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You MUST believe the error message. 00:12:25 huh? 00:13:58 minion: chant 00:13:58 MORE RESPONSIVE 00:13:58 I don't get it. I was screwing around with emacs and now I have foreboding messages in #scheme. 00:14:34 minion: chant 00:14:34 MORE RESPONSIVE 00:14:38 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-25-82-254-161-8.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 00:14:49 -!- sad0ur [~sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:14:50 minion: advive for yourmom 00:14:51 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``advive''. 00:15:03 minion: advice for YourMom 00:15:03 YourMom: #11952: In my experience that is a bad strategy, because the people who ask such questions are the ones who paste the answer into their program without understanding it and then complain that it `does not work'. 00:18:28 minion is extremely informative 00:19:57 Does anyone feel like passing on some emacs knowledge? 00:20:20 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.31.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:32 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 00:24:52 minion: chant 00:24:52 MORE OFTEN 00:24:55 yay! 00:28:33 pinchyfingers: I can say "I dunno" as well as anybody 00:29:15 I can also quote from Maurice Sendak's "Pierre," where appropriate. 00:30:03 *elly* likes minion 00:37:42 -!- ebanders [~ebanders@c-66-41-121-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:37:58 Yayayay, TinyScheme is under the BSD license :D 00:39:35 *Sgeo* hopes TinyScheme doesn't rely too much on erm, stuff 00:39:39 minion: advice for Sgeo 00:39:39 Sgeo: #11932: Holy cow. 00:39:49 ? 00:41:23 ebanders [~ebanders@c-66-41-121-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:41:26 Hm. TinyScheme defines a "promise" type separate from procs 00:41:32 I don't feel like doing that 00:42:20 -!- ebanders [~ebanders@c-66-41-121-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:58 Actually, wait. If I force a promise twice, it should only be run once, right? 00:44:11 So I can't just have delay wrap up its argument in a lambda 00:50:23 -!- fabe [~fabe@p54A7EBF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:25 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:18 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:43 -!- ramenboy [~user@207.225.165.201] has quit [Quit: oh.] 01:12:29 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:18:07 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:20:05 saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-68-179.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 01:23:24 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-200.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:24:14 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:27:19 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 01:28:39 Why doesn't Notepad++ indent Scheme properly? 01:29:36 because someone did it wrong, I guess? 01:29:49 Also, Lisp programmers generally read the indentation, not the parentheses, right? What happens if someone sneaks something malicious into some open-source code by having the indentation and the parens not match? 01:30:30 what? oO 01:30:38 *elly* reads parens, using paredit 01:31:44 I mean, if a Lisp programmer is looking at a glance 01:32:18 Maybe I'm not reading Lisp properly 01:32:56 hrm 01:32:59 I'm actually not sure 01:33:05 it is trivial to reindent sexps, of course 01:34:19 Nothing particular Lispy about misformatted code. Layout matters in most textual languages. 01:35:45 Sgeo: I'm quite used to spotting code which is misformatted due to a botched edit. When in doubt, it's very easy to ask Emacs to reindent the entire expression. 01:42:49 I guess I should start using Emacs 01:43:07 The fun thing is that, a while ago, I was obsessed with the thought of using Emacs for everything 01:45:01 emacs! 01:45:20 Edwin! 01:45:27 I use it to remove bloodstains from my clown suit. 01:45:42 Daemmerung: you are a cool guy 01:46:00 That's what all the preschoolers say 01:46:14 you are no longer a cool guy. 01:46:34 And that's what they say soon afterwards. 01:46:56 But I already have all their candy by then, la la la 01:47:12 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 01:57:09 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-68-179.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:59:38 foof [~user@FL1-118-110-11-244.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 02:04:23 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:48 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@net-93-144-3-215.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:07:04 *Sgeo* decides that studying a Scheme program compiled to C might be more helpful 02:21:21 ... Helpful for *what*? 02:21:47 sanity damage! 02:21:59 elderK [~Duke@125-236-161-142.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 02:22:02 Anyone here using PLT? 02:22:20 Was wondering if someone could test the cosine of 90 degrees (converted to radians of course). 02:22:21 incubot, do you use PLT? 02:22:29 PLT's giving me 6.123233995736766e-017 02:22:38 floating point error 02:23:07 I hate radians... 02:23:15 It should be zero or 1.923132169163975144209858417624e-17 02:23:15 (/ pi 2) doesn't have infinite precision 02:23:49 jonrafkind [~jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:24:01 it should! 02:24:18 *sighs* 02:24:24 I wish it'd throw an exception then 02:24:26 or something... 02:24:49 also, (inexact->exact 12.34) 02:24:52 I think your expectations have been formed poorly. 02:24:59 perhaps. 02:25:05 what sort of exception should be thrown? 02:25:06 most probably. 02:25:13 how do I handle this? 02:25:17 is probably the better question :) 02:25:46 if you use (/ 22 7) it works! 02:26:07 ok, maybe not ;) 02:26:10 :P 02:26:43 if it makes you feel any better, (sin pi) is even further off than (cos (/ pi 2)) 02:27:08 chandler, making my own compiler to LSL 02:27:39 :/ how do I handle it 02:27:42 Sgeo: Are you intending to provide unlimited-extent multi-shot continuations? 02:27:58 elderK: Change your expectations. 02:28:01 I'd prefer to do that 02:28:15 Meaning what, chandler? What part of my expectations are wrong? 02:28:19 I was expecting zero. 02:28:25 But if it's not simple to do while retaining my sanity.. 02:28:35 sanity? :P who needs it 02:28:43 Why were you expecting zero? 02:28:45 As long as I can still use call/cc to convert an asynchronous operation to a blocking one 02:29:18 Converting events to callback-based stuff should be doable without call/cc, I think 02:30:08 Well, you can do that with single-shot continuations or coroutines. 02:30:11 well, on my calculator which can do cos on degrees, cos (90d) = 0 02:30:25 which on graphing paper, is also true. 02:30:34 What kind of calculator? Mine will do that as a symbolic operation. 02:30:35 well, no, lies. 02:30:41 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:46 I doubt it's true on graphing paper, but that's a matter of religion. 02:30:47 cos (90d) * 1 = 0, on calculator 02:31:05 Casio scientific one. 02:31:06 I personally don't believe in indescribable numbers, but to each their own. 02:31:16 chandler, the callback->blocking, or event->callback? 02:31:39 Sgeo: The callback->blocking transformation, if I understand what you're describing correctly. 02:32:15 okay, you're right - 90* is pointing straight up, if 0 degrees points straight to the left. 02:32:28 elderK: That version of cosine accepts a parameter in degrees, and 90 can be represented exactly. 02:32:55 I think to do it, I might have to provide an (lsl-exit), which would essentially quit and wait for the next event to occur 02:33:26 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:34 http://docs.plt-scheme.org/htdp-langs/beginner-prim-ops.html#%28def._%28%28lib._lang/htdp-beginner..ss%29._cos%29%29 ? 02:33:35 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yf9e4bt 02:34:06 So then I'd do (call/cc (lambda (cont) (some-event-stuff (lambda (eventdata) (cont))) (lsl-exit))) 02:34:28 Hm, that doesn't really cause the call/cc to return with the data though 02:34:45 so, by the (radians) it means only the result, not it's input. 02:35:02 specbot: r5rs cos 02:35:03 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_320 02:35:04 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yhamgd4 02:36:07 elderK: Generally, when programmers talk about trigonometric functions, they assume that the input is in radians, not degrees. 02:36:28 *Sgeo* looks for s-expression parsers for Python 02:36:38 elderK: The problem you're encountering here is that pi does not have an exact representation, so you are working with approximations. 02:37:05 aye, (inexact? (* 90.0 (/ pi 180.0))) => #t 02:38:19 I don't have to include complex numbers, right? 02:38:56 aye, I assumed input was in radians... 02:39:07 Sgeo: Is your goal to be useful or compliant? I would suggest, given the domain, that if you don't have a use for complex numbers you should not bother to include them. 02:39:30 radians are cooler. 02:39:34 It would probably make sense to have all numbers be a valid lsl-type 02:39:59 Which means no complex numbers, no exact numbers that won't fit in an integer, etc. 02:40:20 although parsing scheme's full numeric syntax is kinda interesting (and fun) ;) 02:40:31 Although if I did have exact numbers that didn't fit in an integer, that would be just one more thing to try to incentivize people to switch from LSL to LSL-Scheme 02:40:31 :/ 02:40:49 chandler: so it's all simply because it cannot represent the number. 02:41:07 I guess garbage in, garbage out. 02:41:16 I ask it a stupid question... get a stupid answer 02:41:24 ie: cos (/ 2 pi) 02:41:32 You've asked an approximate question, and recieved an approximate answer. 02:41:42 which is totally incorrect! 02:41:45 it's not even close to correct! 02:41:56 2/pi? 02:41:59 What's that supposed to be? 02:42:07 It's (presumably) the correct answer to the question you've asked it. 02:42:12 1.5707963267948966 02:42:21 I think he means pi/2, not 2/pi. 02:42:22 I know pi/2 is 90deg 02:42:30 yeah, I did... 02:42:41 my bad. 02:43:00 Personally, I'd dispute whether the question you asked it has any meaning in the first place. 02:43:11 whyfore? 02:43:50 An approximation to a real-valued function is about as useful to me as approximate theology. 02:44:22 good point. 02:44:36 so I work around it. 02:44:45 Ah well... 02:44:58 What are you trying to do? 02:45:09 :) Least I learned the valuable lesson of not actually expecting the machine to give me answers I expect. 02:45:15 that's actually a really stupid thing to do. 02:45:28 I don't do it when it comes to managing memory in other langauges or anything else, so why should I do it with fp... 02:45:29 that's what an epsilon value is for 02:46:54 elderK: Have you read "What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic" yet? 02:47:20 no, but I will now. 02:47:25 Thanks for the help. 02:47:37 Sorry if I came across a little rabid - It's been a really long day, I didn't mean to like, take it out on any of oyu. 02:47:45 I don't think you have. 02:48:05 I sure hope not. I hate people that take out their frustration on others, and I hate hypocrits too :P 02:48:11 so, I'd be guilty of both if I did. 02:48:13 heh. 02:48:13 :) 02:49:16 I do have a question though, regarding why C returns zero for (cos (/ pi 2)). 02:49:27 but then, I should just read that part of the standard again, it'll tell me. 02:49:31 or point me to somewhere that will. 02:49:31 :) 02:49:58 like you said, asking meaningless questions. Like I said, garbage in, garbage out. 02:50:06 *elderK* slinks away for a coffee of pondering +12 02:51:32 It returns that when using double-precision floats? 02:52:28 The answer may also have to do with the quality of your C library's floating point printing routine. 02:53:45 *elderK* brings in coffee, bagels and candy for everyone else, incase they're hungry. 02:53:47 caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:53:51 and aye, that's true. 02:54:02 and it does return 0 with double precision floats, indeed. 02:54:25 In other words, the result is == 0.0? 02:54:29 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:54:33 yup. 02:55:57 :) Anyone here ever play Elite? 02:58:21 elderK: Can you share your test program? 02:59:12 I was just trying to calculate the X/Y coordinates of points around a circle. 02:59:21 Sorry, I mean your C test program. 02:59:24 in 45 degree steps. 03:00:18 cos ((double)M_PI / 2) is basically all I did. 03:00:22 just to see if C gave me zero or not. 03:00:35 for printf, I used %e, which could perhaps be the reason. 03:00:36 And that's == 0.0? 03:00:47 on my machine, yes. 03:00:54 bytecolor pasted "cos 90d" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96275 03:01:05 In other words, the value of (cos((double)M_PI / 2) == 0.0) is nonzero? 03:01:29 (I'm guessing you didn't actually do that.) 03:01:42 Beware floating point comparisons. 03:01:51 I didnt do the ==, no. 03:01:59 and hey, jcowan 03:02:18 Beware floating point I/O, too. 03:02:19 -!- foof [~user@FL1-118-110-11-244.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:02:41 jcowan is a better approximate theologian than I; you should listen to him. 03:02:53 I am, listening to you all. 03:02:58 generally I listen to you all. 03:03:24 As I said, I've no use for the stuff. I've not yet seen any convincing evidence that such a thing as "a circle" exists, or has any meaning in the first place. 03:03:29 "approximate theologian"? 03:03:52 *jcowan* hangs chandler using an ellipsoidal rope loop 03:04:11 aw. 03:04:15 *elderK* unties chandler 03:04:22 :P her, 03:04:27 use this for violence :D 03:04:33 *elderK* brings out an old beat-up furby 03:04:33 :P 03:04:44 jcowan is a theologian? 03:04:51 Approximatey. 03:04:57 hot! 03:04:57 dyslexics untie! 03:12:12 I have comitted a sin, I started another book before finishing the first. 03:12:23 *elly* does that sometimes 03:14:44 I do it ummm more than I should. Maybe I should get a subscription to Ritalin. ;) 03:15:00 hrm, there is probably a book on it! 03:18:15 *jcowan* has 4-5 books going at present. 03:18:43 jcowan_ [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:19:00 -!- jcowan_ [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 03:19:20 I don't have the spare neurons for that ;) 03:19:57 ahh, most tech books aren't ment to be read in-order, cover to cover any way 03:21:39 almost finished Asimov's "The Martian Way" a collection of short stories. Pretty good. 03:22:39 I like them a lot. 03:23:33 -!- nickgibbon [~nring@210.8.201.244] has left #scheme 03:32:05 foof [~user@FL1-118-110-11-244.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 03:40:23 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:43:05 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:52:38 timj__ [~timj@e176216075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:53:23 rapacity [~prwg@li30-188.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 03:53:43 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 03:56:25 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176198071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:17:10 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:14 It's interesting how many of the most verbose people on the mailing list, when confronted with the task of stating their positions clearly on the wiki are hard-pressed to come up with two sentences. 04:20:28 saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:22:20 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:29 -!- rapacity [~prwg@li30-188.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:22:29 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 04:23:19 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 04:24:46 adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:27:46 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@129-97-249-119.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:35:04 phao [~phao@189.107.140.89] has joined #scheme 04:35:31 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:30 -!- luz [~davids@189.122.90.116] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 04:43:33 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:47:28 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52:11 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:52:49 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:05:05 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has joined #scheme 05:14:05 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:15:21 -!- SharkBrain [~gerard@210.48.104.34] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:16:03 -!- pjb [~t@64.Red-79-149-91.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28:16 Does anyone here know why some people tend to never write a text file having lines bigger than 80 chars? 05:30:10 What would you do with more than 80 chars? They wouldn't fit on the terminal! 05:30:33 foof, how is 1972 treating you? 05:31:25 Very nice. We don't have all this global warming, and the music rocks! 05:33:49 foof, relax, it's going to worse when you try to do anything sophisticated in a computer. You won't even need global warming to get some heat up in your head. 05:33:54 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 05:34:25 I imagine how lisp interpreters would run in 1972's computers. 05:35:24 "Pretty damn well." 05:35:50 code expands to fill the available CPU 05:35:52 "In 1973, Richard Greenblatt and Thomas Knight, programmers at MIT's AI Lab, started what would become the MIT Lisp Machine Project when they first began building a computer hardwired to run certain basic Lisp operations, rather than run them in software, in a 24-bit tagged architecture." 05:37:20 they programmed parentheses in fpga's?? 05:37:25 *foof* starts work on x86-64_Scheme 05:39:06 lisp machines weren't fast, were they? 05:39:44 not by today's standards, no 05:40:06 as a general rule, if it's more than 5 years old, its relative speed is somewhere between snail and molasses 05:40:17 compared to, e.g., your watch or cell phone :P 05:40:24 well, there are always better computers than what we have 05:40:28 but they're expensive. 05:40:37 if lisp machines were "top" of that time 05:40:42 they probably were pretty expensive. 05:40:49 I should think so 05:41:00 hehe 05:41:52 is there an x86 assembly for dummies book? 05:43:54 maybe? 05:50:25 I think I've seen such a book, yes. Amazon should be helpful. 05:50:34 -!- kuatto_ [~kuatto@c-75-72-177-136.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51:16 Old computers were slow, but peripherals were slower. The PDP-8 I cut my teeth on had a 1.2 microsecond cycle time, but since I was talking to it through a 10 character per second connection, I didn't really notice. 05:51:32 What would the x86 equiv of /See MIPS Run/ be? 05:51:40 there isn't one 05:51:44 Alas. 05:52:02 x86 is obscenely complicated; the best reference work I've ever seen about it is the actual intel manuals, which is saying something 05:52:29 *Daemmerung* has a 80286 manual around here somewhere 05:52:34 s/complicated/big/ 05:53:36 nah, it's also complicated :P 05:54:40 And its complications have very little actual utility. 05:54:49 The x86 is a Pascal chip in a C world. 05:54:56 heh :P 05:55:32 Quite literally, the 4 segment registers seem to have been designed for Pascal programs, which had separate code, data, stack, and heap segments, with no crossover between them. 05:56:06 Pascal is obviously a very good language 05:56:19 Too bad there's no WG1 for pascal 05:56:23 Thus a Pascal pointer can only point to code or heap, never data or stack, and it's always possible to tell at compile time which. 05:56:35 Pascal already has an ISO standard, though. 