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No matter how I try to write the code, it always ends up looping indefinitely. 01:13:58 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:15:50 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.146] has joined #scheme 01:19:15 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:21:14 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 01:23:43 DrDuck [~DrDuck@adsl-81-6-119.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 01:30:12 Mr_Awesome [~eric@c-98-212-139-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:30:28 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:30:42 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 01:31:45 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 01:41:30 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 01:49:00 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:27 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 01:49:38 -!- Daemmerung [~goetter@64.146.161.228] has quit [Quit: Smoove out.] 01:53:14 arcfide [~arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-117.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:58:01 felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #scheme 01:58:18 -!- arcfide [~arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-117.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:05:14 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-55-243.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:30 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 02:06:46 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:07:27 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 02:16:02 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-55-243.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 02:18:05 -!- Poeir [~Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:42 Poeir [~Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:20:53 Daemmerung [~goetter@64.146.161.228] has joined #scheme 02:23:49 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:24:13 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-71.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:24:23 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 02:24:59 -!- _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-ggxjwgrhiarqilue] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:26:15 phao [~phao@189.107.155.21] has joined #scheme 02:28:26 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28:42 -!- MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 02:31:37 Andrej1 [~Andrej@BSN-61-57-129.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #scheme 02:36:01 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 02:37:51 samth [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:41:58 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:42:59 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 02:43:33 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:45:23 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 02:48:38 -!- DrDuck [~DrDuck@adsl-81-6-119.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:49:04 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:49:26 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 02:52:52 timj_ [~timj@e176216196.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:52 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:55:43 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176222008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:56:16 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 02:58:28 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:59:17 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 03:07:34 mooglenorph [~marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 03:10:06 -!- twik [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:10:47 Hi. What's scheme like for quick numerical computation? Can someone recommend an implementation? 03:14:28 mzscheme. 03:14:30 I suspect they're all pretty good 03:14:34 ... but yes, I use mzscheme 03:14:40 but python is good for quick numerical computation as well. 03:14:42 infinite-precision integers (fast, too) 03:15:36 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 03:16:37 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:17:33 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 03:17:47 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:19:46 offby1: infinite-precision is not possible with current hardware. 03:20:53 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:23:00 twik [~kwit@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:23:53 -!- Emufarmers [Emufarmers@mediawiki/Emufarmers] has left #scheme 03:25:03 pff 03:25:06 you know what I mean 03:25:20 I apologize for not being infinitely precise in my description. 03:26:20 been stuck taking a numerical analysis class in matlab so I have been stuck dealing with adding 10^-27 + 1 03:29:10 -!- myu2 [~myu2@w179122.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30:57 -!- cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!] 03:34:05 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:34:13 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:34:30 -!- xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34:49 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:14 rudybot: eval (add1 (expt 10 -27)) 03:35:16 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 03:35:18 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 03:35:18 *offby1: ; Value: 1000000000000000000000000001/1000000000000000000000000000 03:35:23 *shrug* :) 03:36:23 rudybot: eval (exact->inexact (add1 (expt 10 -27))) 03:36:28 sladegen: your scheme sandbox is ready 03:36:28 sladegen: ; Value: 1.0 03:37:13 sure! 03:37:21 incubot: smirk@rudybot 03:37:24 Boo to flonums. 03:37:25 you can go ahead and smirk. I'm not lying to you. And I'm not just a crazy, jealous Scheme advocate trying to convert you. I don't even use Scheme, I just hang out here because the people here are freaking geniuses. I'm a Python programmer myself. 