00:00:34 Ah, and I see, that's exactly what he's trying to do. 00:00:41 arcfide: indeed. 00:00:54 If that were me, I would have written that with WITH-IMPLICIT. 00:01:04 arcfide: I had some PLT specific code and thought I could port that to R6RS 00:01:42 Daemmerung: datum->syntax: expected argument of type ; given # 00:01:49 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:56 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 00:02:06 arcfide annotated #97839 "Capturing" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97839#1 00:03:23 arcfide: with-implicit is not part of R6RS, is it? 00:04:49 arcfide annotated #97839 "with-implicit" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97839#2 00:05:50 Leonidas: I would classify it as one of those "essential" things that you define any time you want to do serious wrap altering in macros. 00:06:29 After having used it, I find it much more pleasant than having a ton of datum->syntax and syntax->datum procedures sitting around. 00:06:33 arcfide: I am writing a paper on r6rs scheme macros, so I'd prefer the simplest solution that is portable. 00:07:08 Well, it depends on what you want to do. If you are going to be doing a lot of capturing, WITH-IMPLICIT will make your examples easier to read. 00:07:19 I could probably define it, but the code is nothing serious, it is just to demonstrate how unhygienic macros work 00:07:20 If you want to discuss the elements of SYNTAX-CASE, then it's probably not very useful. 00:07:41 arcfide: it will be rather the latter 00:08:50 arcfide annotated #97839 "How I would do it without WITH-IMPLICIT" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97839#3 00:08:51 I used PLT with-syntax & syntax-local-introduce & syntax-local-get-shadower but that looked rather ugly and was nonstandard 00:11:08 arcfide: yep, that at least does not err, but it doesn't capture not either :) 00:11:24 (you're right, looks rather ugly) 00:11:34 Yes it does. 00:12:23 ok, I am just stupid. it works indeed 00:12:34 -!- seamus-android [~alistair@host86-183-193-143.range86-183.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:12:52 by the way, what exactly is the first argument to datum->syntax? 00:13:13 Leonidas: It's an identifier. It's used to determine how to wrap the second datum. 00:14:26 Not in PLT. 00:14:45 which might explain Leonidas' barfage 00:15:21 Daemmerung: I assume that he's using the R6RS language. 00:15:25 arcfide: what do you mean by wrapping? How is this identifier related to the resulting syntax object? 00:15:49 Daemmerung: no, my fault was that I just used #'k instead of #'capture-not 00:16:06 which worked, but didn't produce the desired results 00:16:27 s/fault/error/ 00:16:31 Ahh, you had capture-not as the first variable, no? 00:17:23 arcfide: yep. Therefore I'm wondering what influence the variable had so it returned #t when I used #'k instead. 00:17:25 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-126.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:17:34 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.59] has joined #scheme 00:18:02 Leonidas: When you used #'k, the wraps on K pointed to whatever K was bound to in the scope of the macro definition. 00:18:19 In this case, since K was not a pattern variable, it was wrapped in the macro definition. 00:18:41 If you had K as a pattern variable, as I have in my version, then it would get replaced by the variable that is matched by that pattern variable. 00:19:07 In this case, that identifier would be the call-site instance of the CAPTURE-NOT call, and would be scoped at the call site, rather than at the definition site. 00:19:38 This means that the wraps applied to the datum in the #'k case for you were actually not doing anything, because NOT would already have been wrapped there, and it would reference the NOT that was visible when the macro was defined. 00:19:43 ah, so it is somehow related to the scope of the identifier that I pass? 00:20:16 Basically, datum->syntax takes the wraps/scope of the first identifier you pass, and inserts the second argument datum into the scope of the first. 00:20:39 arcfide: ahh. Got it. 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I don't need some lame html version 03:23:35 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.196.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:23:41 this is the file I want: http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/neil/htmlprag.plt/1/6/htmlprag.ss 03:23:42 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/y5tzh63 03:33:55 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34:51 copumpkin_ [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:35:51 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:51 -!- copumpkin_ is now known as copumpkin 03:37:17 bipt` [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 03:38:25 -!- bet [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:26 -!- bipt` is now known as bet` 03:38:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-132-189-83.