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Who knows what motivates squids these days? 02:06:43 I'm telling you, those cephalopods are up to something. 02:07:28 and part of that something is catching other marine life. 02:07:47 -!- sah0s [~anto@92.251.214.39.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:10:37 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:24:12 if I define a function to accept a undefined number of args, is there anyway to give that function only one argument, which is a list containing the arguments? 02:24:35 for-example (call-list + (list 1 2 3 4)) 02:24:44 and that'd be as if I typed (+ 1 2 3 4) 02:26:25 rudybot: eval (apply + (list 1 2 3 4)) 02:26:33 haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 02:26:40 *offby1: error: with-limit: out of time 02:26:42 rudybot: eval (apply + (list 1 2 3 4)) 02:26:47 grrrrr 02:26:49 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 02:26:49 *offby1: ; Value: 10 02:28:14 rudybot: you cut it pretty close, there, bud. 02:28:14 *offby1: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 02:28:28 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 02:28:35 offby1: I mean, uh, sorry. 02:31:02 -!- haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has quit [Client Quit] 02:32:01 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.136.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38:50 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:48:09 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 02:49:27 arcfide [arcfide@99.75.49.114] has joined #scheme 02:49:43 Hot off the presses, get it fresh: gopher://gopher.sacrideo.us/1chezweb 02:50:04 Version 1.0 is out, with better weaving features now. 02:50:23 And I think I've worked out most of the kinks and bugs in the initial approach. I would appreciate anyone finding more. :-) 02:52:37 timj__ [~timj@e176202182.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:56:02 .oO("gopher"?) 02:56:25 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176215214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:56:33 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 02:56:43 How come (string-tokenize "foo bar baz" (string->char-set " ")) => '(" " " ") ? 02:56:54 I expected '("foo" "bar" "baz") 02:57:04 I think you want to complement the set. 02:57:12 Say "My, you're looking rather nice today". 02:57:15 Armageddon00: SRFI-13 string-tokenize uses the character set that it is passed to determine what characters are retained. 02:57:22 Oh christ. 02:57:48 (char-set-complement (char-set #\space)) is how I do it 02:58:31 Thank you so much guys. 03:00:19 rudybot: eval (string-tokenize "foo bar baz" (char-set-complement (string->char-set " "))) 03:00:19 *offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: string-tokenize in module: 'program 03:00:41 rudybot: eval (require srfi/13) 03:00:43 rudybot: eval (string-tokenize "foo bar baz" (char-set-complement (string->char-set " "))) 03:00:43 *offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: char-set-complement in module: 'program 03:00:46 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:00:56 rudybot: eval (require srfi/14) 03:00:57 rudybot: eval (string-tokenize "foo bar baz" (char-set-complement (string->char-set " "))) 03:00:58 *offby1: ; Value: ("foo" "bar" "baz") 03:01:01 yay 03:01:24 -!- Fabse [~mightyfid@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has quit [] 03:05:32 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@wsip-70-184-255-242.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 03:25:30 RazFox [~Raz@c-76-109-162-246.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:25:40 How do you iterate through a dictionary in ironscheme? 03:25:47 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 03:27:34 beats me 03:27:54 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:28:08 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:28:47 hrm 03:28:55 leppie, how do you iterate through a dictionary in ironscheme? 03:29:49 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 03:30:46 chandler: What's your average typeracer speed? 03:31:49 MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:38:28 Is there a dir() for scheme? 03:38:59 Or being to get documentation on a function from the commandline? 03:39:16 RazFox: For which Scheme? 03:39:30 chandler, ironscheme or pltscheme 03:39:44 in PLT scheme you can say "help" 03:39:47 rudybot: doc help 03:40:06 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:40:06 *sigh* 03:40:26 *offby1: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: scheme/help, scheme/init 03:40:50 rudybot: eval (require scheme/help) 03:40:52 rudybot: doc help 03:40:55 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/Interactive_Help.html#(form._((lib._scheme%2Fhelp..ss)._help)) 03:41:30 Thanks :) 03:42:41 Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 03:44:47 arcfide: My all-time average is 111.873 WPM, and my average speed over the last 10 races is 113 WPM. 03:45:33 arcfide: Believe it or not, my average speed on /universe/accuracy is 114.0 WPM, and over the last 10 races 118 WPM. 03:46:05 Interesting. Yeah, I've been hovering around 105 - 110. 03:46:17 I don't do the accuracy racing, though I guess I should. 03:46:54 -!- OneSadCookie is now known as OSC|away 03:48:08 *arcfide* mutters about 64-bit flash players. 03:48:51 -!- Mr_Awesome [~eric@c-98-212-139-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Hilarity ensues.] 03:50:54 *offby1* talks about mining 03:50:57 Mr_Awesome [~eric@c-98-212-139-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:51:10 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:55:17 -!