00:01:11 askhader: that depends on which scheme you are using ;) 00:01:23 plt-scheme 00:01:40 file-exists? 00:01:57 nice easy to remember name 00:01:58 Thank you. 00:02:01 Yep! 00:04:34 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:06:30 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 00:11:25 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.149] has joined #scheme 00:15:01 When I include (open-output-file "logs/logbook" #:exists 'can-update) in a definition, my code will not compile becauses "logs/logbook" does not exist. However I have the #:exists 'can-update flag for that very purpose (it creates the file if it does not exist) - What have I overlooked? 00:21:02 Does the directory exist? 00:23:23 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:25:14 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:27:12 IJP: That did it, thank you 00:27:59 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 00:29:18 -!- quotemstr [~quotemstr@cpe-67-247-228-249.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: quotemstr] 00:30:20 quotemstr [~quotemstr@67.247.228.249] has joined #scheme 00:30:56 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A92793.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:31:07 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:41:35 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-224-2.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:45:06 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:23 -!- elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: elderK] 00:46:50 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:44 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 00:50:04 Let's visit Siberia. 00:51:39 Let's pretend we don't exist. 00:53:02 -!- masm [~masm@bl7-95-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:55:15 is there a way to get all ofthe functions and maybe some description of each listed for a particular scheme implementation? as in, is there a list of all of the functions that mit-scheme might provide? 00:55:37 also, there's not much to see in siberiea, quotemstr 00:56:04 Snow. tree. Snow. Tree. Gulag. Snow. Tree. Ice. Tree. Snow. Gulag. Ice. Tree. Right? 00:57:48 russkey: try: (environment-bound-names) 00:57:49 russkey: That depends on an implementation, but I know that Chez Scheme has a sort of comprehensive list of all of its procedures. 00:58:53 quotemstr: depends on the season. and not much by way of gulags these days. mostly trees, snow, and fields when its cold. and trees, grass, and flowers when its not cold. 00:59:00 sorry: (environment-bound-names system-global-environment) 00:59:20 I don't have mit-scheme installed anyway. 01:00:21 russkey: in chicken, you can install the chicken-doc extension and get most of the procedures/macros/parameters names. 01:00:24 ho, thats a lot, nurv 01:00:24 thanks! 01:00:32 samth_ [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:00:56 russkey: you can take a look here for more information on what's defined and where: http://sicp.ai.mit.edu/Fall-2003/manuals/scheme-7.5.5/doc/scheme_14.html 01:00:57 ",wtf .*" (without quotes) on the repl will do the trick. 01:01:25 Going to bed, have fun. 01:01:29 -!- nurv [nurv@83.231.16.191] has quit [] 01:04:21 -!- TR2N [email@89.180.184.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:04:57 TR2N [email@89-180-184-178.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 01:08:02 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:04 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 01:14:10 _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-gplxxahhzatodjzl] has joined #scheme 01:16:47 <_rata_> is it the only way to get the last char of a symbol to write (let ((sym-str (symbol->string sym))) (string-ref sym-str (- (string-length sym-str) 1))) ?? 01:18:03 phao [~phao@189.107.203.106] has joined #scheme 01:22:56 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 01:23:34 _rata_: Generally, you would consider a symbol to be a single, unreducable atom. 01:23:42 They're not really meant for breaking apart. 01:23:58 If you really want to break them apart, then you have to get their string representation in some form or another and do string work with them. 01:24:53 <_rata_> ok 01:25:28 <_rata_> and is it there a function like split-sequence, split-list or split-string? 01:29:01 -!- Colloguy [~flx@adsl-99-33-31-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:29:16 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29:20 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:32:03 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 01:32:41 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 01:40:14 Checkie [1628@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 01:42:02 sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:47:04 _rata_: You mean a function that splits strings on some particular character or set of characters? 01:47:16 _rata_: What implementation are you using? 01:47:55 <_rata_> right now I'm using PLT 01:48:05 <_rata_> but I find it a little slow 01:48:16 <_rata_> and I'd like to be able to use termite :) 01:48:24 Really, slow? 01:48:31 I must admit that it was quite...different going from Chez Scheme 8.0 to MIT Scheme 9.x, I'm glad MIT Scheme has an x86_64 version now, though, and that they've made an actual release. 01:48:49 chandler: Not such a strange assertion. ;-) 01:48:51 <_rata_> do you say a little slow in english? I think it is somewhat slow or a bit slow... 01:48:53 <_rata_> :P 01:49:09 arcfide: 01:49:12 Erk. 01:49:19 :-) 01:49:21 I'm just wondering what _rata_ is doing, such that it would be noticeable. 01:49:32 _rata_: Did you look at `regexp-split'? 