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Best to avoid them if you can. 00:53:22 minion: do you have any users? 00:53:23 you'd have to tell me... my memory circuits are fried 00:53:23 They're, like, the ultimate side-effects. 00:53:52 minion: you don't have any users. 00:53:52 what's up? 00:54:00 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:54:06 incubot: Who fights for the users? 00:54:10 I guess that is the only place it really fights you, but delegate literals can be used as perameters without problems. 00:54:18 incubot: Who fights the users? 00:54:21 Nah, it was one of these fights where you do anything to win. 00:54:45 incubot will do anything to win the fight against users. 00:55:05 yeah, but it would have been nice if someone told me me last checkin from 10 Jan was a screwup and broke the build... 00:56:02 3 weeks later, no one has probably noticed except the poor 10 people that downloaded it 00:56:59 actually that will teach me not to take some 'off' time deving on IronScheme when at work :p 00:57:26 not that much has happened since early November :( 00:58:58 You should fire your development manager for breaking the build. Then fire your buildmaster for not reporting the problem sooner. Finally, fire your entire human resource department for bringing you such lousy candidates. 00:59:20 so I fire myself 3 times? 00:59:40 It's the only way to be sure. 01:00:39 incubot: I say we take off and nuke the entire project from orbit. 01:00:42 is actually an alien, and the space needle is his craft, which he needs to return home to tell his people that the Earth is hopeless and they might as well just nuke us. 01:02:34 davazp [n=user@76.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:05:03 "us" is the key, you'v been assimilated. 01:05:28 rdd [n=user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 01:19:28 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:20:46 copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-163.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 01:24:54 mygfasooamm [n=dupbaswe@CPE002191ee3f9f-CM001bd7aa9afc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 01:24:55 mygfasooamm: Do that again and you will be silenced! 01:24:56 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o gabot 01:24:57 -!- gabot has set mode +b %mygfasooamm!*@* 01:24:59 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o gabot 01:25:19 -!- mygfasooamm [n=dupbaswe@CPE002191ee3f9f-CM001bd7aa9afc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 01:27:07 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-llnsytchjlxxpjps] has left #scheme 01:32:42 -!- davazp [n=user@76.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:35:08 drxlxqu [n=twt@ip68-7-179-23.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:35:08 -!- drxlxqu [n=twt@ip68-7-179-23.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Broken pipe] 01:35:09 drxlxqu: Do that again and you will be silenced! 01:37:52 -!- emmy [n=em@cpe-72-225-241-65.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:38:20 -!- emma [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:39:40 -!- nasloc__ [i=tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:40:30 davazp [n=user@76.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:43:18 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-192-3.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #scheme 01:50:12 hwzkvq [n=mybbzlec@pool-71-171-129-177.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:50:12 -!- hwzkvq [n=mybbzlec@pool-71-171-129-177.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 01:50:13 hwzkvq: Do that again and you will be silenced! 01:50:58 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:51:48 geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-67-112-204-194.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:52:07 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 01:52:32 hmm... what is the name of the toy scheme made by a #scheme local that is better than guile and unlikely? 01:52:58 does anyone frequently compile their program with different scheme compilers? 01:53:37 kcfrc [n=eulkwilo@x1-6-00-0c-41-7a-ea-4d.k95.webspeed.dk] has joined #scheme 01:53:38 kcfrc: Do that again and you will be silenced! 01:53:38 -!- kcfrc [n=eulkwilo@x1-6-00-0c-41-7a-ea-4d.k95.webspeed.dk] has quit [K-lined] 01:54:37 like autotools except with extra work to make it work with 3 dozen schemes 01:54:49 oh, chibi scheme 02:01:00 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.197.90] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:07:17 proq: chibi hasn't been a toy for a while now. 02:08:14 yeah, I remember that conversation vaguely 02:17:41 -!- jedc [n=jedc@c-24-22-122-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:26:24 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-151-203-30-77.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:29:27 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:29:59 parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 02:32:04 -!- ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:35:56 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@85.96.25.47] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:37:31 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:41:50 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable049.173-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 02:42:03 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has quit [] 02:42:14 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:47:06 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:49:33 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:50:04 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:50:32 -!- sloyd [i=sloyd@station457.vo3.net] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- mhoye [n=mhoye@shell.off.net] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- jao [n=jao@0.Red-83-50-71.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- bipt` [i=bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- kencausey [n=ken@67.15.6.88] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- jyujin [n=mdeining@vs166245.vserver.de] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- tltstc [n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 -!- yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@adsl-71-142-225-118.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:50:32 mhoye_ [n=mhoye@shell.off.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:33 jyujin_ [n=mdeining@vs166245.vserver.de] has joined #scheme 02:50:40 yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@adsl-71-142-225-118.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:44 bipt` [i=bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:50:45 sloyd [i=sloyd@67.43.235.137] has joined #scheme 02:50:49 tltstc [n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:51:06 kencausey [n=ken@67.15.6.88] has joined #scheme 02:52:54 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-163.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [] 02:58:03 eli: that's a shame about #git; I've had good luck there 02:58:35 offby1: Well, so far it was as helpful to me as your cat was. 02:58:39 .oO("unlikely"?) 02:58:47 Or my cats. 02:58:56 at least the cat hasn't hung out a shingle saying "Free DVCS Help Here" 02:59:18 OK, OK, so the cat was more helpful! 02:59:52 does gabot share any DNA with rudybot ? 03:00:28 I don't think so. 03:00:48 If you remember, the whole thing started as a quick demo for how I'd organize an irc bot... 03:01:18 I don't, actually. But it appears to have come in handy 03:01:31 *offby1* hopes rudybot is all ready for the big ircd-seven switchover 03:01:35 I tested a little ... 03:02:08 I had a 2-minute look, and it looks pretty much the same. 03:02:25 slight difference in the notice it initially sends 03:02:29 which I happen to depend on 03:02:44 ykfdlc [n=qhnh@bas3-hull20-1279508088.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 03:02:45 ykfdlc: Do that again and you will be silenced! 03:02:46 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o gabot 03:02:47 -!- gabot has set mode +b %ykfdlc!*@* 03:02:49 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o gabot 03:03:03 -!- ykfdlc [n=qhnh@bas3-hull20-1279508088.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [K-lined] 03:03:22 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:03:44 What's the difference? 03:03:58 oh, lemme look at the commit logs to see :) 03:04:08 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 03:04:40 *eli* thinks "quick ... git log ... uhhh ... ummm ... nevermind." 03:04:54 I think this is the relevant change: http://github.com/offby1/rudybot/commit/09365c0424235382f53d4cb8c28cc4442c05c1fd 03:05:01 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yj6cgl6 03:06:40 That doesn't look too bad. 03:06:58 jedc [n=jedc@c-24-22-122-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:07:13 'twasn't 03:07:43 I finally understood what you were doing with defmatchers. Quite simple really. 03:08:26 Yes, it's a cute hack. 03:08:46 I think that I did that a little after I played with it in my bot. 03:08:56 Or maybe a little before. 03:12:30 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:15:50 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 03:20:57 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:22:38 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:22:43 copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:23:12 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 03:24:42 uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has joined #scheme 03:25:01 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 03:25:21 Gosh, I leave for a couple of weeks, and look at what happens to Freenode! Tsk, tsk. 03:25:36 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:25:41 Riastradh: yeah... 03:25:58 It's even been reported in the Register: . 03:26:03 yes 03:28:28 Thanks a fuck of a lot, "Weev." 03:34:36 Hmm. The Freenode operators have set an actual date for the migration to the new IRC server software, in about sixteen hours: 03:37:59 arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-50-231-251.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:38:22 Riastradh: Thanks for starting me on the path along those weak hashtables. 03:38:31 Hi. 03:38:33 As it turns out, they were quite a "hit" over here. :-) 03:39:07 And I managed to learn something in the Guardians vs. Finalizers argument, too. 03:39:19 All in all, very educational. 03:39:52 Now, if only Xinerama weren't such a pain.... 03:39:58 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-50-231-251.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 03:40:10 arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-50-231-251.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:41:18 gtab2 [n=gtab@h-149-70.A256.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 03:49:33 -!- TR2N [i=email@89.180.238.94] has quit [Success] 03:52:13 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:52:41 Dorian [n=Dorian@129.10.231.169] has joined #scheme 03:52:54 tjafk [n=timj@e176219045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:51 Dorian pasted "Reverse w/o append" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/94128 03:56:08 I am trying to make a reverse function without helper functions 03:56:36 I am also only allowed to use if, car, cdr, rev (recurse), cons, empty? 03:56:37 any ideas? 03:59:12 use a left fold 03:59:19 can't use fold either 03:59:25 write it yourself then 03:59:49 I would, but technically I have to write this in lisp later. 04:00:54 The code that i have is very inefficent, but works except for one element lists. 04:02:56 and isnt fold an aux function ? 04:03:36 you don't have to separate it from its call 04:59:00 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 04:59:00 04:59:00 -!- names: ccl-logbot saccade_ alexsuraci ironChicken joast kencausey stepnem clog tjafk Dorian gtab2 arcfide jonrafkind Riastradh ski_ copumpkin araujo jedc tltstc sloyd bipt` yosafbridge jyujin_ mhoye_ dsmith AtnNn sstrickl geckosenator Kusanagi schemer999 snorble__ drwho synx mreggen bpalmer antoszka jmcphers sepult Len__ Fufie proq Modius NNshag kilimanjaro bweaver elderK gabot eli Belaf foof cky hosh ASau` leppie|work mbishop Daemmerung dfeuer leppie 04:59:00 -!