- OSC|away is now known as OneSadCookie 04:10:46 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:16:27 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-186-123-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:18:44 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 04:19:18 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 04:19:49 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 04:21:17 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:22:30 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-186-123-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 04:30:59 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:32:37 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:37:52 I ALREADY LOVE SCHEME!! AND I'VE USED IT FOR A DAY!! 04:37:53 ate2muchuranium [~root@189.107.132.204] has joined #scheme 04:39:26 lmao 04:40:26 *offby1* backs away slowly 04:40:58 It's so orthogonal. 04:41:55 that's the idea! 04:42:28 Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 04:44:16 I still can't figure out how to read a dictionary from ironscheme :< 04:44:51 (open-input-file "/usr/share/dict/words") ? 04:46:45 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 04:47:35 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 04:47:47 -!- ate2muchuranium [~root@189.107.132.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:49:27 Mikaeel_Mohamed [Mohamdu@2002:8161:d05a::8161:d05a] has joined #scheme 04:49:29 -!- MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 04:56:52 ah 04:57:01 I thought by "dictionary" RazFox meant a hash table 04:57:08 or an alist, etc. 04:59:58 offby1: that's what I thought too :) (.NET has a generic hashtable called Dictionary ) 05:02:40 -!- xray7224 [~xray7224@unaffiliated/xray7224] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzzzz Leave a post at http://megworld.co.uk/forums and ill reply :)] 05:05:13 for scheme to be truly orthogonal it would have to use angle brackets 05:06:25 NO! THAT PUN WAS FAR TOO LAME! UNACCEPTABLE! 05:06:39 Not to mention that angle brackets do not consist of right angles. 05:06:47 Unless your font is really weird. 05:07:00 brackets have right angles. sort of. 05:07:06 [ ] 05:07:13 Yeah, true 05:07:54 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:29:46 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:35:00 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 05:43:29 japanese style quotes would work 05:44:27 I wrote a lisp parser once where , was ( and ` was ) 05:44:36 , meant "lower, increase depth" 05:44:42 ` meant "higher, decrease depth" 05:44:43 :) 05:46:28 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Klammer_%28Zeichen%29#Alle_Unicode-Klammern 05:46:31 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/y54mtxq 05:50:29 define f lambda x y + 1 x y 05:51:45 looks pretty 06:06:09 josephholsten [~josephhol@ip68-0-123-16.tu.ok.cox.net] has joined #scheme 06:06:18 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit 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recent text doesn't void the value of older texts 13:02:28 incubot: Shh, don't tell anyone, but I've heard that offby1 is older than scsh. 13:02:31 i was assuming the one on the site was older... 13:06:12 nowhereman [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 13:08:39 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 13:09:44 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:12:05 -!- towodo [~anonymous@209-6-213-168.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: towodo] 13:18:00 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 13:33:09 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@ip68-0-123-16.tu.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 13:55:20 towodo [~anonymous@209-6-213-168.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 13:56:33 perhaps in a decade i'll be able to to run it inside edwin48 http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/roderic/arbeit/scsh/ 13:59:56 alvatar 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I'm currently using scsh, but it has very poor debugging capabilities 15:12:41 haesbaert: If you're currently using scsh, you might be interested in Scheme48. 15:12:49 aspect: You should probably ask that in #emacs, no? 15:13:40 What Scheme implementation should I recommend to someone who wants to go through SICP? 15:14:23 chandler: Is there any "major" option ? I need an interpreter with some system facilities (stuff to manipulate files) and good debug 15:14:24 Any. 15:14:32 I'm considering gauche or gambit 15:14:37 Jafet: Was that to me? 15:14:49 Yes. Supplement with TSPL and rnrs 15:14:50 Quadrescence: I'd generally recommend PLT Scheme, unless you think that person wouldn't be fazed by Edwin. 15:15:05 fabe [~fabe@p54A7E397.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 15:15:45 haesbaert: Well, I always tend to recommend PLT Scheme. Gambit is well-liked by some here too. I like some of the systems-programming facilities of Gauche, but I've been using it less and less of late. 15:17:05 chandler: considering debugging, which would you choose ? 15:18:33 Not Gauche for sure; it's terrible at that. :-) 15:18:43 I don't have much experience with debugging in Gambit. 15:19:12 chandler: yes, but I'm in here and there are a lot of emacsers so I thought I might get a quick answer. 15:19:17 chandler: does PLT support the procedures used by SICP? 15:19:46 Quadrescence: Neal van Dyke has written a SICP language for PLT, IIRC. 15:19:54 chandler: why plt ? cause dr.scheme ? (I'm a heavy emacs user) 15:21:26 I assumed the SICP primitives were extended exercises 15:21:26 haesbaert: You don't need to use DrScheme to use PLT. I like it because it's a well-rounded implementation with an active user community and excellent documentation. 