01:49:35 Probably an exponention time string algorithm. :-) 01:49:44 Ack, exponential, even. 01:50:01 <_rata_> hahahahhahaha 01:50:25 <_rata_> no, I find it slow to "load" the PLAI module 01:50:50 Oh, and if anyone is interested, I've release a new version of the Arctic Repository which SRFIs that work for 8.0 now, and a few extra toy libraries in my arcfide directory. :-) Improved sockets, too. 01:50:51 <_rata_> and that it seems to load it again every time I click on Run 01:51:23 Load, as in download from PLaneT and compile it again? 01:52:02 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:13 What version of PLT are you using? 01:52:15 <_rata_> no, load as in "I have it downloaded already, but just load" 01:52:29 <_rata_> DrScheme 4.2.5 01:54:43 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 01:54:56 -!- samth_ [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:55:50 _rata_: I can't reproduce. I've got a file which contains only the #lang scheme line and (require (planet plai/plai:1:20)) . After the first time, subsequent loads are nearly instant. 01:56:19 I imagine it might take a bit longer on slower systems, but it still seems to be quite fast. 01:56:55 <_rata_> is there a difference between #lang plai and the require you used? 01:57:52 arcfide: I'm sure the real version of Chez is quite fast, but it's simply not an option for most people. PLT provides fairly good performance when compared to other free implementations. 01:58:03 MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 01:58:30 _rata_: You mean `#lang planet plai/plai:1:20' ? 01:58:35 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:58:51 _rata_: No; that seems to be equally fast. 02:00:55 <_rata_> I didn't want to bring about a fight about implementations... I find PLT a good implementation indeed... I'm a newbie though, so my opinion don't count very much 02:01:46 _rata_: How long does it take for a file containing only `#lang planet plai/plai:1:20' to run for you? 02:03:17 <_rata_> 4-5 seconds 02:04:05 OK. From your description, I was expecting something much longer. 02:04:06 <_rata_> the file is 124 lines long (blank lines included) 02:04:24 <_rata_> maybe I expressed myself in a wrong way 02:04:29 <_rata_> sorry if that was the case 02:04:47 <_rata_> (I'm not native speaker, so it's comprehensible) 02:04:58 <_rata_> *expectable 02:06:08 It's OK. Regarding your original question, did you look at `regexp-split'? 02:08:19 <_rata_> is it necessary to do a regex to have (split-sequence '(a b c d e) 'c) -> ((a b) (d e)) ? 02:08:40 <_rata_> or split-list, in this case 02:08:49 <_rata_> though a split-sequence would be nicer :) 02:09:09 Oh. I thought you were trying to split a character string. 02:10:11 <_rata_> for example, if it could do (split-sequence "hola schemers" #\Space) -> ("hola" "schemers") 02:10:14 <_rata_> that would be great 02:10:40 There's no standard sequence abstraction in Scheme. Are you thinking by analogy to the SPLIT-SEQUENCE package for Common Lisp? 02:10:51 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-184-178.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:11:21 <_rata_> yes, but I don't care if it's just one function split-sequence or many functions: split-list, split-string, split-etc... 02:11:45 I'm not aware of a prefab list function for this. 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I've tried (write " " filename) and it writes '" "', i've attempted (write #\newline file), same effect 04:13:26 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-146-156.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:14:46 -!- Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:17:29 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 04:19:07 haole [~ivan@189.34.163.243] has joined #scheme 04:19:29 does anybody knows if there is a pdf version of plt-scheme's documentation? i will need to work offline a little and that would be a pain 04:19:36 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:20:24 ktzqbp [~ktzqbp@unaffiliated/ktzqbp] has joined #scheme 04:20:35 haole: I'm pretty sure you can use wget or whatever to mirror the HTML doc 04:21:01 askhader: doesn't DISPLAY accept an optional port? 04:21:25 Axioplase_: Yes, just discovered this. Thanks 04:24:00 -!- twik [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:24:12 (let ((p (open-output-file "/tmp/scheme.out"))) (display 1 p) (display " " p) (display 2 p) (newline p) (close-output-port p)) 04:24:24 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #scheme 04:24:26 twik [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:24:32 -!- twik [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:24:56 twok [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:25:22 Don't forget to close the port or to flush it, because your implementation may not flush it for you even if the program terminates. 04:27:56 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@pool-72-64-103-214.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 04:31:41 Axioplase_: I thought call-with-output- 04:31:45 file is supposed to take care of that. 04:32:28 e.g., (call-with-output-file "/tmp/scheme.out" (lambda (p) (display 1 p) (display " " p) (display p) (newline p))) 04:33:51 Axioplase_: I...come from a C++ background, and therefore prefer automatically-managed resources (think RAII). :-P 04:34:50 fabe [~fabe@p54A7DDD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 04:37:14 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:39:30 haole: http://download.plt-scheme.org/doc/pdf/ 04:42:14 -!- Colloguy [~flx@64.134.236.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:44:24 elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 04:44:55 -!