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I haven't heard a peep since last year. 01:48:25 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:48:27 ApeShort [~user@venus.physics.unc.edu] has joined #scheme 01:48:54 I am looking for the best scheme implementation that I can compile and use without having admin on a linux box. 01:49:02 Something that is very stand alone. 01:49:07 Pure C, just make and go 01:49:09 too many to list 01:49:14 well, "make and go"? 01:49:21 one of the newer ones, maybe: ikarus or chibi 01:49:28 I seem to recall one of those being surprisingly easy to build. 01:49:32 I am trying both 01:49:37 masm [~masm@bl7-194-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 01:49:38 Let me try chibi 01:49:40 (And none, as far as I know, really requires administrative access) 01:49:45 Ikarus needs libgmp 01:49:55 Yeah, nothing really does. 01:50:04 But I want to minimize futzing with third party libraries. 01:50:17 Surprisingly, I can't get tinyscheme to build 01:50:18 I'm guessing you just want a basic scheme to futz around with 01:50:27 Have you considered just installing PLT from the binary distribution? 01:50:36 I was about to say. 01:50:43 No "make" step necessary, provided you're on an architecture for which binaries are supplied. 01:50:59 I can't get PLT to run 01:51:04 Due to glibc problems 01:51:06 -!- masm [~masm@bl7-194-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #scheme 01:51:08 Otherwise, Chibi is a good small Scheme that should be trivial to compile. 01:51:19 And I can't build the version of glibc that plt scheme needs because I don't have the right version of gcc 01:51:41 ApeShort: are you on a very old distro? 01:51:42 ... what distribution is this, anyways? 01:51:47 One with an outdated libc? 01:52:13 It is my physics departments weird debian flavor. 01:52:15 I ran into the glibc issue on an original eee PC not too long ago, but that machine shortly afterwards had xubuntu installed on it. 01:52:27 Chicken does not hava a configure step as well 01:52:54 Chicken takes approximately two years to compile. I've got an older PowerPC box; it's been compiling Chicken for the last three years. 01:53:01 (er, two years on modern hardware) 01:53:04 "./plt/bin/mzscheme: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./plt/bin/mzscheme)" 01:53:06 if you are willing to put up with configure, Gambit-C has no dependencies besideds libc 01:53:09 So, I wouldn't recommend it. 01:53:17 chandler: well, cross compile, eh 01:53:20 Excuse me, libc 01:53:33 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@205.158.58.41.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #scheme 01:53:44 (There might be some exaggeration in those compile time numbers. Don't believe everything you hear.) 01:53:52 Scheme48 should also be awfully easy to compile. 01:53:56 It's also quite nice to use. 01:54:15 Mikaeel_Mohamed [Mohamdu@2002:8161:f189:b:4856:c35d:183:9d75] has joined #scheme 01:54:23 yikes, two years old 01:54:36 Interesting 01:54:44 chibi compiles, but won't run 01:54:50 man 01:55:02 maybe the answer is: use some other system 01:55:08 "./chibi-scheme: error while loading shared libraries: libchibi-scheme.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" 01:55:30 Weird, because the .so is right here in this directory. 01:55:36 try the static binary 01:55:41 chibi-scheme-static or something 01:55:51 or try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd) ./chibi-scheme 01:55:52 Try something like: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.:$LD_LIBARY_PATH ./chibi-scheme 01:55:54 Riastradh: There is no other news. 01:55:58 chandler: get your own brain 01:56:21 offby1: Well, next time you might want to append to LD_LIBRARY_PATH instead of replacing it. 01:56:28 true, true 01:56:34 offby1: I get "Illegal variable name." if I do that. 01:56:37 but then I often get a trailing colon 01:56:46 Eh 01:56:46 That sounds painful. 01:56:50 it is 01:56:51 I will just use emacs lisp 01:56:53 unsanitary too 01:56:54 The old standby 01:56:55 Don't tell me this is csh? 01:57:01 ApeShort: now hold on just a minute there. 01:57:17 ApeShort: There's no need to get medieval. 01:57:24 ApeShort: much as I love emacs, Emacs Lisp is fairly different from scheme, unless you limit yourself to the most basic consing and stuff 01:57:35 I know both languages quite well. 01:57:39 I understand the difference. 01:57:41 ok 01:58:15 I happen to like emacs lisp, actually. 01:58:18 ApeShort: If you've got chibi built, you should be able to figure out whatever incantation your shell requires to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable to run it. 01:58:50 On linux, one needs to do "sudo ldconfig". 01:58:58 No, one doesn't. 01:58:59 Then you don't have to worry about LD_LIBRARY_PATH. 01:59:11 That doesn't really help anything, if the shared library is not in the path. 01:59:24 I can't sudo anyway. 