15:21:26 Quadrescence: http://www.neilvandyke.org/sicp-plt/ 15:21:26 chandler: that's enough for me, will try that. 15:22:29 chandler: I'm taking a look at the API, seems to be good enough. 15:26:10 ate2muchuranium [~root@189.107.132.204] has joined #scheme 15:28:12 haesbaert: Unfortunately the debugging solution for PLT outside of DrScheme is not especially good, so if you're having trouble, you may want to give DrScheme a try, or keep looking. 15:28:50 I found DrScheme's definitions/expressions separation annoying 15:34:26 annodomini [~lambda@pool-151-203-14-62.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:34:27 -!- annodomini [~lambda@pool-151-203-14-62.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:34:27 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 15:41:20 what's going on with wescheme? 15:44:11 MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 15:58:09 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-26-201-152.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:03 masm [~masm@bl10-244-139.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 16:05:14 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-43-82-249-170-125.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:09:27 scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-128.tor.primus.ca] has joined #scheme 16:15:33 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 16:19:23 NNshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-95-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 16:26:32 Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.141] has joined #scheme 16:35:29 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 16:44:05 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:31 -!- MononcQc [~mononcqc@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 16:53:50 MononcQc [~ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 17:01:23 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 17:10:09 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:20 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:12:28 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 17:14:05 -!- Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.141] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:27:53 nebogeo [~dave@cs78174123.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 17:33:14 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:40:38 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe] 18:05:54 -!- nebogeo [~dave@cs78174123.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:54 wow, wingo's blog is actually red oO 18:07:42 I've never seen the actual blog; I just read the RSS feed 18:11:35 seamus-android [~alistair@host86-178-140-209.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:15:31 I have never seen it before except in links 18:20:32 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:26 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@dsl-173-206-227-128.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:44:05 Nairod [~56499fa8@gateway/web/freenode/x-oqdurzpwxwfaagmh] has joined #scheme 18:44:11 hello 18:44:27 Hello. 18:45:38 I am new with scheme I am trying to define a syntax which has several results, I mean (define-syntax ... (define something1 .... (define something2 .... ) 18:45:46 I tried with begin 18:45:59 It works when I am loading my files with load 18:46:09 but when I put everything in a r6rs lib 18:46:15 and try to load I get an error 18:46:37 Nairod: you've already exceeded my knowledge on two different counts 18:47:11 offby1? 18:47:33 is my question stupid? 18:47:50 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 18:48:15 just the opposite 18:48:25 I am wondering if it is not a bug from my interpreter 18:48:30 I am using Ypsilon 18:48:32 I mean they're difficult questions, and I wish I could answer them 18:48:51 I can't answer that, either. But you could try your code in a different scheme, and see if it behaves differently. 18:49:00 and why would it work when loading a file and not when as a lib 18:49:12 I forget who develops Ypsilon but I have a hunch they'll respond quickly to email 18:49:27 I don't really understand define-syntax, nor do I understand the top leval 18:49:28 level 18:49:43 ok 18:49:48 thanks anyway 18:50:02 I am going to try in another interpreter to see if it workds 18:51:57 ah, it's the Japanese game designer, if I recall correctly; and the web site says he'll be busy until "Spring 2010". 18:53:24 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:41 yes 18:53:58 but there is nobody here who plays with define-syntax? 18:54:34 ok I will come later 18:54:40 -!- Nairod [~56499fa8@gateway/web/freenode/x-oqdurzpwxwfaagmh] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:59:15 Darn; I could have answered that one. 18:59:22 offby1: You don't really understand `define-syntax'?! 18:59:24 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-186-123-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:52 er ... no? 18:59:57 I use it very rarely 19:00:17 and when I do mess with syntax, there's like two or three different forms that I use, and I can never remember which is which. 19:01:03 I think these days I'm more likely to use define-syntax-rule, which is the dumbed-down version that PLT provides. It's enough for me 80% of the time 19:01:10 Well, I can't really argue with using it very rarely. Better to not use it if a procedure does the trick. 