- haole [~ivan@189.34.163.243] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 04:46:27 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 04:46:46 -!- turbofail [~user@adsl-69-238-246-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58:30 -!- ktzqbp [~ktzqbp@unaffiliated/ktzqbp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:05:14 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:11:10 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:12:12 cky: yes, call-with-output does that. But since I didn't use it in my example, I had to tell him to close the port before he encounters unexpected bugs (it took me a while when I first encountered this behaviour. That's because some scheme implementations do buffering, while I expected only the OS to do it. And the OS *does* flush when you close a program.) 05:15:16 *nods* But unless there's a good reason not to use it, call-with-output-file is (in my opinion) the better way to go. 05:17:35 Probably. 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It's the way of the modern world. 06:18:13 _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-vgrerihcytyhshtu] has joined #scheme 06:18:44 Mail doesn't even do threading, does it? 06:19:37 Kinda-sorta. It identifies threads, but presents them as a big blob of messages. 06:20:16 that's right... that really sucked 06:20:32 that and not being able to use external tools to access your mail 06:20:51 -!- nasloc__ [tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:21:09 Well, I'm using IMAP; there's still the Maildir on the server. 06:21:39 timchen1` [tim@163.16.211.21] has joined #scheme 06:22:36 As far as threading goes, I'm fairly happy reading mailing lists using gmane where available. 06:23:46 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 06:26:18 chandler: Isn't the solution obvious? 06:27:37 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 06:31:11 eli: Hm? 06:32:55 chandler: > ps auxw | grep 'eli.*emacs' | wc -l ==> 9 06:34:20 If I'm going to run another copy of Emacs, I might just as well run a better mail client than gnus instead. 06:36:32 That's flawed logic. Having an emacs process dedicated to email means that you still interact with emacs rather than a browser or whatever. 06:37:56 Other than a set of keybindings I'm used to and the opportunity to curse at elisp any time I'm sufficiently motiviated to try to change the behavior of my editor, what does that get me? 06:39:44 If that's all you get from emacs, then why use it in the first place? It's not like customizable keys are a new idea. 06:41:54 I get more out of it as an editor than I would as a mail client, or a browser. Which is not to say I'm especially fond of it in any event, but it might be the best of bad options. 06:42:57 How is a mail client disconnected from an editor? 06:43:55 It's quite possible to edit the text of a mail in Emacs and use some other program to read and organize mail. 06:43:59 I do it all the time. 06:44:06 skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has joined #scheme 06:44:33 ktzqbp [~ktzqbp@unaffiliated/ktzqbp] has joined #scheme 06:47:25 ...and that sounds extremely inconveniet, which is the whole point of doing it all inside emacs. 06:48:26 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:50:27 I think using emacs as a mail client would be inconvenient 06:52:09 different meta-key strokes for different folks 06:52:24 i like having access to my mail locally, so i use hato-fetch to grab from gmail, and thus emacs doesn't hang when using mail 06:52:43 i also run ERC from emacs, though, and that can cause frustration 06:54:41 -!- ktzqbp [~ktzqbp@unaffiliated/ktzqbp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:54:42 That certainly helps. 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Do I just have to implement my own counter or is there a better way? 15:42:53 dzhus [~sphinx@89-178-157-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 15:43:15 -!- jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:44:28 metasyntax` [~taylor@75-149-208-121-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:45:56 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@89-178-157-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:38 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:49:00 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 15:49:17 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:34 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 15:50:40 mdmkolbe, gensym can't be implemented in r6rs 15:52:37 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 15:52:46 samth: darn, ok, I guess I can work around it. 15:53:51 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 15:54:21 fabe [~fabe@p54A7DDD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 15:57:28 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:11:37 arquebus [~sdf@201.139.156.133.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #scheme 16:12:15 nurv [nurv@62.32.135.54] has joined #scheme 16:12:26 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12:44 samth_ [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:13:10 -!- samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:13:14 -!- samth_ is now known as samth 16:15:38 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:42 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 16:22:06 -!- saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:24:14 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27:06 jlongster [~user@173-164-11-142-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:29:21 mdmkolbe: you should probably use syntax-rules or syntax-case 16:30:01 rotty: this has nothing to do with macros 16:30:44 in what other context would one need gensym? (just curious) 16:35:03 rotty: printing graphviz graphs 16:35:37 -!