01:59:26 bicker bicker bicker 01:59:36 Not bickering, just different helpful approaches. 01:59:51 Do do that sudo that you do so well 01:59:52 one doesn't need to run ldconfig manually anymore. We're using ubuntu, not a slackware 4.0 from 1998 01:59:52 I don't see how it would help, but perhaps I'm missing something. 01:59:53 The main thing is, I have a giant job, and I don't want to run it on my laptop 01:59:56 ldconfig is handy, but won't work if chibi is not installed, which it cannot be if you don't have sudo. 02:00:00 But it needs scheme. 02:00:10 It is just text munging, basically. 02:00:23 I really don't like non sexpression languages. 02:00:27 What shell are you using? 02:00:27 Its stupid, I know. 02:00:33 ApeShort: what linux/unix? 02:00:37 You aren't providing any information that would help me help you. 02:00:45 I asked if you were using csh, and you haven't answered. 02:00:49 Linux venus 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:52:18 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux 02:01:03 tcsh 02:01:17 It is a debian box, I am pretty certain. 02:01:26 just apt-get/emerge/portinstall/yum/yaourt any of the schemes you've been told of earlier 02:01:33 Can't 02:01:34 No root. 02:01:36 Oh, so you're not root on that machine 02:01:37 I see. 02:01:46 Gambit will install fine. 02:01:48 It is a department machine. 02:01:50 ApeShort: setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH .:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH} 02:01:55 Then try running Chibi again. 02:02:35 chandler: are you sure that is valid tcsh? 02:02:43 LD_LIBRARY_PATH: Undefined variable. 02:02:47 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 02:02:59 ApeShort: echo $SHELL 02:03:03 then try: setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH . 02:03:17 that worked 02:03:29 And I figured out I stomped by LD_LIBRARY_PATH somehow 02:03:30 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.197.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:52 chibi is now working 02:04:03 These physics machines are so weird 02:04:06 I don't speak tcsh natively, so this is all from online dictionaries. I may have been suggesting that you tell your shell that your hovercraft is full of eels, for all I know. 02:04:23 But my hovercraft *is* full of eels. 02:04:27 And I want my shell to know. 02:04:46 one needs to use $?{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} because it may be unset 02:04:58 not need in bash 02:05:05 In that case, I will not buy this tobacconists; it is scratched. 02:05:20 not needed, I mean 02:06:12 Thanks everyone 02:06:15 I will use chibi 02:10:18 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:28 -!- seamus_android_ [~scratch@host86-179-231-223.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:12:54 -!- ApeShort [~user@venus.physics.unc.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:24 -!- 94SAAAMSW [~Len@87.70.252.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:22:45 tarbo [~me@pool-173-75-5-88.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:22:45 -!- tarbo [~me@pool-173-75-5-88.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:22:45 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 02:28:26 elderK [~zk@125-238-255-11.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 02:28:35 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:28:43 -!- elderK [~zk@125-238-255-11.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Changing host] 02:28:43 elderK [~zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 02:29:46 -!- elderK [~zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Client Quit] 02:30:15 elderK [~zk@125-238-255-11.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 02:30:15 -!- elderK [~zk@125-238-255-11.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Changing host] 02:30:15 elderK [~zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 02:32:41 -!- blackened` [~blackened@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: blackened`] 02:32:56 Len_ [~Len@87.70.252.108] has joined #scheme 02:35:49 -!- JohnnyL [excellent_@ool-182f0b98.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 02:36:53 muaha @ 2 years compiling chicken 02:37:52 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:39:23 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:41:18 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-175.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 02:42:45 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 02:43:50 Hey people! 02:45:17 ski_ [~md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 02:45:22 -!- Mikaeel_Mohamed [Mohamdu@2002:8161:f189:b:4856:c35d:183:9d75] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:47:06 timchen1` [tim@163.16.211.21] has joined #scheme 02:47:31 hrm, no (predicate? p), eh? 02:47:39 o_O 02:47:44 I guess that is asking a bit much... 02:47:47 elo elderK 02:47:52 Yo bytecolor :) 02:47:57 Still trekkin' along there, buddy? 