03:37:37 incubot: atta boy 03:37:42 -!- samth [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:38:24 *sladegen* is programming TCP sockets daemon in PHP atm... way kool man! 03:38:47 *offby1* is untangling old Python code for work 03:45:38 Andrej [~Andrej@BSN-61-57-129.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #scheme 03:45:38 -!- Andrej1 [~Andrej@BSN-61-57-129.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:43 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:51:22 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 03:54:25 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:31 Andrej1 [~Andrej@BSN-61-57-129.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #scheme 03:54:47 -!- Andrej [~Andrej@BSN-61-57-129.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:21 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58:35 reprore_ [~reprore@p4b216c.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:00:04 -!- elly|silent is now known as elly 04:03:01 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:03:34 ysph [~user@adsl-221-200-236.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 04:03:45 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 04:04:21 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:04:32 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-117.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:04:58 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:05:26 zoi 04:07:46 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:09:07 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 04:09:37 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:14:27 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 04:19:37 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 04:19:43 _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-ywinpwznouuurvve] has joined #scheme 04:20:42 -!- twik [~kwit@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:21:20 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:26:28 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:26:34 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@2002:8161:d0c3::8161:d0c3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:51 Mohamdu [Mohamdu@2002:8161:d0c3::8161:d0c3] has joined #scheme 04:27:09 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 04:34:18 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 04:40:29 cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 04:40:42 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-117.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?] 04:41:38 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:43:31 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:44:54 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 04:49:51 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:52:04 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52:16 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 05:01:07 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:02:20 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 05:03:46 zoi? 05:05:39 zoi. 05:07:34 ZOMG 05:14:13 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:27 happy earth day! 05:15:35 Does SICP talk about macros? 05:16:34 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 05:18:11 only in a footnote in section 4.1.2 05:19:07 -!- foof [~user@lain.inunome.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:19:12 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19:34 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 05:20:49 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 05:23:04 hmm 05:23:05 ok. 05:23:18 foof [~user@lain.inunome.com] has joined #scheme 05:24:39 *offby1* talks about mining 05:26:23 is there any easy way to make a procedure a macro? I mean, I'd like to have (cons-stream a b) acting as if I have typed (cons a (delay b)) 05:26:28 -!- _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-ywinpwznouuurvve] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:26:29 to use while doing sicp exercises 05:27:44 your scheme probably has some sorta macro thing built in 05:27:53 define-syntax and syntax-rules, e.g. 05:27:59 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:28:06 however, macros are probably against the spirit of SICP 05:28:15 well 05:28:18 they're using it. 05:28:35 oh! 05:29:24 rudybot: eval (define-syntax-rule (cons-stream a b) (cons a (delay b))) 05:29:33 rudybot: eval (cons-stream 1 2) 05:29:35 *offby1: ; Value: (1 . #) 05:29:44 that's one way 05:30:04 rudybot: eval (force (cdr (cons-stream 1 2))) 05:30:05 *offby1: ; Value: 2 05:30:05 thanks! 05:30:12 _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-sqxlmdwfcyyxyagu] has joined #scheme 05:30:18 that's recent PLT scheme 05:30:51 <_rata_> has someone been able to see scheme's function "helpers" in the minibuffer of emacs with quack/whatever? 05:31:47 does anyone here use the new R6RS I/O libraries? 05:33:51 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:16 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 05:35:13 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:37 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 05:37:17 -!- max_atreides [~max_atrei@cpe-24-168-34-229.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:37:22 attila_lendvai [~ati@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #scheme 05:38:17 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 05:41:55 fabe [~fabe@p54A7DA16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 05:42:53 max_atreides [~max_atrei@cpe-24-168-34-229.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:43:40 twik [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:44:45 r2q2 [~user@acad243152.eastdorm.uic.edu] has joined #scheme 05:45:24 askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 05:45:52 I know that mzscheme is available for any platform but what about the GUI libraries of plt-scheme? 