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I was setting a bogus browser :| 01:12:21 I didn't realize it wasn't really in my PATH 01:13:44 on the other hand, even with the "ask later" setting, it just threw an error instead of actually asking anything... 01:17:45 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-187.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:00 -!- Quadrescence is now known as `q` 01:18:01 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-187.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 01:18:39 -!- FareWell [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:19:09 FareTower [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 01:27:29 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:34:41 -!- grok [~amtgrok2@137.229.82.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36:52 *Axioplase_* yawns 01:39:03 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 01:40:36 *foof* yawns 01:41:37 -!- curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:41:39 *Daemmerung* dawns 01:48:15 holidays are over, back to work :( 01:49:35 curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:49:57 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: snarkyboojum] 01:50:14 grok [grok@199.165.97.104] has joined #scheme 01:52:17 at least i have an apartment now! 01:52:18 \o/ 01:52:59 foof: where are you now? 01:54:58 -!- mae_tae [~7960fb0e@gateway/web/freenode/x-jggnggaeryxuqqlq] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:55:57 back in tokyo 01:56:10 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:25 the new place makes for a longer commute but is still biking distance 01:56:45 ... which is crucial because tokyo subways are evil, evil, evil :( 01:57:28 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 01:57:41 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 01:58:32 -!- IJP [~Ian@host86-173-116-174.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:59:51 bitweiler [~phax@adsl-69-152-186-215.dsl.pnblar.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:01:19 hmm. too much people crushing? 02:01:28 or other stuff 02:01:32 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:02:11 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-187.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:02:16 yeah... depending on the line. if you can read it's OK, but the line i ride from the guest house i'm staying at now is too crowded to effectively read a book. 02:02:27 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176205125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:02:58 it's not even the worst line, though it's in the top 10 most crowded. 02:04:44 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 02:04:49 foof: have they given up on literally packing everyone into a train now for the most part, or is it still standard 02:05:26 I just remember the old videos of people that would literally pack trains full, dunno if financial success means those days have come and gone 02:05:52 no, they still pack, the line i'm on now the train attendants will push the last person in so the doors close if necessary 02:06:06 ewww 02:06:17 which is why i bike :) 02:06:20 ye 02:06:21 s 02:06:25 I understand :P 02:06:32 also probably more exercise :P 02:07:04 (the same line also has a high # of suicides) 02:08:50 the worst line is apparently the loop line, though i've never ridden it during the rush hour 02:13:39 commuter suicides? 02:14:17 yeah. it seems like people that do the suicide thing and inconvenience people tend to do it with trains in Japan, the autobahn and cars in Germany, and bridges in the Americas. 02:14:32 aspect: I think standing in front of a bullet train 02:14:58 it was more comical for me to imagine people hanging themselves in a packed carriage 02:15:21 suicide is usually not that funny, even when it is 02:15:35 usually not the bullet train, those are harder to get close to 02:15:54 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:15:58 also the Japanese aren't too polite to prevent something like that in the middle of a train 02:16:35 people jump in front of cars in germany? 02:17:05 people drive cars the wrong way on the autobahn, often at high speeds 02:17:05 foof: crowded line? Which one? 02:17:09 -!- bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:24 I dunno how common it is in reality, but common enough to hit the media 02:17:35 and have a name for it in German, IIRC 02:17:37 I used to commute on the DenEnToshi, it was impressive 02:17:47 Axioplase_: denentoshi between sancha & ikejiri 02:18:29 I'm not sure if the analogy is perfect, since that may be closer to the Americas (especially US) practice of suicide by cop. 02:18:55 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 02:18:57 which is beyond, you know, regular inconvenience 02:19:59 myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 02:20:24 Axioplase_: http://station.next-group.jp/congestion_ranking.php?area=3 02:20:44 -!- myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:20:54 denentoshi between ikejiri & shibuya (one stop over) is #10 at 193% 02:22:10 i'm moving to odakyu line, not great at #14, but still biking distance 02:22:18 i just have to deal w/ it on rainy days :( 02:22:36 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:23:27 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 02:25:01 timj_ [~timj@e176217113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:31:12 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:26 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 02:39:34 -!- grok is now known as kaleep 02:39:48 -!- kaleep is now known as grok 02:41:25 -!- flaggy [~r333t@189.107.203.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:46:30 (define (evens ls) 02:46:31 (if (null? ls) 0 02:46:31 (append '(cadr ls) '(evens '(cddr '(ls)))))) ok, this gives me trouble saying it doesn't like me. (i can't understand the error) my basic goal is to extract the even indexed elements. 02:47:47 'what 'do 'you 'think 'quote 'does? 02:47:49 anyone able to translate the gobbledegook i'm writing? 02:48:17 i assumed it indicated that it wishes to treat the following value as a list. 02:49:58 -!- curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:50:03 No. Quote prevents evaluation. (+ 3 4) evals to 7, but '(+ 3 4) evals to a list of three elements. + evals to a procedure that performs addition, but '+ evals to a symbol. 02:50:46 ok. 02:51:06 thanks, i'll go back through what i'm working with and see if this makes more sense 02:51:37 One other thing to look out for - 02:51:41 rudybot: init scheme 02:51:44 Daemmerung: your scheme sandbox is ready 02:51:47 ''5 02:51:50 I mean 02:51:54 *offby1* was just about to wonder if there was some way to demonstrate 02:51:56 rudybot: eval ''5 02:51:56 Daemmerung: ; Value: (quote 5) 02:52:01 rudybot: eval '''''''''''''5 02:52:02 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 02:52:02 *offby1: ; Value: (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote (quote 5)))))))))))) 02:52:07 rudybot: quote 02:52:07 *offby1: I'll develop your java. 02:52:11 *offby1* nods sagely 02:52:31 -!- bitweiler [~phax@adsl-69-152-186-215.dsl.pnblar.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:31 rudybot: Daemmerung 02:52:31 *offby1: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 02:52:38 rudybot: can you help poor grok? 02:52:38 *offby1: I discovered it after thinking "geez, I wish 'locate' could separate its output records with nul, so that 'xargs -0' would grok it" 02:52:43 timj__ [~timj@e176222233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:10 This is just as unamusing as incubot. 02:53:18 chandler: exactly. 02:53:19 minion: advice, please. 02:53:19 #11919: No. You must believe the ERROR MESSAGE. You MUST believe the error message. 02:53:22 Note that the outermost quote is the only one that matters. 02:53:46 I tell ya -- if I didn't know from Lisp, "quote" would be pretty baffling. 02:53:54 Nothing like it in any other language, that I can think of. 02:54:23 *Daemmerung* goes back to watching the deer chow down on his crabapple 02:54:38 .oO(deer? crabapple?) 02:54:49 Daemmerung: are you in Nara? 02:55:56 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176217113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:56:54 Ha! Don't I wish. I'd be drunk off my ass on sake. No, Mazama. 02:57:30 they gots deer in Mazama, eh? 02:57:41 *offby1* has not yet found an excuse to viit 02:57:42 visit 02:58:03 http://www.harushika.com/ <-- why I would visit Nara on pilgrimage 02:58:21 (and these are even "spring deer" that I'm watching) 02:59:08 looks like an ad for booze, with a deer on the lavel 02:59:09 label 02:59:20 I was thinking more http://www.flickr.com/photos/raquelmonkey/4580821616/ 03:00:10 The deer here are pretty shy. Sensibly so. Not like, say, those beggars at Hurricane Ridge. 03:00:14 why does that booze-deer have a tree growing out of it? 03:00:57 it looks a little like the character for "Spring" 03:01:36 maybe I'm imagining that. 03:03:11 cant talk under feline assault 03:03:19 hep me hep me 03:04:40 ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has joined #scheme 03:05:12 cmiller [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has joined #scheme 03:05:21 -!- ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:32 cmiller_ [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has joined #scheme 03:07:33 -!- cmiller_ [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10:52 ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has joined #scheme 03:13:33 -!- ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29:59 -!- slyphon [~slyphon@unaffiliated/slyphon] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.2] 03:33:28 chupish [~182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/x-inawlzozctbieyqu] has joined #scheme 03:34:50 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176222233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:35:42 hohoho [~hohoho@p4b216c.