02:47:59 :) 02:48:00 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 02:48:09 -!- ventonegro [~alex@189.62.122.152] has quit [Quit: ventonegro] 02:48:15 nod, my parser is comming along 02:48:24 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:48:26 :) I Forget what you're parser is for, 02:48:30 but it sounds gloriously hardcore. 02:48:30 :D 02:48:31 Hey bots! 02:48:42 lo minion. 02:48:44 :P I need some oil. 02:48:47 *elderK* squeaks 02:50:32 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-214.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:38 yo elderK 02:50:43 hey rudy! 02:50:52 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-214.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 02:51:26 -!- dnm_ [~dnm@c-68-49-47-248.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:51:58 rudybot: we've got to stop meeting like this. 02:51:58 minion: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 02:51:59 watch out, you'll make krystof angry 02:52:07 I'm going through all the examples supplied with the Spirit parser, tyring them with my parser. I think I'll round up all parsers I can find and do that. It'll help me debug it and bring some of the warts to the surface. 02:53:27 Like if my parser cant do something another can do, I'll try to add it from a users perspective. See how scalable it is. 02:57:24 dnm_ [~dnm@c-68-49-47-248.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:05 jengle [~jengle@69.0.54.57] has joined #scheme 03:02:48 tarbo [~me@pool-173-75-5-88.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:02:48 -!- tarbo [~me@pool-173-75-5-88.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:02:49 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 03:03:58 -!- jengle [~jengle@69.0.54.57] has quit [Quit: return EXIT_SUCCESS;] 03:09:00 sam_tceipn [~sfwc@206-248-172-247.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 03:09:26 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:11:35 Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 03:18:22 bytecolor: What're youbuilding the parser for? 03:18:24 General purpose stuff? 03:18:30 or is it specifically tailored for a certain thing? 03:18:32 :) 03:18:48 general purpose ;) 03:20:07 :D Neat. 03:20:40 :D YUS! I think I just my printer dancing with Cups :D 03:20:42 WOOT! 03:22:06 It will probably just end up being a proof of concept, it's much too slow as written to actually be of any use. Scheme is like an empty canvas. I'm just painting what ever comes to mind. 03:22:37 elderK: I think you accidentally 93mb RAR files. 03:22:48 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 03:26:17 chandler: ? 03:26:38 chandler: Is this about the book I sent? :) I can't remember. 03:26:52 bytecolor: I hear you man :D I'm the same atm 03:26:53 :) 03:27:10 Man, I'm so happy my printer works with CUPS, it would have sucked /hard/ if I had to use two systems, just to print!? 03:27:25 I don't know what book you're referring to; I was somewhat snarkily pointing out that you accidentally a verb in the sentence "I think I just my printer dancing with Cups". 03:27:46 oh, sorry. 03:27:48 :) My bad. 03:27:57 *elderK* offers chandler a cookie 03:27:57 :) 03:28:04 I come in peace? :) 03:28:29 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:28:32 *chandler* hands the cookie to gabot 03:28:37 gabot: botsnack 03:28:37 *gabot* bites sheepishly 03:28:38 *gabot* burps 03:28:46 hehe 03:30:30 Man, I hate having to setup terminal colors :/ 03:31:10 I don't think I've ever done anything that could be described as setting up terminal colors, other than perhaps picking a white-on-black scheme from a dropdown control. 03:31:15 hrm, what are you installing tiny linux? 03:31:56 Generally, default xterm is too hard for me to see/read. 03:32:01 so, I'll setup some stuff a little later. 03:32:05 :) 03:32:59 If yuo don't like doing this, why not pick a terminal emulator that gives you an option you like? 03:33:04 "you" 03:33:13 I'd slap my fingers, but my hand won't let me. 03:33:24 have any of you built a linux from scratch box? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org It's one hell of a learning experiance. I've done it a few times. 03:33:26 :P slap or snap? 03:33:34 I have, bytecolor :) 03:33:42 I was trying CLFS, using my own package choices - didn't work so well :P 03:34:34 heh, my old lappy ran LFS. It was `perfect'. But I got drunk and threw it in the river one night. 03:34:53 oh, man. 03:34:54 :P epic suck 03:34:56 :P 03:35:14 ^_^ compiling shit, listening to nin. 03:35:15 :D 03:35:18 drinking strong coffee. 03:35:18 :D 03:35:20 *elderK* dances 03:35:21 I knew every file, nothing was installed that I did not want need 03:35:21 :p 03:35:31 oh man, perfection! 