05:47:37 Andrej [~Andrej@BSN-61-41-87.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #scheme 05:49:53 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49:58 ditto 05:50:03 OS X, *nix, Windows, anyway. 05:50:08 That's pretty much "any platform" 05:50:16 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 05:51:21 -!- Andrej1 [~Andrej@BSN-61-57-129.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:51:42 offby1: Awesome. OS X was what Iw as worried about 05:51:47 Hey offby1 05:51:48 God, I love scheme. 05:52:32 Shouldn't we call it plt racket? 05:53:03 not yet 05:53:22 askhader: you'll become disillusioned soon enough. 05:53:41 I like that plt scheme got mongodb support 05:53:55 now I can be like the cool kids and use nosql 05:54:39 offby1: Why? 05:54:52 askhader: because God hates us. 05:55:05 offby1: Thank god I don't believe in him. 05:55:31 Q: "How do you know you're God?" 05:55:40 A: "Easy -- every time I pray to Him, I find I'm talking to myself" 05:57:06 I wrote fizz buzz in scheme today 05:58:12 *offby1* glances behind him 05:58:15 you talkin' to me? 05:58:19 yea 05:58:31 *offby1* pretends to know what a "fizz buzz" is 05:58:42 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/02/why-cant-programmers-program.html 05:58:43 .oO("some kinda drug involving energy drinks, I'll wager") 05:58:49 Someone challenged me 05:59:08 oh that 06:04:04 *elly* oscillates 06:04:30 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:07 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.21] has joined #scheme 06:05:25 -!- ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:05:28 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:06:06 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 06:06:09 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:24 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 06:10:12 -!- r2q2 [~user@acad243152.eastdorm.uic.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12:44 ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 06:13:45 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:15:51 *Daemmerung* vacillates 06:18:12 -!- _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-sqxlmdwfcyyxyagu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:19:27 *elly* vacillates Daemmerung! 06:19:50 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7DA16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:54 *sladegen* hoscillates. 06:21:22 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #scheme 06:22:38 *elly* postulates. 06:22:47 anyone familiar with denyhosts? 06:23:37 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:23:38 is that someone who hosts at denny's? 06:23:58 no. 06:24:40 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 06:26:14 *Daemmerung* would like fries with that, yes 06:32:34 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35:56 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:19 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:43:05 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 06:43:27 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-111-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 06:58:08 eli: you mean 'man 5 hosts_access'? 06:58:47 (sladegen: no, I mean denyhosts.) 06:59:20 ah, in that case i'm clueless 07:00:39 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:03 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 07:03:06 Sergio`_ [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 07:03:07 -!- DerGuteMoritz [~syn@85.88.17.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:04:03 DerGuteMoritz [~syn@85.88.17.198] has joined #scheme 07:08:59 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:08:59 -!- strobedream [~tdgonzale@c-68-35-75-177.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:08:59 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-61-181.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:00 -!- rudybot [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:00 -!- fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:01 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:13:49 strobedream [~tdgonzale@c-68-35-75-177.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:13:49 xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-61-181.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 07:13:49 rudybot [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 07:13:49 fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has joined #scheme 07:13:49 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 07:13:54 -!- twik [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:17 twik [~taw@CPE000d60fe7f7e-CM001692f5932e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 07:15:33 la la la 07:17:34 eli: i have used it in the past 07:17:52 eli: what is your question? 07:17:59 -!- cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!] 07:18:04 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:18:48 ecraven: Likely not something that you'll know if you weren't more intimate with it... I'm trying to get it to ignore ssh connections for a specific user. 07:19:08 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 07:21:02 haptlK [~alsodongs@157.140.112.178] has joined #scheme 07:22:57 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 07:27:17 eli: Isn't denyhosts for denying connections from certain hosts? Why not add DenyUser $user to sshd_config? 07:28:11 -!- haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:28:13 I'm running my first scheme program right now. 07:28:33 eli: i know you can allow hosts, can't find anything for users.. you could write a hook that acts on that user being denied 07:28:59 -!- Daemmerung [~goetter@64.146.161.228] has quit [Quit: Smoove out.] 07:29:35 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-221-200-236.