- ASau` [~user@77.246.231.114] has quit [Quit: off] 16:35:39 (i.e. serializing to a format that needs to store the eq? property) 16:36:29 you store graphviz data as S-expressions, right? 16:36:59 rotty: no, graphviz is just my serialization format 16:37:11 -!- arquebus [~sdf@201.139.156.133.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Quit: arquebus] 16:37:14 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37:23 my data is other stuff entirely. basically graphviz is my pretty printer for some graphical data 16:39:08 ok I see now that in CL one would/could use `gensym' for that 16:43:20 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 16:46:30 mdmkolbe: so you want a name generator that creates ids that are not already taken? 16:46:45 mdmkolbe: you could do so on your own with a generator procedure 16:46:52 C-Keen: yeah 16:47:38 yeah, I can just do (set! counter (+ counter 1)), but I was wondering if there was a way that didn't require me to keep around extra state (i.e. counter) 16:48:30 hide it in a closure 16:49:15 C-Keen: then that closure becomes a state token that must be passed around 17:00:42 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 17:01:31 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:03:02 -!- xwl [~user@123.115.98.63] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:05 mdmkolbe: Normally GENTEMP is used for such a thing in Common Lisp, and that's basically mutating a state variable. You could always pass that state around if you pleased (e.g. by using monadic style), but it doesn't really help with anything. 17:11:59 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 17:28:29 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 17:28:31 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 17:28:31 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 17:29:02 dzhus [~sphinx@89-178-157-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 17:35:02 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 17:35:56 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@89-178-157-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:37:37 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 17:38:19 ventonegro [~alex@187.51.143.218] has joined #scheme 17:40:08 sstrickl_ [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:40:56 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:11 -!- sstrickl_ [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 17:41:17 sstrickl_ [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:41:38 chandler, that doesn't generate a symbol that can't be the result of the next call to `read' 17:41:58 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:41:58 -!- sstrickl_ is now known as sstrickl 17:43:12 samth: But is that desirable if the symbol needs to be serialized eventually? 17:43:32 then that's not so important 17:43:42 unless you have chez-style permanent gensysm 17:49:02 -!- rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:56:35 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:56:43 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 17:57:08 choas [~lars@p5B0DC1BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:01:44 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@router1.hotdesktop.biz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01:52 copumpkin [~copumpkin@dhcp-212-193.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 18:02:29 jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 18:03:03 schmir [~schmir@p54A907B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:06:32 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@dhcp-212-193.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 18:09:25 -!- cky [~cky@h-98-133-189-90.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:10:56 davazp [~user@83.57.37.58] has joined #scheme 18:12:00 saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-17-208.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 18:22:28 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A907B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:24:01 [OT] does anyone know a stable URL that serves the MIT/X11 license, preferably not the OSI one? 18:24:38 alvatar [~alvatar@213.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:25:04 -!- saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-17-208.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:25:44 _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-rmorhaixvhwxruir] has joined #scheme 18:25:58 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:26:06 <_rata_> hello 18:27:16 -!- ventonegro [~alex@187.51.143.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:40 ventonegro [~alex@187.51.143.218] has joined #scheme 18:34:15 hi _rata_ 18:35:18 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:32 grettke [~rettke@mawdryn.mscs.mu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:44:44 -!- ventonegro [~alex@187.51.143.218] has quit [Quit: ventonegro] 18:45:55 saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-66-219.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 18:47:18 -!- Andrej [~Andrej@BSN-61-47-136.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:49:08 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:53:00 <_rata_> is there any central repository for scheme libraries/modules? 