03:35:32 that's what I seek. 03:35:43 lucky thing is, I can do the same with Slackware. 03:35:48 usually, that's the distribution of choice for me. 03:35:54 Except, I usually heavily modify it... to suit me. 03:35:54 :) 03:36:02 custom bootscripts, etc. :) 03:42:48 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 03:43:41 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 03:47:10 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-224-230.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:48:26 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:01:31 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-214.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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'- '-) but i get an error saying "Wrong type argument in position 1 (expecting character): -" 08:14:30 #\- 08:14:46 #\ is how you write characters 08:14:53 elly: thanks! 08:15:02 including escapes: #\newline, #\space, etc 08:15:57 elly: i just found the relevant section in r5rs. =) 08:20:46 -!- wingo [~wingo@120.Red-79-156-147.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20:49 lets say you call (fact x) twice. is the returned value cached so that the function call is not done the second time around? 08:21:30 as long as the value of x is the same in both calls? 08:22:15 no, that is not done automatically 08:22:24 you can do that yourself, though 08:22:30 it is a relatively common intermediate exercise 08:22:49 furthermore, compilers that can prove purity of a function somehow are free to do that 08:22:56 i see... so if you're worried about the amount of function calls, best to cache it in a variable then. 08:23:42 you can create a function 'memoize' that makes a caching version of a given function 08:25:30 elly: thanks. i think i'll skip memoization for now. =) 08:25:41 mmc [~mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 08:30:11 -!- SharkBrain [~gerard@122-57-58-99.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:06 -!- mmc [~mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50:50 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-103-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [] 09:08:12 hkBst_ [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 09:09:46 -!- hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:12:41 masm [~masm@bl7-194-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 09:13:27 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has left #scheme 09:16:00 QinGW [~wangqingw@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 09:21:04 mmc [~mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 09:23:01 Edico [~Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 09:33:01 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 09:39:01 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 09:44:09 What is frigg? 09:49:04 A goddess? 09:52:36 /whois frigg 09:58:51 do referenced parameters exist in scheme? like void foo(std::string &s) in c++? 09:59:37 Sounds like you're trying to write C++ in Scheme 09:59:52 I would suggest to reduce that where possible 10:00:21 That said, you can do what you're probably trying to do using set! 10:01:28 Terminus: No. But you can create a box and mutate it. 10:01:45 i see. 10:02:36 ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 10:02:56 i should google what a box is. or i guess i can just return a pair instead and use that to change stuff in the calling function. 10:03:08 Right. 10:03:39 Jafet: i figured that, but some habits are a bit hard to break. XD 10:04:10 Why do you want referenced parameters? 10:04:20 XD XD XD XD lololz 10:05:25 Have you read one of the textbooks? 10:05:32 masm: i'm passing a list to a function. the function returns a subset of the list and i want that subset removed from the original list. 10:05:56 Jafet: not completely. 10:06:08 Note that you can return multiple values from a function. 10:06:34 You can also just return a pair of results. 10:06:52 You can pass a list and return two lists, the removed subset and the new list. 10:06:58 -!- ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:07:17 yeah... that's what i said a few minutes ago, return a pair. 10:08:14 Multiple values are not pairs. 10:08:19 oh... 10:08:33 i really should look for that then. sounds convenient. 10:08:36 I find multiple values a pain in Scheme. 10:09:26 -!- QinGW [~wangqingw@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:29 rudybot: init r5rs 10:09:30 masm: your r5rs sandbox is ready 10:09:45 rudybot: eval (values 42 43 44) 10:09:46 masm: ; Value: 42 10:09:47 masm: ; Value#2: 43 10:09:48 masm: ; Value#3: 44 10:10:03 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:05 (They're also a pain in CL -- there you have procedures to deal with them, but their names are completely unmemorable.) 10:10:06 rudybot: eval (call-with-values (lambda () (values 42 43 44)) (lambda (x y z) y)) 10:10:07 masm: ; Value: 43 10:10:47 oh... values. didn't know about that procedure. 