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: ...] 03:39:43 zbigniew: I suspect you're doomed to download the .plt file, and then unpack it. 03:39:54 I don't think the web server knows how to serve the individual files. 03:43:05 -!- Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-208-195.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:43:10 Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-208-195.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 03:44:55 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@dsl.77.8.networkiowa.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!] 03:47:08 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48:56 offby1: ok. how do I grab the .plt package 03:49:30 oh. 03:49:39 I think you can download it with the "planet" command-line tool 03:50:41 cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 04:00:23 quit 04:00:25 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:01:41 elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 04:01:47 chandler: Hey? 04:02:11 A long time ago, I remember bitching about bad values with trig functions, say, cos (/ pi 2) 04:02:18 You told me to simply change my expectations. 04:02:27 (which I've done, I've worked around the issues) 04:02:35 But, I've been pondering since - how would you have handled that situation? 04:04:24 elderK: I wrote about this once. Lemme hunt you the link. 04:04:34 Thanks cky :) 04:04:50 elderK: In summary, you need to provide explicit support for pi as its own entity (think i in complex numbers). 04:04:51 See, this week I spent some time playing/tinkering with graphs of sin and cos and such. 04:04:56 Rather than as some floating-point number. 04:05:23 elderK: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1053 04:05:51 Thanks man 04:06:07 No worries, but it may not be the answer you want to hear, because it complicates your functions lots. :-P 04:06:41 aye. 04:06:48 and I'm not looking for horrendous accuracy, either. 04:07:41 elderK: Also notice the table I compiled of various language (and their implementations), and how close to zero they get, or don't get. :-P 04:07:50 *languages 04:09:46 In other words, you're not alone! 04:10:22 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 04:10:48 woot! 04:10:54 :) 04:10:59 Hehehehe. 04:11:12 For my purposes, the workaround was reasonably simple. 04:11:39 offby1: hmm, i was hoping for some sort of, you know, standard protocol 04:12:56 elderK: Lemme guess, (if (< (abs x) 1.2246063538223773e-16) 0 x) ? :-P 04:13:05 Nope :P 04:13:30 :P I was doing stuff with circles, so, I relied on the fact of symmetry. 04:13:41 so, I never got to the situation where I'd do (cos (/ pi 2)) 04:14:18 instead of calculating the points I wanted around a circle - I calculated all of them, minus due-north, due-south, d-east and d-west 04:14:23 :P I just crammed those in later. 04:14:46 So, a circle with 4 spikes. Nice. :-P 04:14:54 :P 04:14:56 It worked. 04:15:10 Hehehehe. 04:15:20 It was an easier issue to work around, when you started creating circles by only calculating individual quadrants, 04:15:25 since, each quadrant is a flip of the other in some aspect. 04:15:33 cuts down the amount of stupid checks you might have to pull, you know? 04:15:34 Indeed. 04:15:48 It's a trick I had to use in solving at least one Google Code Jam problem. :-P 04:15:49 still, was aggrivating. 04:15:54 I remember doing something similar in C a long time ago, 04:15:59 Methinks it was the "Fly Swatter" problem, come to think of it. 04:16:01 except, cos(pi / 2) 04:16:05 actually did give me zero! 04:16:22 That's probably a rounding thing. :-P 04:16:29 well, I was happy. 04:16:31 and kind of miss that. 04:16:32 :P 04:16:42 FOr all I know, it was an error - but it yeiled the results I wanted so... 04:16:55 #;1> (cos (/ 3.141592653589793 2)) 04:16:55 6.12323399573677e-17 04:17:07 :) that's what I get for half pi. 04:17:09 That's like saying you're happy that 1.0 / 9 * 9 == 1.0. (Which is, IIRC, untrue from a floating-point point of view.) 04:17:59 heh... my calculator does return me to 1. 04:17:59 :P 04:18:12 Heh. :-P 04:18:16 it rounds up I guess 04:18:22 0.111111111111111 * 9 = 1 04:18:26 Well yes, there's some element of rounding. 04:18:44 where is, it'd really be 0.999999999999999, no? 04:18:50 Sure. 04:19:14 :) If I seem a litlte shakey here, forgive me. I'm one of those types who loves math, but in actuality, has little skill. 04:19:17 Which is why I'm taking math papers! 04:19:18 :D 04:19:26 and so far, they are proving to be fascinating and fun 04:19:27 :) 04:19:36 Though, lim n->inf sum_k=1^n (9 * 10^-k) = 1. :-P 04:19:48 (Sorry, can't remember enough TeX to write that out properly in TeX.) 04:19:57 np :) 04:20:42 As for the best method of plotting points around a circle, I'm not so sure. I hate to do the same thing more than once... which makes the symmetry of circles kind of annoying for me :P 04:21:06 do the top hemisphere and flip the Y coordinates and you have the bottom hemisphere... 