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:47:42 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:47:43 timj__ [~timj@e176195226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:54:14 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176195226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:01:44 asarch [~asarch@187.132.133.62] has joined #scheme 04:06:47 -!- chupish [~182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/x-inawlzozctbieyqu] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:06:56 timj__ [~timj@e176199079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:13:19 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:16:02 -!- cmiller [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:21:25 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:07 -!- nowhereman [pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:07 kephas [pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 04:24:05 Daemmerung: Mazama? 04:26:08 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 04:26:34 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:30:09 (define (evens ls) 04:30:09 (if ( > 1 (length '(ls))) empty 04:30:09 (append ((list (cadr ls) (evens (cddr ls))))))) 04:30:35 now it recurses until it gets to cadr, i guess my base case is flawed. i was hoping it'd return empty as a base case 04:30:47 wow 04:31:02 rudybot: eval (length '(ls)) 04:31:03 *offby1: ; Value: 1 04:31:23 grok: I think you should write some unit tests. 04:31:40 rudybot: eval (define (evens ls) (if ( > 1 (length '(ls))) empty (append ((list (cadr ls) (evens (cddr ls))))))) 04:31:47 rudybot: eval (evens ' ()) 04:31:47 *offby1: error: cadr: expects argument of type ; given () 04:32:54 ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has joined #scheme 04:33:08 grok: I direct you to the solution: http://gist.github.com/391778 04:33:10 it's prose, not lisp 04:33:26 since I don't want to rob you of _all_ the pleasure of completing this homework assignment. 04:33:37 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176199079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:33:38 thanks. 04:34:04 it's true! homework is fun! It's just your screwed-up brain that thinks otherwise. 04:34:52 i'd walked through it, until it got to the empty set. i'd think it would return the empty set if it ever got to a set that is less than 2 in length 04:35:11 -!- ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:43 hm 04:35:55 what should it return when called like this: (evens '(2)) 04:35:56 ? 04:36:08 I kinda feel it should return (2), but that's jus tme 04:36:10 just me 04:36:24 look! I just wrote you a test case. 04:36:24 it'd return nothing. 04:36:33 ok, but is that what it _should_ return? 04:36:41 nothing. 04:36:45 oh. 04:36:52 perhaps I misunderstand the assignment. 04:37:06 I figured the assignment was to return a list containing all the even numbers in the input. 04:37:06 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.133.62] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:09 (presumably in the same order.) 04:37:10 ok, the assignment is for it to grab the even indexed elements in the list. 04:37:15 aaaahhhhhhh 04:37:36 2 is the 1 element in your example. 04:37:37 then ignore my earlier prose :-) 04:38:44 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-27-82-248-62-173.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:41:30 ok, more prose: http://gist.github.com/391786 04:43:42 exactly, that's the goal, but how do i force a return? 04:45:30 foof: Mazama. 04:46:40 timj__ [~timj@e176203138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:47:12 Daemmerung: where is that? :) 04:47:41 N central Washington State, USA. Pretty close to Canuckistan. A long way from Nara. 04:51:11 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-52-82-65-64-141.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 04:52:30 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-77-199.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #scheme 04:53:25 cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:57:03 -!- cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:06:27 HG` [~HG@xdslff046.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 05:09:46 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslff046.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:15:44 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:20:57 -!- seangrove [~user@cpe-76-171-251-67.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:27:33 is there an if then else statement in scheme? 05:28:29 There are a couple of them. Tell me, what reference are you using to learn the language? 