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Patricia tries. 13:00:22 the acm is a pack of scrooge mcducks 13:04:18 madmuppet006 [~madmuppet@203-211-89-91.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #scheme 13:10:37 I am going through the problems in the little schemer .. ib page 60 there is a problem introducing + .. if I use the symbol + the program freezes .. if I use plus instead the pgrogram works fine 13:16:10 -!- madmuppet006 [~madmuppet@203-211-89-91.ue.woosh.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:26 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 13:17:52 -!- doc_who [~doc_who@c-98-231-201-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:17:58 doc_who [~doc_who@c-98-231-201-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:22:37 -!- doc_who [~doc_who@c-98-231-201-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:19 doc_who [~doc_who@c-98-231-201-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:52:24 fabe [~fabe@p54A7FBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 13:59:48 cizra [elmo@81.25.252.19] has joined #scheme 14:00:00 phao [~phao@189.107.193.87] has joined #scheme 14:00:14 could anyone tell me why computer science people learn calculus? 14:00:57 Hi guys. http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs/r6rs-Z-H-7.html#node_sec_4.2.7 says that a valid escape character is \ : nothing, but in the examples is "Abc" and comment "U+0041, U+000A, U+0062, U+0063 if no space occurs after the A" 14:01:00 TR2N [email@89-180-137-55.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 14:01:07 So, the example doesn't match the spec? 14:01:59 phao: To develop their brain contorting ability? 14:02:15 masm [~masm@bl10-4-158.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 14:02:32 phao: Sometimes it's just because CS is a science degree and all science degrees have to take calc. 14:02:50 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 14:02:51 strange reasons 14:02:54 If you're talking about a university setting anyway. 14:03:12 thx anyway 14:04:42 i find sussman's SICM-style integrals and derivations in scheme to be quite lovely, on a programming languages level 14:04:49 *derivatives 14:13:22 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:32 any chance anyone has a neat mechanism to come up with color schemes? 14:17:32 :) 14:20:15 -!- foof [~user@lain.inunome.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:22:11 i usually just use the tango palette 14:22:46 http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines 14:25:23 here's what i was looking for tho: http://0to255.com/ 14:29:47 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:45 zeroish` [~zeroish@c-76-98-192-104.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:33:05 phao: because, not uncommonly, computer science people have to do something that involves physics 14:33:22 and doing that without calculus or analysis is annoying 14:33:36 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 14:34:33 if you do graphics or a lot of simulation work, then it has some obvious utility 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known mistake is better than an unknown truth.] 16:49:07 -!- slyphon [~slyphon@unaffiliated/slyphon] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:52:05 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 16:54:09 anddam [~andrea@93-44-99-124.ip96.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 16:54:11 hello 16:54:53 how long should guile -c "(use-modules (ice-9 slib)) (require 'new-catalog)" take? 16:56:48 karme [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-001-160.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #scheme 16:57:09 I have no output and it just gets stuck, I'm using guile 1.8.7 and slib 3b1 in macports on OS X 16:57:19 any hint appreciated 17:03:51 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-153.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:11:50 there is #guile, too. slib... and guile are not loved much here. and if i had a mac i'd probably not be sitting in front of a computer ircing... 17:13:16 MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined 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for in the second regard. 17:31:58 yeah, i know, but as the saying goes "the mind of a hungry is filled with bread". 17:33:02 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:33:20 kenpp [~kenpp@188-222-117-86.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 17:33:22 unless it's a hungry zombie. then it's filled with brains. 17:33:27 funny how that works. 17:33:38 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 17:34:33 Or a hungry p-zombie, in which case it's filled with nothing at all. 17:34:55 due to my daily cycle i'd rather like to think of myself more highly... i'm no zombie, i'm a vampire... 17:43:54 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 17:51:38 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 17:59:21 sladegen: I'd love to party but I want to install gwave too 17:59:26 why aren't guile and slib loved? 17:59:35 I'm 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Why do they leave you with (not (= x y)) rather than e.g. (=/= x y)?