04:21:28 and since there are N points in the top hemisphere, that you'd be flipping, is it really any better than just, regenerating them for the bottom? 04:21:28 :) 04:22:09 I figure "Yeah, a litlte" since recalculating them for the bottom hemisphere is probably slower than just flipping coordinates - since the reusing of trig functions and stuff would take longer to execute...? 04:22:11 *elderK* shrugs 04:22:12 *elderK* rambles. 04:22:13 :P 04:22:20 *elderK* watches as nurse ratchet comes up 04:22:23 eep 04:22:53 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:23:17 cky: keep wanting to learn about fixed point too. 04:24:27 elderK: You're just drawing onto a buffer, right? Can't you just, like blit the whole region around, but reflected? 04:24:39 yeah, I could indeed. 04:24:49 and for a 3d sphere, just rotate the top hemisphere. 04:24:57 but for the hell of it, I was generating an entire mesh. 04:25:02 something I could import into Blender. 04:25:02 :) 04:25:02 Heh. 04:25:07 No reason than for fun, you know. 04:25:22 Blender is too new-school for me, I'm more used to POV-Ray. :-P 04:25:28 zbigniew: there is some url that returns the .plt file, you'll probably find it somewhere on the mailing list. 04:25:49 zbigniew: And from there -- you need to just base64-decode it, then gunzip it, 04:26:22 and the result is a file that has all the subfiles, IIRC, it is something like ("path" ...)* 04:26:29 :) 04:26:42 zbigniew: yeah. Just run the command line tool under "strace", or use wireshark ... :) 04:26:45 zbigniew: Or you can get quack, and open it in Emacs. 04:26:52 cky: What do you know about fixed point? For me, it seems a game of determing how much accuracy you really need, which in the end, winds up pretty complicated to decide. 04:27:05 offby1: Sounds like he doesn't have/want in installed. 04:27:26 *eli* goes back to grafting 04:27:28 Kind of wonder how GL does it all. 04:27:54 *offby1* prays for eli's new (working) tree 04:27:56 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 04:28:14 offby1: It looks fine so far, with branches and everything. 04:28:34 Though it did require some manual grafting work to get it in shape. 04:28:51 actually, it appears i do have planet installed... i didn't want to have to screw around with it though, i just wanted one file 04:29:00 well, i'll look into it later 04:29:34 also, i do have quack 04:29:36 eli: thanks 04:30:13 zbigniew: So just open the .plt file in emacs -- it'll show the contents with headers. 04:30:34 It's like this article I read on DSP chips - they decided to have 512 "Degrees" instead of 360, which in the end, is kind of similar to saying 2pi instead of 360. 04:30:40 just, interstingish. 04:31:11 eli: well, i still have to figure out how to grab the .plt file ;) 04:31:19 don't worry about it though, it's on the back-burner 04:32:13 zbigniew: planet help 04:32:23 That says: fetch download a package file without installing it 04:32:34 Also: url get a URL for the given package 04:32:41 "make-directory: cannot make directory: /opt/local/share/mzscheme/ (Permission denied; errno=13)" 04:32:46 ...yeah 04:32:57 Do you need a single package? 04:33:08 i just need htmlprag.ss ;) 04:34:14 zbigniew: planet url neil htmlprag.plt 1 6 04:34:19 http://planet.plt-scheme.org/servlets/planet-servlet.ss?lang=%224.2.5.10%22&name=%22htmlprag.plt%22&maj=1&min-lo=6&min-hi=%23f&path=%28%22neil%22%29 04:34:20 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/y6t8gor 04:34:46 the reason is that htmlprag 0.16 is unusably broken and I was hoping 0.19 fixes this (doubtful) 04:34:53 "make-directory: cannot make directory: /opt/local/share/mzscheme/ (Permission denied; errno=13)" 04:35:15 Something in your installation is broken. 04:35:33 But that url is sufficient. 04:35:49 Yeah, I got it. 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12:01:00 tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 12:03:30 \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6b9b] has joined #scheme 12:06:15 -!- xray7224 [~xray7224@unaffiliated/xray7224] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzzzz Leave a post at http://megworld.co.uk/forums and ill reply :)] 12:08:41 PLT calls it ``Curried Function Shorthand'': http://docs.plt-scheme.org/guide/define.html#%28part._.Curried_.Function_.Shorthand%29 12:08:42 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/y43j8mm 12:09:57 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 12:10:11 Thanks, sloyd. Is there any SRFI or paper about it? Or have it grown based on common sense? 12:16:45 I think the latter. Chicken has it too: http://chicken.wiki.br/man/4/Extensions%20to%20the%20standard#define 12:17:50 Yeah, guile too. 12:18:00 gauche, too 12:22:33 -!- karme [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-001-160.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:21 -!- \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6b9b] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:36:05 -!- elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:36:55 elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 12:47:50 \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6b9b] has joined #scheme 12:48:59 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 12:56:02 bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 12:57:20 -!- \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6b9b] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:58:28 davazp [~user@108.Red-79-150-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:06:25 \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has joined #scheme 13:12:38 -!- davazp [~user@108.Red-79-150-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:29 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 14:46:29 14:46:29 -!- names: ccl-logbot rtra francogrex scheibo schmir ejs Sergio` eli rup ski jmcphers glogic_ z0d qebab_ mario-go` Mohamdu xwl_ \net bweaver elderK dfkjjkfd tizoc sstrickl kar8nga fradgers- Jafet Nshag MrFahrenheit brandelune melba shrughes mbohun masm timj_ MichaelRaskin REPLeffect ASau` chittoor gnomon cpr420 copumpkin PygoscelisPapua Andrej1 mjonsson doc_who FiveLemon kniu rapacity untouchable yosafbridge wolgo Checkie kilimanjaro foof bzzbzz sladegen aehrisch 14:46:29 -!- names: Daemmerung weinholt leppie stepnem tltstc rrm3 ingenious Poeir ve Pepe_ Armageddon00 roderic nowhere_man Kusanagi dfeuer offby1 adzuci SharkBrain felipe saccade metasyntax jimrees_ xavieran Mr_Awesome acarrico lisppaste futilius mbishop araujo cmatei saccade_ metasyntax` rntz Obfuscate pchrist haesbaert snorble DerGuteMoritz Adrinael mornfall elf dlouhy chandler mreggen sloyd andreer bgs000 ironChicken rmrfchik nasloc__ gabot C-Keen Contra sjamaan XTL 14:46:29 -!- names: jyujin kencausey clog iwikiwi aspect duncanm samth rotty shardz hosh_office borism emma Khisanth m811 ray rudybot erg incubot joast Axioplase_ alaricsp Quadrescence bunzz ecraven eno jay-mccarthy zbigniew Arelius eldragon fda314925 specbot minion ineiros Leonidas tabe`` twobitsprite elly klutometis mhoye 14:46:44 I know that it can support asm embedding in c 14:48:08 Still, compiling separately is a better idea since it will keep your code better organized 14:48:30 (and your editor's indentation and highlighting will work better when you keep them separate) 14:48:37 -!- schmir [~schmir@206.125.174.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:06 ok thx 14:50:07 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 14:51:09 -!- francogrex [~francogre@19.124-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 14:52:01 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:53:20 Question: I'm writing a routine that normally returns values of a certain type, but can also return an "out of domain" value. 14:53:32 The relationship of this value to normal values is something like the relation of () to pairs. 14:54:12 Is it better to expose a predicate to test whether an object is the special value, or to expose the special value itself? Scheme does both with (), but I want to do only one of them. 14:54:47 the former 14:55:10 Okay, why? 14:55:21 My personal feeling is "expose the value", but as someone who has to support bullshit code written by bad programmers, I'm tempted to say "expose the predicate". 14:56:42 jcowan: Because the actual value is not meaningful; that it is out of range is. You should be returning the out-of-rangeness instead of the value, if that makes sense. 14:56:57 If I expose the value, it will have to be through a procedure anyway, to prevent bad code from cleverly changing it. 14:57:05 eof-object? 14:57:31 I'm going to guess that this has something to do with text strings. 14:58:04 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:14 Actually no, it has to do with Javascript-style objects, which return a (specific, testable) undefined value if you ask for a member that doesn't exist. 14:58:18 -!- ASau` [~user@77.246.231.195] has quit [Quit: off] 14:58:30 jcowan: Please use the predicate. :P 14:58:32 chandler: sync'd the plt proj last night, rebuilt (got lots of racket renaming noise); get-directory bug remains 14:59:29 Daemmerung, did you file a bug/post to the list? 14:59:31 Now in Javascript itself, you can set a member's value to undefined, and that is equivalent to removing it, but for Scheme purposes I'm happy to let people just remove it. 14:59:53 So I only need to test for undefined, not to pass it also, which is a Good Thing. 14:59:57 samth: haven't had time. will do so when i return from the gym if somebody else hasn't beaten me to it 15:00:10 Daemmerung, is it reproducible on a real os? 15:00:47 repro on multiple values of Windows. looks like a 3m mangling bug from a superficial inspection in the debuggah 15:01:06 it's hard for me to test then 15:01:42 *Daemmerung* has to run 15:01:55 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 15:08:45 xray7224 [~xray7224@unaffiliated/xray7224] has joined #scheme 15:09:21 -!- jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:11:07 aadvaojdbvajbvkj [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 15:11:16 -!- aadvaojdbvajbvkj [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:41 PLT does not have a way to refer to an C errno constant symbolically, right? 15:12:17 You can use the FFI. 15:15:08 Jafet: how can I use the FFI to get at the value of e.g. EEXIST? 15:15:52 I believe PLT's FFI knows macros, but you'll have to check otherwise 15:17:17 -!- elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: elderK] 15:20:25 Jafet, the PLT FFI does not know macros - it's all runtime 15:20:33 but there is special support for errno 15:21:00 http://docs.plt-scheme.org/foreign/foreign_procedures.html?q=errno#%28idx._%28gentag._4._%28lib._scribblings/foreign/foreign..scrbl%29%29%29 15:21:01 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/y3jdpqo 15:21:07 Okay. 15:21:52 samth: I saw that, but that's only half the solution -- I can access errno, but I can't decode its value (besides it being zero/non-zero) 15:22:01 -!- elly [~elly@unaffiliated/elly] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 15:22:47 wsix [~wsix@c-76-21-137-232.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:23:53 *rotty* wants to implement `create-hard-link' on PLT, and have it raise proper (R6RS) conditions 15:24:07 why can't you get the numeric value? 15:24:16 that's what (saved-errno) produces? 15:24:25 samth: what does the numeric value /mean/? 15:24:41 I want to e.g. check it being EEXIST and a few other values 15:25:06 then you need to know what EEXIST is, and test against that 15:25:42 smath: ugh, I need to hard-code platform-specific values in my scheme program, then 15:26:01 You could write a helper script in the installer that finds the values... 15:26:04 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 15:26:11 Ugly solution to an ugly problem 15:26:14 either that or run a c compiler at runtime 15:26:21 if the user has a c compiler installed 15:26:42 Well, the easiest way to write that script is to use the local C compiler 15:26:47 *rotty* would like to have an `errno->symbol' procedure that covers all of POSIX errno.h 15:27:06 rotty, check out http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/dherman/c.plt/3/2/planet-docs/c/header.html 15:27:06 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/ylclbww 15:27:59 rotty, i'm sure if you wrote that procedure, we'd be happy to have it 15:28:24 samth: thanks, that's nice, but I hoped I could avoid going thru the C compiler :-/ 15:28:45 rotty, you can't possible avoid going through the c compiler 15:29:04 unless your host scheme knew what EEXIST was for every platform it might run on 15:29:13 and reified that in a library 15:30:35 i mean, try taking a look at the implementation of errno.h 15:30:47 it's pretty platform-dependent 15:31:42 I know 15:33:20 PLT should, ideally, provide the POSIX-specified errno values compiled in some module, IMHO 15:35:27 it ought to be pretty easy to write such a library using c.plt 15:36:18 I'll give it a try 15:36:54 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Quit: my favourite color is blue......NO, YELLOWWWWWWWWW] 15:42:47 TR2N [email@89.180.216.232] has joined #scheme 15:45:15 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53:32 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 15:54:57 -!- samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:03 samth: do you by chance know of example code using c.plt? I have a hard time to find out what to do with those `struct' definitions mentioned in c.plt docs... 15:56:03 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-198.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 15:57:14 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:59:20 samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:00:12 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-168.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:00:55 fabe [~fabe@p54A7E4B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:01:20 17:55 samth: do you by chance know of example code using 16:01:20 c.plt? I have a hard time to find out what to do with 16:01:21 those `struct' definitions mentioned in c.plt docs... 16:02:06 hmm 16:02:31 i think the struct definitions are for struct offsets 16:02:54 you should perhaps email dave (the author) and ask about constants 16:03:07 I mean e.g. `(struct query:sizeof (type))' 16:03:53 are those PLT's "units"? 16:03:59 no 16:04:21 the name of the struct type is `query:sizeof' 16:04:33 how do I construct such a beast? 16:04:46 (make-query:sizeof some-type-here) 16:04:58 *rotty* facepalm 16:13:14 gnomon [~ben@216.40.38.232] has joined #scheme 16:15:16 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:15:26 dzhus [~sphinx@95-27-205-235.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 16:16:02 copumpkin [~copumpkin@dhcp-212-221.