05:28:46 fortune cookies 05:28:50 r5rs if 05:29:02 rudybot: eval (if #t "it's true" "nope, it's all a damned lie") 05:29:02 *offby1: ; Value: "it's true" 05:29:05 rudybot: eval (if #f "it's true" "nope, it's all a damned lie") 05:29:05 *offby1: ; Value: "nope, it's all a damned lie" 05:29:08 ...where the hell is specbot? 05:29:15 rudybot: doc if 05:29:15 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/if.html#(form._((quote._~23~25kernel)._if)) 05:29:26 don't need no steenkin' specbot 05:29:30 Anyway, if, cond, and case are all conditionals 05:29:42 *Daemmerung* cheers rudybot 05:30:25 rudybot: cheers 05:30:25 *offby1: cheers 05:30:29 rudybot: chin-chin 05:30:30 *offby1: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 05:32:40 grok: This was recommended to me yesterday... I've found it excellent so far. http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/ 05:34:35 i'm jumping from site to site trying to understand this language. never been a big fan of recursion. but well scheme is big on recursion 05:35:21 recursion is nicer if have tail call optimization. 05:37:31 But this is classwork, right? Has your teacher not supplied some text? 05:38:03 no text for the language, and we covered it in lecture a week ago. 05:38:28 not a big fan of this assignment for that reason, and that it was assigned yesterday and due tomorrow. 05:38:36 Oy. 05:47:23 -!- lisptast` [~user@cpe-76-177-227-49.natcky.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:55:18 HG` [~HG@xdslhl127.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 06:04:44 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has left #scheme 06:04:52 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 06:05:11 Yet another teacher who does his/her part ensuring that schemers stay a small and motivated crowd. 06:08:45 got it finally. 06:09:12 it's his first time teaching the class. end of the semester hecticness going on atm. 06:11:06 grok: Either way, not being "a big fan of recursion" means that your education is lacking. 06:12:24 *foof* is not a big fan of conditionals 06:13:02 Well, if you must burn something, burn the natural numbers -- they're responsible for this whole programming mess. 06:13:19 *Axioplase_* is not a big fan of atoms. 06:14:25 I think atoms are soooo overrated. Pairs are much better. At least twice as much informations. 06:15:01 I will create a language without atoms. Just streams. 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(define-getter type .... 13:34:14 and I want to make a (define-type syntax to wrap them all 13:34:20 it works 13:34:41 however it seems my "define" has been renamed 13:34:46 for example 13:35:07 (define-type point (x : number) (y : number)) 13:35:56 leads to a macro expansion (begin (define (make-point .... (point? .... (point-x ... 13:36:09 but I cannot access the make-point procedures 13:36:17 I think it is strange 13:37:02 MetaEntity: Could you paste some example code? 13:37:12 ok 13:37:22 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:46 http://paste.lisp.org/display/98864 13:40:59 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:41:14 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:43:30 bweaver I thought using nested syntax was quite 13:43:50 dzhus89 [~sphinx@93-80-105-171.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 13:44:41 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-202.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:45:15 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@93-80-114-11.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:45:20 hello leppie :) 13:45:31 hi MetaEntity 13:45:44 I tried IronScheme on a 32 bit, it is faster for startup 13:45:53 but it still takes like 5 seconds :) 13:46:21 if you ngen the assemblies, it will take a lot faster 13:46:58 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176199052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:46:58 sorry but what is ngen? 13:47:46 hmmm, open the .NET command prompt, go to IronScheme dir, and do ngen ironscheme.boot.dll 13:48:01 that should cover the dll's 13:49:05 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 13:49:10 ok thanks 13:49:41 there is about a 20 times improvement for startup 13:50:00 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 13:51:34 leppie, by the way what kind of wrapper for .NET did you do in scheme, I saw linq 13:51:52 I saw some server side web things 13:52:06 is there some file or web client side things? 13:52:11 quite a few little things, it's quite easy 13:52:45 ok 13:53:07 how do you map scheme port? 13:53:14 that web framework was just a little wrapper around ASP.NET (about 400 lines of Scheme) to allow it use SCheme as a backend language, mostly a glorified CGI 13:53:18 are they .net streams? 13:53:50 yeah, binary ports == Stream and textual ports are TextReader/TextWriter 13:54:06 ok 13:54:11 I used as much of .NET for the underlying libraries, so it mashes well 13:54:32 it means if I get a Stream I can use port functions on it right? 