00:00:20 teurastaja: I think that's where the Gambit Scheme folks are mostly based 00:00:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Turmion_K%C3%A4til%C3%B6t.jpeg kinky 00:00:25 File:Turmion Kätilöt.jpeg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Turmion_K%C3%A4til%C3%B6t.jpeg ) 00:01:15 uh.... yeah............ 00:03:21 incubot: They are a no brainer for a modern lisp, if you ask me, except for within certain influential social circles who are trapped in dysfunctional patterns of discourse - and whom I can only address from outside, and probably incomprehensibly to many of them. 00:03:22 havent seen that pic before but i have turned black metal anyway years ago 00:03:26 You have a choice of an illegibly terse and sparse manual or an incomprehensibly convoluted manual. Take your pick. 00:03:58 incubot: You would cry too, if it happened to you 00:04:01 (SLIME will show you the source code where the error happened.) 00:07:19 -!- rt7 [~rt7@Free.Arethusa-VPN.with.mirkforce.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:37 *Lajla* inserte le bastille dans le derrière de teurastaja. 00:07:48 quoi? 00:08:08 maintenant, le bastille est dans ton derrière! 00:08:36 je mm pas c quoi 1 bastille lol 00:08:40 ce n'est pas la vie sans un bastille dans le derrière. 00:08:40 *je c 00:08:56 euh... 00:09:03 bastille 00:09:10 This is an English language channel, FYI. 00:09:25 Very well, but it loses in the translation. 00:09:34 it also gains grammatical accuracy I reckon. 00:09:35 It loses everything to me. 00:10:10 what is a bastille? 00:10:30 chandler, oh come on, nothing like a basic knowledge of French to impress the ladies, and in case you're that way, it impresses males that are that way even more. In case you're a woman, you already know it so therefore I may concliude that you are not. Q.E.d. 00:10:46 teurastaja: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastille 00:10:57 *Daemmerung* borrows an eyebrow and raises it 00:11:01 teurastaja, surely you know what the bastille is? 00:11:35 bastion 00:11:40 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:11:42 bastille is a place 00:11:58 Lajla: That may be the case, but this is a channel for discussion of the Scheme programming language, and it is an English language channel at that. I'm struggling to understand what this conversation is about, but it doesn't seem to have much to do with Scheme as far as I can tell. 00:12:29 chandler, I plead guilty and submit to the order, yes, you are quite correct. 00:13:13 (define (bastille) please)) 00:13:32 teurastaja, the castle they put enemies of the royalty in prior to the French revolution. 00:13:39 Basically a giant prison. 00:13:46 The first to fall in the French revolution 00:13:56 Sorry; it's my job to nudge the wandering discussion back to the topic when it winds up in foreign lands (topically or otherwise). Feel free to carry on in private messages, though. 00:14:05 ok but im french canadian 00:14:33 chandler, then I swing it back on topic by pointing out that teurastaja has an extra closing bracket. 00:14:39 pastorn [~alexander@aoeu.csbnet.se] has joined #scheme 00:14:41 hello :) 00:14:50 *Lajla* wonders how scheme functioned before syntax highlightint. 00:14:54 I would like to see something like stumpwm written in Scheme. :-) 00:14:56 Lajla: It's elly's job to enforce that one. 00:15:01 is there a library or something that can be used together with DrScheme to write LOGO programs? 00:15:13 arcfide: have you played around with it, btw? i still haven't graduated from ratpoison 00:15:26 pastorn: There is graphics/turtles. 00:15:29 I am using it right now. 00:15:34 arcfide: also, http://scwm.sourceforge.net/ 00:15:39 lajla:cursor blinking 00:15:40 arcfide: how do you like it? 00:15:44 Yes, but that isn't a tiling window manager. 00:15:46 Daemmerung: is that included in tha standard distribution of DrScheme? 00:15:53 pastorn: Yes. 00:15:56 It's working quite well, actually. I am surprised. 00:16:02 pastorn: Yes, but keep in mind that this is just turtle graphics, not the Logo language. 00:16:09 arcfide: can you compare it to ratpoison? 00:16:19 klutometis: I've been rebinding some things around to me liking, and it's all pretty natural. 00:16:50 klutometis: It feels the same to me. :-) I haven't used ratpoison in a long time, though, so I can't comment more than that it seems to work well. 00:17:02 how do i import stuff? 00:17:06 Lajla: Oh, and I don't use syntax highlighting. 00:17:11 arcfide: oh, nice; so it still has a screen-like analogy. 00:17:19 (require graphics/turtles) 00:17:25 I'm not enforcing syntax highlighting, chandler 00:17:39 klutometis: Yes, I rebound the C-t default prefix key to Menu on my computer, and it is pretty good. That is the only customization I have made on it so far. 00:17:42 elly: You're the enforcer of mismatched closing parens, or so I thought. 