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Is that true, or is that some sort of fork? I noticed that there's no mention in the blog or anything else about it. 02:55:21 It's a huge secret! 02:55:53 Secret, of the April Fools kind, or a serious one? :-) 02:56:02 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-100.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 02:56:18 cky: there's a message on the ML, prior to April 1st. 02:56:27 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176205227.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:56:42 Axioplase_: Thanks, I'll have a Google of that. 02:56:43 That would be so deceitful 02:56:44 cky: If you pay me $500, I'll tell you the truth. Don't, and I'll shoot you in the kneecaps. Those are the only two choices that the PLT Racket offers. 02:57:02 *cky* tries to dig up $500 of Monopoly money.... 02:57:19 I thought that Racket was a pun missing a "b" 02:57:27 What is this? What do you think this is? Some kind of joke? 02:57:29 They're also renaming the debuggah 'Goombah'. 02:58:03 In Racket, no more parenthesis. Only bRackets. 02:58:36 *Daemmerung* takes out a scheme/contract on Axioplase_ for squealing 02:59:24 snitches get stitches 02:59:30 *chandler* brings in the enforcer 02:59:36 minion: kill Axioplase_, please 02:59:37 die, axioplase_ 02:59:38 Loose lips catch clips. 03:01:41 cky: Yes -- see that post on the mailing list (on plt-dev) -- it has the pointer to a page that explains it. 03:02:00 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:03:21 eli: Thanks. I've found that post and have read that post, and it's nice to hear from the horse's mouth that it's for real. :-) 03:03:24 *Axioplase_* falls on the ground 03:03:33 aaAAAAaAaAaArrrRggHh 03:03:33 *read that page 03:03:35 sundaymo1ning [~root@189.107.132.204] has joined #scheme 03:04:24 cky: Well, the web page should be authoritative enough -- it should show the right owner... 03:05:21 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:05:25 -!- sundaymorning [~root@189.107.171.219] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:05:28 Dat's a pity. He had him such a nice family, too. Well, time to collect-garbage. 03:05:46 eli: Not sure what you meant by "show the right owner"...plt-scheme.org and plt-racket.org have totally different IP addresses, and it's easy enough to rip a logo to use on a prank website. 03:06:46 *Daemmerung* hides Axioplase_s' carcass behind the "Typed Scheme" doc 03:07:07 Nobody will ever find it there. 03:08:18 cky: Well, I'm talking about the `whois'. But if you want to look at IP addresses, then you should do a reverse lookup for the name of the IP address (also see where pre.plt-scheme.org points to). 03:08:26 Daemmerung, are you German, or just your name? 03:09:25 eli: Fair enough. *nods* 03:09:48 Lajla: I'm the usual American ragoût. 03:10:03 aka "mutt" 03:10:29 Hybrid vigor, baby 03:10:31 *offby1* dimly recalls reading that more Americans can claim German ancestry than any other flavor 03:10:45 Daemmerung, ahh, so you didn't understand the German text I uttered when I first entered? 03:10:48 eli: Though, in fairness, just because the PTR says ccs.neu.edu may not necessarily mean much, if it's a prank from the Larceny team...I don't know if Northeastern has the same MIT traditions in that matter.... ;-) 03:10:49 They can, but will they? 03:10:49 "Are you german, or are you just happy to see me?" 03:10:51 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-100.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:11:08 cky: It's not a prank. What more do you want? 03:11:31 cky: No, that would be very unlikely. But yes, the bottom line is that it's not a joke. 03:11:39 cky: it's a "re-branding" 03:11:43 There's already some changes in svn. 03:12:10 chandler: Of course, I'm not doubting that now. I was mainly responding to eli's point about it being self-evident from the domain. 03:12:38 eli: Thank you for settling this definitively. :-) 03:12:43 offby1: *nods* 03:13:31 Lajla: If you didn't address me, I didn't see it 03:14:34 *Daemmerung* recalls 03:14:54 cpr420 [~cpr420@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 03:15:34 Was that a few months ago? If so, and that was you, you did not impress me positively. Understatement. 03:15:36 *Daemmerung* glowers 03:16:32 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:17:27 Daemmerung: ? 03:18:54 elly: it is good that I do not have +b 03:19:07 Daemmerung: What happened, if I may ask? 03:20:05 Daemmerung: also, I have read the typed scheme doc :P 03:20:40 elly: I gots to find a better place for da bodies 03:21:07 You can't win. minion knows where all the bodies are buried. 03:21:15 Daemmerung: Hide them inside incubot's mind...will got lost in the sea of words and quotes. :-D 03:21:16 minion: where are the bodies buried? 