10:11:06 Multiple values are a bit odd 10:11:30 thanks@ 10:12:10 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 10:12:30 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 10:12:57 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-125.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 10:13:55 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:32 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 10:27:15 schmir 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[~anto@92.251.173.183.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:46:52 It works! 13:48:13 -!- mickn [~mickn@69.196.150.202] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50:28 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-61-164.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 13:52:12 bytecolor pasted "extending the peg parser" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/94212 13:53:38 -!- Len_ [~Len@87.70.252.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:57:59 Hee hee, car keys, I like it 13:58:35 When Ford made a car called the Ka, I wanted to make an open-source-hardware car with a scheme-based engine management computer and call it a 'cdr' 13:58:44 But I'n sadly not rich enough to go and spend a million pounds on a fancy caper like that! 13:59:46 You're a Lisp programmer, cost is irrelevant. 14:03:02 Specially regarding to cars 14:03:13 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-229.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 14:03:18 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-151-203-30-77.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 14:03:26 Getting a car is very cheap in Lisp. 14:04:22 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 14:10:40 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@175.127.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:12:31 MononcQc [~ftrottier@207.253.180.96] has joined #scheme 14:13:11 ;-) 14:13:39 The schemer knows the value of everything and the cost of nothing 14:13:59 so it is cheap to get a car I think :) 14:14:49 marcob [~user@host180-5-static.91-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 14:34:24 kuribas [kristof@d54C4377F.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 14:45:11 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:49:57 ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 14:52:05 foof [~user@FL1-122-131-157-146.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 14:53:46 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 14:55:21 sstrickl [~sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 14:57:09 hi, I'm new to scheme and I want to traverse through the list of an argument list of a procedure, which include keywords, say something like (make #:value1 "value-one" #:value2 "value-two"), how would you traverse this #:value1 ... argument list to the pairs? 14:57:20 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 14:57:30 a for-each loop? or a do loop? or something much more simple? 14:58:30 A scheme that supports keywords would also support a way to bind those keywords without manually having to loop through them 15:01:26 bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:03:01 sjamaan, hmm.. ok. 15:05:05 -!- foof [~user@FL1-122-131-157-146.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:10 For instance, in Chicken (lambda (x y #!key z) ...) would allow me to refer to the value following keyword #:z by the variable 'z' 15:05:12 foof [~user@FL1-122-131-157-146.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 15:05:31 Other Schemes may have 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[~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 21:38:05 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:38:08 *wingo* still on a delimited continuations kick. 21:38:15 clarity is still beyond my grasp tho. 21:38:21 Any lex/yacc experts in here? 21:38:59 Riastradh [~riastradh@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:39:19 not i. 21:39:22 hello Riastradh. 21:39:31 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 21:39:41 Hi. 21:40:05 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:40:57 mejja [~user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:41:13 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-204-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:42:53 Hi, Riastradh! 21:43:24 Hi. 21:44:04 Could I ask a paredit question in here? 21:44:11 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-204-191.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:46:04 Armageddon00, there's only one way to find out! 21:46:46 Gee...I think you're more qualified than I to answer that question, Armageddon00. 