19:02:02 `define-syntax-rule' is just a trivial wrapper syntax for `define-syntax' and `syntax-rules'. I'm not sure I understand why it's necessary or helpful. 19:04:02 chandler: less typing? 19:04:13 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 19:04:32 I'm not sympathetic to that argument. 19:05:04 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 19:05:48 *rotty* neither, at least not in that case. 19:05:50 but it's the only argument I can imagine for this 19:06:08 less to remember, for me 19:06:17 that's pretty much the raison d'etre for all software 19:07:58 Then again, I don't tend to use the (define (foo ...) ...) shorthand either. 19:08:24 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 19:08:37 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-186-123-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:08:59 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:05 ^-. 19:12:08 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:02 s'true. Most function definitions I write look like (define foo (lambda ...)), except for the ones that look like (define foo (letrec (...) 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Try "rudybot: help". 22:14:36 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]] 22:18:29 elderK [~elderK@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 22:18:42 ugh... what dramas does one get to see on IRC these days... 22:20:23 madmuppet006 [~madmuppet@203-211-88-206.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #scheme 22:28:05 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-230-17.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:28:16 mejja: you done hurt ma feelins 22:31:30 -!- lelf [~nik@195.22.110.41] has quit [Quit: `,'sleep!] 22:38:20 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 22:39:23 hi I just started scheme and Im trying to write a program to return the two largest of three numbers .. I can write a program to show the largest number but Im not sure how to return two results 22:40:19 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 22:40:41 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad7bb5e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 22:40:57 madmuppet006: You could just return a list of the two highest numbers. Or you could use (values x y) to return both x and y as "multiple return values." 22:41:56 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_572 22:41:57 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yoye9g 22:42:38 If you're just getting started, a list is a simpler idea. 22:42:39 metasyntax:thanks for that ..:D 22:43:00 I was thinking of a list just not sure how to implement the idea 22:43:02 -!- Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-106.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:53 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:44:04 -!- positron_ [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has left #scheme 22:44:44 madmuppet006: Well if you've already got x and y as the two biggest, just (list x y) will do. Finding x and y is the hard(er) part! :-) 22:45:25 metasyntax:thanks again Ill try that now 22:47:59 yup that works fine .. thanks 22:54:43 madmuppet006: I think I know which problem you're solving, and the hint I'm about to give is probably not allowed for that problem. But anyway: I'd sort the list of numbers, and then return the first two elements. 22:57:06 offby1:Im self learning so no problem .. this is part of a problem in structure and interpretation of computer programs book 22:57:54 the next part is to square the two numbers .. 22:59:17 yep 22:59:21 I know the problem. 23:01:39 map :) 23:01:47 offby1: But can't you get linear time performance without doing the sort? 23:02:53 sorting is always at least O(n log n), so it is not exactly linear 23:03:38 comparison sorts 23:04:05 sorting three numbers with a O(nē) sort is still O(1)? 23:04:24 Leonidas: Indeed, which is why a fold seems more appropriate to me, though I would do it with a recursive multiple value function if I were doing it. 23:05:13 Andrej, that's like claiming that any actual computation runs in constant time. 23:05:39 arcfide: I'd use a fold as well 23:05:40 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A93DAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:08:27 offby1:I can sort and list the two largest numbers .. now I have to sum the squares 23:12:44 madmuppet006: use map & reduce 23:15:37 arcfide: I assume you know this particular problem -- there's only three numbers, so it doesn't matter _how_ you do it. 23:15:48 madmuppet006: ignore them :) 23:15:54 do it however you like 23:17:35 Leonidas: The reason I would avoid the fold is the excess use of memory. I believe avoiding the fold and using the multiple values would have a positive effect on memory usage. 23:18:22 offby1: yeah, I'm just generalizing to more than three. 23:18:38 madmuppet006: And yes, ignore me. 23:21:35 :p 23:25:00 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 23:27:16 *Leonidas* too 23:27:38 Ironically, though, it doesn't appear to be the case in my tests. :-) 23:32:25 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-230-17.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:35:18 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7E397.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:55 ate2muchuranium [~root@189.107.132.204] has joined #scheme 23:43:06 *offby1* is writing an "n-largest" function that is (hopefully) linear in time 23:46:19 -!- cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!] 23:54:11 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-230-17.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme