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You wouldn't believe the bugs you still find in 2010 in MacOS...'] 17:17:15 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:17:31 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 17:21:24 -!- Morbeo [myrlochar@91.92.170.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:25:22 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:29:15 what is the difference between tiny-clos and clos? 17:29:52 beyond the obvious that the other one is tinyer :P 17:30:29 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:30:50 http://community.schemewiki.org/?Tiny-CLOS 17:31:11 it doesn't support the full MOP/AMOP but retains most of the same power 17:31:20 chupish: thank you. 17:31:29 morphir: no problem 17:31:32 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:31:53 morphir: you can look at STklos & RScheme as well (and Goo too, if you're adventurous) 17:32:13 Yesterday, I was recommended the use of Chibi for embedding. It's looking good so far, but I'm just wondering - anyone know how stable/bugfree it is? 17:32:44 I don't use it much, but I've never seen anything glaring 17:32:52 although that's not what you're asking :D 17:33:04 Well, I'm asking how mature it is 17:33:06 snorble [~none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 17:33:39 it's written by a comptent person open to suggestions, and it's well designed 17:33:59 Aand - it's scheme. Not too many things to go wrong. 17:34:07 yes 17:34:08 Well, I'll just try it. 17:34:37 it wouldn't be terrible if you did, since you can use it in a real-ish world situation... of DF. 17:35:12 Right, and I'll use it for macros at first. No disaster if those blow up. 17:35:19 heh 17:35:47 And I'll call it.. 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22:42:40 Mmmm, parens 22:42:47 (lovely (parens)) 22:42:50 copumpkin [~copumpkin@dhcp-212-183.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 22:43:05 -!- wingo [~wingo@81.39.162.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:43:18 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-68-179.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:46:23 TR2N` [email@89.180.200.252] has joined #scheme 22:52:02 bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 22:59:35 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Quit: melba] 23:09:45 *Baughn* is having a jolly good time making Chibi compile on MSVC. Dear god this thing is awful. 23:10:23 Baughn: what sort of problems? 23:11:04 Daemmerung: For instance, MSVC does not support mixing declarations and code. "int foo; foo = 2; int bar;" is out. 23:11:26 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:11:32 Avoiding that construct is out, too.. so I'm trying to make it compile as C++. 23:11:45 ... 23:12:00 ..I'll just go get mingw installed, and make a dll. 23:12:11 Or .lib. Whatever. 23:12:13 So Chibi uses nonstandard C? 23:12:22 No, it uses C99 23:12:30 MSVC only supports 1989-level C 23:12:43 That's the C that I know and love, yeah 23:13:12 TR2N [email@89.180.200.252] has joined #scheme 23:14:14 Something I can't figure out, what's chibi's license? 23:14:54 looks bsd-ish 23:15:00 Looks like MIT to me per ./COPYING 23:15:39 -!- TR2N` [email@89.180.200.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:15:44 Oh, there it is. 23:15:56 ..you'd think I'd learn to look outside the webpage 23:16:55 the web site actually says "new bsd" 23:17:05 er, the google code page 23:18:21 So it does. Thanks. 23:18:26 http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php 23:24:31 TR2N` [email@89-180-204-185.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 23:25:22 -!- TR2N [email@89.180.200.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:28:39 -!- derrida [~derrida@unaffiliated/deleuze] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:30:47 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:27 annodomini [~lambda@2002:97cb:cadc:2:21c:b3ff:febc:c615] has joined #scheme 23:33:27 -!- annodomini [~lambda@2002:97cb:cadc:2:21c:b3ff:febc:c615] has quit [Changing host] 23:33:27 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 23:35:10 Baughn: ``make chibi-scheme.exe CC=i486-mingw32-gcc PLATFORM=mingw SEXP_USE_DL=0'' works for me, after disabling dlopen in features.h . Same with libchibi-scheme.dll 23:36:02 sloyd: Doesn't for me. I get a /lot/ of compile errors, starting with rand.c, which forgets to include stdint.h 23:38:34 I thought you didn't need SRFI 27 et al? 23:39:12 I don't. :P 23:39:36 Disabling it is fine. I'm just saying there are a lot of issues in there; it's not really very portable. 23:39:42 -!- TR2N` is now known as TR2N 23:42:38 derrida [~derrida@unaffiliated/deleuze] has joined #scheme 23:42:49 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:43:22 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 23:44:11 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-128-189.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:19 I disagree. Just some of the C libraries lack a windows implementation. 23:46:49 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-128-189.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 23:47:08 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:48:46 sloyd: No, take the stdint thing for example 23:49:36 one small bug in a library 23:49:38 sloyd: On linux, Chibi includes headers that then go on to include stdint.h. On mingw, they don't. There is no requirement for them to do so; this is clearly a portability flaw, if a rather simple one to fix. 23:49:53 *Baughn* would personally claim it's more of a flaw in C, though 23:53:13 -!- bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:57:39 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]