21:46:58 Of course, you may ask a question if you feel you can. 21:47:35 In paredit, when I do M-d on the expression "(U| '+ '- '\ '*) (foo bar)" where "|" is my cursor, why does it run past the symbols and delete foo? 21:48:03 Riastradh: The fifth definition of `can` on dictionary.com is may :P 21:48:04 Because M-d deletes the next word forward. The symbols are not words; they are symbols. Similarly, M-f will move forward over `foo', for example. 21:48:07 Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.225] has joined #scheme 21:49:04 Merh. 21:49:09 I'll have to change that. 21:49:09 -!- ejs [~eugen@92.49.255.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:49:11 Armageddon00, that is a silly concession to speakers of deficient romance languages such as Spanish and French. We, speaking the more expressive English, can -- and may -- draw a distinction between `can' and `may' where the French are stuck with `pouvoir', the Spanish with `poder', &c. 21:49:35 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:50:23 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 21:52:49 schmir [~schmir@p54A93B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:52:53 elderK [~zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 21:53:24 that is the most ridiculous statement i have heard today, thank you for the amusement 21:53:34 *Riastradh* bows. 21:53:54 :) 21:54:17 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 21:54:26 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-204-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:26 (To be honest, I'm not sure whether I'm poking fun at those who confound `can' and `may' or at those who poke fun at those who confound them.) 21:54:40 Riastradh: I heard you are the one who ported the Broadcom wireless driver from OpenBSD, for NetBSD :) 21:54:48 I'm using it now, so, thanks man. Good work! 21:55:01 *Riastradh* bows again. 21:55:23 Glad to hear it. Do you have dmesg output? I keep forgetting to collect lists of devices for which it works. 21:55:48 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-204-191.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:56:05 No, but fwiw, It's a Broadcom 4328 21:56:12 OK. 21:57:40 Looks like it may be enabled by default in NetBSD 6: . 21:57:57 :D 21:58:01 Dude, that's like, an honor! 21:58:02 :D 21:59:45 -!- MononcQc [~ftrottier@207.253.180.96] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:59 ;-) 22:00:40 It seems like Riastradh's port of biw(4) is the NetBSD wireless interface driver of choice for Scheme users (I gather sjamaan uses/used it too)! 22:00:45 s/biw/bwi/ 22:01:04 :D 22:01:34 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:02:04 antoszka [~antoszka@lemongrass.antoszka.pl] has joined #scheme 22:02:04 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@lemongrass.antoszka.pl] has quit [Changing host] 22:02:04 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 22:03:46 I'll ask another question. I have quack loaded as well. Is it possible to send a file to the interpeter and have all the file's identifier's exported in the REPL scope w/o specifying in the file that all identifiers should be exported? (In PLT I'd do (provide (all-defined-out)), for example.) 22:04:18 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:05:46 yep, I'm using it too :) 22:09:03 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:09:16 Armageddon00, I imagine that the usual `scheme-load-file' or whatever it is (C-c C-l or something) will do what you want. 22:10:32 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:39 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-77-50.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:11:31 -!- ente [d9468f58c4@unaffiliated/n0nsense] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 22:11:58 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 22:14:47 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 22:15:10 Riastradh: I would imagine that as well, but the combination of scheme-load-file and the mzscheme interpeter doesn't get me any identifiers 22:16:04 How about `C-x h M-x scheme-send-region'? 22:16:19 (or cmuscheme-send-region, or something) 22:17:04 Riastradh: It is `scheme-send-region` but then mzscheme hangs. I think probably because the interpeter doesn't like #lang declarations. 22:17:10 Ah. 22:17:20 What if you mark everything in the buffer but that? 22:17:54 Riastradh: I'm in eli's PL class so I need a particular language. I suppose I'll have to look into setting the language of mzscheme. 22:18:14 Armageddon00: Loading a file with a `#lang' will evaluate the module, which is why you won't see the definitions. 22:18:30 What a pain. 22:18:42 One way you can do that is to load it, and then use something like (enter! 'your-file-name) 22:20:04 That will have problems if you use whatever it is that just sends the whole thing to the mzscheme repl though -- a better way to deal with it is to save the file, and on the repl do (enter! "file.scm"). 