friedman-Haynes-Dybvig's 1995 proposal. 19:49:56 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:50:43 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 19:50:57 Clearly it all belongs to the same tradition as R6RS. 19:51:08 which IMAO is pukey. 19:51:35 A = astute? almighty? anything-but-umble? 19:52:53 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-202.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:53:57 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-202.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:54:17 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 19:55:34 arrogant, usually 19:59:10 Out of curiosity, jcowan, why do you think it's pukey? 19:59:19 as opposed to pukka? 19:59:58 It introduces multiple inheritance and shadowing in a very limited way just to resolve a problem that could perfectly well be handled without it. 20:00:31 The raising/handling machinery is fine, it's just conditions themselves I don't like. 20:00:37 Ah. 20:00:49 But as always I am open to be convinced otherwise. 20:01:05 (I want to become right, not to have been right.) 20:01:38 parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 20:02:45 That's my gut reaction, too. But I haven't tried to write a program using R6RS conditions, nor have I tried to solve the problem myself. Perhaps it'd feel better if we already had CLOS. 20:02:46 Alright. Thanks for sharing your opinion, jcowan. 20:04:58 -!- fschwidom [~fschwidom@p5B26C336.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:31 -!- merimus [~makin@office.vivisimo.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:06:45 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-202.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:07:22 incubot: You want something else, go do something else something else. 20:07:25 I didn't really see it, but at least people in the room now think that I must be doing something very interesting :-] 20:09:29 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-202.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 20:12:47 -!- dmoerner [~dmr@89-196.res.pomona.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:13:20 hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC5B636.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:13:25 -!- masm [~masm@bl9-112-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:15:51 fschwidom [~fschwidom@p5B26C336.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:16:23 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:28 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:17:03 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 20:19:47 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20:01 -!- maennj [~maannj@2002:185a:d775:0:225:ff:fe4a:5683] has quit [Quit: maennj] 20:23:05 -!- fschwidom [~fschwidom@p5B26C336.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:06 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:48 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:31:29 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:10 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.169.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35:00 -!- pinchyfingers [~user@pool-173-62-244-19.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:43 -!- fooki [fooki@h-73-135.A165.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:08 Interesting fun: http://therighttool.hammerprinciple.com/ 20:39:57 alaricsp! how goes it? 20:40:30 Fare! I'm working too hard. How are you? 20:42:39 procrastinating harder 20:43:30 Excellent 20:43:34 Still working for ITA? 20:45:08 bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:45:09 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-221.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:46:44 Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:47:45 -!- cpr420 [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:49:47 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:50:37 kolistivra [~J@78.179.208.205] has joined #scheme 20:51:09 hi, is it possible to use a lambda within a lambda. if it is, how to refer to inner one for recursion? 20:51:38 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 20:52:27 you can use the Y combinator 20:54:31 Fisherman [~reynirpyt@94.191.222.202.bredband.3.dk] has joined #scheme 20:56:49 still there 20:58:04 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-23-242.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:00:23 dmoerner [~dmr@90-14.res.pomona.edu] has joined #scheme 21:00:44 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:05:31 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe [~nice@p5B132DEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:29 jonrafkind: i'm quite a beginner in scheme, and from my brief inspection, the y combinator seems a bit advanced(or maybe i didn't look good enough). is there any other way or i should create another function instead of the innermost lambda? 21:06:48 you can name the lambda and use the name 21:07:05 (define (out) (define (in) ...) 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23:23:01 http://pastebin.com/xa5HKw6N 23:23:08 and explain* 23:25:54 for the same reason as (new-if #t (display 'yes) (display 'no)) 23:29:27 how does one redefine a function in the repl from a loaded module, or how does one switch to another evaluation context in the repl? 23:30:12 ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 23:30:25 Thomas_H: Consider rewriting new-if as a macro. 23:30:27 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@185-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 23:30:44 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:33:21 I'm confused as to why my test of (new-if (= 1 1) 0 5) works and (new-if (= 1 2) 0 5) works but aspect's thingy doesn't work 23:34:02 Thomas_H: what is the rule of evaluation of (x y z) ? 23:34:58 what do you mean? 23:35:09 What should be done to evaluate (x y z)? 23:36:12 you have to press enter after closing peren... 23:36:28 *sladegen* can't resist spoiling the aha moment. 23:36:33 :-) 23:37:10 I.. what? 23:37:36 Yes. If you want to evaluate (x y z), what do you have to do? 23:38:34 deeescribe it in your own words. it's the psychoanalysis school of pedagodie. 23:39:21 C-x C-e? :p 23:39:50 are you talking about my code or your (x y z) thing? 23:40:02 10 points for cuteness... 3 for the effort. 23:40:22 just answer the man. 23:40:23 What about evaluating x, then evaluating z, then evaluating y, then calling the result of evaluating x (which must be a procedure) with as arguments, the results of evaluating x and y? 23:40:51 This is the B.A.BA of scheme. 23:41:11 -!- kolistivra [~J@78.179.208.205] has left #scheme 23:41:31 Maybe this helps you, consider this results: 23:41:42 B.A.BA? 23:41:42 > (if (= 1 1) 2 a) 23:41:42 2 23:41:53 > (new-if (= 1 1) 2 a) 23:41:53 reference to undefined identifier: a 23:42:25 Ah, someone who've been taught to read with the global method... 23:43:27 To learn to read correctly, you learn the letters, such as B, and A, and then you learn to compose syllabes such as BA from the letters, and then you learn to compose words from the syllabes such as BANANA. 23:44:28 ABCs might have been less confusing... /me confused, too. 23:45:36 phao [~phao@189.107.228.203] has joined #scheme 23:45:56 Well, ABC is like lists are made of (, elements separated by spaces and ). 23:47:07 Maxel_ [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:47:59 *sladegen* gives into his ADHD and starts talking to incubot 23:50:19 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51:28 incubot: i want my aha moment! 23:51:30 Bah! That may look shorter, but compare the asymptotic complexity! I think it's somewhere around O(m*n^4), but I'm not quite focussed enough at the moment to analyze it seriously. 23:52:19 -!- foof [~user@lain.inunome.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:52:43 jeez, those complex statetements must come from logs at least from the last century. 23:54:22 incubot: butts 23:54:25 eval (begin (display "big butts and i cannot lie") "i like") 23:54:31 heh 23:55:29 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@70-36-146-118.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: ros3] 23:57:55 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ac735ac.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]