05:56:37 Cute. 05:56:50 jcowan: Scheme does too 05:57:01 (but not iso) 05:57:13 IEEE, yes. 05:57:47 There is also ISO 10179, or DSSSL, which is a markup transformation language that incorporates a large subset of Scheme. 05:57:56 meh 05:58:07 Why meh? 05:58:27 I don't know. 05:58:37 jcowan: look what I made today http://mnvl.org/quad/haha_so_random_xD/LOL_WUT.MOV 05:59:37 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 06:00:37 -!- TR2N [email@89.180.178.15] has left #scheme 06:00:50 I had to keep the sound off, as the baby's going to sleep. 06:01:33 I'm not too clear on why it has three front covers and one back. 06:01:40 They aren't covers :) 06:01:51 They are to be removed, and then a real cover would be put on 06:03:38 whoa jcowan was a baby? 06:03:57 All of us were, I think, at one point. 06:04:08 s/was/has/ 06:04:16 My grandson. My daughter's living at home. 06:04:23 O_O 06:04:34 jcowan: Are you >30 years old? 06:04:47 *Daemmerung* laughs 06:04:49 Indeed. I am 51, the last time I figured it. 06:05:01 Oh... 06:05:02 31-y-o grandfathers are probably rare. 06:05:13 I thought you were 23 or something. O_O 06:05:17 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 06:05:18 *jcowan* laughs too. 06:05:25 But I still don't understand the point of the movie. 06:05:36 It's like those old Oil of Olay commercials in here. 06:05:54 jcowan: Oh, just showing off what I printed, "cut", and bound. 06:05:54 "People often mistake me for my daughter...." 06:05:58 "On the Internet, nobody knows you're an old fart." 06:06:08 thank hebben 06:06:21 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:06:23 Quadrescence: Oh, okay. I was confused by the LOL WUT in the title. 06:06:29 jcowan: oh, haha 06:06:34 (as it seemed neither funny nor surprising) 06:07:10 I mean, if the text had been written by Quang Phuc Dong (formerly of the South Hanoi Institute of Technocracy), "LOL WUT" would have been justified. 06:07:47 Wow, so you're 51, huh. 06:07:56 This is a shock to me. 06:07:56 I suppose I should say "the late Q.F.D." 06:08:19 Now the PDP-9 makes sense. 06:08:21 http://douglemoine.com/english-sentences-without-overt-grammatical-subjects/ <-- his best known paper 06:08:22 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/b7mz8z 06:10:47 Old farts are frequently found on #scheme, to the point where people who know what they are talking about may be a mere 24 and yet mistaken for aged curmudgeons. 06:11:29 haha 06:11:40 You're not old :))) 06:12:09 ribbs [~ribbs@p024062.doubleroute.jp] has joined #scheme 06:15:47 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 06:33:27 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #scheme 06:42:15 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 06:44:11 -!- nijm [~Nick@94-195-227-153.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:44:54 thesnowdog [~doug@CPE-121-209-233-160.nfcz2.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 06:49:00 hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:50:00 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.140.89] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:50:01 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:51:12 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-137-111.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 06:59:29 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:28 semka [~user@188.16.108.126] has joined #scheme 07:05:36 -!- hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:08:11 HG` [~HG@xdslfd069.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 07:18:43 -!- elderK [~Duke@125-236-161-142.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #scheme 07:19:39 -!- caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has left #scheme 07:24:04 hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:25:33 gavino2 [~gavin@cpe-76-172-28-85.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:25:48 chicken spiffy anyone? 07:28:30 chicken spiffy? 07:29:58 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 07:32:50 http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/eggs/spiffy.html 07:38:06 this appears spiffy 07:40:43 anythign but apache [tm] 07:41:49 minion: later tell Riastradh thanks, 9.0.1 works better, but make in src/ still dies after building the microcode (as it can't find an executable mit-scheme). would it be possible to change the build process to use the executable in src/microcode/? 07:41:50 scheme is the root of all evil 07:42:16 minion: memo for Riastradh thanks, 9.0.1 works better, but make in src/ still dies after building the microcode (as it can't find an executable mit-scheme). would it be possible to change the build process to use the executable in src/microcode/? 07:42:17 scheme is the root of all evil 07:42:34 minion: memo for Riastradh: thanks, 9.0.1 works better, but make in src/ still dies after building the microcode (as it can't find an executable mit-scheme). would it be possible to change the build process to use the executable in src/microcode/? 07:42:34 Remembered. I'll tell Riastradh when he/she/it next speaks. 