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That chews up symbol space but it allows very easy optimization. 01:12:52 make-blob, blob, blob?, the basics. 01:13:06 Then blob--ref and blob--set!, 01:14:12 how do you handle endianness? 01:14:17 where types are u8, s8, u16, u16be, u16le, s16, s16be, s16le 01:14:24 and same for 64 and 128 01:14:36 and then f32, f64, c64, c128 01:14:56 why complex numbers? 01:15:16 Those who need them, need them in Fortran-compatible form 01:15:58 fortran programmers make use of complex arrays? 01:16:09 Sure, if they are doing anything relevant to EE. 01:18:35 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:19:34 Also, separate getters and setters for utf8, utf16, utf16be, utf16le. 01:19:55 that require a length, or final byte, or whatever. 01:20:55 Lots of scientific work needs complex numbers, and people using complex numbers really need complex arrays 01:20:56 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 01:22:18 So the whole dealie is 70+ procedure names, but optimizing them away is dead easy. 01:23:56 yeah, i'm aware complex numbers are crucial for engineering, just never stopped to think that fortran provides them natively. makes sense now. 01:24:30 doesn't necessarily mesh w/ scheme implementations which provide exact complex numbers. 01:25:46 Well, it would have to coerce them to exact at set time. 01:25:52 s/exact/inexact 01:29:45 I think this is much better than internally having all kinds of different homogeneous vectors a la SRFI-4, though it's easy to implement (most of) SRFI-4 on top of it. 01:29:58 This way you only need a trivial dynamic type check. 01:30:12 (a blob, fine; not a blob, die) 01:31:32 well, plus alignment issues which don't exist in SRFI-4 01:31:57 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 01:32:36 True. 01:32:48 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 01:33:00 SinDoc [~d5319136@gateway/web/freenode/x-yppxypjyrbljccvz] has joined #scheme 01:33:07 I'd be okay with making the non-string types not work with bad alignment. 01:35:13 we should also enforce word alignment on each utf8 codepoint 01:35:18 :) 01:36:20 metasyntax [~taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:36:46 Well, I guess it would be okay to make the offset argument be in items (a la SRFI-4) rather than bytes. 01:36:55 It's not like we don' 01:37:07 t know exactly how large each object is. 01:37:13 That way they are all aligned. 01:37:43 that _was_ meant to be a joke :) 01:38:11 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 01:39:35 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:41:10 For utf-8, yes. 01:41:43 But if we are going to forbid misaligned s16 access (say), the offset might as well be in 2-byte chunks after all. 01:49:24 true 01:50:10 Anyway, the new package provides "JavaScript-like objects", or JSOs. 01:50:21 It's really just a set of conventions for using a-lists. 01:51:40 JSON support would be nice 01:52:02 Nothing to do with JSON. 01:52:49 In JavaScript, objects are property bags with prototypes, which is emulated with a-lists that have cells with a marker in the pair. 01:53:02 yeah, was just musing :) 01:53:07 So when you get a key, it's just a small wrapper around assq, 01:53:23 but when you set! a key, it modifies only the object itself, never the prototype chain. 01:53:33 The marker is always at the top of each a-list. 01:53:50 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 01:55:55 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:00:21 _pr0t0type_ [~prototype@cpe-69-201-142-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:01:33 -!- Blkt` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-25-19.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:33 <_pr0t0type_> Hi everyone. Question: any idea why a scheme function might return *blank*? I don't mean null, or #void, but just nothing but a newline blank. Something really weird I've encountered. In anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. 02:01:55 <_pr0t0type_> and no, it's not a (newline) 02:02:25 Which Scheme? 02:04:40 perhaps a call to values with no arguments? 02:06:30 <_pr0t0type_> drscheme is it 02:07:39 <_pr0t0type_> IJP: I will check that, thanks 02:09:26 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 02:18:14 -!- _pr0t0type_ [~prototype@cpe-69-201-142-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:25:43 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:27:23 -!- andreer [andreer@flode.pvv.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:28:03 andreer [andreer@flode.pvv.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 02:28:59 -!- Checkie [2042@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:29:28 -!- rudybot [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:49 rudybot [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 02:35:23 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 02:35:55 Checkie [590@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 02:38:06 http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/0.9/notification-spec-0.9.txt 02:38:07 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/cjte86 02:38:16 *foof* had no idea such a project existed 02:39:45 ... and the interface sucks :/ 02:39:49 at least for gnome 02:43:33 drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:49:29 sstrickl_ [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:49:36 -!