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 16:17:12 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 16:17:24 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@dhcp-212-221.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:31:02 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 16:51:55 gnomon_ [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:52:41 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-74-68-121-85.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:53:10 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:06:14 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:06:42 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:08:46 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:15:21 Hi guys, is there an irc channel about plt-scheme ? 17:15:48 You seem to be in it 17:15:53 lol 17:16:23 I meant, a specific to plt 17:16:35 AFAIK there's #plt-scheme, but last time I tried to get in I was not allowed. 17:17:17 but anyway, I wanted to ask upstream how many libaries they bundle 17:17:32 all the stuff in collects/ 17:17:50 ls | wc yields 98 things 17:18:36 I meant from which libraries they have internal copies with changes in their sources 17:19:24 MononcQc [~ftrottier@207.253.180.96] has joined #scheme 17:19:40 gnu lightning, boehm gc, libunwind, the gnu math library thing, some list library in C 17:19:54 wx 17:20:03 oh the list thing is 'a-list' 17:20:25 libffi, libpng, jpeg, code from wxGTK, libatomic_ops 17:20:27 gcc ffi 17:20:30 don't know what else 17:20:52 libpng and jpeg are bundled? 17:21:13 the math thing is gmp 17:21:24 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:22:29 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:22:51 -!- \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:23:25 I'm trying to repackage this monster for gentoo and we have a policy not to use bundled copies of libraries, but I don't think I will manage not to break this rule :P 17:23:40 \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has joined #scheme 17:23:41 i thought gentoo already had a package for plt 17:23:47 yes 17:24:01 and it already has bundles that you are tyrying to get rid of? 17:24:11 yes 17:24:21 pchrist, i think it can use the system libpng and libjpeg 17:24:27 yes 17:24:38 wx is highly modified so that can' tbe changed 17:24:40 the wx code is not seperable 17:24:45 and not really wx 17:25:12 lightining, boehm gc, libffi are all modified somewhat 17:25:46 NEEDMOAR [~user@unaffiliated/needmoar] has joined #scheme 17:25:52 if you want to ask the people who know best, you should ask on the plt-scheme list 17:27:17 samth: probably, I'll do that. Thank you both, for replying 17:27:21 jonrafkind: ^ 17:27:36 ok 17:34:54 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:30 grr build breakage grr 17:37:44 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-126.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:03 scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-126.tor.primus.ca] has joined #scheme 17:38:43 fadein [fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org] has joined #scheme 17:40:39 dudleyf [~dudleyf@ip70-178-36-159.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #scheme 17:43:36 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:09 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-198.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:21 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-198.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 17:48:41 -!- saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:54:48 -!- gnomon [~ben@216.40.38.232] has left #scheme 17:54:56 chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has joined #scheme 17:56:21 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 17:59:41 -!- glogic_ [~rm@97.76.48.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:02:15 phao [~phao@189.107.164.197] has joined #scheme 18:07:00 glogic [~rm@97.76.48.98] has joined #scheme 18:07:33 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 18:08:45 -!- dudleyf [~dudleyf@ip70-178-36-159.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: dudleyf] 18:09:20 -!- gnomon_ is now known as gnomon 18:10:00 -!- \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:11:39 alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 18:20:53 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:21:37 http://i.imgur.com/DGBBO.jpg 18:21:47 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 18:23:36 fake 18:23:38 ohh well 18:23:52 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 18:24:14 Don't let debunkers kill your dream, kilimanjaro 18:24:22 dudleyf [~dudleyf@ip70-178-36-159.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #scheme 18:33:17 Unless, of course, it's a stupid dream. 18:33:24 \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has joined #scheme 18:38:33 Fabse [~mightyfid@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has joined #scheme 18:40:38 "Unlike browser-based ads, iAd ads can tap into all major OS features of the phone, from compass and accelerometer to the multitouch interface." 