18:53:31 Alas, there are too many. 18:53:51 :-) 18:54:47 For some definition of "scheme". :-) 18:57:13 The trouble, rata, is that Scheme is not so much a language as a family of languages with a common core. 18:58:36 <_rata_> so there's no site for libraries based on R5RS or R6RS? 18:58:56 <_rata_> and not any other language of the family 18:59:38 _rata_: There are often code repositories for specific distributions, PLT has PLaneT for example and Chicken has eggs. There are also systems like SNOW. For R6RS in particular there are the SRFIs and all of the custom code that those guys use on launchpad. 18:59:39 _rata_: there are multiple implementations of Scheme. Most of them are incompatible in one way or another. Each implementation has its own set of libraries. 19:01:59 <_rata_> the problem with that is if I want to change from implementation, I have to search for and install every library I've used iin my scheme code, if it's available at all 19:02:13 Yes, it's a problem. 19:02:14 <_rata_> it's a pity, isn't it? 19:02:21 Yes. 19:02:27 Not just search & install, but often also completely change your app 19:02:37 Since most similar-functioning libs don't have the same API 19:02:58 <_rata_> that's even worse 19:03:05 yes 19:03:21 _rata_: it is not as bad as it seems 19:03:28 There are a few efforts (Snow! and Spells come to mind) to have a cross-scheme library archive 19:03:31 But those never took off 19:03:46 <_rata_> buuu :( 19:04:05 Pick a scheme and stop whining :) 19:04:10 Or just use Perl :P 19:04:47 _rata_: R6RS code is pretty portable 19:04:57 <_rata_> the only thing I did like about CL was that you didn't notice (to some extent) when you change from implementation 19:04:59 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:46 OTOH, R6RS code is pretty non-existent. 19:06:16 And no portability regarding to FFI. 19:08:00 mario_goulart: it is pretty easy to run R5RS code in R6RS 19:08:05 <_rata_> and do schemers like this problem? 19:08:16 _rata_: I thought most CL systems also came with their own libraries 19:08:54 grettke: but how many R6RS implementations do we have? :-) 19:08:59 <_rata_> yes, but there's not so much of it... you can normally change the implementation without noticing you changed 19:09:00 _rata_: They probably don't "like" it too much, but schemers in general like their implementation's unique capabilities 19:09:11 <_rata_> ah ok 19:09:27 <_rata_> but there are so many it's difficult to me to select one 19:09:37 <_rata_> *choose 19:09:53 _rata_: the set of practical ones is not that big. 19:10:02 Indeed 19:10:10 _rata_: what do you need it for? 19:10:17 I mean scheme. 19:10:35 <_rata_> I like some things about PLT, but Gambit, Ikarus and Larceny seem very good implementations too 19:10:50 Indeed. 19:11:08 <_rata_> I don't need it for something specific... rather, I'd like to use it for life :) 19:11:12 AFAIK the latter three don't have a library archive to speak of 19:11:19 It's probably better to think of the various Scheme implementations as their own languages that are fairly mutually intelligible. You don't get cross-implementation code portability for many things, but it's fairly easy to pick up a new implementation and start coding for it. 19:11:21 mario-goulart: too many or too few R6RS systems?! 19:11:47 grettke: too few, I think. 19:13:18 -!- davazp [~user@83.57.37.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:20 _rata_: PLT and Gambit are top-tier systems for sure. I would say that Ikarus is immature and Larceny is sporadically maintained. 19:13:38 Both Ikarus and Larceny are a source of interesting ideas, but I wouldn't call them "for life" tools. 19:14:05 Chez and PLT will last a while 19:14:15 <_rata_> but the idea of Larceny to have a compiler written in Scheme itself is very very attracting 19:14:19 So would Chicken or Gauche, I think 19:14:49 <_rata_> and for the benchmarks I have seen, Larceny is one of the fastest 19:15:07 _rata_: Scheme48 is entirely written in Scheme too, and Chicken has only one natively coded C file, the rest is Scheme 19:15:35 (actually, some low-level parts of s48 are C too) 19:16:02 <_rata_> sjamaan: and do they are compilers or interpreters? (or both?) 19:16:05 Larceny's Trac shows that in the past 90 days, there's been just one check-in, and it's a small Makefile tweak. 19:16:18 chandler: Chez? 19:16:23 _rata_: Chicken is a compiler and Scheme48 is a byte-compiler 19:16:28 grettke: Hm? 19:16:31 _rata_: chicken is both. 19:16:48 chandler: Chez is good or not? 19:17:28 It's good, but I'm unlikely to adopt a commercial tool, even if there is a free version. 19:17:49 <_rata_> sjamaan, mario-goulart: but chicken is not that fast, is it? (I haven't seen it top or near top in Scheme benchmarks) 19:18:05 <_rata_> chandler: I agree with you 19:18:15 It's medium speed to fast 19:18:47 <_rata_> mmmmm 19:18:53 _rata_: it's not the fastest, but it's quite fast. And has a rich set of libraries. 19:19:02 And a friendly community! :) 19:19:07 Indeed. 19:19:12 *sjamaan* highfives mario-goulart 19:19:21 :-) 19:19:27 <_rata_> hahhaahaha... that's important :) 19:19:35 And quite good documentation. 19:20:03 <_rata_> and which programming environment do you use with chicken? 19:20:11 emacs 19:20:19 I'd use that with any Scheme, actually 19:20:20 Most chicken users use emacs. 19:20:25 *mario-goulart* too 19:20:26 blist 19:20:30 mario-goulart: Really? That's not my impression - it's not bad, but I wouldn't say it approaches PLT's for thoroughness or quality. 19:20:31 <_rata_> with quack? 19:20:47 chandler: you mean the docs? 19:20:48 No, with paredit and scheme-complete 19:20:51 mario-goulart: Yes. 19:21:15 chandler: I don't know PLT in details, but I find chicken docs pretty good (for my taste). 