00:17:42 Lajla: the more important question is scheme-before-paredit, i think 00:17:47 oh, yes 00:17:49 how do i browse packages? 00:17:50 but not syntax highlighting 00:17:51 nickgibbon [~nring@210.8.201.244] has joined #scheme 00:17:53 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #scheme 00:17:55 pastorn: You should review the Quick Introduction to PLT Scheme. Good overview of things like this. 00:18:06 I also don't use paredit. 00:18:20 arcfide: oh, that's right; you're vim, aren't you? 00:18:24 I think I'm the enforcer of syntax highlighting, by dint of lisppaste. 00:18:28 Daemmerung: help >>> help desk ? 00:18:30 klutometis: Vim is far too much for me. :-) 00:18:31 arcfide is *totally* vim. 00:18:39 ed? 00:18:48 My editors are Nvi, elvis, NEdit, Acme, and more recently, I'm playing with THE. 00:18:56 pastorn: that, or just plt-help at a cmdline prompt 00:19:09 arcfide: wow; plan 9? 00:19:12 Historically speaking, I would align myself with classical Vi, without all the extras. 00:19:26 klutometis: Yes, Acme was actually quite fun to use with Scheme. 00:19:27 klutometis: Acme is available for other operating systems, due to a port of the Inferno version. 00:19:40 *Daemmerung* just got "six," slaps forehead 00:19:43 klutometis: I actually used the Plan9port version, for UNIX. 00:19:48 Daemmerung: cool, thanks :) 00:20:07 is there a keyboard command to switch focus between the interpreter and the editor? 00:20:23 Right now, I figured that I had stayed around in Vi land long enough. I am venturing off into the land of XEDIT clones, and it's not an entirely unsatisfying endeavour. 00:20:52 "It depends". I don't think there's such a keybinding by default on Windows or Linux, but if you turn off the appropriate flag in Preferences, then many Emacs keybindings start to work in DrScheme, including C-x o for switching between the editor and the REPL. 00:21:02 C-x o should work out of the box on OS X. 00:22:03 Aha. It's Control-F6 by default. 00:22:15 CTRL+t only takes me from editor to prompt (through loading) 00:22:18 how do i get back? 00:23:06 Control-F6 will switch back and forth. 00:23:35 chandler: cool 00:23:42 chandler: LERN 2 Highlulz 00:23:49 Excuse me? 00:24:05 chandler: direct stuff at people by writing their names 00:24:11 otherwise they might not notice 00:24:13 :) 00:24:20 pastorn: hubris 00:24:23 I know how to do that. It gets old after a while. 00:24:33 You don't need to tell me to learn how to do anything, for what it's worth. 00:24:39 hehe 00:24:43 Never a handy fulminibus when you need one 00:25:47 arcfide: Is the version of Acme provided by p9port preferable to the one provided by acme-sac? 00:25:59 Daemmerung: to strike, jupiter-like, through the intarwebs? 00:26:37 And punish those whom the gods deem rancid. Yes. 00:27:59 Daemmerung: chandler wields the jovian +b, methinketh 00:28:27 And with admirable restraint. 00:28:28 I'm currently in the "speak softly" mode. 00:28:55 elly is packin' heat, too 00:29:23 chandler: when I was using Acme, I found the plan9port version to be more stable than the SAC version. 00:29:27 YMMV 00:29:30 chandler, how long have you been around in this channel? 00:29:45 I am secretly packing things 00:30:01 :S 00:30:03 kilimanjaro: Years and years. I don't know of any way to tell more precisely. 00:30:17 elly: did you ever make it to cambridge, btw? 00:30:24 chandler: You were an old timer before I even got here, were you not? 00:30:31 Yea, I think I started being active in here about 3-4 years ago and you were already somewhat of an 'elder' at that point 00:31:03 The best I can come up with from memory is at least six. 00:31:07 You know he's been on here a while since he has had time to hone his typing skills to such a level that they outstrip mine! 00:31:13 :-) 00:31:46 chandler: I'm going to have to have a rematch, by the way. :-) 00:32:01 I blame it on a new keyboard. :-P 00:32:02 arcfide: in spite of your droid-like keyboard-prosthesis? 00:32:03 Not tonight, alas. 00:32:07 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 00:32:08 klutometis: not yet - it's not graduation time yet :) 00:32:16 the semester ends in mid-may, and I do orientation on July 5 00:32:17 chandler: Oh no, not tonight. :-) Hehe. 00:32:44 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:32:48 elly: nice; weather should be perfect then 00:33:10 yeah :) 00:36:21 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #scheme 00:36:48 Speaking of weather, it was great weather outside today. 00:36:59 A little warmer than I would have preferred, but it was nice, nonetheless. 