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Is there at least an R5RS Scheme for Maemo 5? 05:41:32 phao [~phao@189.107.164.197] has joined #scheme 05:45:32 elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 05:46:46 wow, the r6rs editors list is enlightening 06:00:45 foof, please share the wisdom with us lay people 06:03:58 -!- kodekill [~kodekill@63-248-173-11.static.logl002.digis.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:04:31 kilimanjaro: they're publicly available 06:06:37 I thought perhaps you had something specific in mind 06:11:25 lots of little things, and how they parallel WG1 06:14:34 -!- xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14:53 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 06:16:56 cky [~cky@h-166-165-93-36.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 06:22:41 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-216-232.net.novis.pt] has left #scheme 06:25:36 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 06:35:48 -!- mbishop_ is now known as mbishop 07:05:58 AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable049.173-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 07:05:59 -!- AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable049.173-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 07:18:00 -!- Ebzzry [~Ebzzry@124.217.83.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:19:05 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:26:06 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:26:16 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 07:30:18 xray7224 [~xray7224@unaffiliated/xray7224] has joined #scheme 07:37:59 -!- copumpkin is now known as LadyBlaBa 07:38:05 -!- LadyBlaBa is now known as LadyBlaBla 07:44:41 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 07:56:07 choas [~lars@p5B0DED38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 08:18:50 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.164.197] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:29:47 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:33:11 fabe [~fabe@p54A7E8CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 08:37:11 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 08:40:59 -!- LadyBlaBla [~copumpkin@32.165.13.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:07 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #scheme 09:50:48 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:50:51 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-162-12-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 09:51:12 weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #scheme 09:59:09 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 10:02:00 ejs [~eugen@11-249-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 10:07:23 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-132-189-83.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 10:10:03 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:52 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 10:12:00 -!- xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:17 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 10:17:37 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-153.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 10:18:14 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-25-82-254-147-92.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-132-189-83.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:20:46 Sergio`_ [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 10:20:58 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:40 anyone know of a reason why two identical numbers, don't fail the less-than test? 10:26:57 ie: (< 4 4) = #t 10:27:00 for some reason on my scheme 10:27:05 (just in a certain situation and it's for pi) 10:28:12 I suspect that they are not exactly identical. 10:28:24 Usually because they are inexact 10:28:27 -!- Sergio`_ is now known as Sergio` 10:28:36 csa: 1.5707963267949 hp: 1.5707963267949 csa-smaller-than-hp? #t 10:28:44 hmm 10:28:52 I wonder how I can get around this. 10:30:34 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-57-82-249-57-158.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 10:30:47 fixed... 10:30:53 still, this seems weird. 10:34:25 Jafet: if I do the same comparison, at the REPL, it works properly: 10:34:25 #;6> (< (* 64 (/ (* 2 pi) 256)) (/ pi 2)) 10:34:25 #f 10:46:14 how do you replace default syntax with one, which has more functionality? 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joined #scheme 16:50:35 Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-244-243.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 16:51:48 mandala [mandala@anapnea.net] has joined #scheme 17:06:34 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslen172.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:06:39 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 17:18:46 francogrex [~francogre@234.102-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #scheme 17:19:41 is there something that is equivalent: (map + #(1 2 3) #(4 5 6)) 17:22:33 vector-map 17:23:27 is it standard? 17:24:06 in R6RS yes, it's also in one of the SRFIs 17:24:43 although, it's slightly different in the SRFI version 17:25:01 ok, r6,that's why i don't have it 17:26:15 which implementation? 17:29:10 -!- elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: elderK] 17:30:29 pocketscheme 17:30:54 but can i download the vectors srfi? 17:32:00 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-43/srfi-43.html 17:32:19 It has a reference implementation 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joined #scheme 20:47:58 -!- untouchable [untouchabl@dhcp-129-64-166-29.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:49:35 kang-r-us [dbastos@189-93-188-56.3g.claro.net.br] has joined #scheme 21:03:49 untouchable [untouchabl@dhcp-129-64-166-29.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #scheme 21:21:09 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:24 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 21:22:05 schmir [~schmir@p54A93D56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:26:19 -!