07:42:48 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 07:44:46 attila_lendvai [~ati@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #scheme 07:47:34 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:13 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 07:50:33 minion: what?!? 07:50:33 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``what''. 07:56:25 minion: archlinux 07:56:25 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``archlinux''. 07:56:35 minion: common lisp 07:56:35 common lisp: Common Lisp is a computer language in the Lisp family, descending primarily from Maclisp and Interlisp (see Lisp History). http://www.cliki.net/common%20lisp 08:00:53 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:02:44 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:57 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 08:04:54 gavino2: ask in #chicken 08:06:42 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 08:09:40 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:12:23 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 08:27:11 Blkt [~user@93-33-131-207.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 08:28:18 sad0ur [~sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 08:38:47 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 08:48:29 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: omghaahhahaohwow] 08:53:46 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 08:55:15 ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 08:55:22 -!- foof [~user@FL1-118-110-11-244.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:56:42 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:55 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-137-111.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:59:41 -!- ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:52 ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 09:05:17 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:05:58 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 09:10:27 phao [~phao@189.107.140.89] has joined #scheme 09:12:26 Mandar [~armand@217.108.230.48] has joined #scheme 09:14:02 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:16:52 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:34 r2q2 [~user@dhcp-vlan3242-22-85.wireless.uic.edu] has joined #scheme 09:38:31 -!- ribbs [~ribbs@p024062.doubleroute.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:41:08 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:57 jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 09:47:13 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 09:52:57 wingo [~wingo@81.38.185.122] has joined #scheme 09:55:53 pjb [~t@64.Red-79-149-91.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 09:57:17 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 10:00:58 -!- PygoscelisPapua [~pygospa@f055075040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:02:13 -!- wingo [~wingo@81.38.185.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:02:30 PygoscelisPapua [~pygospa@f055075208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 10:03:54 myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 10:05:12 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:10:02 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16:04 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:18:20 -!- r2q2 [~user@dhcp-vlan3242-22-85.wireless.uic.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:13 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 10:25:08 Edico [~Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 10:31:39 masm [~masm@bl9-115-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 10:33:18 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.31.66] has joined #scheme 10:45:51 -!- gavino2 [~gavin@cpe-76-172-28-85.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:35 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 10:54:18 -!- myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:50 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-194-69-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:57:48 is tehre any language that supports things that scheme supports (procedures as first class "citzens" for example) that has a C-like syntax? 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What scheme implementation would you recommend to work with SICP's 2nd ed on a debian system? 12:19:30 -!- bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:20:04 bokr [~user@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 12:40:19 semka` [~user@188.19.150.27] has joined #scheme 12:41:39 norton [~oleg@85.26.165.209] has joined #scheme 12:42:26 rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 12:42:46 -!- hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:46 -!- semka [~user@188.16.108.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:44:16 luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 12:48:58 -!