22:21:02 In any case, the kind of interactive interaction with Emacs that you're probably looking for is not there -- but should be easy to make. Nobody bothered to do so, yet. Maybe you will? 22:21:17 Mr-Cat_ [~Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 22:22:24 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:24:25 -!- Mr-Cat [~Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:25:12 davazp [~user@76.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:26:38 eli: I'll put it on the stack with my aforementioned disapproval of paredit's M-d behavior. 22:26:55 haha 22:27:36 Armageddon00, is your disapproval of Emacs's treatment of + and - as non-words, or is it of paredit's behaviour of not deleting anything before the first word character it finds? 22:28:15 Riastradh: I figured if I'm using paredit, I'm editing sexps and therfore the definition of a "word" should implicitly change. 22:28:24 Armageddon00: Reading back briefly, I very much agree with Riastradh on that point. 22:28:35 So you want Emacs to treat + and - as word constituents? 22:29:10 Armageddon00: In general, if you're using word-oriented commands in Emacs you get behavior that is not suited for dealing with expressions. 22:29:11 Riastradh: I'd prefer if it actually parsed the whole document and know which chuncks of letters represented a symbol or number, etc. 22:29:18 for some reason C-M-d minimizes my emacs 22:29:30 s/know/knew/ 22:29:37 wingo: I blame your window manager. 22:29:39 Ah. I see the problem, Armageddon00: you want a structure editor, not a text editor. 22:29:42 I tried this bwi(4) but it never worked for me. 22:29:45 chandler: a likely culprit. 22:29:47 Riastradh: Most definitely. 22:29:51 Armageddon00: In terms of my environment, BTW, this translates to "the Alt is mightier than the Control". 22:29:57 ASau: -> #netbsd, to avoid cluttering the Scheme conversation. 22:29:58 It looks like Riastradh specifically exclude CL users. 22:30:29 -!- Narrenschiff [~ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has quit [Quit: Narrenschiff] 22:30:36 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:43 Specifically exclude CL users? 22:30:55 *chandler* scratches his head 22:30:57 I don't get it. 22:31:18 I use CL more frequently than Scheme. 22:31:20 I switched from vi to Emacs because it was advertised to me by people as an editor that deals with program structure and not with text. 22:31:49 Armageddon00: Yes, it deals with *both* structure and text. 22:32:10 (Eg, you have both `M-f' and `M-C-f'.) 22:32:35 It deals with text, and if you beat it you can get it to try (poorly) to deal with structure. 22:32:43 hey chandler! :D 22:32:50 'lo elderK. 22:33:05 Yeah, "poorly" is a good adverb there. 22:33:07 how're you today man? 22:33:08 :) 22:33:45 eli: Is the idea of tokenizing the whole buffer--using that as a guide when moving and deleting--a really bad idea for some reason, or has simply no one done it yet? 22:33:58 I was about to reply: `Whoever told you that was lying, or misunderstood. (GNU) Emacs is a text editor, which some modes can make seem like a structure editor with sufficient cleverness.' Can you say `mixed messages'? 22:34:50 With so many operators in the channel. How about fixing our broken topic ffs. Max TOPICLEN on the new irc server is 390. 22:34:52 Armageddon00: C-M-d probably does what you want. Remap it and friends to have just the M- prefix if that's your thing. 22:34:58 Armageddon00: It is not a bad idea, and there are even editors that go beyond this to incorporate incremental parsers for the language being edited. 22:35:38 Armageddon00: Yes it's possible, though it might be cpu intensive to run an external process to re-tokenize the buffer on every change -- which is why the common approach is to approximate it. 22:36:01 ("run an external process"?) 22:36:27 chandler: I'm thinking of something like running the buffer through mzscheme to get the precise tokens -- doing that on every change will be very expensive. 22:36:28 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 22:37:03 Armageddon00: And re chandlers point about incremental parsers -- that applies to drscheme too, where there's a kind of a separate parser that DrScheme uses to make it possible to deal with incremental editing as well as incomplete programs (like "("). 22:37:15 Armageddon00: In any case, if you want to improve some Emacs support for "#lang" files, I'll be happy to give you the right pointers. 22:37:33 Armageddon00: I can tell you more tomorrow about this. 22:37:59 *eli* mounts his magic carpet an disappears 22:38:14 eli: I don't see why one would want to retokenize the entire buffer on every edit, rather than retokenizing from the point of the edit and stopping when tokenization reaches a previous state. 22:38:35 Curses. 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