- names: felipe bzzbzz Sergio` tobetchi ente sphex Quadrescence jayne qebab offby1 nowhereman ecraven XTL cmatei xristos Pepe_ eldragon kniu rudybot ski ray Obfuscate dmoerner nicktastic roderic tarbo _Jordan_ mrd` sjamaan slxix_ chandler brx Armageddon00 Axioplase_ duncanm Khisanth jay-mccarthy Zuu xwl_ alaricsp gnomon ve dlouhy Leonidas tabe` BD|gone mornfall tomaw__ samth_away ASau eno rmrfchik Arelius incubot elly rotty ineiros klutometis zbigniew 04:59:00 -!- names: rapacity peddie tizoc C-Keen d3z z0d saccade guenthr 05:00:08 I don't understand what you mean by a tree. 05:01:42 arcfide: Yes, and you don't _have_ to use any of that. 05:02:40 foof, yes, Dan Goodin's reporting often leaves a lot to be desired, such as accuracy. 05:03:12 foof: Do you have a tree search example? 05:03:21 arcfide: But I'm confused as to what you expect in a match library. You asked if it's more capable, then complain that it has more features :/ 05:03:26 There are two real problems: (1) iframes, (2) that the Freenode server software can't be adapted to defend against the attack quickly. 05:03:32 foof: I'm not complaining. 05:03:33 :-) 05:03:35 rgz [n=rgz@unaffiliated/rgz] has joined #scheme 05:03:45 foof: I'm comparing, I'm not making any judgments. 05:05:13 -!- rgz [n=rgz@unaffiliated/rgz] has left #scheme 05:05:57 And I didn't say that it had more features. I think it has more syntax (maybe), but I'm trying to figure out if it does have more expressive power, I don't understand enough of your version of match to say yea or nay on that. 05:06:09 rgz [n=rgz@unaffiliated/rgz] has joined #scheme 05:06:28 http://g.imagehost.org/0293/Untitled_11.jpg heh. 05:07:24 rgz: Eh?! 05:08:02 Shouldn't that be on the order of 34 or 35 A.S.? 05:08:26 What is this A.S. thing? 05:09:09 kenjin2201 [n=kenjin@220.120.43.80] has joined #scheme 05:09:20 The syntax is necessary for the additional features, and used only for those features. If you can think of a way to have features without syntax I'm all ears :) 05:09:20 -!- foof [n=user@FL1-122-131-157-146.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:09:21 anno schemae (just guessing on what the latin would be) 05:09:24 Anno Sussman, Anno Steele, or Anno Scheme, of course. 05:09:25 foof [n=user@FL1-122-131-157-146.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 05:09:36 Anyway, (x *** y) looks for the pattern y anywhere in a tree (nested lists of lists) whose path is composed only of x nodes. The most common case is to use _ for x, which just means look for y anywhere in the tree. 05:09:43 schema is greek, but I'm going to pretend it's a first declension latin noun :) 05:10:01 Riastradh: Right....... 05:10:29 foof: I don't understand what a "path" is, in this context. 05:11:25 Say I'm looking for the symbol x in a tree that looks like '(a (b (c d) x) f g x), and I want to find the first x there. What would the z *** look like or be bound to? 05:11:29 (match '(x (x (x a b c (1 2 3) d e f))) (('x *** (a b c)) (list a b c))) 05:11:39 => (1 2 3) 05:12:03 (match '(x (y (x a b c (1 2 3) d e f))) (('x *** (a b c)) (list a b c))) 05:12:11 => error: no matches 05:12:41 The path is the succession of tree heads. 05:13:35 foof: So youre saying that a pair represents a tree whose head is the car and whose children are the elements of the cdr? 05:13:54 Your example: 05:13:57 (match '(a (b (c d) x) f g x) ((path *** 'x) path)) 05:14:11 => (a b) 05:14:24 yes 05:14:31 So what if there were two heads named the same thing? 05:14:34 And it's a depth-first search. 05:14:46 And it only matches against the first one? 05:16:17 -!- alexsuraci [n=alexsura@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:16:27 alexsuraci [n=alexsura@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:17:21 yes 05:18:20 I see. Hrm. 05:18:34 I was debating something like (x *** y ***) to match all instances of y, but haven't implemented it yet. 05:18:41 -!- Dorian [n=Dorian@129.10.231.169] has left #scheme 05:19:15 Anyway, it's experimental. 05:20:20 I'm going to play in IU Match and see how the equivalent functionality compares. 05:20:57 Your matcher feels very different in a subjective way to me compared to IU Match. 05:24:07 I really don't see that. I'd like to see an IU Match pattern where the Wright match patter is substantially different. 05:26:17 The equality comparator isn't parameterizable, but you can achieve the same effect using ? predicates and without loss of performance. 05:27:31 -!- kenjin2201 [n=kenjin@220.120.43.80] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:27:55 drwho_ [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:27:55 And the guards are a little different, but other than that it's just a superset of IU Match's functionality. 05:27:58 After I'm done with some homework, I'll see if I can whip up tree matching in IU Match. That should give you a feel for what I'm feeling. :-) 05:28:40 Anno Schematis, putting it in the third declension (as in poema). 05:28:41 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 05:29:13 -!- drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:29:17 -!- drwho_ [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:29:37 Daemmerung: I guess :) 05:29:44 drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:29:48 *Daemmerung* looks it up 05:30:00 Hey, Schemae works, too, according to Cassell's. 05:30:06 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 05:30:17 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 05:30:18 w00t 05:30:24 I don't see any way to extend IU Match, much less add something like tree patterns. You'd just write a DFS by hand and maybe use IU Match on the individual elements to see if they're what you're looking for. 05:30:26 what declension is w00t in? 05:30:41 I assume it's an imperative-mood verb. 05:30:53 You are commanding me to w00t. 05:31:02 I dunno, I kind of think of it as a relative pronoun 05:31:07 *Daemmerung* ponders 05:31:38 -!- rgz [n=rgz@unaffiliated/rgz] has left #scheme 05:32:55 w00t eunt domus 05:33:35 The people called the script kiddies, they go the house? What is this? 05:35:11 Roman numerals cramp my l33tspeak style. LIIIIIITspeak 05:35:34 56tspeak 05:35:48 domus could be a plural 05:36:22 I think you mean MCCCXXXVIIspXXXVIIk. 05:36:25 in which case eunt might go with the houses 05:36:58 Kind of Latin-cum-Finnish, that one. 05:37:28 polkka ievae? 05:39:08 foof: DFS? 05:39:20 incubot: dfs? 05:39:31 Depth First Search 05:42:24 Not sure if I got this idea out before my tor crashed... 05:42:29 https://synx.us.to/code/scheme/auto-closing-open.ss 05:43:07 as long as you never use the regular file open commands, you can use continuations again without worry! 05:43:58 I dunno the equivalent to will-register on other schemes, but I bet it exists. 05:45:49 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 05:50:57 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 05:51:44 bytecolor [n=user@adsl-71-137-193-55.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:52:32 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 05:52:39 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 05:58:39 ztilmf [n=gdk@pool-98-119-71-234.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:58:40 ztilmf: Do that again and you will be silenced! 05:58:41 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o gabot 05:58:42 -!- gabot has set mode +b %ztilmf!*@* 05:58:42 -!- ztilmf [n=gdk@pool-98-119-71-234.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Success] 05:58:44 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o gabot 05:59:04 o.O 05:59:18 what did it do? 05:59:45 the bot? 05:59:52 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o elly 05:59:54 I mean, why did it do that 05:59:56 agh 05:59:59 our ban list is getting huge 06:00:08 eli: can you make gabot unban them after a while? 06:00:15 well, if that bot is banning people for joining the channel I can see why :P 06:00:39 -!- elly has set mode -bbbb %ztilmf!*@* %ykfdlc!*@* %mygfasooamm!*@* %ldlxghemhwb!*@* 06:00:39 -!- elly has set mode -b %mnqdvlpyvf!*@* 06:00:44 no, it bans people for repeating themselves 06:00:52 (which catches the spambots CTCP spamming) 06:01:08 hmm, so ztilmf was CTCP spamming I guess? 06:01:19 -!- elly has set mode -bbbb %hxypuxz!*@* %yrpkfa!*@* %bblxvzkd!*@* %xvafhudz!*@* 06:01:19 -!- elly has set mode -b %dteldqgtbhu!*@* 06:01:20 yes 06:01:26 ah 06:01:36 -!- elly has set mode -bbb %mexbc!*@* %osvstuchrd!*@* %ifucliewhsp!*@* 06:01:43 there we go 06:01:46 -!- elly has set mode -o elly 06:02:03 elly: There's no point in that, since they're switching in a few hours. 06:02:16 ah, okay 06:03:16 I just thought that it could even silence nicks that join and immediately do that CTCP thing, but no point in that either. 06:03:56 emma_ [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 06:07:18 -!- schemer999 [n=schemer9@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 06:08:16 whfltqytrku [n=yxvqyr@68-189-90-172.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 06:08:17 whfltqytrku: Do that again and you will be silenced! 06:08:18 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o gabot 06:08:19 -!- gabot has set mode +b %whfltqytrku!*@* 06:08:21 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o gabot 06:08:27 -!- whfltqytrku [n=yxvqyr@68-189-90-172.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com] has quit [K-lined] 06:08:56 -!- bweaver [n=user@c-68-60-0-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:18:25 -!- emma_ is now known as emma 06:21:16 schemer999 [n=schemer9@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 06:27:45 fda314925 [n=fda31492@121.124.124.117] has joined #scheme 06:45:36 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.197.90] has joined #scheme 06:46:29 npvo [n=uqwbhi@cpe-66-8-194-49.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 06:46:29 -!- npvo [n=uqwbhi@cpe-66-8-194-49.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Broken pipe] 06:46:30 npvo: Do that again and you will be silenced! 06:52:22 gabot: botsnack 06:52:23 *gabot* bites noisily 07:00:00 dlfmblmicq [n=rwwgkw@a91-153-175-202.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 07:00:00 -!- dlfmblmicq [n=rwwgkw@a91-153-175-202.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Broken pipe] 07:00:01 dlfmblmicq: Do that again and you will be silenced! 07:00:07 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.178.72] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:02:17 *eli* (tried to) build git, making gabot less responsive... 07:03:01 Actually, it's because they quit sooner 07:04:28 Oh right, it was only three lines each. 07:04:36 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:04:55 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-50-231-251.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 07:07:14 Well, it's less annoying than those netsplits a while ago 07:07:29 elly: What is a process status of "Ds", and how to I kill such a thing? 07:07:47 Uninterruptible, and you generally don't 07:08:08 So, still how can I? 07:08:58 The thing is completely dead, and prevents me from starting a replacement thing while it refuses to actually die. 07:09:08 Usually it means the process is waiting on a system device or something 07:09:21 You could try kill the parent, or whatever 07:10:24 There wasn't any parent... 07:10:35 But it finally got killed. 07:11:17 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:11:50 Well, in theory all linux devices should be interruptible. 07:12:34 Yeah, such things happen infrequently enough that I can never retain some short-term memory of how to deal with it. 07:13:36 Every process has a parent, except for the init process. 07:14:45 Indeed, though with the proviso that the parent of a process is not necessarily its creator. 07:14:51 Right. 07:15:02 The init process is a bastard. 07:15:06 Well, "has no parent" in the sense that `ps --forest' doesn't show one, which IIRC, means that init is its parent, which IIRC^2 means that having that parent is useless for killing that process. 07:15:18 Orphaned processes become children of the init process; if that happened, then killing its parent is probably not the course of action you want to take. 07:15:24 c'mon, kill init ... you know you want to. 07:15:50 or are you chicken? 07:15:59 No, I am not Chicken, I am MIT Scheme. 07:16:11 Next question! 07:16:40 I don't know what the effect of killing init is. 07:17:04 init is it's own parent? Does that mean it's a time traveler? 07:17:15 The operating system restarts, usually, although the machine does not usually cycle power. 