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:46 FatsDT: I want the opposite. 07:29:49 mbishop_ [~martin@adsl-222-22-253.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 07:30:24 ecraven: I have no idea how to write hooks for that thing. There's not even any kind of decent documentation for it. 07:30:41 i believe they are just scripts. 07:30:58 It's a whole bunch of them... 07:31:37 Adding stuff in hosts.allow would work, except that that level can't distinguish users. 07:31:55 -!- mbishop [~martin@adsl-157-35-122.msy.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:32:53 eli: look at the configuration file, option PLUGIN_DENY 07:33:28 you might be able to hack something with that 07:35:02 chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has joined #scheme 07:35:31 eli: What do you mean by ignore a user? dropping a connection once a specific ssh username is received? 07:35:34 eli: sshd_config AllowUser $user? 07:36:13 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:36:16 eli: State the problem. There are probably many ways to deal with it. 07:37:10 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 07:39:51 ecraven: Good idea, at least I can get the damn thing to mail me when it adds a deny (which I can't convince it to do otherwise). 07:40:19 Obfuscate: No, just have denyhosts not count a failed login attempt if it's for a specific user. 07:41:18 FatsDT: That makes ssh allow *only* that user, and I don't think that it will make any difference if the connection is blocked at the level of hosts.deny. 07:43:16 Ah, okay. That's a lot different than anything I was thinking of. I don't know how to do that offhand. 07:44:37 I say nuts to denyhosts. I use password-less logins, and rate-limit connections to port 22 with iptables. And I have no other services to secure. 07:46:28 FatsDT: I considered forbidding password logins, but I worry that something would go wrong and I'll lock myself out. 07:47:22 FatsDT: Also, how do you do that rate limiting? Is it per IP? 07:47:35 (Not using denyhosts on my server is ... frightning. I'd get up to 100k attempts/day.) 07:48:00 eli: Yeah, per IP. 07:48:55 fwiw, I have the same setup as FatsDT, except I use -m recent/state to limit connection attempts (which gets less abuse from automated login bots). 07:49:21 iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set 07:49:21 iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 -j DROP 07:50:47 Is that in the usual *filter chaing? 07:51:55 (before the rule that allows 22, I assume.) 07:52:15 input chain 07:52:53 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53:08 yeah, thats right. 07:53:12 Is the --set actually needed there? 07:53:16 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 07:53:57 So does that mean that it blocks an IP that had 4 connections in 60s? That seems a little low. 07:54:12 I'm using this mess (although I barely remember the function, since it's been a couple years since I made it). 07:54:21 -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m recent --rcheck --seconds 60 --hitcount 3 --name sshlocal --rsource -m limit --limit 3/hour -j LOG --log-prefix "SSH_BF " 07:54:23 (And what I like about denyhosts is that it shuts the door for a long period.) 07:54:24 -A INPUT -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 3 --name sshlocal --rsource -j DROP 07:54:26 -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set --name sshlocal --rsource -j ACCEPT 07:54:56 You can change that to lock down a host for a ridiculously long time, if you want. 07:54:58 its a 60 second time out. 07:56:00 So 4 hits in how long lead to the 60s timeout? 07:56:40 It's the same number of seconds. 07:57:24 The 'recent' module just keeps a list and checks the number of accesses within that time. You can get really complex with it though. 07:57:55 I looked at someone most recent ssh bruteforce attempt in my logs and see 3 failed attempts, then I don't see that host anymore. 07:58:26 Is it possible to have two numbers -- like saying that if there are 3 connections in 60s, then lock them out for more than 60s? 08:00:15 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-111-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00:47 Yes, but you need to do it through another rule. 08:01:13 http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/16#ipt_recent_and_ssh_attacks 08:01:29 DrDuck [~DrDuck@adsl-81-6-119.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 08:08:05 That really doesn't add anything new. 08:09:13 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:10:08 eli: btw, some combination of "-m recent ... -j SET ..." is probably the easiest way of handling temporary blacklisting. 08:10:47 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 08:12:01 *Obfuscate* goes to sleep. 08:16:05 -!- _danb_ 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11:03:58 C-Keen, yeah.. i was doing the opposite: (cons 'd '(a b c)) 11:04:05 this will give me (d a b c) 11:04:27 is there a way to make it give me ('d . '(a b c))? 11:05:14 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:52 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 11:15:26 hosh_office: (d a b c) is shorthand for (d . (a . (b . (c . '()) perhaps you want (d a b . c)... 11:15:38 incubot: oops... 11:15:42 (oops, that was a different conversation, left over from #emacs) 11:15:53 haole: (sic!) 11:16:55 incubot: don't speak the name of the beast aloud lest you'll be unforgiven. 11:16:58 Sorry for thinking aloud. 11:17:20 good bot! 11:17:31 incubot: botsnack 11:17:33 botsnack :) 11:20:39 -!- haole [~ivan@189.34.163.243] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 11:24:57 -!- DrDuck [~DrDuck@adsl-81-6-119.hsv.bellsouth.net] has left #scheme 11:28:58 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:19 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 11:31:11 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:24 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 11:41:09 -!- haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:58 alvatar [~alvatar@177.119.20.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 11:53:58 samth [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 11:57:11 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 12:01:44 quotemstr [~quotemstr@cpe-67-247-228-249.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 12:01:49 cmatei [cmatei@95.76.148.87] has joined #scheme 12:02:54 Is it possible to force a continuation to raise an error instead of, well, continuing as with call/cc? 12:10:37 (begin (error "Do not continue")) 12:11:47 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:11 or do you mean something else? 12:12:15 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 12:13:44 -!- hosh_office [~hosh@c-24-126-188-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:12 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A known mistake is better than an unknown truth.] 12:16:48 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:17:15 -!- Profane [~marcoanto@189.62.203.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:18:23 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-26-138-84.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:40 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 12:21:29 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:22:55 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 12:24:58 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:25:47 Actually, come to think of it, a call/cc wrapper is all I need. Thanks. 12:26:27 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 12:27:11 The idea is to be able to force one of a pair of coroutines to terminate early. 12:28:23 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:29 hosh_office [~hosh@c-24-126-188-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:28:43 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 12:29:38 so just call error not the contnuation... /me is confused, too. 12:29:41 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:31:01 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:32:58 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 12:37:10 elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 12:37:36 Yo, folks. 12:37:43 Anyone here at all interested in doing some "scheme implementation" chatterin? 12:40:50 sladegen: Think of a Python generator. 12:40:59 call/cc is hard to wrap your head around the first time. :) 12:41:13 elderK, uninformed chattering is the purpose of irc :) 12:41:56 :-) 12:42:13 :) I wouldn't say entirely uninformed :) 12:42:18 I've been researching for awhile now. 12:42:44 hey mario-goulart! 12:42:44 :P Mario's one of the people who put up with my constant rattling 12:42:44 :P 12:43:33 me?! 12:43:48 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:13 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 12:44:20 quotemstr: hmm, i may have some understanding of continuations, so i'll second guess that you do not want to stop execuation of the program, but inform other coroutine not to call the one finshed anymore, then. then it doesn't have much to do with error per se. 12:44:50 Right; I get it now. 12:44:53 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 12:45:55 :) 12:51:35 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-222-57.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:33 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 12:57:56 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 12:59:04 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:05 Profane [~marcoanto@200.202.122.5] has joined #scheme 12:59:23 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 13:02:50 -!- mbishop_ [~martin@adsl-222-22-253.msy.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:13:47 HG` [~HG@xdsled005.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 13:13:52 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 13:14:25 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:30 -!- Profane [~marcoanto@200.202.122.5] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:14:48 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 13:20:31 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:23:35 TR2N [email@89.180.184.178] has joined #scheme 13:27:36 -!- samth [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:27:52 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 13:27:59 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 13:28:42 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 13:30:23 what do *you* use scheme for? (how often does that question get asked here?) 13:30:31 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:52 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 13:30:55 I use it for trolling. 13:31:10 elitism 13:32:45 Polishing my Bentley. 13:33:43 Walking the Dog. 13:33:44 :) 13:33:48 oh and making my coffee. 13:33:51 is this somethig one does not ask peope 13:33:54 l? 13:34:41 like a woman's age and the sexual orientation of a member of the US military? 13:35:09 russkey: seriously, I use it for basically anything which requires a programming (when I can decide what programming language to use, obviously). 13:35:27 requires a programming language* 13:36:30 ktzqbp [~ktzqbp@unaffiliated/ktzqbp] has joined #scheme 13:36:58 perhaps, but one would not use python in the same situations as c (or the other way around) even though both are pretty general purpose 13:37:41 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 13:37:56 davazp [~user@ucaip182.uca.es] has joined #scheme 13:38:40 general purpose high-level programming 13:38:47 really, i'm just trying to see if i'm wasting my time learning scheme since i'm fairly handy with a number of other languages which fill their own niches (some bigger than others) 13:39:17 russkey: you're not wasting your time, definitely. 13:41:39 russkey: are you using scheme? 