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Email lisppaste-requests AT common-lisp.net.] 01:13:56 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 01:14:30 reprore_ [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:19:34 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 01:24:51 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:28:31 sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:39:48 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:51:28 Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-36-194.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 01:51:30 #straighedge 01:51:44 #compass 01:52:39 uh, yes; that's what saint_cypher said 1:40 ago :) 01:52:51 great minds etc. 01:56:10 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 02:00:16 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: snarkyboojum] 02:07:46 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.112.100] has joined #scheme 02:08:51 -!- Axioplase_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:12:49 -!- masm [~masm@bl7-36-204.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:15:37 -!- twobitsprite [~isaac@75.127.97.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:17:34 twobitsprite [~isaac@li24-165.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 02:27:30 -!- reprore_ [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:35 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-208.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:33:21 Axioplase_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #scheme 02:38:12 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 02:38:57 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:47:42 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-143-148.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:49:39 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!] 02:50:02 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 02:52:33 timj__ [~timj@e176221252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:47 drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:53:53 -!- slyphon [~slyphon@unaffiliated/slyphon] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.2] 02:56:51 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176195160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:57:17 jcowan: any additional proposals forthcoming? :) 02:57:45 I'll have to review my stuff at tinyurl.com/thing-one against what's already present. 02:58:13 I have a process concern, though, which is that R5RS-only will pass by default simply because most p-eople aren't going to bother to vote. 02:59:59 yes... most of the members are non-members 03:00:50 but if they don't submit a ballot at all then we can just exclude them from the vote 03:01:12 ... and at that point the group, as far as i'm concerned 03:01:31 -!- mooglenorph [~marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:02:02 alternately, i was actually debating opening up the vote to an electorate 03:03:01 unlike previous standards there is no abstaining or revoting, so we could realistically allow the whole community to vote on every issue 03:04:43 -!- Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-36-194.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 03:06:26 russkey [~russkey@ool-18bb0ebd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:09:11 I don't understand how that would work. 03:09:40 If you count not voting as voting for the status quo, then essentially everyone on the planet is voting for the status quo. 03:10:27 well, as with the R6RS ratification we create an electorate 03:12:21 OIC. 03:12:55 I think as a technical matter we would have to treat such votes as nonbinding and then revote them, although if 2/3 of members present and voting agreed we could change the rules. 03:13:02 (Or by unanimous consent) 03:14:00 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 03:14:01 one problem, though, is the ballot would be long, and people may not have time/interest/knowledge to vote on every issue 03:14:24 if we require every issue be filled out, we may get bad votes 03:14:53 so in the case of an electorate, perhaps abstaining should be an option, and we only take percentages among those who _do_ vote on an issue 03:14:59 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:15:53 Basically I am not happy with any of this: I don't like minority rule. 03:16:14 you mean you don't like majority rule? 03:16:33 No. If the threshold for something is 90%, then a minority of 11% can block it. 03:16:49 they're not ruling, they're just sticking with R5RS 03:16:58 a minority can't actively change anything at all 03:17:30 a pure majority makes it too easy to get in borderline or ill-thought-out ideas 03:18:00 you may not like the system, but it's _definitely_ not minority rule 03:20:32 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-75-20-234-149.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:20:46 When the will of the majority is not the effective will of the group, you don't have majority rule. 03:21:06 i never said it was pure majority rule 03:21:13 i think majority rule is usually a bad idea 03:21:37 that's why in the States we have majority rule, minority rights 03:22:08 Indeed, and a minority has a lot of rights by parliamentary law. 03:23:30 and the threshold is not yet decided, but if something gets by on 51% i don't think it belongs in WG1 03:26:32 -!- seamus-android [~alistair@host86-177-222-145.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:28:42 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:30:25 Evidently we aren't going to agree on this. 03:31:49 really? you think a 51% majority should win? o_O 03:32:47 I believe that the WG should make decisions by a majority of the legal votes cast. 03:37:59 i believe the majority is important, but historical precedent and not going back and forth on the issues every 5 years is important too 03:38:37 Poeir [~Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:39:22 I suppose 90% is better than 100% at that. 03:40:34 peter_12 [~peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 03:40:55 not to mention avoiding feature creep - it's easy to gradually add features to scheme over the years, not so easy to take them away 03:42:04 True, but I think WG2 takes the pressure off. 03:42:09 "Scheme, batteries included" 03:42:18 sphex_ [~nobody@modemcable069.149-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:42:32 oh, i'm _only_ talking about WG1 voting 03:42:43 i think WG2 should have much more lax requirements 03:44:57 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:45:31 and anything that fails to get the required majority in WG1 should be immediately up for consideration for WG2 03:45:51 -!- sphex [~nobody@modemcable069.149-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:49:12 reprore_ [~reprore@p4b216c.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:49:29 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-162-12-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:49:35 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:50:02 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-162-12-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 03:52:31 put another way, i don't want to give future standards any reason at all not to be based on WG1 03:52:51 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-75-20-234-149.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 03:55:36 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 03:56:15 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:59:55 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:02:27 -!- Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:03:31 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:02 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:07:59 -!- rudybot [~luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:27 -!- peter_12 [~peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:41 rudybot [~luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 04:11:09 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-99-184-146-45.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:11:46 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@120.152.112.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:14:23 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:14:41 Flushot [~akao@96.242.134.157] has joined #scheme 04:15:39 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:20:12 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 04:24:05 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:24:36 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 04:25:39 dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:29:51 Maxels [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:32:04 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:22 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:36:15 cky: JFYI, Chicken compiles Scheme to C. 