18:40:49 -!- dudleyf [~dudleyf@ip70-178-36-159.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: dudleyf] 18:42:20 "You seem to be jogging, how about some Nikes?" 18:43:22 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 18:43:54 seangrove [~user@64.134.19.192] has joined #scheme 18:44:10 *Daemmerung* twitches 18:44:27 "It looks like you're writing a letter!" 18:45:02 Actually I had a "Minority Report" flashforward. 18:45:57 Your phone rings, you pick it up and a mechanical voice says "you like nike shoes, right? There's a nike store around the corner here -- it's on your way home". 18:46:13 Of course the next generation after that it will shout it instead of calling. 18:48:51 "But with the iPhone’s app library, Apple can piece together a much fuller picture of a consumer’s interests and needs. And they can use browser based data from Safari. And they will have access to your entertainment choices through iTunes. And they’ll know whatever there is to know based on whatever the Tablet turns out to be. Not to mention that at some point in the not too distant future the mobile device wi 18:48:51 ll be used for payments, so Apple will also know what you buy." 18:49:01 *eli* throws up 18:49:04 Yes, to reach a larger audience. Eventually the goal is to get iPhones to talk to each other about what people in the immediate vicinity are being offered, just for that peer pressure factor. 18:49:33 Don't be the only one on your block without #. 18:49:46 That's why I use kid-tested, Mom-approved Ubik 18:50:06 (safe when used as directed) 18:52:49 samth: bug filed 18:53:21 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-27-205-235.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:56:05 Daemmerung, thanks 18:57:42 eli, yeah. It's almost comically offensive, really. 18:58:39 gnomon: That's nothing compared to the usual "that's great news" comments. 19:02:14 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-76-230-233-192.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:03:02 SinDoc [~d9884cb2@gateway/web/freenode/x-olcolezlnfhaskzf] has joined #scheme 19:09:27 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-74-68-121-85.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:09:44 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-132-189-83.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 19:20:22 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:25:58 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 19:27:02 -!- fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:27:47 fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has joined #scheme 19:33:27 -!- seangrove [~user@64.134.19.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:39:48 samth: how does one append additional information to an entry in bugs.plt-scheme.org? 19:40:13 -!- wolgo [~noige@69.59.130.52] has left #scheme 19:40:15 by email reply to the email you got 19:40:20 Thanks 19:44:44 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-76-230-233-192.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:55:55 sbcl's run-tests |& tee /tmp/foo seems stuck in :RUN-PROGRAM :INHERIT-STDIN 19:59:28 saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-77-78.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 20:02:32 rtra_ [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 20:04:05 dudleyf [~dudleyf@ip70-178-36-159.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #scheme 20:06:37 -!- rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:12:23 *Daemmerung* points, laughs 20:13:07 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:22:15 -!- dudleyf [~dudleyf@ip70-178-36-159.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Quit: dudleyf] 20:24:50 -!- ejs [~eugen@11-249-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:25:41 ejs [~eugen@11-249-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 20:29:59 -!- \net [not@2001:5c0:1400:b::6225] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:30:24 jcowan, Daemmerung, I didn't mean to link that image in here 20:30:39 it was meant for an offtopic channel 20:33:31 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 20:33:48 -!- metasyntax` [~taylor@75-149-208-121-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Be seeing you.] 20:34:00 -!- MononcQc [~ftrottier@207.253.180.96] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:34:55 If you ask me (which no one did), it's funny enough to justify it. 20:35:10 rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 20:38:43 -!- ejs [~eugen@11-249-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:38:44 jcowan, indeed, although I feel a bit guilty about not prefacing a link like that with "NSFW" in here, since this is one of the few decent channels on this whole network :) 20:41:37 Mmm, the channels I hang out in tend to be so, probably because they have people in them with something else on their minds. 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