13:54:41 like hashtable is just a .NET Hashtable, bytevecotrs are byte[], vector = object[] 13:54:41 it is bidirectionnal 13:54:53 depends on the stream 13:54:54 ok thanks 13:55:08 but if it is bidirectional, it will work 13:55:09 ok 13:55:28 textual ports are 99% unidirectional 13:55:37 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:55:59 oh no, by bidirectional I was thinking about the mapping port <=> Strean 13:56:03 *Strea; 13:56:09 *Stream 13:56:18 azerty .... 13:56:36 a binary port is a Stream 13:56:51 you can just pass it to any .NET method expecting a Stream object 13:57:54 ok 13:58:46 I am using emacs with quack to develop, I tried to use iron scheme with it, but it seems there are some problems with the prompt 13:58:57 perhaps a need to flush or something like that 14:06:19 ahh 14:06:31 start ironscheme with -emacs 14:06:52 it handles the IO stuff better (no colors etc) 14:08:01 ok thanks, sorry for bothering you :) 14:08:07 I just found your doc lol 14:08:11 It is well done 14:09:08 I tried to write as much as I could 14:09:16 look on the codeplex wiki too 14:09:50 timj__ [~timj@e176218102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 14:11:22 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-150-18.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:30 -emacs doesn't work T T 14:12:27 -!- ASau` [~user@77.246.231.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:14:21 hmmm 14:14:57 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 14:15:03 it seems it still prints color... 14:15:53 yes 14:16:06 it makes the prompt invisible on emacs 14:19:33 ffs, this DLR code that deals with commandline is useless, totally spaghetti factory 14:20:29 ^^ 14:20:30 try ' -nologo -emacs' 14:20:47 ok 14:22:29 same 14:22:33 no prompt 14:22:53 no exception either? 14:22:57 but there is no color (or my scheme style) override them 14:23:04 yes 14:23:07 mmm 14:23:14 what emacs you using? 14:23:34 23.1.1 14:23:40 on windows 14:23:49 where can I download that? 14:23:51 (emacs GTK) 14:24:23 and tell me how to do that scheme shell thingy (i forgot again ;p) 14:24:40 ok :) 14:24:49 wait I am looking for the link 14:26:26 http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/57380/Emacs.html 14:26:53 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:27:29 ermm 14:27:35 im not building it from source! 14:28:18 sorry wait I thought there was binaries 14:28:21 http://paste.lisp.org/+24AA. 14:28:27 it's ok 14:28:29 this is my conf .emacs 14:28:35 I have version 23.0.60 14:29:12 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176218102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:29:23 masm [~masm@bl15-232-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 14:29:23 http://www.infos-du-net.com/telecharger/Emacs,0305-5032.html 14:29:42 there is the right version there (binary archive) 14:30:17 if the download doesn't start click on serveur de téléchargement n°1 14:30:44 ok 14:31:00 I am going to paste you the quack extension 14:31:07 loaded from the conf 14:31:13 dont use isc 14:31:35 rather use IroNScheme.Console.exe -- blah blah 14:32:29 I did both 14:33:24 I cannot paste you quack 14:33:35 I am going to give you the link 14:33:42 hmm 14:33:55 emacs tells me: USer has no home directory, what now? 14:34:14 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:28 http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/ 14:34:46 you need to set a HOME env variable 14:34:57 ok 14:35:14 you put a .emacs file in the directory referenced by the path of this env variable 14:35:26 oh wait 14:35:31 you add the quack.el in the same directory 14:35:34 ok 14:35:38 some friggen program hijacked my env var! 14:35:50 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 14:35:54 ? 14:35:58 no wonder many things went poo 14:36:06 lol 14:36:36 modify the .emacs first line to load quack.el 14:37:08 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-252-197.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 14:37:39 i think I have to reboot for this to work.... 14:39:28 you gonna have to wait a little while 14:39:48 ok 14:39:57 but it should work without rebooting 14:40:29 nope, i deleted it, but I think HOME should be a protected VAR so I dunno how that works 14:40:43 timj__ [~timj@e176194005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 14:41:57 ok 14:47:08 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:47:21 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:31 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 14:49:13 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 14:50:58 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:07 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 14:58:59 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 14:59:51 rudybot: t8 de pl unterhaltung 14:59:52 sladegen: rozrywka 15:00:04 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-202.