00:02:48 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:03:06 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p4FC5A727.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:05:19 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-206-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:05:42 masm [n=masm@bl7-206-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 00:07:09 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-206-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:07:24 masm [n=masm@bl7-206-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 00:07:25 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:08:05 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-206-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:08:22 masm [n=masm@bl7-206-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 00:10:30 -!- fda314925 [n=fda31492@121.124.124.117] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:10:41 -!- erg [n=erg@69.93.127.154] has quit ["Changing server"] 00:11:01 fda314925 [n=fda31492@121.124.124.117] has joined #scheme 00:11:41 morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 00:12:28 I got two functions, one takes a function as a argument, and the other returns a function. 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02:49:24 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:49:31 plt barfed on it, petite cant find srfi-9, scheme48 barfs on 100 vars, mit-scheme cant find srfi-9, are all the scheme implementations really this different? 02:49:45 I thought I was writing 'portable' code ;) 02:50:45 bytecolor: Yes, they're all that different. :-P 02:51:11 To load SRFI 9, in PLT, (require srfi/9), in Guile (use-modules (srfi srfi-9)), and others, I don't know. :-P 02:51:16 So, you can see the two have nothing in common. :-P 02:51:44 hrm, I'm only using 3 srfi's 9, 13 and 69, and R5RS define-syntax 02:51:51 Ohh I forgot about guile ;) 02:53:04 cky: what's that load case form? where you can modify based on the implementation? #plt #guile hrm... 02:53:20 is that an srfi as well? 02:56:16 -!- blackened`_ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 02:56:36 bytecolor: require-extension is SRFI-55 02:58:26 It's supported by default in chicken, gauche, guile and sisc, at least. 02:59:11 ok 03:05:51 emma__ [n=em@cpe-72-225-241-65.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:06:31 -!- emma [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:07:32 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:08:49 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:13:54 emma [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 03:15:31 -!- emma__ [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:18:01 geckosenator [n=sean@69.226.133.43] has joined #scheme 03:18:19 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 03:18:49 what do you think of my scheme program having both client and server capability and sending scheme expressions over tcp sockets to be evaluated 03:19:50 so a client can tell the server to do even somewhat complex stuff 03:20:15 I need it evaluated in the default environment though 03:21:49 nowhereman [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:49 -!- nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:22:33 geckosenator: So what if the client told the server to run ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x)))? 03:23:07 then the server dies I gues 03:23:23 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:23:34 Okay, I just wanted you to decide if that was acceptable. :-P 03:23:37 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-1-100.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:23:39 well 03:23:44 I suppose I could use threads 03:23:45 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-1-100.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 03:23:59 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 03:24:07 but then I cant use set! anymore can I? 03:24:21 So you see, it's a lot more complicated than meets the eye. :-P 03:24:53 well I know! 03:25:02 I can use call/cc on the eval 03:25:13 and then trigger a signal handler on timeout 03:25:19 and call the continuation 03:25:24 would that work? 03:25:45 In theory, yes. But, you would have to think about how the timeout would be implemented. 03:25:56 implementation specific 03:26:07 Like, would the timing be done by another thread? If so, how would it signal the execution thread? 03:26:33 some schemes provide a way to call a continuation for a different thread right? 03:26:40 *cky* really needs to get back to work, but hopefully it'll give you some ideas to think about. 03:26:48 *cky* can't comment on your last question, sorry. :-( 03:26:52 well for now I am not going to safeguard it 03:27:05 since it is the same program 03:27:11 and if it breaks then its a bug 03:27:15 Hahahaha. 03:27:45 I think this is so cool 03:27:58 I can register a callback locally or remotely the same way 03:31:01 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 03:32:35 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:36:15 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:41:29 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@69.226.133.43] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 03:41:34 geckosen1tor [n=sean@69.226.133.43] has joined #scheme 03:43:02 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:45:42 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:49:15 -!- drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:52:41 tjaway [n=timj@e176204163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:52:42 nutmegmagi [n=swalters@static-72-91-30-22.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:57:26 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:01:31 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:01:35 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:02:31 -!- bytecolor [n=user@32.158.70.242] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:05:51 -!- foof [n=user@FLH1Ahp052.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09:01 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176193131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:11:06 leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-orzcyjqtnwisnfbx] has joined #scheme 04:11:22 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 04:14:12 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:14:18 Foofie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 04:15:40 I want to pass a continuation across the network 04:15:59 like over tcp or something 04:17:02 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:17:03 I believe that plt has serializable continuations. 04:19:02 ok 04:19:30 http://docs.plt-scheme.org/web-server/stateless.html#(def._((lib._web-server/lang/abort-resume..ss)._call-with-serializable-current-continuation)) 04:19:46 -!- JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 04:20:55 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:21:16 also, I think termite can pass any scheme value between nodes.. 04:22:21 sorry... it turns out it can pass any serializable value. 04:23:12 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:24:27 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Success] 04:25:31 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-27-47.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:28:35 who else here implements queues using continuations? 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I, too, never noticed that. Syntactic band-aid, kind of like let-and*. 07:28:05 wait, let-and*? 07:28:12 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:28:22 where's that? 07:28:50 Srfi 2. I boogered the name: and-let*. 07:29:24 PLT is like cleaning out your aunt's basement. God knows what-all you'll find down there. 07:29:27 holy crap 07:29:33 I've wanted that form (and-let*) FOREVER 07:29:49 das64 [n=das@adsl-67-124-39-87.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 07:30:19 For anybody who doesn't want their right margin at column 8192 -- yeah. 07:30:44 I am trying to install mit-scheme with the intention of working through SICP. I compiled the portable c code. When I try to run the built-in editor, I get the following error: ;Can't find any usable display type. Any ideas how to fix this? 07:30:58 what's your $TERM? 07:31:12 xterm 07:31:16 (does someone here know mit-scheme?) 07:31:29 (Not me. mejja! Ria! help!) 07:31:43 riastradh has forsaken us in our hour of need 07:31:51 Alas. /weeps 07:32:18 I'm actually new to scheme. I am trying to set it up, with the intention of working through SICP. Any suggestions besides mit-scheme. Ideally, I'd like something that I can use with SLIME + emacs23, since that's what I'm used to. 07:32:35 -!- bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:32:35 das64: you might want to return in a few hours. We have a couple of mit-scheme diehards, but they're not present at the moment. 07:32:43 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 07:33:02 stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #scheme 07:33:14 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:33:14 SLIME is sadly not an option with Scheme. There is an embryonic Gambit SLIME, but it's not yet ready for primt time. 07:33:28 Or even for prime time. 07:33:33 -!- bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit [Client Quit] 07:33:38 print time! 07:33:43 kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 07:33:44 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 07:34:30 Is there anything comparable to SLIME for scheme, that allows interaction within emacs? 07:34:44 quack? 07:35:04 das64: Most schemes support interaction via a submode of comint. 07:35:06 it's nowhere near slime, but better than nothing 07:35:20 Gambit is my canonical example. 07:35:56 mzscheme works, too, but you'll have to take steps to force it into pure R5RS compliance mode. 07:36:21 And I don't recall those steps, else I'd volunteer them (mzscheme being a very fine Scheme). 07:36:40 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 07:38:09 das64: it's not slime, but it works well enough. (require 'xscheme), M-x run-scheme 07:38:09 Set scheme-program-name appropriately, then invoke run-scheme. Pretty sure that cmuscheme.el is loaded by default. 07:38:47 http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/QuackMode 07:39:04 The quickest way to run plt in r5rs mode is to run `plt-r5rs'. 07:39:23 I had issues with Quack, but they were fussy issues. You'd probably be fine. 07:40:15 *stassats`* is working on gauche slime module, but it's not ready for prime time as well 07:40:30 Daemmerung, elly: re that `nest' thing (which I implemented and opinions where not uniform about it), it's a kind of a generic `*' macro -- it can convert a `let' into a `let*', as well as others. 