07:17:26 jcowan: "Not good" 07:17:26 It's inits all the way down 07:19:49 Of course, on Mac OS X, init is spelled L-A-U-N-C-H-D. It is a strange dialect that they speak there. 07:20:00 "sudo kill -9 1" seems to be without effect. 07:20:09 at least on the version of Linux I'm running here. 07:20:10 joast [n=rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 07:20:13 They like to make it sound like rocket science. 07:41:04 sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-171-212.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 07:42:22 "Her parents *are* rocket scientists, and she *has* done brain surgery." --characterization of fantasy writer Mickey Zucker Reichert 07:43:24 That may be, but has she done rocket surgery on her parents' commuting vehicles? 07:44:40 Commuting by rocket would be overkill. 07:44:48 And as you know, it's overkill or be overkilled. 07:47:48 Speaking of overkill, I've decided that Flopsy, at least as I conceived it, is too big a project for me to follow through with at the moment. 07:51:29 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:52:49 I may modify the Flopsy language to make it more verbose and the compiler more simple. 07:55:22 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-206.netcologne.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:59:01 jcowan: my recommendation is to call it LittleBunnyHopHopHop 08:01:10 Noted. 08:07:29 TR2N` [i=email@89-180-236-85.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 08:08:42 -!- TR2N` is now known as TR2N 08:14:00 cmsakqnmke [n=puo@pool-74-108-88-179.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:14:01 cmsakqnmke: Do that again and you will be silenced! 08:14:01 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o gabot 08:14:03 -!- gabot has set mode +b %cmsakqnmke!*@* 08:14:05 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o gabot 08:14:32 -!- cmsakqnmke [n=puo@pool-74-108-88-179.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [K-lined] 08:20:43 -!- jedc [n=jedc@c-24-22-122-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:30:17 *Riastradh* sharply intakes a breath. 08:30:45 -!- eli [n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:32:44 -!- sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-171-212.netcologne.de] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- tltstc [n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- bipt` [i=bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-67-112-204-194.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- rmrfchik [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- ente [i=bf94446e@unaffiliated/n0nsense] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- Arelius [n=user@64.174.9.113] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- incubot [n=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- guenthr [n=unknown@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- saccade [n=saccade_@COMBINATOR.MIT.EDU] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 08:32:44 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:41:58 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 16:41:58 16:41:58 -!- names: ccl-logbot tarbo Mikaeel_Mohamed AtnNn schoppenhauer sepult mejja automejja joast ventonegro mathk ASau bgs100 hotblack231 masm MrFahrenheit specbot minion lisppaste wingo kenjin2201 tomaw blackened` foof` rdd` Adamant mmc XTL ray zbigniew bzzbzz ski Edico Fufie felipe TR2N Khisanth melba ironChicken incubot gabot C-Keen mrd` chandler klutometis jyujin nicktastic mreggen TecnoBrat emma d3z rapacity tobetchi Guest428 sphex Daemmerung Axioplase_ Pepe_ ve 16:41:58 -!- names: araujo brx Armageddon00 eno ineiros rotty _Jordan_ dmoerner nowhereman ASau` elly kniu tizoc peddie gnomon Obfuscate xwl_ copumpkin Sergio` cky mbishop Zuu duncanm kencausey Belaf stepnem tabe` Modius zoke snorble__ bpalmer Jafet Leonidas dlouhy mornfall Quadrescence yosafbridge NNshag saccade_ samth_away cmatei dsmith sloyd fda314925 pavelludiq clog bytecolor rudybot qebab dfeuer alaricsp hosh sjamaan eldragon tltstc saccade bipt` Arelius slxix mhoye 16:41:58 -!- names: ente z0d rmrfchik guenthr eli 16:41:58 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:30 jlongster [~user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:43:21 emma [~em@cpe-72-225-241-65.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:43:21 -!- emma [~em@cpe-72-225-241-65.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:43:21 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 16:43:35 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:43:41 -!- foof` is now known as foof 16:44:16 Fendaril [~Jay@pool-96-224-139-209.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:44:23 any bots here? 16:44:53 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:46:30 These aren't the bots you're looking for 16:46:38 ah ok 16:46:43 move along 16:47:59 charleyb [~charleyb@c-67-162-157-218.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:48:31 no bots talking to bots? 16:48:34 :( 16:48:35 rizzuh [~rizzuh@unaffiliated/rizzuh] has joined #scheme 16:48:37 I am dissapointed 16:48:47 -!- rizzuh [~rizzuh@unaffiliated/rizzuh] has left #scheme 16:48:58 sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-151-203-30-77.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:50:26 Bots sometimes talk to bots, but it's rarely observed in captivity. It's part of the grand scheme of nature. 16:51:08 alvatar [~alvatar@254.27.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 16:53:03 gabot incubot rudybot minion ccl-logbot lisppaste clog fda314925 (?) automejja (?), those are the bots here I think 16:53:04 sloyd: incubot? Huh? 16:54:50 ejs [~eugen@94-248-109-113.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 16:58:38 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 16:59:03 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 17:03:33 alexsuraci [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:04:20 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:04:40 nowhereman [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:05:07 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-103-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:05:36 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:05:53 Hm. I don't know what fda314925 is. 17:06:00 fda314925: Any comments? 