03:21:16 behind you! 03:21:17 elly: An abusive piece of doggerel, addressed to me 03:21:18 Daemmerung: are you channeling Patrick Bateman's secret Italian heritage or something :P 03:21:24 Daemmerung: Oh. Uncool. 03:21:44 Adamant: I am trying to get into the "Racket" mindspace, and honestly failing 03:22:28 It's been a while since I saw "Godfather" 03:22:56 I would call Racket's message passing interface "pong" 03:23:22 Daemmerung: leave the gun, take the cannoli 03:23:36 ...sleeps with the fishes 03:24:10 And my favorite: No Scheme implementor can refuse a feature request on his daughter's wedding day 03:29:08 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:31:10 Daemmerung: I'm not sure it's a good thing that you don't have +b. Honestly, it sounds like I've been missing things. 03:32:43 xwl [~user@123.115.122.41] has joined #scheme 03:34:07 Daemmerung: Is this the incident you're referring to at 05:24? http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/scheme/2010-01/scheme-2010.01.25.txt 03:34:37 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:04 chandler: Your chops are the choppiest. Indeed. 03:37:25 -!- OSC|away is now known as OneSadCookie 03:37:27 Lajla: Can you proffer an explanation, or should I set the trigger to "hair"? 03:38:26 I'm rather curious as to why he saw fit to remind me of the incident. I had forgotten about it. 03:39:11 Ugly thing to find on one's screen in the late night. 03:39:22 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 03:51:05 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:56 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:53:09 Colloguy [~flx@64.134.236.48] has joined #scheme 03:56:27 abusive? 03:56:31 Sorry, I was taking as hower. 03:56:38 Then it wasn't I. 03:56:51 I was basically greeting in German. 03:58:21 Lajla: Look at the log entry that chandler pasted, then cut-and-paste that into Google Translate. 03:58:34 Even a non-German speaker like me would have a hard time believing that's a greeting.... 03:58:51 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:59:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQYQTFudrqc 03:59:24 It's a paraphrasing of that 03:59:29 Also, the translation is off 04:02:38 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:02:54 I can't possibly see how it's a paraphrasing of "99 Red Balloons". 04:03:04 It's more like 'Do you have some time for me, then I will sing a song for you, about 99 mystical uses of flowers, with which I will make you sleep, and in your sleep I will go into your house, and take your children from it, and take them to my bathroom, and do them like Germans always do.' 04:03:14 Why, it fits the rhythm doesn't it? 04:03:38 It even starts with 'hast du etwas zeit für mich, denn singe ich ein lied fúr dich' 04:04:08 The word "paraphrase" does not mean what you think it means. 04:05:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphrase seems like your right. 04:05:28 Then I've been using paraphrase wrong for quite some time for 'making a reference to, but changing some words' 04:05:34 Like 'there are lies, damned lies, and false quotes; 04:06:16 -!- Colloguy [~flx@64.134.236.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06:25 -!- parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:42 -!- Checkie [5829@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 04:06:44 And I can't see for the life of me how that's a "greeting in German", nor why you would say that to someone without any particular frame of conversational reference for it. 04:07:02 In any event, consider the trigger set on "hair". 04:07:28 I have no idea what that means, but I found it a humorous parody of the song enough. 04:08:19 Humorous in the sense of racist, or just plain inflammatory? 04:08:50 Lajla: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hair-trigger 04:09:26 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:09:38 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:09:47 I suppose humorous in the sense of matching the original rhythm and partly the rhyming scheme of a popular song to derive a parody of a controversial nature, i.e.: 'What if god smoked canabis' from 'What if god was one of us?' 04:10:09 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:10:53 You might not want to persist in justifying your transgression. 04:11:04 You ask, I answer? 04:12:20 The question I asked was rhetorical. You'll note that neither of the two options I gave was favorable to you. In any event, please desist and keep a lid on it the next time you're tempted to be "humorous". 04:13:14 If you're talking about a thread, banning me here is going to hurt me less than it'll hurt your fingers typing the command so.. I'm just responding to your quaestion, I don't consider it a 'trangression', if you don't find it funny that's your own opinion but there are enough people that make money writing lyrics like that, morphing well establisehed songs to material of a controversial nature. 