19:21:22 Chicken docs vary a lot 19:21:32 Some are excellent, some suck (speaking about eggs mostly here) 19:21:45 Yeah, some eggs do suck. 19:21:58 OTOH, I haven't really any good documentation on PLaneT either 19:22:07 Most are just a flimsy README 19:22:14 I've seen some fairly good documentation on PLaneT, actually. 19:22:21 And some bad documentation. It varies. 19:22:30 Maybe I just saw the bad ones 19:22:33 I didn't dig in too deep 19:22:36 But I'm just thinking of what comes with the implementation here. 19:23:12 The Chicken Manual is alright, but it could be better, indeed 19:23:38 _rata: DrScheme, Vi, Emacs, JEdit 19:23:40 <_rata_> sjamaan: and do paredit+scheme-complete show you a "function contract/signature remainder" on the minibuffer? 19:24:25 <_rata_> grettke: Vi? 19:24:34 That's for sinners. 19:24:36 sjamaan: PLaneT is mostly user submitted code so you'll see a wide range of documentation quality 19:24:39 _rata_: It doesn't 19:24:41 _rata_: vim 19:24:48 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 19:25:08 grettke: So is Eggs Unlimited 19:25:11 grettke: the same for chicken eggs 19:25:14 <_rata_> sjamaan: I find that very useful 19:25:29 _rata_: It does sound useful, indeed 19:25:34 sjamaan: doesn't scheme-complete do that? 19:25:37 I didn't know Quack did that 19:25:41 <_rata_> grettke: then the question is: vim? 19:25:45 mario-goulart: I thought it did, but it doesn't appear to 19:25:55 There are a few other things that bother me about Chicken. Having to use two eggs to get to what I'd consider basic functionality (bignums and Unicode awareness) feels like a design flaw to me, though many Chickenists (?) would argue that bignums are not necessary. 19:25:56 I think you need eldoc or something. 19:26:00 _rata_: oh yea people use vim 19:26:16 chandler: Yeah, it's hard to convince Felix to import bignums into core 19:26:17 <_rata_> sjamaan: quack don't do that, but slime and geiser do that 19:26:55 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:06 _rata_: ah, yes. But geiser and slime work only for a few implementations 19:27:19 <_rata_> yes 19:27:25 AFAIK Geiser is Guile & PLT(?) only 19:27:30 <_rata_> yes 19:27:40 And Slime48 is scheme48-specific 19:27:52 <_rata_> eldoc is very cool, but I didn't know it works with scheme 19:28:12 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 19:28:23 _rata_: scheme-complete comments says it can use eldoc. 19:28:40 <_rata_> grettke: and do you use a special plugin for vim? 19:28:47 lisppaste: url 19:28:47 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 19:29:00 <_rata_> mario-goulart: thanks, that's great... I'll check that out :) 19:29:30 mario-goulart pasted "scheme-complete + eldoc" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/98214 19:29:35 mario-goulart: hm, nice. I should hook that up 19:29:58 mario-goulart: How does that work, in the case of a use of syntax that expands to a procedure definition? And does this work sensibly for other interesting ways of defining procedures, e.g. (define foo (make-bar-procedure ...)) ? 19:30:27 chandler: I have no clue. I don't even use it. :-) 19:31:03 ;; eldoc mode slows down too much 19:31:05 heh 19:31:10 :-) 19:31:12 I guess I had used it but decided to comment it out 19:32:02 Common Lisp's toplevel and phasing semantics are an utter disaster, but it certainly makes it easier to get to a 90%-correct implementation of good programming tools. 19:32:43 :) 19:34:44 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:35:45 _rata_: I don't personally use vim but I know of people who do, with Scheme 19:39:27 <_rata_> chandler: what are "phasing semantics"? 19:40:14 quotemstr [~quotemstr@cpe-67-247-228-249.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:48:37 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:49:02 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:49:31 -!- kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:07 kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:52:08 _rata_, the relation between macro-execution time and program-exectuation time 19:52:36 <_rata_> and why is it an utter disaster? 19:53:19 _rata_: the R6RS spec talks about how macros are expanded, when, and how in phases 19:53:44 <_rata_> btw, which Scheme implementations have defmacro-like macros? 19:54:18 <_rata_> grettke: ok, and CL standard doesn't talk about that? 19:55:06 _rata_, roughly, there's no separation in CL 19:55:16 _rata_: You don't want to ask that question (about defmacro). See http://community.schemewiki.org/?hygiene-versus-gensym 19:55:42 for why it's problematic, see http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.11.4008 19:55:54 Like foof said, explicit renaming and syntactic closures give you defmacro-like control but without the suck 19:56:21 _rata_: I'm unfamiliar with CL 19:56:21 sjamaan, all procedural macro systems give you defmacro-like control (whatever that means) 19:56:28 samth: Indeed 19:57:30 sjamaan, for example, in syntax-case: http://blog.plt-scheme.org/2009/05/explicit-renaming-macros-implicitly.html 19:57:30 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/qaga42 19:57:33 <_rata_> samth: syntax-rules or syntax-case are procedural macero systems? 19:58:44 _rata_, syntax-rules and syntax-case are pattern matchers, but syntax-rules is usually used to refer to the R5RS macro system, which is not procedural 19:59:13 `syntax-case' is a pattern matcher, but is also used as the name of a procedural macro system in which it plays an important role 19:59:36 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-208.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:59:36 <_rata_> and which implementation does have procedural macro systems? 