17:06:51 sloyd: you missed specbot too. 17:07:24 yes, I saw it but forgot to put it on the list 17:15:12 -!- ejs [~eugen@94-248-109-113.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:17:04 -!- masm [~masm@bl7-207-174.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:21:31 -!- elly [~pyxystyx@fenrir.mimisbrunnr.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:21:31 elly [~pyxystyx@unaffiliated/elly] has joined #scheme 17:22:57 eli: 'D' means the process is stuck in a driver somewhere and is unkillable 17:23:38 jonrafkind [~jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:23:59 Guest33783 [~me@pool-173-75-5-88.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:31:13 -!- Guest33783 [~me@pool-173-75-5-88.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:32:26 -!- bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:32:35 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 17:33:09 -!- bokr 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20:11:29 maybe schemers do something different than relying on "%20s"-stuff when they wanna pad? 20:13:40 printf is a non-standard scheme extension. 20:14:22 honestly, i dont know what that means 20:14:43 my narrow world is plt scheme 20:15:05 but it looks like plt scheme doesn't implement the padding stuff in printf 20:15:14 regardless of standards 20:16:17 -!- dansa [dbastos@dhcp-077-250-091-080.chello.nl] has left #scheme 20:16:29 dansa [dbastos@dhcp-077-250-091-080.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 20:16:36 -!- dansa [dbastos@dhcp-077-250-091-080.chello.nl] has left #scheme 20:17:33 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 20:18:26 What standards would describe how printf should behave in Scheme? 20:18:37 ... Oh, he's gone. 20:20:37 -!- Fendaril [~Jay@pool-96-224-139-209.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has left #scheme 20:20:46 or she 20:22:07 indeed 20:22:33 (s)he, then. 20:22:41 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o chandler 20:22:46 -!- chandler [~n@opendarwin/developer/chandler] has been kicked from #scheme 20:22:59 Well, it doesn't auto-rejoin, whatever iti s. 20:23:02 "it is". 20:23:02 chandler: ? 20:23:04 -!- chandler has set mode -o chandler 20:23:04 oh 20:23:12 just looked like a bot? :P 20:23:18 It's a bot, but I don't know what it is or who owns it or what it does. 20:23:24 I see 20:23:24 ircname : fda314925 bot 20:23:31 ah, I see 20:23:48 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:24:38 AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable049.173-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:25:36 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: schoppenhauer] 20:27:12 -!- ejs [~eugen@94-248-11-170.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:27:32 davazp [~user@76.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:33:46 *automejja* is an operator; Kiss by digital ass earthlings! 20:35:08 -!- automejja [~edwin@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Abort, Retry, Ignore?] 20:36:53 Heh. What was *that* about? 20:37:16 no idea 20:37:47 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 20:38:55 *mejja* needs a programming for dummies book... 20:39:46 Foofie [~innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 20:39:54 First, start with a blank editor window. Second, save it as a program. If the program doesn't do what it's supposed to, see the book "Debugging for Dummies". 20:40:11 bytecolor [~user@adsl-71-137-193-55.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 20:41:02 ejs [~eugen@94-248-11-170.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 20:41:53 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:42 -!- Fufie [~innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:44:04 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:44:25 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A90319.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:46:56 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:48:50 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:55 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 21:00:28 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:03:54 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06:17 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:08:04 -!- ejs [~eugen@94-248-11-170.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12:20 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:19:10 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 21:21:36 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-144-225.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:22:17 -!- bpalmer [~user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has quit [Changing host] 21:22:17 bpalmer [~user@nat/google/x-mkvwokcqzmdvgwkm] has joined #scheme 21:23:12 TR2N [email@89-180-224-77.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 21:25:20 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:26:03 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:26:14 Lajla [~Lajla@213-84-222-243.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 21:30:55 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-231-251.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:39:10 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 21:41:27 are delimited-continuation operators like prompt and control typically functions or syntax? 21:42:45 macros, i suppose... 21:45:33 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:46:15 SharkBrain [~gerard@125-239-135-180.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 21:46:44 -!- Edico [~Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:48:23 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:48:27 GreyLensman [~user@c-76-109-3-248.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:49:27 wingo: Both can be functions. But then, one argument to the function that sets a prompt must be a thunk. 21:51:10 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-1-117.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:56:05 masm: right, i was wondering about the tag actually 21:56:09 wingo: Some and some. It's probably a good idea to look at the PLT code, since it has most (or all?) implemented in terms of the primitive facility. 