- sstrickl_ [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:52:41 timj_ [~timj@e176194118.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:56:14 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176198144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:56:59 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.175.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:04:58 -!- davazp [~user@83.57.37.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:10 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-243.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:39 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-243.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 03:10:46 -!- cky [~cky@h-166-165-112-81.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:13:08 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:04 max_atreides [~max_atrei@cpe-24-168-34-229.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:18:10 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:21 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-243.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:28:01 -!- SinDoc [~d5319136@gateway/web/freenode/x-yppxypjyrbljccvz] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:36:55 Daemmerung [~goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 03:37:49 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 03:38:07 rudybot_ [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 03:41:09 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-9-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:41:41 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:42:02 -!- rudybot [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:45:03 _danb_ [~user@124-171-10-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 04:04:41 SharkBrain [~gerard@210.48.104.34] has joined #scheme 04:07:39 i'm learning scheme using SICP. is mit-scheme package that comes will linux good enough for that text book, or should I rather download the mit-6001 package and use that interpreter? 04:07:44 I don't suppose anyone has a scheme oauth client hidden away somewhere do they? 04:08:15 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 04:08:33 max_atreides: I would imagine that whatever mit-scheme package your distro has will handle SICP well enough, it's a fairly old book 04:08:36 max_atreides: I've never even heard of "mit-6001" but it sounds like it might be suited to SICP 04:08:50 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-42-153.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit:  UniCode shall rein forever! ] 04:08:56 as far as I know know scheme is exactly right for SICP 04:09:07 PLT is said to have some sort of plugin for it, but I've never used it 04:10:11 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:11:14 thanks. I am mainly worried about name collisions as in SICP re-implements some basic procedurs in excersizes (like sqrt). 04:12:13 max_atreides, I use PLT and it supports many standards; I'm sure that one of them would be compatible with the book 04:12:34 reimplementation is not a big deal, there's a preference that allows it in PLT 04:12:50 s/reimplementation/clobbering builtins/ 04:14:57 cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 04:15:44 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot 04:16:19 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:21:10 -!- parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:54 incubot: ain't no mountain high enough. 04:24:57 Kilimanjaro is a mountain. 04:26:47 Oh, I like s/hacking/clobbering. "It's clobbering time!" 04:27:28 incubot, quit with the name calling 04:27:31 no, it's just from #emacs, and that's the same obnoxious quit message that Xah Lee has used for the past year or so since he was banned from #emacs. 04:27:42 -!- MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 04:28:13 incubot: are you worried that rudybot will be stealing your thunder? 04:28:16 thunder coming. 04:39:14 phao [~phao@189.107.133.169] has joined #scheme 05:08:04 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 05:13:13 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:26 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 05:18:26 -!- rapacity [~prwg@li30-188.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:18:26 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 05:19:53 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 05:30:49 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] 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Question: would a Y-combinator fail in a scheme with dynamic scoping? I have successfully converted the-little-schemer interpreter from lexical to dynamic, but Y-combinator example input is failing on me. I'm thinking Y-combinations are not supported with dynamic scoping. Is this true? 14:01:45 _pr0t0type_1, why are you writing dynamically-scoped interpreters? 14:02:00 <_pr0t0type_1> samth: for practice 14:02:11 -!- Blkt`` [~user@160.80.129.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:03:24 do you also implement incorrect arithmetic for practice? 14:03:36 <_pr0t0type_1> samth: haha 14:03:59 <_pr0t0type_1> I'm just trying to learn man, there is nothing wrong with that. 14:05:23 <_pr0t0type_1> samth: by your logic, pure Lisp is completely incorrect. Some would crucify you for that, haha. 14:05:56 i think mccarthy agrees with me, and the designers of common lisp certainly did 14:07:09 <_pr0t0type_1> anyway, thanks for the "help." 