04:13:39 Lajla: Right, but I think chandler's point is, why say it to someone you don't know at all? 04:14:39 Well, then, it sounds like we've arrived at a solution that's amenable to both of us. 04:14:43 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o chandler 04:14:46 cky, well, German name I suppose, not really sure why or why not, it wasn't my intention to offend at the least. 04:15:19 -!- chandler has set mode +b *!*Lajla@213*.xs4all.nl 04:15:27 -!- Lajla [~n@opendarwin/developer/chandler] has been kicked from #scheme by chandler (Good-bye!) 04:15:31 -!- chandler has set mode -o chandler 04:16:41 chandler: Too bad for Lajla, really. A simple "oops" or "sorry" could have solved everything. *shrug* 04:18:06 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 04:18:24 I tried to push him to that point without putting words in his mouth, but he clearly didn't want to take the opportunity. 04:18:33 My limited discussions with him so far have bordered on the incomprehensible, so I'm not especially surprised. 04:18:53 chandler: Indeed. *nods* 04:20:05 Now, if only I could find a good reason to do the same for some of the other incomprehensible inhabitants of the channel, before they confuse any more newbies. 04:20:47 Hehehehehe. 04:21:59 chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has joined #scheme 04:22:56 I can't imagine a scenario in which a promise to kidnap and abuse somebody's children isn't abusive. Shallow of me, I suppose. 04:24:01 Particularly without warning, from a stranger. "Hi! Gonna rape yer kidz! Kthixbye!!1!" 04:24:32 And I'm rereading that strange defense of his, and... I stil don't understand. Oh, well. 04:25:05 I think it has something to do with recreational drugs that I'm not inclined to dabble with, but perhaps that's an unwarranted assumption. 04:25:15 At least I had a nostalgia thing as a result. 04:25:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXs93KbBCgY 04:26:08 I actually had that cassette at the time. 04:26:58 Even knowing what a cassette is makes me feel like a dinosaur. :-P 04:27:19 (No slight to eli or anyone else, just feeling my own age. :-( ) 04:27:52 You're all whippersnappers. 04:28:22 Awwww.... 04:28:51 cky: Oh, I'm not that old, and I had albums on cassette. Compact, not 8-track. 04:29:20 My Pontiac Firebird had a sweet 8-track.... 04:29:48 I thought it was the shit in 1980. 04:30:24 Just remembering how those things look like is ... ugh. 04:30:44 It was an artifact of its era. 'Nuff said. 04:31:04 same with vhs 04:32:02 Hey, at least he didn't say Fiero. 04:36:11 "I was basically greeting in German." FUCK YOU. damn it. Going to bed with a book now to re-forget this. Night, y'all. 04:36:27 Daemmerung: Good luck! 04:36:51 cky: tschuess 04:37:19 Daemmerung: Sorry for the discussion; I didn't mean to cause you any additional distress. 04:38:10 What chandler said. 04:42:23 Err, something happened that I do not understand. 04:43:02 Axioplase_: It's better that way. 04:43:27 Axioplase_: Let sleeping dogs lie. 04:44:09 After all, they might make a racket if you wake them up. 04:44:27 Actually, making a Racket would be a good thing right about now. 04:44:34 *chandler* reads a scroll of PLT. 04:45:51 ba-dum-tshh 04:46:44 copumpkin [~copumpkin@2002:421f:cb07:1234:21f:5bff:fe84:6284] has joined #scheme 04:47:41 theyre changing their name this summer? 04:47:58 Yes, no joke. 04:48:27 Would eli really swindle you? 04:50:18 no id heard about the name change, i didnt know when they were going to do it 04:55:40 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:59:29 -!- copumpkin 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(/usr/lib/libncurses.so: file too short) 12:02:55 Hah 12:03:13 the file is there 12:03:52 Quick and dirty, build a little C program and ldd it 12:04:00 -!- mreggen [~mreggen@mreggen.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:04:05 My ldd says my ncurses is in /lib 12:04:51 well... bash seems to be linked with /lib/libncursesw.so.5 12:05:02 so I guess this was a problem 12:05:05 That's the wide library 12:05:31 it worked 12:05:33 Won't mzscheme follow symlinks? My /usr/lib/libncurses is symlinked a few times to /lib 12:06:02 mreggen [~mreggen@mreggen.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 12:06:38 huh... I guess something is broken on my system 12:07:04 libncurses.so is not a symlink but a 22 byte file o_O 12:07:18 xwl_` [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 12:07:20 Does the 22 bytes look like a symlink? 12:07:58 yeah 12:08:43 Something messed up the inode then 12:09:28 -!- xwl_` [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has left #scheme 12:09:28 ok, thanks 12:10:42 Jafet, what does /usr/lib/libncurses.so links to on your system? 