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [] 15:00:28 incubot: high five unterhaltung 15:00:32 Someone once said Sing! is Automat und Telespiel. Leiten heute die Zukunft ein. Computer fuer den Kleinbetrieb. Computer fuer das eigene Heim. Reisen, Zeit, Medizin, Unterhaltung. Reisen, Zeit, Medizin, Unterhaltung. 15:01:11 rudybot: t8 en pl gibbberish 15:01:11 sladegen: gibbberish 15:01:21 rudybot: t8 en pl giberish 15:01:21 sladegen: giberish 15:01:47 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 15:02:05 rudybot: t8 en pl make some sensible sort of spelling suggestion, for peet's sake! 15:02:05 sladegen: zrobi jaki sensowny rodzaj pisowni propozycja dla peet bosk! 15:02:29 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #scheme 15:02:33 -!- xwl [~user@125.34.171.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:04:22 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-202.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:06:15 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:09:30 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:10:54 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 15:11:40 nurv [nurv@62.32.131.141] has joined #scheme 15:11:52 Hi. 15:13:36 -!- MetaEntity 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You caused quite a stir. 18:54:55 (was it last week? It might have been earlier) 18:58:01 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:59:27 cableray [~cableray@c-71-196-192-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:00:31 gnomon: heh, tx. the bulk of that story has yet to play out, hopefully ;) 19:01:02 (.. suggesting Emacs switch to Guile, or what ?) 19:03:05 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-04/msg00665.html 19:03:36 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-42-45.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 19:06:15 wingo, I 19:06:21 've got my tentacles crossed. 19:06:40 (note: it is easy to accidentally press the carriage return instead of the apostrophe when your tentacles are crossed) 19:07:12 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 19:07:14 hehe ;) 19:10:29 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-99-244.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:20:37 KingOfKarlsruhe [~nice@p5B14DA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:25:19 rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 19:37:51 uh, I didn't know Neil stepped down from Guile maintainance 19:38:03 didn't expect it so short before 2.0 19:38:26 -!- curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:33 this month, perhaps 19:41:54 *wingo* tracking down hygiene issues 19:42:15 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176192226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54:06 timj__ [~timj@e176208147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 20:05:46 chandler: lisppaste please ? :-)) 20:05:56 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176208147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:08:25 -!- cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:11:26 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Quit: Want lisppaste in your channel? 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And it explores the practicality of such a system. 21:58:45 incubot: Look, this code pushes a binding on the continuation and I need to find a way to remove it. The error message is because the garbage collector is evaluating the wrong binding. If I could remove the binding here, then the collector will see the correct binding here. 21:58:48 Lots of pushes. 21:59:19 incubot: ROTFL 21:59:21 rotfl, ok! 21:59:37 sladegen: seen sarahbot? 21:59:58 haven't been looking... 22:00:05 sladegen: yow! 22:00:13 Artificial intelligence, like fusion power, has been ten years away for the last 30 years. -- Conrad Stack 22:00:25 :_) 22:00:26 I Know A Joke 22:00:29 -!- choas [~lars@p5B0DF2F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:00:59 my /yow is lambda fortunes... /zip is more yowish. 22:01:29 cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:03:08 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:26 -!- IJP [~Ian@host86-173-116-174.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:24 incubot: Furthermore, he decided to build another layer of utility functions on top of the STL to perform common tasks such as tokenizing strings, looking up values in containers, reading from files etc. 22:07:27 well, if you have a bunch of containers that you've turned into monads by defining return and bind, then you can string things together easily. 22:08:02 -!- cky [~cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:09:38 timj__ [~timj@e176204045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 22:17:33 rudybot: seen riastadh? 22:17:33 mejja: No sign of riastadh? 22:18:01 rudybot: seen riastradh? 22:18:02 mejja: No sign of riastradh? 22:18:35 IJP [~Ian@host86-173-116-174.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 22:18:36 rudybot: yankee go home! 22:18:36 mejja: Oh my GOD -- the SUN just fell into YANKEE STADIUM!! 