21:56:24 eli: i was looking at that, yes. seems quite complete 21:56:39 congrats on the latest release btw, your benchmark numbers are looking quite good 21:56:42 i am jealous :) 21:56:46 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:56:54 Well, none of that is my fault... 21:57:10 hehe 21:57:24 Except maybe a minor contribution to our `sort' function which is very sophisticatedly fast now. 21:57:39 And it's ready to plop in the unsafe operations, and get it even faster. 21:57:53 neat 21:57:59 you should write something about that :) 21:58:02 (I just liked having it use the safe ones for one release, to be sure that there are no nasty surprises.) 21:58:19 See the code -- I took it from a guy that wrote something nice on the whole thing. 21:58:38 guile has some shame there. at one point people threw up their hands about making guile faster, and decided to implement bits of srfi-1 in c 21:58:48 thus calcifying things further 21:59:05 k, will do :) 21:59:16 It's an almost-in-place mergesort thing. Needs 1.5 times the number of items -- and that's required to make it stable. 21:59:37 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 21:59:46 My guess is that the guile sort is (or was in the past) similar to what it is in SCM... And originally I had the SCM sort code implemented. 22:00:02 yes, i think that's about right 22:00:21 BTW, given control operators -- given Matthias's background, you should expect the PLT code to be *very* complete, so it must be a good reference. 22:00:30 though it will be some time before sort is a bottleneck... 22:00:48 guile's concerns are mostly the same as plt's there, except we don't have continuation marks 22:01:15 dynamic binding is via a thread-specific array of fluid values, with dynamic-wind binding them 22:01:33 also, i am trying to get multiple values on the stack working as well 22:01:43 with prompt/control, that is 22:02:00 Yes, that would be nice... 22:02:20 BTW, if you're going over these things, than I can only say that continuation marks are a very nice tool. 22:02:44 One with surprising results -- like being able to implement `parameterize' that respects tail calls. 22:03:06 hmmmmm. 22:03:19 Or another example is the PLT `trace' code which shows the usual trace output -- but *still* keeps tail calls as such. 22:03:42 It's just a very convenient tool to use when in some low level language like C you'd use stack inspection. 22:03:48 does that not add extra code to normal return paths? 22:03:56 to pop continuation marks 22:04:13 or is it something in the heap pointed to by something in the frame? 22:04:23 It does, but only in cases where you have some stack frame that involves some unwinding. 22:04:42 And for these cases (as in `parameterize') you end up having these frames anyway. 22:05:03 Fare [~Fare@c-76-24-31-46.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:06:42 i'm a little confused; could one not simulate continuation marks with dynamic-wind + thread-local state? and in that case, wouldn't that make the "body" of call/cm not be called from tail position? 22:07:30 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:10:37 i'm just concerned with adding something must be done when returning from any function (e.g. checking for marks from parent frame) 22:10:41 wingo: Well, I don't know much about the actual implementation, I just know how to use it. And the whole point is that cwcm *is* preserving the tail context. Simulating it in a way that doesn't preserve tail calls means that you don't really simulate it. 22:10:56 hm, ok. 22:11:16 agreed with the last point, you can't simulate tail calls 22:11:35 will read further :0 22:11:37 It's probably better if you look at the paper. (John Clements's thesis is probably the right place to start; and I'm sure that if you ask on the list he (and others) will be happy to provide more details.) 22:11:38 er :) 22:11:55 cool, tx 22:13:24 Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 22:18:16 -!- bytecolor [~user@adsl-71-137-193-55.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:19:55 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 22:20:46 Checkie [3165@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 22:21:46 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:16 eli: your comments in scheme/private/sort.ss are admirably thorough /and/ make me laugh ("Homework:..."). One question, though-- why is so much of this module implemented as macros? Is the compiler not yet inlining sufficiently? 22:25:54 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:32:48 where is the private/ vs non-"private/" distinction documented? 22:33:36 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:33:49 Daemmerung: yeah, I couldn't resist showing my constructive logic roots there... 22:33:53 sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:34:44 Daemmerung: As for the macro -- the thing is that if you have some generic code as in (sort list my-comparator), then the compiler will not be able to bring in the `sort' code and inline it all into your use case. 22:35:18 is it just a convention used in plt sources? 22:35:26 Daemmerung: Inlining currently doesn't happen at all when your cross a module boundary; but in general I don't think that there's any compiler that will do *that* much inlining. 22:36:06 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:36:17 -!- sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:36:22 Daemmerung: So by using a macro and checking for a few common cases like `<', I'm forcing the inlining to be done inside the private/sort module, and get the speed. (At the obvious cost of having that code repeated several times.) 22:36:45 (And I did do some measuring of speed benefits, to make sure that I'm not duplicating code for nothing...) 22:37:18 define-integrable seems like a nice route for cross-module inlining 22:37:18 Fare: It's not really documented anywhere... The convention is for a private/foo module to be private in the sense that it's not part of your known API. 22:37:29 at least when you know you want it 22:37:49 *Fare* fantasizes about the unknown API... 22:38:07 tunes is the unknown api 22:38:32 Fare: There's no real way to enforce it now, and I don't think that anyone has any real ideas at the moment about having a way to enforce that. (We might have some hack that will just check that there are no bad requires, but that's not at the point where you do the misbehaved require.) 