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12:03:34 foof: I don't know if you remember Taligent from the 90's 12:04:12 mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 12:04:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taligent 12:06:54 yep, googled it :) 12:07:01 and those developers wrote ICU? 12:08:30 attila_lendvai [~ati@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #scheme 12:09:24 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:17 nurv [nurv@83.231.85.133] has joined #scheme 12:15:24 Hi. 12:15:56 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 12:20:17 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #scheme 12:21:23 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.21] has joined #scheme 12:21:26 sstrickl_ [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:22:36 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:36 -!- sstrickl_ is now known as sstrickl 12:22:43 foof: that's what it sounds like 12:29:48 -!- bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:33:17 xwl [~user@123.115.127.250] has joined #scheme 12:34:58 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:51:59 -!- rup [Rupert@deathcoil.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04:02 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:46 -!- Gertm [~Gertm@mail.dzine.be] has left #scheme 13:18:48 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@64.119.20.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:24:05 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:10 slyphon [~slyphon@unaffiliated/slyphon] has joined #scheme 13:30:39 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 13:36:30 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 13:46:52 -!- slyphon is now known as slymac 13:52:51 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 13:55:37 dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:56:22 rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 14:04:34 myu2 [~myu2@w179122.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 14:12:00 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 14:13:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:16:59 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:42 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-231.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 14:23:15 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:58 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-61-82-250-117-21.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:25:00 -!- rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:17 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 14:30:11 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-162-12-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:34:02 Len_ [~Len@77.127.203.210] has joined #scheme 14:36:10 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 14:36:50 alvatar [~alvatar@225.119.20.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 14:37:05 NNshag [user@lns-bzn-20-82-64-19-164.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 14:37:14 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-20-82-64-19-164.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:16 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-20-82-64-19-164.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 14:40:06 Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-36-194.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 14:41:17 -!- myu2 [~myu2@w179122.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:06 parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 14:57:08 thom_logn: What version of PLT scheme are you using? 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1 (car '(1 2 3))) 15:56:45 leppie: your sandbox is ready 15:56:45 leppie: ; Value: #t 15:58:37 I think "eq?" on numbers is asking for trouble 15:58:47 http://ironscheme.codeplex.com/Thread/View.aspx?ThreadId=210715&ANCHOR 15:58:50 rudybot: eval (eq? (expt 10000 1000)(expt 10000 1000)) 15:58:51 offby1: error: module: no #%module-begin binding in the module's language in: (module program rnrs) 15:58:55 *sigh* 15:58:59 rudybot: init scheme 15:58:59 offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 15:59:01 rudybot: eval (eq? (expt 10000 1000)(expt 10000 1000)) 15:59:01 offby1: ; Value: #f 16:00:00 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A9083F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:00:17 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:08:02 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:27 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@57.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:11:07 -!- xwl [~user@123.115.127.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:29:30 *Daemmerung* recycles 13 years of old Windows CE devices 16:32:02 -!- Len_ [~Len@77.127.203.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33:20 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:33:42 Len_ [~Len@77.127.203.210] has joined #scheme 16:34:13 Yeah, I think the general rule of thumb (and by no means guaranteed by Scheme) is that fixnums are eq? if they are the same quantity but bignums are not (in general). 16:34:57 Like offby1 said, it's an implementation detail not to be relied on. :-P 16:36:27 ah 'spec leppie knows that 16:36:45 :) 16:36:53 how's iron scheme? 16:37:20 How old Cary Grant? => Old Cary Grant fine. 16:37:23 not been working on it much this year 16:59:41 -!- cky [~cky@h-166-165-156-143.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:00:18 alvatar [~alvatar@57.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 17:08:48 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 17:09:41 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15:45 rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 17:17:31 cky [~cky@h-166-165-145-175.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 17:29:50 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:48 chittoor [~rajesh@115.117.205.244] has joined #scheme 17:52:52 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:15 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:57:07 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:57:16 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 17:57:22 -!- rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:59 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@57.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:09 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dysinger] 18:04:40 alvatar [~alvatar@61.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:08:51 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09:12 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:09:24 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@61.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:23 -!- nurv [nurv@83.231.85.133] has quit [] 18:11:24 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 18:11:33 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:12:05 alvatar [~alvatar@190.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:14:30 -!- cky [~cky@h-166-165-145-175.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Quit: All right, time to hit the road....] 18:16:02 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:46 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 18:22:25 attila_lendvai_ [~ati@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 18:26:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:39:21 saccade_ [~saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:48:15 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 18:48:57 aintme [~Miranda@117.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:54:04 mejja [~user@c-35bce555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 19:00:39 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:00:50 Belaf [~campedel@194.209.131.192] has joined #scheme 19:16:30 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 19:18:12 mdmkolbe [~adamsmd@2001:18e8:2:244:212:3fff:fe43:5290] has joined #scheme 19:19:05 Is there a way to write a "define-values" like "let-values" in R6RS? I'm thinking the answer is "no", but maybe I'm missing something. 19:19:37 e.g., (define-values (x y) (values 1 2)) (+ x y) 19:24:47 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has joined #scheme 19:25:51 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-127-113.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:27:34 mdmkolbe: I can't think of an efficent way of doing so, but you could certainly express it inefficiently. 19:28:03 mdmkolbe: Simply define an introduced name to the list of values returned by the form, then define each name to be successive elements of the list. 19:32:07 chandler: that make sense (obvious in hind sight), but like you say it wouldn't be efficient 19:41:02 -!- aintme [~Miranda@117.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: /* */] 19:41:21 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:24 HG` [~HG@xdslea179.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 19:44:41 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:47:45 -!- Belaf 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