19:59:46 All of them? 19:59:53 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-208.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 19:59:54 _rata_, almost all Scheme implementation have procedural macro systems 20:00:30 <_rata_> really? but you just said that syntax-rules and syntax-case are just pattern matchers, not procedural macro systems 20:00:51 those statements are not in contradiction 20:01:02 <_rata_> ah ok 20:01:09 most scheme systems provide syntax-rules, for defining rewriting macros 20:01:21 as well as a means of defining procedural macros 20:01:26 which sometimes involves syntax-case 20:01:41 <_rata_> well... I have to read about that 20:02:08 <_rata_> but from the outside it seems that syntax-rules and syntax-case are not as simple as defmacro 20:02:58 <_rata_> which for me is just the same as a compile-time function 20:03:18 _rata_: check out http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/chicken-users/2008-04/msg00013.html 20:04:07 That post suffers from a high bogus factor. 20:04:16 See http://tmp.barzilay.org/foof.txt 20:05:03 eli: If you read it as a critique of syntax-case it might be bogus, but it's a damned good intro to Scheme macro systems 20:05:42 _rata_: I learned syntax-rules and syntax-case before learning defmacro, and they seem simple now. 20:06:29 -!- metasyntax` [~taylor@75-149-208-121-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Be seeing you.] 20:06:34 <_rata_> ok 20:06:44 sjamaan: I read it as I read anything else: a pile of words that compose some meaning. Perhaps more specifically, that post is an attempt (a bad one) to introduce people to the different macro systems -- not as an introduction on how to use them. 20:07:42 _rata_: If you're using plt, then there is a mzlib/defmacro library that provides `define-macro' -- but it is generally a bad idea to use it. 20:08:09 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@213.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:10:37 <_rata_> mmmm... thanks 20:10:56 sjamaan, it is unlikely that something could be both a "bogus critique of syntax-case" and "good intro to Scheme macro systems" 20:11:58 I found it a great post 20:12:37 If others disagree, that's their business 20:13:33 if you said, "a good intro to non-`syntax case' Scheme macro systems with a bogus critique of a different system tacked on" people might agree 20:13:33 I found it a highly bogus one. If anything, it demonstrates that "it's a damned good intro" is far from being true. 20:13:52 *sjamaan* sighs 20:13:57 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 20:14:19 but it's kind of problematic to introduce Scheme macros with a "bogus" description of the standardized version of procedural macros 20:14:36 *eli* sighs louder 20:14:52 *mario-goulart* goes shopping 20:15:22 <_rata_> btw, in http://community.schemewiki.org/?hygiene-versus-gensym cl-swap! isn't a good example of a CL defmacro 20:15:47 <_rata_> I think nobody that uses CL would do such a macro 20:16:14 ... why? 20:16:37 It's a perfectly good example of a typical Common Lisp macro for the task at hand. 20:16:59 <_rata_> because swap is perfectly doable using a function, isn't it? 20:17:06 Absolutely not. 20:18:30 -!- jay-mccarthy [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:19:09 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:19:09 -!- twok [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:19:09 -!- shrughes [~shrughes@cpe-98-155-85-124.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:21:41 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:22:23 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22:27 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 20:24:14 jay-mccarthy [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:29:11 shrughes [~shrughes@cpe-98-155-85-124.san.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:32:05 twok [~twuk@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 20:33:14 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:36:45 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:12 <_rata_> chandler: you're right... my fault 20:37:17 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:37:36 -!- askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:38:08 -!- saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-66-219.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:44:37 <_rata_> what's ER? 20:45:26 emergency room ? 20:45:39 -!- twok [~twuk@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:09 explicit renaming :p 20:46:16 <_rata_> ahh ok :) 20:46:23 <_rata_> thanks 20:54:42 -!- grettke [~rettke@mawdryn.mscs.mu.edu] has left #scheme 20:56:19 Narrenschiff [~ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has joined #scheme 20:57:44 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:00:30 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:04:53 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Quit: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/dj_jeezy.jpg] 21:07:36 phao [~phao@189.107.141.238] has joined #scheme 21:10:05 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:10:58 ComputerNewbie [~adsfasdf@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:14:46 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.141.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16:24 whats the difference beteween common lisp 21:16:26 and scheme 21:18:36 http://community.schemewiki.org/?scheme-vs-common-lisp 21:20:30 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:24:22 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 21:25:33 i think i'll point people to this when asked, "why scheme instead of python?" http://andreyf.tumblr.com/post/543270419/pythons-original-sin 21:25:56 i've been asked that thrice this month; not sure if that article is totally convincing, though. 