- kang-r-us [dbastos@189-93-188-56.3g.claro.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:27:16 neilv [~user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 21:27:22 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 21:27:51 that topic was cute for the first few years 21:29:35 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:33 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:33:39 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:53 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:35:09 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:36:38 rotty pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97935 21:37:20 that's a problem with SRFI-45 I have on PLT Scheme: 21:37:42 force: composable promise with invalid contents: #}> 21:38:23 on Ikarus, Ypsilon, using the reference implementation of SRFI 45, it works as expected 21:39:02 `list->stream' definition is from Riastradh's parscheme 21:39:28 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:39:29 Is this correct code (and hence a PLT bug), or am I doing sth. wrong? 21:46:00 Daemmerung [~goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 21:50:46 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A93D56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:48 -!- choas [~lars@p5B0DED38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:53:10 -!- Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: 'night!] 21:58:02 cledu [~stosp@ip72-192-227-82.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 21:58:10 rotty: compile: unbound identifier in module in: eager 21:58:26 rotty: But more seriously -- two things: 21:59:00 1. You probably want to use `lazy' instead of `delay' throughout. Incidentally, that avoids the bug. 21:59:09 2. This certainly looks like a bug. 21:59:43 And BTW, our library goes well beyond the srfi-45 thing. (And definitely the reference implementation...) 22:00:41 -!- mandala [mandala@anapnea.net] has left #scheme 22:02:48 phao [~phao@189.107.133.153] has joined #scheme 22:03:23 rotty: Here's a minimized example of the bug: (let ([x (lazy (delay 1))]) (force x) (force x)) 22:07:23 -!- \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:07:39 eli: thanks for the hints. should I file a bug report? 22:09:07 That wouldn't make any difference... 22:09:26 -!- doc_who [~doc_who@c-98-231-201-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:10:22 ok 22:11:57 BTW, replacing `delay' with `lazy' everywhere fixes PLT, but breaks on the reference implementation of SRFI-45 22:14:58 rotty: Ah yes, in our implementation `lazy' works with everything, the srfi implementation is insisting on its own (slightly meta-) type rules. 22:17:45 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-97.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:21:21 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-153.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:22:58 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 22:24:15 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:27:36 rotty: So, I have an "obvious" fix, but it will take me some digging to commit it... 22:27:50 The thing is that this code is the absolute opposite of "obvious". 22:28:37 *rotty* hasn't even wrapped around his head around the reference implementation, much less PLT's implementation ;-) 22:28:46 -!- iwikiwi [~unknown@208.110.86.181] has left #scheme 22:28:56 Well, the comment I added there when 4.2.5 came out and I fixed yet another bug says: 22:29:11 "measuring time invested divided by the number of lines, this innocent looking piece of code is by far the leader of that competition -- handle with extreme care." 22:29:46 *grin* 22:29:51 /* You aren't supposed to understand this. */ 22:30:09 abandon hope, all ye who enter here 22:33:28 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:33:36 eli: mind to put an unoffical patch somewhere, so I can give it a spin? 22:35:10 \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has joined #scheme 22:40:08 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:39 samth [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:46:11 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@rrcs-67-78-79-54.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:47:49 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7DC49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:36 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 22:52:17 davazp [~user@108.Red-79-150-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:54:18 rotty: Well, the simplest thing to do is to open the implementation -- collects/scheme/private/promise.ss 22:54:34 Look for that error message, and add this branch before it: [(promise? v) (force v)] 22:56:54 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:09 eli: thanks. btw, eager is missing in srfi/45 (as I wrote on the ML) 22:57:30 rotty: `eager' has absolutely no use. 22:58:05 that might well be the case, but it's part of the SRFI-45 interface, IIUC 22:58:50 + (define (eager value) (lazy value)) 22:59:10 would that be an acceptable addition to srfi/45, then? 22:59:25 *eli* switches to a motherly voice 22:59:35 rotty: And if srfi-45 said that you should jump from the roof, would you do that too? 23:00:07 DeathC200 [~gamingxpe@adsl-76-252-27-208.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:00:23 it's not me that wants to jump from the roof, but if other people want to do so, I don't have moral authority to stop them 23:01:56 I *might* add it, although I dislike touching anything in the srfi collection, since I almost never use stuff from there. 23:02:37 *rotty* uses it all over the place 23:02:57 Using (define eager values) would work too. 23:03:47 dfkjjkfd_ [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 23:03:48 -!- dfkjjkfd_ [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 23:07:52 hmm, and the all-from-out in collects/srfi/45/lazy.ss seems wrong as well 23:08:14 -!- haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10:10 haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 23:10:36 eli: uhm, no. 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