- nareshov [~user@unaffiliated/nareshov] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:58:18 I'd say any except debian "system." 13:00:19 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad4c06e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 13:05:38 -!- jay-mccarthy [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:34 wingo [~wingo@81.38.185.122] has joined #scheme 13:07:53 jay-mccarthy [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 13:09:44 -!- mreggen [~mreggen@cm-84.215.18.49.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:19:03 -!- luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:45 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.140.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:32:07 -!- KatieHuber is now known as KatieHuber|away 13:32:09 nareshov [~user@115.240.56.160] has joined #scheme 13:34:24 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:35:50 phao [~phao@189.107.164.190] has joined #scheme 13:37:03 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 13:38:52 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.31.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:38:52 scheibo [~scheibo@129-97-249-119.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 13:39:50 HG` [~HG@85.8.72.203] has joined #scheme 13:46:50 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-14-186.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:53:34 luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 13:53:55 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:58 -!- bokr [~user@95.154.102.124] has left #scheme 13:59:28 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:00:09 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 14:02:49 -!- scheibo [~scheibo@129-97-249-119.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:09:16 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.164.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:11:43 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@host-64-179-113-99.col.choiceone.net] has joined #scheme 14:22:52 -!- semka` [~user@188.19.150.27] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:23:46 -!- norton [~oleg@85.26.165.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:27:37 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 14:28:35 doelie [~tom@cust-59-48-109-94.dyn.as47377.net] has joined #scheme 14:32:46 phao [~phao@189.107.164.190] has joined #scheme 14:34:33 -!- csmrfx is now known as csmrfx__ 14:46:06 Daemmerung [~goetter@64.146.161.228] has joined #scheme 14:47:05 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 14:47:39 -!- aspect [~aspect@abstracted-spleen.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:14 -!- duncanm [~duncan@a-chinaman.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:10 aspect [~aspect@64.22.124.11] has joined #scheme 14:53:10 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@host-64-179-113-99.col.choiceone.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:58:01 duncanm [~duncan@a-chinaman.com] has joined #scheme 14:58:02 la la la 14:58:24 hi there 15:00:40 duncanm is back 15:01:55 Blkt [~user@93-33-138-101.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 15:08:05 what's the known scheme-implentation that works best on, say, debian. (context: i'm looking forward to working out some sicp) 15:10:18 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:11:48 nareshov: pltscheme or chicken or .... 15:12:23 nareshov: for learning purposes most of the available implementations are good 15:15:12 nareshov: StackOverflow says use MIT Scheme with SICP. 15:16:26 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-128-243.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:16:30 pmd [~user@cpe-173-171-87-121.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:17:31 -!- pmd [~user@cpe-173-171-87-121.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:34 pmd [~user@cpe-173-171-87-121.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:18:22 hi 15:18:38 i've read there's no r6rs interactive (repl) implementation 15:18:43 kenpp [~kenpp@188-222-117-86.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:18:51 is this true? is there anything making this so difficult? 15:22:50 pjb [~t@64.Red-79-149-91.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 15:23:00 ikarus has a repl. 15:24:48 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-128-243.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:24:51 afaik a repl cannot be portably implemented on r6rs alone, but all r6rs implementations have repls. 15:24:56 pmd: The R6RS does not define semantics for a REPL. Implementations are free to provide this on their own. 15:25:13 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:25:30 wingo: That's not true; PLT in R6RS mode doesn't really have one. 15:25:46 i stand corrected then :) 15:26:00 i would be surprised if r6rs larceny had one. 15:26:36 I don't think it does either. 15:27:55 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-141-157-183-82.