13:42:53 mario-goulart: i'm learning. i found it intriguing. and people seem to speak highly of it. 13:43:10 I'd say you're not wasting your time, 13:43:15 russkey: ah, ok. 13:43:15 but on the flipside of that, what do you want to accomplish? 13:43:30 With Scheme, you kind of get what yo ugive. 13:44:14 If you really want to learn it, are genuinely interested and don't mind having to build some libraries yourself once'n'awhile, then it will open itself up to you and you will wonder how you got along without it - you'll learn a great deal, too. Some things you most definitely will find useful in other projects or even when using other languages. 13:44:15 However, 13:44:37 While you can /use/ scheme and even produce handy applications in it, reasonably quickly - you shouldn't expect to master it and learn all of it's secrets in a week or two. 13:44:43 At least, that's my personal advice. 13:44:44 :) 13:45:24 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:49 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 13:45:54 It's a little like Math, in that... to fully appreciate the beauty of Mathematics, you need to have a decent grip on it. 13:46:20 well, looks like i'm in for quite an adventure! i write programs for my own entertainment, benefit, curiosity, and ease of life. i'm an engineer by trade. 13:46:53 (which is not to say i don't program at work, but its mostly data acquisition and analysis with stuff like matlab and labview) 13:49:05 russkey: it'll sound cliched probably, but, the hardest thing I had to deal with when I approached Scheme, was simply learning to open my mind. 13:49:46 (I've come from the worlds of Assembly and C, and well, you tend to develop a lot of habits and... attachments to various concepts/principles) 13:49:59 russkey: I'd suggest you to start by trying to implement one of your personal projects in scheme. 13:52:07 metasyntax` [~taylor@75-149-208-121-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 13:54:36 -!- Mohamdu [Mohamdu@2002:8161:d0c3::8161:d0c3] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:56:33 -!- TR2N [email@89.180.184.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:57:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:57:57 Hey, any chance there's anyone here with ACM access and a big, generous heart? :) 14:00:31 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 14:00:59 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:05 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 14:01:19 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 14:04:41 thanks all! 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Perhaps a mysql database? I apologize if the question has flaws, I'm a novice. 16:37:39 askhader: That depends entirely on the nature of the data and what it'll be used for 16:37:53 Also, mysql.... just don't :) 16:38:24 sqlite! 16:38:31 Flat files, written to tape. 16:38:31 tokyocabinet or sqlite... 16:38:46 QR codse tattooed on the soft underside of a whole herd of pot-bellied pigs! 16:38:55 -1s/codse/codes/ 16:38:58 now that's novel! 16:39:39 smoke signs in november rain... 16:40:30 flat files is all you need. 16:41:26 If you go with flat files, you'll also need a tape drive and a hose. 16:41:43 The tape drive to store the flat files, and the hose to spray down those youngsters who dare tread on your lawn. 16:41:52 hehe 16:42:16 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:36 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 16:48:30 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:50:21 gnomon: no, flat files are back in 16:50:27 it's part of that 'NoSQL' dealy 16:53:13 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:59:56 sjamaan: Sorry, got distracted. The data will be used mainly for plotting graphs. I'm creating a software for collecting readings of specific data./ 17:00:05 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:00:07 Nothing heavy, thinks six or seven fields per data entry max 17:00:11 All plaintext. 17:00:16 Or rather, symbols and numbers 17:00:26 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:30 Easily interpretted, nothing encrypted. 17:00:54 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 17:01:17 I want to implement a system that will require the least amount of dependencies. That is, I want the end-user to compile with mzscheme and that be the end of it(if at all possible) 17:01:17 askhader: If it's really simple I'd use delimited field files or if the Scheme app is the only one that'll read/write from/to the file, WRITE and READ 17:02:02 I was thinking of doing that. I just noticed that a lot of modern day software does not do this, and deducted that perhaps it may be bad practice? 17:02:19 What modern day software are you referring to? 17:02:36 Things like gnuplot, matlab etc can all read from delimited text files 17:02:47 Matlab does? Really? 17:02:52 Interesting. . . 17:03:29 and there are "heavyweight" binary "standard" formats for "scientific" data, too... 17:03:29 sjamaan: So you said WRITE and READ? 17:03:30 Perhaps it also has its own format, but I know it's used a lot with such files 17:03:49 yes, WRITE and READ will mean you don't need to do any parsing 17:04:02 What constitutes a format? Or is that too broad a question? 17:04:07 s/format/file format/g 17:04:31 a language api to write and read data from it? 17:04:58 Right. 17:05:04 native data probably would be a better name like dumping structs in C... 17:06:17 I see. 17:06:20 Thansk guys 17:16:26 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:16:52 -!- _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-irfjitmtgtskazku] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:16:53 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 17:18:46 -!- cky [~cky@187.sub-75-234-117.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Back in a while....] 