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Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-xo.basistech.com] has joined #scheme 17:57:07 is there a way to have variables only inside of a macro so they are only accessible from another macro? 17:58:25 Leonidas pasted "intercal style" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/98048 17:59:16 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-48.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 18:04:23 Leonidas: That reminds me of fluid-let-syntax in Chez scheme, if it helps: . 18:05:34 Leonidas, I don't know about r6rs but you can use syntax-parameters in plt for that 18:10:42 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-xo.basistech.com] has left #scheme 18:13:02 choas [~lars@p5B0DB90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:13:31 jonrafkind: I do use PLT, but I'd like to keep it r6rs for now 18:13:51 bweaver: Ok, now I have a keyword for google to search, thanks. 18:14:33 Leonidas: I don't use PLT, but syntax-parameters sound like the same thing as Chez fluid-let-syntax. 18:15:15 Leonidas: If you want to stick with R6, another approach is to convert your macros to continuation passing style. 18:15:42 bweaver: oh, I think I'd need to go with that. 18:15:44 -!- rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:01 *Leonidas* has never used CPS, though. 18:16:14 so maybe this is a bit oversized for my toy examples. 18:16:21 I don't know if it'd even work for your application, though :| 18:16:38 What are you trying to accomplish? 18:19:21 bweaver: this is more of a plaything of what I can do with r6rs macros 18:19:46 bweaver: What I am trying to do is having a counter to hold the number of (please ...) calls 18:20:25 bweaver: then divide it by the number of stuff not wrapped in (please ...) and if the ratio is to low or high, throw errors (preferably syntax errors) 18:20:45 bweaver: a bit like intercal. 18:22:23 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:24:23 -!- int3 [~int3@bb219-74-28-19.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:22 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#scheme 22:09:39 Hi. 22:10:11 nurv: .iH 22:10:24 -!- saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-77-78.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:10:46 "For the first time it will be possible to have all the metaprogramming power Lisp has without having to compromise on having syntax." 22:10:56 Heh. Unaware of history, are we? 22:11:38 What's wrong with the lisp syntax? 22:12:00 Nothing; I'm quoting an article that klutometis linked to before you joined. 22:12:09 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-111-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:09 This sentence explains everything: "Perl 6 is Lisp with a perly syntax." 22:12:18 Ah. 22:12:22 The perl6 thing. 22:12:32 It's like "A frog with pterodactylus wings". 22:12:51 "...compromise on having syntax" is a bizarre assertion, isn't it? surely syntax trees are a form of syntax; even if they relate to it by identity. 22:13:07 chandler: what history are you referring to, btw? 22:13:14 nurv: http://blogs.perl.org/users/leon_timmermans/2010/04/why-perl-6-is-different.html 22:13:15 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/y3gnn3q 22:13:18 klutometis: maybe dylan 22:13:42 and that SRFI on Scheme that proposes other indentation based syntax 22:13:44 nurv: ah, good point; or ecmascript, for that matter. 22:13:52 klutometis: Dylan, mostly. 22:14:08 ECMAScript, like Tcl and Perl 5, isn't really the same thing. 22:14:22 nurv: that was an april 1st joke, but not published on april 1st, basically. 22:14:30 There have been some other "macros with infix lexical syntax" projects, all of which escape me at the moment. 22:14:37 mario-goulart: Perl 6, you mean? 22:14:45 No, srfi-49. 22:15:02 Oh. 22:15:55 MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:17:56 chandler: I know PLT has a (1 . + . 2) notation 22:18:43 That hurts my eyes. 22:18:50 Yes, and just thinking about it makes me break out in hives. Or was it chives? That'd be somewhat less irritating, I suppose. 22:19:23 (0 . 0) <- wide-open-eyes pair 22:20:17 :) 22:20:39 I wonder wether something like (expr 2 + 2) would be better as in TCL. 22:20:58 But optional, i prefer the standard syntax anyway. 22:21:00 For what it's worth, C# 3.0 allows you to quote expressions as values, walk and modify the AST of these at run-time, and then generate code from them - essentially, a hugely complicated EVAL. It does not make C# a Lisp. 22:21:27 -!- MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:23:10 It's pretty pathetic 22:23:20 They all try to copy Lisp features, but they do it so *badly* 22:23:54 *sjamaan* is reading something linked to in that article called Apocalypse 5. It explains Larry Wall's vision of what regexes should be 22:24:03 It looks like a failed hairy-syntax version of SREs 22:24:15 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:33 Yes, well, if someone has understood Lisp, if they produced a copy of it wouldn't it necessarily be just another Lisp dialect? 