00:37:13 arcfide: which part of the country? 00:37:16 It was up in the 70s or so near Chicago. 00:37:47 chandler: Close enough. 00:37:56 klutometis: Midwest. We've been having some great weather. :-) 00:38:00 -!- untouchable [untouchabl@dhcp-129-64-166-29.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 00:38:33 Too windy for me. It was nice to have the sunroof open in the car without turning on the heat, though. 00:39:12 Ah, I really like the wind. I wish I had a kite here. 00:39:49 i've been on hiatus for a couple weeks, btw; but i never see riastradh when i am around. 00:39:55 did anything transpire? 00:40:15 I think he's endeavouring to be more productive, which means less time for IRC. 00:40:23 good for him, then. 00:40:30 Here in Southern Kentucky it just about qualified to be 'too warm' for the first time. 00:40:56 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:26 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:44:38 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable173.144-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:25 untouchable [untouchabl@dhcp-129-64-166-29.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #scheme 00:51:26 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:04 Colloguy [~flx@64.134.221.128] has joined #scheme 01:01:47 I just had maybe a good idea for one of you brilliant people. 01:02:10 What about a scheme application that takes a scheme program and turns it into common lisp code? 01:02:39 Such a thing would essentially be an implementation of Scheme in Common Lisp. If you want to do it, go for it. 01:11:43 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A903F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:13:40 `scmxlate' from Dorai Sitaram 01:25:24 why is this wrong? 01:25:25 (define (twice f x) (f (f x))) 01:26:01 It is? 01:26:01 -!- Colloguy [~flx@64.134.221.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:26:18 with "Beginning Student" set in DrScheme it is :( 01:26:26 function call: expected a defined name or a primitive operation name after an open parenthesis, but found a function argument name 01:26:27 -!- futilius [~otheruser@2001:470:d:128:216:3eff:fe86:c70e] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:26:51 Well, don't use "Beginning Student" then. 01:26:57 heh 01:27:24 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 01:28:26 heh... scheme seems to be much nicer than haskell :) 01:28:36 no AMAGAD TYPE ERROR! 01:28:45 with 40 lines of what you did wrong 01:29:18 Oh, use `#lang typed-scheme' for that. 01:29:21 Hehe, pastorn, you'll still get type errors, the compiler just won't point out your mistake when it accepts your code. 01:29:36 runtime errors instead? 01:29:57 pastorn: Or whatever. You might never know you have the error if you never walk that code path. 01:30:08 In which case, is it really an error? 01:30:13 haha 01:30:23 lazy error checking 01:30:25 i like it :) 01:30:46 but it still chekcs that i don't give values where i should give lists, right? 01:30:53 pastorn: Generally speaking, lazy error checking is a bad thing, even in Scheme. 01:31:04 pastorn: Only if the program checks that explicitly. 01:31:12 heh 01:31:28 oh, btw, a friend linked me to this: http://voodoo-slide.blogspot.com/2010/01/amplifying-c.html 01:31:33 You could, for example (if you are using R6RS) write programs of the form: (define (blah x) (assert (my-predicate? x)) ---). 01:32:01 judging by the comments there there are other implementations of similar stuff... 01:32:03 You probably don't need to bother with such things right now. 01:32:21 arcfide: ---? 01:32:24 pastorn: it's fairly trivial to write your own ASSERT. 01:32:55 pastorn: Worrying about the various nuances of Scheme programming style and error handling. 01:32:57 what's the question mark? bool chekcing? 01:33:17 A convention in Scheme is to have any procedure which returns strictly boolean values to have a ? at the end. 01:33:27 oh, that's nice 01:33:52 ! is used for procedures which return an unspecified value and are thus useful only for their side-effects, which they are expected to have. 01:34:03 futilius [~otheruser@2001:470:d:128:216:3eff:fe86:c70e] has joined #scheme 01:34:06 nice 01:36:58 kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:37:06 -!- Lemonator [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:40 -!- kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51:11 -!- davazp [~user@147.Red-88-6-205.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:23 kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:06:02 -!- kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:38 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-74-68-121-85.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:08:14 arcfide: "is it really an error?" is an interesting philosophical problem akin to, "if a tree falls in a forest, etc." 02:09:03 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:37 kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:10:07 klutometis: That analogy was my intention. 02:10:27 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!] 02:10:34 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 02:10:40 -!- kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:25 kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:15:56 -!- sundaymorning [~root@189.107.218.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:23 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:09 arcfide: well, i like your version better; even if i'm not quite sure about the mapping: error <-> sound; type <-> tree; compiler <-> forest? 02:38:03 klutometis: "If a typecheck fails and there is no runtime path/compiler to witness it, is it really an error?" 02:42:08 I hear you 02:56:04 the error is programming a never-used path of code 02:56:18 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176199201.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:57:14 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:59:10 *arcfide* sighs. 02:59:35 However, it is most certainly an error when you introduce a rarely traveled path of code or avoid going down a path of code at all when there should be a path leading into that code. 02:59:56 Which is what has caused my most recent bug. Stupid me, and that was, essentially, a bug introduced three versions or so ago. :-( 03:00:25 That's one thing that gets annoying: bugs that manifest only after you have well tested the code and it has worked for a while. 03:08:35 timj_ [~timj@e176213036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:16:43 iwikiwi [~unknown@208.110.86.181] has joined #scheme 03:17:33 pharon [~pharon@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 03:19:07 hi, I am completely new to scheme and functional programming. Can someone tell me why 'for-each' is recognized as an unbound variable here: http://pastie.org/898086 03:21:35 which scheme are you using? 03:24:32 .oO("ikiwiki") 03:24:42 from the error message, looks like Guile 03:25:20 I suspect that paste doesn't contain enough context 03:25:30 ... and what's with the line numbers? 03:25:31 yeah, it is Guile 03:25:40 umm its from VIM 03:26:22 it's well past the Guile d00d's bedtime. try here later. 03:26:43 .oO(Daemmerung is a Guile d00d?) 03:27:16 Sir! I demand satisfaction! 03:27:30 I can't get you no satisfaction 03:27:38 Dentures at 25 yards, sir! 03:27:39 You see, I'm on a losing streak 03:28:16 I'll be his second, naturalment 03:28:30 sure, i will lurk around then 03:28:41 *rudybot* checks his pockets for spare dentures 03:28:47 iwikiwi: look for "wingo" 03:29:02 I will officiate this duel. 03:29:53 ah, http://wingolog.org/ 03:30:07 Daemmerung: thanks, i will ping him when he comes online. 03:32:32 I haven't played with Guile in ages, but wingo gives me hope! 03:33:20 I haven't played with any Scheme, but wingo gives me hope too! 03:34:28 "You're like Jerry Lewis-- you give me hope to carry on-- but then you leave me in the lurch while you strap on your six-guns." 03:34:42 *offby1* stares blankly 03:35:08 wingo is all about hope 03:35:23 wingo is the thing with feathers 03:36:04 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-186-67-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 03:37:38 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-2-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:38:05 -!- kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:21 How wrong Emily Dickensen was! Hope is not the thing with feathers. The thing with feathers has turned out to be my nephew; I must take him to see a specialist in Zurich. 03:39:36 *offby1* now consults the intarwebs to see how closely he remembered that quote 03:45:09 "Why does a man kill? He kills for food. And not only for food: frequently, there must be a beverage." 03:45:51 or for fun, Daemmerung 03:46:16 I'm not afraid of death; I just don't want to be there when it happens 03:46:45 Takes me SO far back. "The Whore of MENSA." etc. 03:47:04 Those were old when I read 'em, and that was ages ago 03:47:11 ayup 03:47:49 -!- untouchable [untouchabl@dhcp-129-64-166-29.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 03:48:35 -!- rup [Rupert@deathcoil.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:00 rup [Rupert@deathcoil.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:22 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@129-97-249-183.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:06:21 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:12:18 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 04:19:46 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:20:00 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:24:06 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:26:53 phao [~phao@189.107.142.56] has joined #scheme 04:26:58 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Quit: time to build a new emacs] 04:29:46 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:57 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:36:30 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-14-210-94.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 04:36:41 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.209] has joined #scheme 04:45:48 Hi 04:45:53 Anyone awake still? 04:46:05 http://paste.lisp.org/display/97173 04:46:16 Can anyone tell me why, when I run that code, I get (Ace Two)0 04:46:26 \note the 0 on the end of (Ace Two) 04:46:32 What does that mean? 04:47:11 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:49 nvm 04:51:02 My stupidity in not including a newline after display :) 04:51:26 ok 04:51:58 *XTL* reluctantly gets up and starts his morning 04:57:01 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:57:20 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:57:52 incubot: "to poetize oneself into a girl is an art; to poetize oneself out of her is a masterstroke." 04:57:55 the plan9 virtual filesystem is a masterstroke and true to init's heritage 04:59:22 incubot: you're as literal as hamlet's gravedigger; i need some anti-seduction advice 04:59:24 it's really funny. The funniest scenes are the seduction scene, where Dominque tries to run away from Roark, but twists her ankle in her high heels, and ends up beating his breast with her fists as he holds her to him, until finally she succumbs to his manliness... 04:59:30 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:44 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 05:02:28 wtf? 05:06:44 eh? 05:07:00 huh? 05:07:19 incubot: when are you and succubot going to settle down in the 7th Circle of Hell and raise some grandchildren for your creator? 05:07:22 if your code is >=3 lines, stalin will still be compiling when your grandchildren move into the old folks' home 05:08:23 Adamant: hey, man; you're the first one to guess the etymology, i think! still fencing, btw? 05:08:41 I didn't start, sadly :P 05:08:57 unless you mean boxing, and not doing any of that right now :P 05:09:03 ah, maybe that was it 05:09:19 well, it is kind of tied into fencing in the distant past 05:09:27 jonrafkind [~jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:09:59 the other way around, wasn't it? the greeks had been boxing since the days of the pankration 05:10:05 teaching fencing, singlestick, and boxing was not uncommon for instructors 05:10:20 sort of; modern boxing is mostly an innovation of the British 05:10:21 touché 05:10:58 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:11:06 if you mean the boxing most folks are doing and not just fighting with the hands in general 05:11:13 -!- pharon [~pharon@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 05:11:30 Adamant: what's your opinion on things like UFC? 05:11:38 pharon [~pharon@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 05:12:53 klutometis: I was doing MMA stuff before I got interested in boxing 05:13:11 I think it's evolved a lot technique-wise 05:13:40 the culture around it isn't really the same anymore, although this kind of comes off like gamers whining about fratboys playing Halo 05:14:12 did you get interested in boxing because there's more structure than mma? 05:14:50 no, it kind of went martial artist -> MMA -> boxing 05:15:10 right now I'm just sitting on my butt not doing much :P 05:15:29 heh 05:15:40 activity-wise. 05:15:54 that may change if things work out, or it may not. 05:16:14 how is your fencing, if you're still doing it? 05:18:16 i started competing in crossfit, which satisfies my competition-lust; had an event last weekend, one the weekend before 05:18:47 they measure things like strength (cleans), speed (sprints), endurance (max pullups), etc. 05:18:56 sweet. 05:19:22 some of the fittest motherfuckers i've seen in my life show up at these things 05:19:28 crossfit is a decent workout program, as long as you don't get too competitive too early 05:19:33 oh yeah. 05:19:38 yeah; there's a potential for injury there 05:20:42 the downside of Crossfit is that it's very generalist fitness (GPP) - but for certain sports/professions/fields, that's not so bad. 05:21:07 and for the average person who just wants to get fit, it's no problem at all. 05:21:10 exactly; i try to back it up with some rugby to get my sport-specific fix 05:21:38 it seems to help with speed, explosiveness, etc. 05:22:38 yeah. 05:23:02 right now I'm just walking and waiting for some stuff to resolve. we'll see if it does. 05:23:07 bunch of mixed martial arts guys kill the jumprope/gymnastic stuff, for instance 05:23:18 Adamant: back injury? 05:23:24 just injury 05:23:55 jumprope is common for fight sports. 05:23:58 as a warmup. 05:24:50 yeah; strength-to-weight ratio seems to be high for those types, too 05:25:33 Crossfit promotes gymnastics pretty heavily for folks that don't already have a targeted sport. 05:26:51 strength to weight is mostly due to weightclassing 05:27:55 it's not limited to MMA'ers; Olympic lifters that aren't in the open category usually are pretty damned powerful but not huge/fat. 05:28:58 no shit? most of the power lifters i come across have a sizable lipid buffer 05:29:05 injuries suck, Adamant 05:29:20 rudybot: eval (length (get-buffer 'lipid)) 05:29:27 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 05:29:28 *offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: get-buffer in module: 'program 05:29:33 drat 05:29:46 offby1: heh; how's the weather in washington, btw? 05:29:58 moderate, but moderately sucky 05:30:05 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 05:30:10 i.e., cool, mostly cloudy, sometimes rainy ... *sigh* 05:30:11 klutometis: yeah, largely because powerlifting weight categories are much coarser and/or nonexistant 05:30:26 happily I was in Mexico a couple weeks ago so I got some sun 05:32:04 if you don't weightclass, then yeah, they will pile on fat because gaining muscle usually results in a side effect of fat gain. if you don't have to get rid of the fat due to sports demands, they won't bother, because even 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show what procedures call each other, in a big nice diagram 13:11:01 anyone? 13:11:43 like, get a big diagram where each procedure is a box, and dependencies are illustrated as lines 13:11:59 I'd ask you why you want such a thing, but my experience tells me it's futile 13:12:09 why futile? 13:12:21 it could be nice to get overview over code, for introducing a new developer, or alike 13:12:47 That's what your documentation is for. 13:13:48 yes, i know 13:14:20 what's your experience of code diagrams? 13:14:24 erato [~erato___@081-003-214-196.yesss.at] has joined #scheme 13:14:52 the documentation might schematize the entire software in certain ways though 13:15:03 it could be nice to see what the code actually does by having it visualized 13:15:17 for getting a quick-and-dirty understanding of it 13:15:26 Apart from Knuth's flowcharts or "high-level overview" diagrams in library documentation, I've never seen any 13:15:36 ok 13:16:14 -!- OneSadCookie is now known as OSC|away 13:20:15 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18:08:53 ros3 [~roselynro@208.66.28.143] has joined #scheme 18:10:20 -!- ThF [~ThF@AAnnecy-158-1-103-203.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:46 Isn't it IronScheme? 18:10:56 ThF [~ThF@AAnnecy-158-1-103-203.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 18:11:19 Except that it's not microsoft's and maybe not visual. :-) 18:11:55 Scheme.net, ahaha 18:12:03 I read about Brainfuck.NET yesterday. 18:12:16 -!- rup [Rupert@deathcoil.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:12:32 rup [Rupert@deathcoil.net] has joined #scheme 18:12:41 No april fool, someone made a CLI implementation of brainfuck to waste time like it's paper made from trees that produce oxygen essential to the functioning of the oecosystem of this planet. 18:13:41 *mario-goulart* wonders what Visual Whitespace (http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/) would look like. 18:13:48 try ,language brainfuck at your nearest guile prompt 18:14:06 unbound variable, wingo :( 18:14:06 mario-goulart: Like the "underwater" screen of Wordperfect, perhaps ;) 18:14:37 -EELLYNEEDSGUILE199 :) 18:16:37 I should dig up my old Whitespace compiler. 18:16:48 Actually, I should implement `#lang whitespace'. 18:16:52 hehe 18:18:08 Or a whitespace backend to some compiler 18:18:43 simply a new tokenizer on guile's 18:19:03 Ahaha, whitespace.NET 18:19:33 Or just .NET 18:20:00 Ahaha 18:20:06 \t.NET of course. 18:20:26 Or 18:20:27 .net 18:20:41 Ehhr, I mean 18:20:44 .NET of course 18:21:20 Lajla: Please try packing more characters into each message. I recognize that there's a line limit, but you're far from it. Don't be afraid to get closer! 18:21:45 chandler, I feel so misunderdood right now. 18:21:57 I was obviously using \n.NET 18:22:12 Oh. 18:22:19 *Lajla* proceeds to venture into myspace, I heard people understand each other there. 18:22:42 Not as well as they understand the valid placement of the style element in the w3c standards though. 18:23:42 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-32-82-254-25-32.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:25:20 -!- saccade [~saccade@MEDICAL-THIRTEEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:26:48 *Daemmerung* campaigns for universal adoption of SRFI 49 18:27:13 Daemmerung: D: 18:27:27 Daemmerung: that would be a very good one. 18:27:45 Somebody should have submited a proposal to WG1. 18:27:52 It makes Scheme even more gemlike than before. 18:28:13 (at the risk of getting it accepted as a good idea). 18:28:13 Or gemmish. 18:28:18 minion: chant 18:28:18 MORE GEMLIKE 18:28:27 See?? 18:28:35 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 18:29:10 -!- Colloguy [~flx@adsl-99-27-131-103.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:25 schmir [~schmir@p54A927EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:29:50 minion is my favorite bot 18:30:26 hi 18:30:29 Who made minion? 18:30:30 why is this so slow? 18:30:32 (modulo (inexact->exact (round (* 255 value))) 255)) 18:30:54 -!- ThF [~ThF@AAnnecy-158-1-103-203.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ThF] 18:30:59 mario-goulart: I think it's chandler's baby. Written in 100% Common Lisp, an interloper here. 18:31:08 should I make this with a C function and FFI it? 18:31:08 minion: who are your parents? 18:31:13 me 18:31:24 That's recursion! 18:31:29 Whoa. Likwe, Vedic. 18:34:19 mario-goulart: I wrote minion, yes. As Daemmerung points out, he doesn't really belong here, but he's lisppaste's best friend and one wouldn't want lisppaste to be without the company. 18:34:29 alvatar: for what values of "value" is that "slow"? 18:34:58 Very nice, chandler. 18:35:32 What happened to sarahbot, BTW? 18:35:33 You think so, but alas. minion a gigantic kludge. 18:35:49 sorbet has been gone these past few years, along with her author. 18:36:32 sarah was hosted by SISC's author. She went to the happy botting grounds in the sky when he, um, lost interest (warning! editorializing!). 18:36:53 Or, what chandler said. 18:37:09 I'm not sure what the warning is for; it seems like a fair characterization to me. 18:37:27 politicians have to be circumspect, normal people don't 18:37:40 I'm trying to be Nice for Avril Fool's Day 18:37:55 chandler, re #lang whitespace: http://svn.plt-scheme.org/plt/trunk/collects/framework/private/decode.ss and http://svn.plt-scheme.org/plt/trunk/collects/framework/private/bday.ss 18:38:58 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A927EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:39:04 neat! 18:39:06 samth: Very nice! 18:39:35 it's all eli's fault 18:40:21 a likely suspect 18:45:38 rudybot: what about you? 18:45:38 mario-goulart: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 18:46:05 rudybot: source 18:46:05 Daemmerung: git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git 18:46:13 -!- untouchable [untouchabl@dhcp-129-64-166-29.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 18:46:15 rudybot is not that social. 18:48:26 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-24-82-64-166-6.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:48:43 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@82-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:49:26 How is the weather in Atlanta? 18:50:24 Oh look! sorbet is back, and her name-matching algorithm is even worse. Now she responds to `sjamaan'. 18:51:09 :) 18:52:35 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@91.35.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55:11 I'm trying to use the allegro bindings for plt scheme, but I can't figure out what the inherit field "phase" is. I couldn't find anything like it in allegro's documentation either. 18:56:56 sundaymorning, the allergo planet package? 18:57:15 yes 18:57:33 phase is the ordering of drawing 18:57:38 lower phase gets drawn first, I think 18:58:05 hm, I see, I think that's right 19:08:57 -!- foof [~user@i220-220-122-111.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:11:35 Daemmerung: value is expected to be between 0.0 and 1.0, but module takes care of something bigger 19:15:38 jao [~jao@136.Red-88-6-173.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:16:46 choas [~lars@p5B0DC02D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:18:01 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:18:27 Shouldn't be particularly slow. Eliminate the `modulo' if you can-- that' 19:18:45 s division. Compile the expression without generic arithmetic. 