07:40:32 I have been using xscheme since I couldn't get mit-scheme's editor to work. One thing I miss is a REPL. Does quack have easy REPL access? 07:41:03 das64: M-x run-scheme provides a REPL 07:41:35 stassats`: Gauche needs more love here. You go. 07:42:40 -!- sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-79-112-195.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:42:43 Thanks everyone for these suggestions. I'll give these a shot and hopefully I'll be working through SICP shortly. 07:42:57 das64: IIRC, Quack just uses the normal inferior scheme thing that Emacs comes with. 07:43:18 Which is not a bad thing at all. 07:43:31 das64: edwin is pretty much the same as emacs with xscheme 07:43:49 (I wouldn't know... I'm mostly a plain `M-x shell' user.) 07:43:59 (Golly.( 07:44:03 ()) 07:44:41 cmatei: In that case, I probably won't spend too much time figuring out this ";Can't find any usable display type" that I'm getting 07:44:45 (I just assumed... interactive.ss and all... again, Golly.) 07:45:26 If I need anything fancy enough that I can't get it conveniently with a shell, then (IMO) using a REPL is a potential waste of energy in writing code that is likely to get lost. 07:46:45 -!- das64 [n=das@adsl-67-124-39-87.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:46:46 I did consider something that is module aware -- it would be pretty easy to make some evaluate-expr thing that would be sensitive to the current file you're editing, but I have a similar opinion at these attempts at interactive REPL-based code developement. 07:48:31 I would settle for a quasi-drscheme in Emacs instead of drscheme's inadequate Emacs emulation. 07:49:37 The drscheme model itself, that's fine by me. The actual keybindings and input focus, less so. 07:49:48 That has existed in the past -- it was called `drscheme-jr'. 07:49:54 jrdr 07:50:04 eli: REPL is usually used to test code, not write it 07:50:46 Daemmerung: Anyway, doing that kind of stuff would be nearly trivial, since the sandbox is a kind of an abstraction of the important guts of drscheme. 07:50:54 it could be used to write it 07:51:09 Daemmerung: All you need is to deal with the different contexts and switching the subprocess into one of a few active sandboxes. 07:51:57 geckosen1tor: you can shoot yourself in the foot, no problem 07:51:58 Sadly, I have to little-red-hen ("and who will help me mill this wheat?") that idea. Already overextended. 07:52:32 wait, SHARED? This is bogus 07:52:33 stassats`: Believe me, I know *very* well how REPLs are used... And I have the same opinions about testing on the repl -- if it's important enough, than each test on the repl is potentially one less test in your test suite, which I learned to appreciate as something that is almost as important as the code. 07:52:41 If I have seen further than others, it is because I have crouched beneath the crotches of giants.... 07:53:25 eli: there was this paper about recording repl interactions into tests 07:53:42 stassats`: To that I can only reply with "yeah yeah"... 07:54:32 it would be easy to add this to slime 07:55:31 Add what? Recording a repl? Why is anything more needed than saving+editing the buffer? 07:56:18 because it isn't convenient? 07:56:39 What's inconvenient about it? 07:57:07 ecraven [n=nex@octonex.swe.uni-linz.ac.at] has joined #scheme 07:57:11 because i'm not into TDD? 07:57:32 Then how is slime going to help you get in it? 07:57:45 i don't want to 07:58:00 *eli* can't parse these answers anymore. 07:58:10 The idea is to easily create tests after the code is written 07:58:13 i wrote some code, run it in the repl, and hey, it did what i expected, i say "remember this" 07:58:44 I guess the point is that answers should be separated into test conditions? 07:58:53 stassats`: You can't say that, of course. 07:58:55 it's no substitute for proper tests, but may help too 07:59:06 You need to record the whole session. 07:59:17 You need to record the kind of equality you're looking for at each point. 07:59:48 If you expect a result to be "foo" -- then how is that expected -- via `eq?' or `equal?' ? 08:00:39 Not to mention that copy-pasting tests from the repl can usually lead to pretty bad test suites -- ones that check what the code happens to be doing rather than what the API is expected to be. 08:01:25 (The best example of this (which I see very frequently) is ending up with an `equal?' test for some function result that needs set equality.) 08:01:26 as i said, this is not a substitution 08:02:10 What I'm saying is that it's not even "a little good" -- it's more effective at giving you a false sense of security in a broken test suite. 08:03:30 -!- NNshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-45-82-65-138-171.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:03:53 and your usual tests can't be broken? it's false everywhere, but to a different degree 08:05:06 My usual tests, when I write them, are very thorough, and definitely not broken in such ways. 08:05:54 schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 08:06:08 eli: what do you use for testing? 08:06:22 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-24-61-43-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 08:06:38 elly: A half baked macro, that I really need to turn into a library at some point. 08:06:48 can we see? 08:06:50 eli, you have to spend significant effort on the test suite to gain some degree of assurance 08:07:08 NNshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-37-82-253-19-166.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 08:07:08 elly: http://svn.plt-scheme.org/plt/trunk/collects/tests/eli-tester.ss 08:07:18 what stassats` wants is basically a _free_ check for trivial regressions 08:09:30 MichaelRaskin: Yes, I know that you need significant efforts. The point is that you *need* these efforts -- there's no free lunch. Such record-your-repl-as-a-test-suite are just as easy to write as a crappy test suit, hence my question re saving the buffer. IOW, it would take me 10 seconds to record a quick keyboard macro that tweaks a recorded repl session file into tests, and the results will be matching in crap 08:09:30 pily levels. 08:10:24 sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 08:10:45 if it helps to find you one bug, it's worth doing 08:10:56 eli, saying that you need this effort means requiring all the code to be written using the same methodology and the same QA method and level 08:11:11 No, and no. 08:11:21 holy crap, eli, your macro is large 08:11:39 (elly: Too big for no good reason...) 08:11:43 There are tons of trivial regressions that are caused by passing parameters in the wrong order and such things 08:13:39 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:14:03 MichaelRaskin: I didn't say anything about writing the code. The only point is that a proper test suite requires effort because you need to do some reasoning at the API level of your code. Questions such as the above (`eq?' vs `equal?' vs `set-equal?'), if forces you to think about testable results that are part of the api you want to guarantee vs some result that is coincidental, and may very well break even thoug 08:14:03 h the api is the unchanged, and the list goes on and on. 08:15:14 *elly* should test a lot more than she does. 08:15:39 (elly: IIUC, you'll get a very good dose of that in your future workplace.) 08:16:34 eli, internal APIs for trivial things are not always worth designing in medium-sized programs 08:16:34 There's nothing like maintaining some 15-year-old code to appreciate *good* tests. (As well as to appreciate the uselessness of some random recorded repl session.) 08:16:49 heh 08:16:50 (She will also learn to love the heroes who are paid -- PAID!! -- to test her code. Oh, such a luxury that I miss.) 08:17:04 currently I own the tests for our OS class, even! 08:17:16 they are alright, but it is difficult to unit-test a kernel 08:17:18 MichaelRaskin: There are *always* APIs. Always. Even just the arity of a single function is already some API. 08:17:22 eli, I guess there is - understandable function names or comments 08:17:25 -!- drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:17:27 wingo [n=wingo@11.Red-81-38-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 08:17:38 eli, you did not understand what I stated 08:17:51 I should also learn to use a) the contract system and b) typed scheme 08:17:57 I said that they are not worth designing - they can be just let to emerge 08:18:18 MichaelRaskin: I very extremely much disagree with that. There is *no* good function name that will let you easily debug code you wrote 15 years ago as well as a test suite. 08:18:58 eli, I have seen many fine testsuites which add nothing to my understanding of the code 08:19:01 TR2N [i=email@89-180-129-93.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 08:19:33 is there a decent tutorial for the contract system? 08:19:39 They're not tools for understanding code -- only to insure that it is robust. 08:20:53 Now, you claim that everybody *must* invest *tons* of effort in ensuring robustness of all the code written. Great approach, until code has to rely on something already less robust than you wish 08:20:58 MichaelRaskin: Also, what is this nonsense about "emerging an API"? If it's *your* code only, and you nobody else sees it, then maintenance is your own problem. As far as everyone else is concerned, it doesn't exist. But if you have people use your code, then you already have an API, like it or not. (Or, if there really is no API, then you should be shouting at your users to not to be users.) 08:21:26 eli, there is external API and internal APIs 08:21:33 MichaelRaskin: I have definitely not claimed that everybody must invest any efforts in anything. 08:21:52 sphex__ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 08:22:14 here is that paper http://www.cs.aau.dk/~normark/laml/papers/unit-testing.pdf 08:22:47 MichaelRaskin: If your internal apis are ones that only you see, and you have some illusions about not needing as much attention at that level, then you're in for some surprises. 08:22:57 eli: is there a good intro to PLT contracts somewhere? 08:23:08 (the PLT documentation for them is, well, the PLT documentation) 08:23:28 *Daemmerung* stones the heretic 08:23:40 -!- sphex [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:24:20 elly: Did you try http://docs.plt-scheme.org/guide/contracts.html ? 08:24:26 eli, the question is whether their purpose is trivial 08:24:49 eli: ah, I always forget that there is a guide as well as a reference :P 08:25:45 Any code specification is as trivial as the code. (The curry-howard isomorphism demonstrates that relation very well.) So if the api (= specification) is trivial, then the code is likely to be trivial also, making the whole discussion pointless. 08:26:21 (Well, more like the implications of constructive logic rather than CH specifically.) 