21:26:17 people use python o_O? 21:26:34 Narrenschiff_ [~ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has joined #scheme 21:27:05 -!- jlongster [~user@173-164-11-142-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:28:47 rapacity: python is the new java/cobol for a lot of pseudo-startups 21:29:20 pseudo-startups in the sense that they don't have the guts to hire radical developers; and shoestring it with milquetoasts 21:29:35 newToLisp234 [~some@70.96.16.246] has joined #scheme 21:30:23 -!- Narrenschiff [~ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:23 -!- Narrenschiff_ is now known as Narrenschiff 21:34:33 -!- Narrenschiff [~ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has quit [Quit: Narrenschiff] 21:35:13 <_rata_> klutometis: you seem to have a not so good perception of python 21:35:27 <_rata_> but it is indeed a beautiful language I think 21:37:42 <_rata_> plus it's got a _lot_ of libraries for almost everything 21:42:42 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:48:02 _rata_: it's beautiful if your mindset is built by assembler, C, C++, or Java 21:48:52 it's not so beautiful for folks who's mindset is built by Smalltalk, Obj-C, CL, Scheme, Haskell, etc. 21:50:03 or at least, that's a gross generalization that seems to be usually true 21:50:06 <_rata_> Adamant: I think Python took some things from Smalltalk and Scheme, but I don't know that much about programming languages yet 21:50:21 _rata_: yeah, don't take the Python hate personal :P 21:50:40 I do that in other contexts for languages I like when it's not really intended. 21:51:26 I don't know that Python is a bad language, and it certainly wasn't in the 90's when it was taking off 21:51:51 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 21:53:35 <_rata_> btw, I don't think mindsets are so unflexible, since I come from the other mindset and I'm completely amazed by Lisp 21:54:03 incubot: a good pythonista is a dead pythonista. 21:54:03 _rata_: I came out of the same mindset originally, so I don't think they are unflexible :P 21:54:07 dead-end, boring, stupid clients, never get to talk to a single other programmer 21:54:19 cky [~cky@h-166-165-253-24.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 21:54:31 incubot: so, sorry for you. 21:54:33 sorry... not my intention... just curiosity really what implementation companies usually use. 21:54:49 *sladegen* stfus. 21:55:12 _rata_: don't be scared, he's just free associating with incubot. 21:55:25 <_rata_> hahahahahaaha ok 21:55:30 incubot: now do you see the violence inherent in the sysadmin? 21:55:33 So much violence. 21:55:39 indeed. 21:55:50 <_rata_> hahaahahahaha 21:55:59 _rata_: incubot uses related quotes from channel history :P 21:56:39 it's either amazingly clever down right idiotic. 21:56:50 s/clever/clever or / 21:57:26 <_rata_> hahaahaaha... it's a funny bot indeed 21:57:35 <_rata_> is it written in Scheme? :P 21:57:46 ov korz 21:57:56 <_rata_> :) 21:58:12 minion is the heathen here. 21:58:32 minion: more 21:58:32 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``more''. 21:58:49 how did it go... hmmm. 21:59:22 <_rata_> sladegen: why is it the heathen? 21:59:31 minion, chant 21:59:31 MORE SIGNIFICANT 21:59:37 How apropos. 21:59:56 iirc he is written in CL, no? 22:00:05 I hear APL. 22:00:10 -1s/hear/heard/ 22:00:30 heh, all the more heathan. 22:01:28 sladegen: He's in CL-IRC. 22:01:47 <_rata_> is the code of incubot available to see? 22:02:04 But a dialect of APL that runs only on Data General NOVA computers, currently in use only in the onboard flight computers in Grumman-built AWACS. 22:02:13 _rata_: http://incubot.org/ 22:03:02 and a spy, too! 22:03:37 Secret Alien Technology ;-) 22:06:04 askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 22:08:36 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslex118.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:12:59 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-208.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:14:10 -!- jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:14:43 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-208.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:18:09 IJP [~Ian@host86-173-116-174.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 22:22:19 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7DDD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:10 cky_ [~cky@h-98-132-142-220.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 22:31:19 -!- cky [~cky@h-166-165-253-24.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:31:24 -!- cky_ is now known as cky 22:45:07 -!- choas [~lars@p5B0DC1BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:59:30 haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 23:00:31 -!- newToLisp234 [~some@70.96.16.246] has quit [] 23:01:52 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:21 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:57 -!- hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC59954.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:31 Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 23:24:22 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:26:10 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 23:26:54 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 23:29:03 -!- mdmkolbe [~adamsmd@2001:18e8:2:244:212:3fff:fe43:5290] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:01 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:59:43 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]