19:20:58 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-111-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:21:09 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:26 yes... I'm trying that and with FFI 19:26:57 but I wouldn't expect this to take so long in a 400x400 matrix (done once per pixel) 19:27:05 6 secs. 19:27:17 and if I remove it doesn't take even 0.5 secs. 19:29:02 FFI and compiled from Scheme are the same. That's good, so is no bug, just my lack of skills 19:29:53 It's a lot of flonum math, 160000 calls. What platform? 19:30:12 x86, older computer than my grandma 19:30:20 but still I need this to work 19:30:27 linux 19:30:36 First rule of demo scene: fixed point, not floating-point 19:30:58 hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC5AB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:31:14 yes... 19:31:59 I assume the 0,1 range is a RGB intensity. Can you precalculate that somehow? Get it out of the loop. Or stop expressing intensity in 0,1 range - use another representation. 19:32:12 cairo likes things as floating point 0-1 range 19:32:19 yes you guessed right :) 19:32:28 Convert it when you're done. Don't do the math in floating point. 19:33:03 Do you really need more than 8 bits of information per channel? If not, represent intensities as an integer between 0 and 255. 19:33:20 actually, that's what I'm doing. This is just the only transformation 19:33:27 once it is done, everything works well 19:33:41 but I think I might be able to do it better 19:34:30 (I'm using a char* block, a u8vector in Gambit) 19:35:20 and tried with both list operations converted to vector afterwards, in functional style, and everything in vectors, the procedural approach (for's and the like) 19:35:45 at first I thought that was the problem, and certainly it improved with the procedural approach, but the bottleneck is this RGB transformation 19:35:49 hell 19:35:59 well, I'm going to keep trying 19:36:04 thanks, guys :) 19:40:21 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-186-67-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:40:39 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:45:40 okay, making everything in integer arithmetic drops to half the time 19:46:36 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-137.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:47:35 Can you use Gambit's fixnum-specific procedures? Or is the compiler already using them on your behalf? Safe to assume that 0,255 will fit in a fixnum.... 19:47:52 don't know that 19:47:54 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 19:47:58 I'll have to investigate 19:50:21 0.5 segs faster with fx* functions 19:50:39 brb 20:01:52 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@208.66.28.143] has quit [Quit: ros3] 20:02:15 look at what i made in drscheme! http://i.imgur.com/4pzLQ.png 20:04:12 *leppie* is dizzy ;p 20:04:56 leppie: it's like "brown noise", but four your eyes 20:05:06 also 20:05:12 i didn't make that 20:05:18 so april fool or whatever 20:05:20 :) 20:06:29 painful :P 20:06:49 though i just showed my girlfriend DrScheme 20:07:06 cause she loves working on pixel art stuff, so the slideshow-package is nice 20:07:25 i think i'll help her get as far as generating that picture 20:07:26 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:07:38 it hurts 20:07:38 I was just going to suggest that, as a penance. 20:07:46 *mario-goulart* got blind 20:08:16 Daemmerung: shouldn't be too hard... you just need to do a list recursion, each row offset by one pixel 20:08:34 *pastorn* is the trolling master 20:08:35 Show us how it's done! 20:10:25 Daemmerung: i kinda suck at scheme... haskell on the other hand, i know 20:10:53 You are in #scheme. You must rise to the challenge. Then, you will suck less. 20:11:14 i'll do it together with her, later 20:11:17 over MSN 20:11:33 heh, i convinced her to turn off the smily thingy on msn 20:11:42 Small steps, but important ones. 20:11:55 (lambda (x) ...) turned into (lambda *somesmiley* ...) 20:12:09 (n) --> *thumbsdownpicture* 20:12:10 heh 20:14:45 when she does pixel art stuff she draws in lined notebooks or uses excel 20:14:49 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.18.80.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:06 DrScheme <<< spreadsheet program 20:18:54 schmir [~schmir@p54A927EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:20:07 -!- chittoor [~rajesh@115.117.208.255] has quit [Quit: This client just died] 20:21:33 Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-106.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 20:26:01 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 20:29:30 sphex_ [~nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:29:47 -!- sphex [~nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has 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