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 15:28:04 ypsilon has a repl, as does mosh. 15:28:45 *wingo* wonders why one would make a big scheme without a repl, except to make a point. 15:29:26 larceny and plt both have repls. what they don't have are r6rs repls. 15:36:25 -!- nareshov [~user@115.240.56.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:36:39 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-138-101.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:37:42 foof [~user@FL1-118-110-11-244.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 15:39:27 xwl [~user@123.115.114.231] has joined #scheme 15:44:47 friday [~rafael@kontesti.me] has joined #scheme 15:47:14 hello. I'm a bit confused with the syntax (lambda (x) x). The way I figure it (x) is a non-evaluated list. But how is it left unevaluated? Is lambda actually a special syntax and not a regular function? I assume that (quote (x)) is also special syntax. 15:47:56 If I try (car (1 2 3)) it doesn't work, it tries to evaluate (1 2 3) 15:49:14 yes, lambda and quote are special forms 15:50:24 -!- doelie [~tom@cust-59-48-109-94.dyn.as47377.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:50:25 See http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_86 15:51:05 Sorry, "primitive expressions", I think "special forms" might offend a few people :) 15:51:23 "special form" is a SICP-ism. 15:51:49 caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 15:51:50 Yeah, and they're not really SPECIAL; they can be used as variable names if you want 15:52:21 But then they wouldn't be forms. 15:52:51 ? 15:53:22 I don't think than an atom is a form, after that way of describin it. 15:53:30 -ing 15:53:42 -hat 15:53:49 *Daemmerung* needs coffee, seeya 15:53:53 rudybot, eval (let ((lambda #t)) in lambda) 15:54:01 Jafet: your sandbox is ready 15:54:01 Jafet: error: reference to undefined identifier: in 15:54:11 Blah, wrong language 15:54:15 rudybot, eval (let ((lambda #t)) lambda) 15:54:15 Jafet: ; Value: #t 15:55:48 -!- Mr_Awesome [~eric@c-98-212-139-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:31 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 15:58:03 That's what you get for trying to program in Oschemel 15:58:49 rudybot: eval ((lambda (x) `((lambda (x) ,x) ',x)) '`((lambda (x) ,x) ',x)) 15:58:51 qebab: your sandbox is ready 15:58:51 qebab: ; Value: ((lambda (x) (quasiquote ((lambda (x) (unquote x)) (quote (unquote x))))) (quote (quasiquote ((lambda (x) (unquote x)) (quote (unquote x)))))) 15:59:38 *wingo* revokes qebab's quasiquote license 15:59:44 :( 16:00:01 heh 16:00:21 just think of the possibilities afforded by #` now 16:02:10 the idea was to get the same program as output, didn't consider that it'd replace ` by calls to quasiquote and such ): 16:02:33 quasiquote isn't a procedure, anyhow 16:02:51 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-14-186.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:03:56 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@217.13.146.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05:47 Way to confuse the OP :) 16:06:54 -!- pjb [~t@64.Red-79-149-91.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:56 heh 16:07:04 friday: (car '(1 2 3)) 16:07:13 note the quote. 16:07:15 pjb [~t@64.Red-79-149-91.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:13:21 Mr_Awesome [~eric@c-98-212-139-181.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:13:27 yeah, I know that it works with quote, but it bugged me that you didn't do (lambda '(x) x) 16:13:54 that way only quote would be special 16:15:03 *wingo* shrugs 16:15:11 some things just are how they are :) 16:15:32 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:16:21 davazp [~user@147.Red-88-6-205.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:16:34 I don't understand how that would possibly work. 16:16:36 friday: Not really. If you did that, it'd complain about x being undefined 16:17:04 lambda _has_ to be special; it introduces a new lexical scoping "area" 16:17:25 And it also stops everything inside it from being evaluated directly, until it is called 16:17:41 (lambda () (destroy-the-world)) is harmless until actually called :) 16:18:09 alaricsp [~alaric@router1.hotdesktop.biz] has joined #scheme 16:18:35 -!- pmd [~user@cpe-173-171-87-121.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:19 pmd` [~user@cpe-173-171-87-121.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:19:48 (define-syntax destroy-the-world 16:21:31 -!- pmd` [~user@cpe-173-171-87-121.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:34 Oh, shut up you ;) 16:22:27 pmd` [~user@cpe-173-171-87-121.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:24:20 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:37 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-194-69-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has 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