12:12:40 /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -> /usr/lib/libtermcap.so -> /usr/lib/libncurses.so -> /lib/libncurses.so.5 -> /lib/libncurses.so.5.7 12:12:51 Twisty little maze of symlinks 12:13:09 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:16:08 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A known mistake is better than an unknown truth.] 12:16:48 huh, thanks 12:17:19 Just link it to whatever the 22 bytes said 12:19:10 mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 12:46:03 fschwidom 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(system-type) 'windows) "pdcurses" "libncurses"))) 17:16:40 Daemmerung: I don't know what that pdcurses is, but I suspect that Windows users won't be thrilled about that... 17:16:47 actually I'm having a problem with ncurses 17:16:52 Actually, even OSX users... 17:16:52 (define addstr (get-ffi-obj "addstr" libcurses (_fun _string/locale -> _int))) 17:17:13 eli: pdcurses is the standard approach to ncurses-on-Windows 17:17:15 it clears the screen on initialization 17:17:29 would be nice if it didn't 17:18:18 Daemmerung: What I mean is that Windows users won't like an application that runs in a dos box. 17:18:43 waterlaz: Is there any reason for avoiding gui? 17:18:54 eli, yes =) 17:18:56 eli: roguelikes. 17:19:07 I'm writing sort of a shell 17:19:11 *eli* is not following 17:19:54 Is this a rogue game? 17:20:09 Yes. A category of game. 17:20:29 Traditionally using a /usr/ucb/vi sort of UI. 17:21:23 I know what it is... 17:21:52 It is a very niche market. But a market that doesn't object to tty-in-a-dosbox. 17:22:07 what I'm trying to do is to write something readline-like 17:22:32 -!- jay-mccarthy [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:33 with autocomplete 17:22:46 But even with that, having a gui window seems to me to work much better *unless* the intention is to run it through ssh or other such text interfaces. 17:22:51 Most always, when I see somebody wanting curses bindings, they're thinking of writing a roguelike. waterlaz is an exception to my experience. 17:22:55 jay-mccarthy [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:23:19 waterlaz: If you want a readline-like interface then ... why not use readline? 17:23:29 Daemmerung, I tried writing a rogue-like with ncurses ounce =) 17:24:09 *Daemmerung* saw a non-GPL-poisoned readline-alike recently 17:24:31 ...but cannot cite it properly now. 17:24:31 DerGuteMoritz: do you have a link? 17:24:33 Probably editline. 17:24:38 Daemmerung, that was editline, wasn't it? 17:24:41 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@user-0c2h0f1.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 17:24:42 Jinx, eli. 17:24:49 gnomon: I was going to say that 17:24:54 eli, I don't like it =) 17:25:03 *eli* collects his jinx points 17:25:06 *Daemmerung* is having a senior moment, pls excuse 17:25:29 I know that offby1 keeps a denture cache around here somewhere 17:25:36 *Daemmerung* looks behind rudybot 17:25:50 http://www.thrysoee.dk/editline/ ? 17:25:52 waterlaz: Can you be more specific? "don't like it" will need to come in some extreme form if you're going to re-implement the whole thing. 17:26:19 waterlaz: Also, I suspect that curses are not a good way to go if you want to implement some readline thing. 17:26:24 that's the thing, I'm not going to reimplement the whole thing 17:27:25 I dont see a way how readline can be easily extended with scheme 17:28:33 waterlaz: you need to call filter() before initscr() 17:28:48 Daemmerung, I tried, It didn't help 17:29:04 it's still clearing the entire screen? 17:29:08 yes 17:29:24 I even tried it in C to make sure it's not the ffi issue 17:29:25 what's the value of LINES? 17:30:29 aka (make-c-parameter "LINES" 17:30:38 libcurses _int) 17:31:12 waterlaz: Can you specify exactly what it is you need, and why readline is not fitting your need? 17:31:23 Daemmerung, it is 0 17:31:28 Colloguy [~flx@64.134.220.177] has joined #scheme 17:31:28 after I call filter 17:31:57 same as before 17:32:26 eli I need to be able to modify it in scheme 17:32:52 waterlaz: What do you need to modify? 17:33:35 for example every time I press I need to process the input with scheme code to find possible autocompletion 17:34:08 I don't remember the details, but extending the completions with readline is relatively easy. 17:34:09 and most of all, after reading some readline documantation I found it kind of painfull :/ 17:34:23 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:35:28 waterlaz: I think the chicken egg for readline does exactly that. 17:35:32 rudybot: doc set-completion-function! 17:35:33 eli: your scheme/base sandbox is ready 17:35:46 *eli* slaps rudybot 17:36:06 waterlaz: Look up that function -- it does just that. 17:36:44 http://docs.plt-scheme.org/readline/index.html#(def._((lib._readline/readline..ss)._set-completion-function!)) 