08:27:04 eli, the non-triviality may be embedded in the generally accepted domain language 08:27:15 -!- sphex__ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:27:26 sphex [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 08:27:43 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has left #scheme 08:28:56 Well, "this implements the following part of HTTP: ..." is a trivial specification not to misunderstand, but non-trivial to implement 08:29:34 -!- sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:32:25 Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 08:32:32 For some parts, "this implements the following part of HTTP" is very far from being a trivial specification. 08:33:27 Actually, s/some/most/ 08:34:55 mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 08:35:08 Guys, what's the standard convention for naming toplevel constants? 08:35:09 $constant 08:35:12 or +constant+ 08:35:19 ? 08:35:23 -!- elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has left #scheme 08:35:42 elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 08:36:06 Trivial not to misunderstand 08:36:14 I go and read corresponding RFC 08:36:17 elderK: `constant'. 08:36:44 No signalling characters? 08:36:45 -!- wingo [n=wingo@11.Red-81-38-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:36:46 It's just a name. 08:36:56 aye 08:36:58 well, good 08:36:59 :) 08:37:00 Thanks 08:37:52 The Common Lisp "earmuffs" signify, in CL, a dynamically scoped "special" variable. 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18:39:30 you dont 18:40:47 raf == "raft" minus the t, then kind == "kin" and then sort of pronounce the d, but its softer 18:41:14 not kind as in the synonym for nice 18:41:36 Weird, okay. 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Or a batarung, here. 20:30:28 -!- nowhereman [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:38:21 -!- stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:39:39 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #scheme 20:40:01 batawrang? 20:44:31 daemmewrung? 20:49:56 chiropractor-osteopath-pumpkin 20:50:03 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:50:19 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #scheme 20:50:28 -!- geckosen1tor [n=sean@69.226.133.43] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:51:14 -!- attila_lendvai_ [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:53:30 Daemmerung: the perfect comeback 20:57:56 -!- snorble [n=snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:58:39 *Daemmerung* leaves to have his neck Daemmewrung properly 21:00:25 jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:03:22 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A91AEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:03:37 -!- melba [n=blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:08:08 snorble [n=none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 21:09:03 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 21:19:08 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 21:20:29 emma [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 21:21:25 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:27:05 jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.137] has joined #scheme 21:27:53 This is an informal announcement in advance of the official one. Arthur Gleckler has resigned for personal reasons from the chairship of WG1. 21:28:14 Thank you for the announcement, jcowan. 21:28:49 The SC has made a list of proposed replacements and is polling them in turn, so we should hear something in a week or less. 21:29:10 "And I et that cook in a week or less, and as I eating be / The last of his chops, why, I almost drops, for a wessel in sight I see." 21:29:51 Pepe__ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:52 -!- Pepe_ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:31:49 WG1? 21:31:52 *mbishop* is out of the loop 21:32:25 The Scheme formerly known as "Thing One" 21:33:02 xristos [n=x@research.suspicious.org] has joined #scheme 21:33:51 nowhereman [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:34:19 jcowan: are the memberships of the WGs public? I can find nothing on scheme-reports.org. 21:34:30 *Daemmerung* hasn't been good about tracking this stuff 21:35:09 -!- Pepe__ is now known as Pepe_ 21:36:24 Oh, never mind. http://lists.scheme-reports.org/pipermail/scheme-reports/2009-October/000001.html 21:36:25 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/ylpwmza 21:36:25 *wingo* merged ffi into guile, whee 21:43:35 jao [n=jao@72.Red-213-98-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:51:20 Daemmerung: Not yet. Applications have been received and reviewed, but I believe the SC is still undecided about a few people. 21:51:52 mbishop: The working group intended to develop a "small Scheme language" for R7RS. 21:57:20 davazp [n=user@76.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:59:19 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:05:14 devslashnull [n=nope@dyn-151.greentreefrog.net.au] has joined #scheme 22:05:19 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 22:11:45 Personally I wish there had been more applicants. 22:15:03 perhaps they went shopping 22:17:15 geckosenator [n=sean@69.226.133.43] has joined #scheme 22:21:05 Even reading the mailing list archives gives me a headache. I'll find some other way to support the process. 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