17:21:26 Daemmerung [~goetter@64.146.161.228] has joined #scheme 17:31:56 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:17 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 17:40:31 peter_12 [~peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 17:40:52 _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-nywofpmlfagcmrsn] has joined #scheme 17:45:13 saint_cypher 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I want to define that userinput but cannot place definitions in the middle of the function decleration. How do you all get around this? 21:51:27 askhader, who is preventing you from defining new functions inside your definition? 21:51:36 In the midsts 21:51:40 Like 21:51:50 (define (somefoo x) (display "Stuff") (define x (read))) 21:51:51 That is illegal 21:51:53 Apparently. 21:52:23 definitions have to come before expressions 21:52:48 Yes so that's my problem 21:53:22 untouchable [untouchabl@dhcp-129-64-166-29.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #scheme 21:53:23 (define (somefoo x) (define x (read)) (display "Stuff")) 21:54:51 Stuff is a question 21:54:55 It notifies the user of what to enter 21:55:45 ah, I see what you mean, you could always use let 22:00:05 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7DA16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:02 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03:06 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 22:05:42 -!- hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC5A45F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:10 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 22:19:07 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20:50 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:22:11 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 22:25:49 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:37:36 schmir [~schmir@p54A92793.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:40:58 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42:42 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 22:44:06 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:45:35 weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #scheme 22:49:09 -!- cky [~cky@h-166-165-247-204.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Quit: Battery running out, oh noes!] 22:55:49 -!- davazp [~user@83.57.37.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:49 seangrove [~user@70-36-146-156.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 23:01:19 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:02:35 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 23:04:38 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 23:06:54 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:11:51 Colloguy [~flx@adsl-99-33-31-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:18:59 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-162-12-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:14 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:23:45 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 23:25:59 IJP: I'm sorry but I don't see how let applies here 23:26:39 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-162-12-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 23:28:50 I mean if I use mutation then this problem becomes easy to solve, but I'd rather now 23:28:53 not* 23:29:46 If you are wanting to mutate x, then define wouldn't have done it either 23:30:35 IJP: No i do not want to mutate X but i can definite it at the beginning and mutate according to (read) 23:30:51 askhader: what are you trying to do? 23:31:53 SharkBrain: I have a function defined to display questions to the user and then after each question take input and assign it to a value 23:32:07 Essentially (define (foo) (display "Tell me your name") (define name (read)) 23:32:11 But that's illegal. How do I solve this problem? 23:32:29 so you want name defined at the top level? 23:32:49 Yes, I am going to use the value later in one or more functions 23:32:56 then define it at the top level 23:32:59 -!- doc_who [~doc_who@c-98-231-201-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:32:59 (define name (begin (display "Tell me your name") (read))) 23:33:08 ah 23:34:02 SharkBrain: Really? That will work? 23:34:20 IJP: If I define it at the top level then I cannot prompt the user first. 23:34:28 Oh you mean at the very top level. 23:34:30 if you (define (ask msg) (display msg) (read)), you can just (define name (ask "What's your name")) 23:34:30 give it a default value 23:34:32 define it to #f 23:35:06 some schemes allow you to just do (define name), I forget if it's allowed in the standard 23:35:07 but what SharkBrain describes should work... 23:35:10 turbofail [~user@adsl-69-238-246-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:35:10 SharkBrain: That's a good point. 23:35:19 sladegen: IJP SharkBrain Thank you 23:35:23 I'm full of good points 23:35:30 ;-) we shall see 23:35:37 is that from getting speared by divers? 23:35:55 not divers, just assassins with poor sense of place 23:36:19 hm... didn't know assasins were into shark hunting 23:37:20 have to keep up the skills somehow 23:37:26 they do it for the money 23:37:46 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:55 SharkBrain: That's pretty good practice. I probably wouldn't have thought of that very easily. 23:40:03 incubot: don't leave expressions without their values. 23:40:06 Thank you very much. I have to leave. See you :-) 23:40:17 bye 23:42:26 -!- Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:22 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 23:44:41 Arelius [~user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 23:52:43 drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:55:53 hm 23:56:05 does plt have any sort of docstring facility? 23:56:11 i keep hoping it might 23:57:22 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-111-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:14 Is there a predicate to check if an input file exists before attempting to open it?