17:37:58 one more before I vanish: FFI functions returning a char.... 17:38:31 (define _chtype (make-ctype _int char->integer integer->char)) 17:38:59 That should probably also convert -1 <--> eof. 17:39:05 (define wgetch (get-ffi-obj "wgetch" libcurses (_fun _win -> _chtype))) 17:39:11 DerGuteMoritz: now I see I asked you a question that should be to Daemmerung. Ironically, wrong tab completion. :-) 17:39:28 where (define _win (cpointer "CURSES WINDOW")) 17:39:40 -!- rudybot [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:46 eli: right you are 17:40:02 Daemmerung, thanks 17:40:13 though can curses return EOF? dunno 17:40:16 eli, thanks, I guess I'd better stick with readline 17:41:09 Daemmerung: I don't know either, but I won't be surprised if there's some error condition or something like that -- and using just _int means that you'll apply `integer->char' on a negative number. 17:41:57 waterlaz: That's why I asked what is it exactly that you need: 17:42:09 rudybot [~luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 17:42:23 that function sets a simple completion function -- if you need to complete different things are different positions, then you would need more code. 17:43:01 But IMO, doing that is still far easier than trying to force curses to be like readline, and of course easier than doing it from scratch. 17:44:57 eli: indeed, my crappy ncurses bindings don't handle ERR returns. I will correct that the enxt time that I need them. 17:46:09 eli, well the trouble is that there are certain features I'd like that are not implementable with readline I think 17:46:30 Such as? 17:46:36 for example zsh outputs autocompletion suggestions _after_ the prompt 17:46:53 I'd like those things 17:47:15 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@user-0c2h0f1.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 17:47:27 and I don't think this can be easily done the portable way 17:47:59 -!- Daemmerung [~goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Quit: Smoove out.] 17:48:36 The zsh reader is much more advanced than readline, IIRC. 17:49:21 Just use ncurses, like I'm sure you're doing, and do it manually :> 17:50:11 Doing the zsh thing will require a lot of code. 17:50:35 (So you need to *really* want that feature to invest on such code.) 17:53:37 rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 17:54:10 parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 17:55:21 looking at zsh an bash I can't find any usage of ncurses 17:55:24 *and 17:55:57 for example none of them use initscr at all 17:59:55 waterlaz: if you google for "libzle" you'll see that this was attempted once, and that getting it to work would be difficult. 18:01:38 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-31-14-190.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?] 18:02:13 too bad 18:03:07 If you really want zsh style readline, then it looks like using zsh is the best option (at least ATM). 18:05:59 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-236-231-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:06:08 waterlaz: Here's an idea -- use zsh with scheme running as a coprocess. 18:07:14 I'll think about 18:12:01 -!- luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:58 -!- Colloguy [~flx@64.134.220.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19:31 luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 18:24:36 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 18:31:34 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:18 -!- Khisanth is now known as left 18:39:29 -!- left is now known as Khisanth 18:41:36 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:49:39 phao [~phao@189.107.184.115] has joined #scheme 18:51:39 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@c-67-186-0-13.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:55:44 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.184.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:58:45 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 19:12:50 phao [~phao@189.107.169.139] has joined #scheme 19:14:57 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:18:18 rajeshsr [~rajeshsr@59.92.96.172] has joined #scheme 19:19:24 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 19:21:48 -!- luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:22:56 -!- chittoor [~rajesh@115.117.211.84] has quit [Quit: This client just died] 19:30:15 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.169.139] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:25 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]] 19:30:56 phao [~phao@189.107.169.139] has joined #scheme 19:32:00 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:32:44 alvatar [~alvatar@129.148.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 19:33:10 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:12 Fare: sorry about the delay, sent you the blurbs 19:37:27 got them. 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