22:22:51 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:35 rudybot: later tell offby1 --/---/.-./. .-.././..-./..-./. -.../.-../---/-./-.././--..-- .--./.-.././.-/.../.! 22:24:35 minion: memo for offby1: mejja told me to tell you: --/---/.-./. .-.././..-./..-./. -.../.-../---/-./-.././--..-- .--./.-.././.-/.../.! 22:24:36 Remembered. I'll tell offby1 when he/she/it next speaks. 22:25:54 schmir [~schmir@p54A938EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:27:01 Leonidas pasted "static-map problem" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/98884 22:28:46 uhm, when I use this code the macro works somehow but returns always #\R. I suspect it is matching the name in line 9 with anything 22:29:18 but it doesn't even change when I add red yellow green to () in line 8 22:29:33 any ideas what I am doing wrong? 22:30:34 flaggy [~r333t@189.107.203.193] has joined #scheme 22:35:52 ok, fix'd, thanks for listening 22:36:25 Leonidas annotated #98884 "static-map, working now" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/98884#1 22:46:30 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: snarkyboojum] 22:49:35 sladegen: I think we will hit break-even for fusion before we get hard AI. 22:49:53 like, anything remotely resembling real hard AI. 22:50:28 of course, I think AI and Ai-derived fields will keep making steady but slow progress. 22:50:30 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:50:35 i doubt i'll see either... 22:50:59 sladegen: if ITER pans out we'll probably see breakeven not too long from now. 22:51:21 but breakeven isn't an economically viable reactor. 22:53:39 i've recently read... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMO just in for Unix end of the world... doubt it. i think photosynthetic-efficiency-level solar panels may be closer on the horizon... 22:54:16 photosynthesistetic (sic!) 22:57:11 and i still think that in stead of doing GM crops we just should implant chlorophil into our skin... energy problem solved. 22:59:00 Leonidas pasted "ypsilon+plt behaving strange" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/98887 22:59:59 Leonidas: you get what you pay for... 23:00:00 can someone explain me why mosh, ypsilon and mz all behave differently in this snippet? 23:01:10 *Leonidas* drank michele simionatos r6rs macro trickery kool-aid 23:01:26 spit it out. 23:02:37 Leonidas: maybe you need a more structured environment? 23:02:41 -!- mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/2010031700]] 23:03:31 sladegen: well, actually I am writing a paper about r6rs macros but it is kinda hard, when I have no clue what is happening 23:04:12 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ac735ac.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 23:04:27 me no help, me somewhat foggy in r5rs macro land, me no touch r6rs with six foot pole... 23:05:19 hmm, I could try what happens in r5rs. probably weird stuff, too. 23:05:40 though i tried running your previous paste in old scheme48 and it breaks... 23:06:14 yep, import is new in r6rs 23:07:06 hmm, PLT is really strange now. Operates differently depending on whether I run it from DrScheme or console (plt-r6rs) 23:07:07 no, without the r6rs machinery... but i doubt if enclosing it in s48 package would help. 23:08:15 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:09:07 eli: any idea why my paste displays "at metalevel n" twice for every n when run through DrScheme and only a single time using plt-r6rs? I set the language in DrScheme with #!r6rs, so that should be fine. 23:16:03 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-77-199.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #scheme 23:22:30 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:52 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 23:31:55 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A938EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:14 There doesn't seem to be a `bytevector` function in R6RS, was this intentional? 23:43:03 -!- phnglui [~phnglui@cpe-76-181-155-131.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:33 phnglui [~phnglui@198.30.120.200] has joined #scheme 23:46:33 phnglui_ [~phnglui@cpe-76-181-155-131.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:50:02 -!- phnglui [~phnglui@198.30.120.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:09 -!- phnglui_ is now known as phnglui 23:50:56 IJP: byteing is unsafe, you should nibblevector first in R6RS 23:51:48 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:53:05 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@33.232.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:55:38 -!- phnglui [~phnglui@cpe-76-181-155-131.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56:17 phnglui [~phnglui@cpe-76-181-155-131.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:58:45 phnglui_ [~phnglui@198.30.120.200] has joined #scheme