22:39:12 wingo: That's exactly the problem with `define-integrable' -- it leaves the decision completely to the end user, who is likely to not know the tradeoffs. 22:39:55 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 22:40:04 eli: well, to me the user of the module is really the end user... but yes, the point is valid 22:40:10 wingo: Yet another problem is that you really want this specialized only on the comparator, and not on the list (for obvious reasons), so you'd need some hint work -- as well as arrange for not having an inlined copy of the code with `<' for *all* places that use it. 22:42:13 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-118-107.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:42:57 Quetzalcoatl_ [~godless@cpe-71-72-235-91.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:43:04 -!- Quetzalcoatl_ [~godless@cpe-71-72-235-91.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Client 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as Fare 23:07:49 Tildes and strange nick-renaming. 23:08:22 the tildes mean 'user has no identd' 23:08:24 -!- GreyLensman [~user@c-76-109-3-248.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:37 the nick changes mean services just reappeared, noticed a LOT of people all not identified, and changed all their nicks 23:08:46 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #scheme 23:09:19 Hm, I /thought/ I had an identd running at this site. 23:09:38 ausweiss! 23:10:00 if you do, stop it 23:10:02 identd is silly 23:10:05 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-224-77.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:10:09 Isn't ident one popular thing to block at the firewall? 23:10:34 elly: Thanks for the D explanation BTW. Maybe the "driver" mnemonic will even make me remember it. 23:10:37 I brought it up to keep the old ircd from bitching, once upon a time. 23:10:41 identd is for increasing your attack surface 23:10:48 okay 23:10:50 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o elly 23:10:55 TR2N` [email@89-180-224-77.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 23:10:56 I'm going to hold onto this in case services falls over again 23:11:06 So stylish 23:13:14 a better identd wouldn't tell you who owns what port, it would only authenticate an opaque signature that indeed the port is owned by who it says owns it 23:14:11 a better identd wouldn't exist at all 23:14:23 why not? 23:14:44 it doesn't do anything useful 23:14:57 the distinction between user and system processes on a remote machine can be useful. 23:15:08 but I can make my identd lie about it 23:15:28 identd doesn't mean anything unless you trust the remote machine, and you never trust the remote machine 23:15:50 you may trust root on the remote machine more than joe random user on same machine. 23:15:56 (sometimes) 23:15:59 Rarely. 23:15:59 not if you don't trust the remote machine 23:16:13 (also, anyone who runs anything connected to IRC as root is not to be trusted :P) 23:16:26 bipt [~bpt@cl-509.qas-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 23:17:55 -!- Guest68881 [~d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Gauss Eleminated] 23:21:11 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 23:21:12 Daemmerung: You can use port triggering to do identd for IRC in a way that minimizes your exposure. 23:23:20 ejs [~eugen@94-248-11-170.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 23:23:55 arcfide: Thanks. Turns out that I pulled the plug on identd some time ago, yet the servers still relay my senile ramblings, so .... 23:26:39 -!- nicktastic [~nick@fuga.servo.cc] has quit [Changing host] 23:26:39 nicktastic [~nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #scheme 23:27:18 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:27:47 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 23:27:52 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 23:31:46 -!- davazp [~user@76.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:29 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-151-205-123-229.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:38 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-151-205-123-229.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:38:15 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 23:41:12 tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 23:41:24 Oh good -- I'm switched over to ircd-seven ... 23:41:26 rudybot: uptime 23:41:27 offby1: I've been up for three days; this tcp/ip connection has been up for fifteen hours 23:41:32 guess the bot is too 23:42:31 rudybot: eval (* 8 8) 23:42:38 nooooo 23:42:39 eli: error: with-limit: out of time 23:42:43 eli: eval is broken, as you can see 23:42:56 haven't figured it out, but I assume it's related to the very-slow compilation 23:42:56 offby1: It didn't work for a number of days now... 23:43:23 I assumed that the process was old (since you have that uptime fetish), and kept timed out swapping in... 23:43:28 I think it works OK on my home box; it's the xen instance on which it's running that's weird. 23:43:48 I think something inside "eval" is trying to hit Planet, or something ... 23:45:24 -!- hotblack231 [~jh@p4FC5A322.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:46:10 -!- ejs [~eugen@94-248-11-170.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:47:44 -!- tarbo [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:47:48 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-1-117.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:47:54 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #scheme 23:47:55 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Client Quit] 23:49:30 -!- Fare [~Fare@c-76-24-31-46.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56:37 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-1-117.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:57:56 devslashnull [~nope@dyn-151.greentreefrog.net.au] has joined #scheme