22:24:50 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 22:24:59 Obviously they didn't *quite* understand it :) 22:25:34 There are a huge number of Scheme dialects created by people who understand Scheme. Someone who thought he understood Scheme created JavaScript and then claimed it was just like Scheme - except, of course, that it lacks any of the distinguishing features that make Scheme Scheme. 22:26:15 sjamaan: I somehow didn't get the point of Apocalypse 5 22:26:29 while Perl 6 might be interesting 22:27:06 Leonidas: I just skimmed it, TBH 22:27:20 Leonidas: The point of SREs (to me, at least), is readable and composable regexes 22:27:36 sjamaan: i noticed that, too, in python's lambda, say; or even php 6's "closures". who coined that principle about "any sufficiently advanced program reinvents lisp poorly"? maybe it applies to languages as well. 22:27:53 :) 22:27:57 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7FF4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:17 I think you're thinking of Greenspun's tenth law of programming? 22:28:36 sjamaan: exactly 22:28:39 MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:29:07 klutometis: to be fair, nobody in python things that lambdas are useful for something else than just laughing at it. 22:29:26 *thinks even 22:30:06 Leonidas: yes, i realized they've been vanquished by lisp comprehensions and are being excommunicated from python 3000; but why have them then at all, i wonder? 22:30:07 They were added to shut up the grumpy lispers who are forced to program in it 22:30:08 Well, at least Javascript isn't as awful as PHP is. 22:30:26 s/lisp/list/ (freudian?) 22:30:31 PHP is not awful! 22:30:36 klutometis: they are still in python 3. 22:30:43 nurv: It's very close to PHP's crappiness, but also very far removed 22:30:58 Leonidas: oh, that must be a new development; i thought the BDFL had them banished for awhile 22:30:59 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 22:31:13 sjamaan, yes, but which one would you choose if you had to for web development? 22:31:14 klutometis: and they were there since ages because somebody (probably coming from lisp) added them. of course bady. 22:31:38 klutometis: map and reduce were banished from builtins into the standard library. not a big change, though. 22:31:41 nurv: JS :) 22:31:54 the builtins don't contain anything usefull anyway :) 22:31:56 Though I'm stuck using PHP for the moment 22:32:15 _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-mxvzfvuitmgujaws] has joined #scheme 22:32:18 is there no sane language implemented in PHP? 22:32:24 Leonidas: No 22:32:35 PHP _is_ the Turing tarpit 22:32:54 i guess because everyone who tried, eventually killed himself. Sounds resonable. 22:33:13 yep :) 22:34:01 i'd like to propose an addendum to greenspun's tenth about "sufficiently crufty programming languages accruing half-ass lisp-like toys," but i'm not sure how to word it 22:34:10 :) 22:34:23 klutometis: You could just refer to Worse is Better 22:34:53 sjamaan: nice; but isn't that just nihilism all over again? 22:35:42 klutometis: Sometimes I tend to think so 22:35:44 If worse is better, PHP just tried to be the best. 22:36:13 Other times I think that Worse is Better is being tongue-in-cheek and actually rooting for The Right Thing 22:36:24 That's the beauty of it 22:36:32 Even Gabriel isn't sure what it means :) 22:37:43 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:57 It is NILism. 22:46:05 :) 22:46:10 But this isn't invented in Scheme land. 22:46:19 Indeed 22:47:01 Maybe we'll have SBCL again in a bit. 22:50:18 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:00:38 sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:05:10 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:05:24 IJP [~Ian@host86-173-116-174.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:11:26 -!- _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-mxvzfvuitmgujaws] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:12:16 _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-ffjmkukgwnaggudo] has joined #scheme 23:13:48 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@129-97-208-195.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 23:27:00 -!- davazp [~user@83.57.37.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:29 -!- jlongster [~user@173-164-11-142-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:33:06 nickgibbon [~nring@210.8.201.244] has joined #scheme 23:41:19 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 23:43:10 <_rata_> does anyone knows about an implementation of define-type and type-case from PLAI in R6RS? 23:46:49 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-57-0-14.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:46:57 Hah! I didn't know that MIT Scheme had a new release. Cool. 23:47:06 Time to download and play around. 23:52:12 Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-208-195.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 23:52:36 _rata_ there is something similar in the spells library 23:54:06 http://github.com/rotty/spells in algebraic-types.sls 23:55:00 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@129-97-208-195.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:58:23 <_rata_> IJP: thanks :) 23:59:24 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-231.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 23:59:49 <_rata_> is there a common way to install scheme libraries?