00:00:23 cmerck [n=cmerck@nj-71-1-58-173.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #scheme 00:00:28 Evening all. 00:02:15 -!- awarrington___ [n=quassel@static-71-249-252-224.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:07:33 crypto [n=z0d@artifact.hu] has joined #scheme 00:07:57 -!- crypto is now known as Guest42234 00:10:28 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:12:26 More like late night here 00:12:39 Still, evening 00:14:52 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p4FC5AF1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:16:23 Guest59956 [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-135-88.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:18:50 -!- Guest59956 is now known as Khisanth 00:21:29 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 00:21:57 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:24:28 -!- davazp [n=user@205.Red-83-46-0.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:30:59 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A9327E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:37:34 thermal_ [n=thermal_@c-24-18-249-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:39:13 -!- thermal_ [n=thermal_@c-24-18-249-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:46:38 ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.206.219] has joined #scheme 00:48:39 KirarinSnow_ [n=kirarins@adsl-99-97-110-57.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:50:44 thermal_ [n=thermal_@c-24-18-249-200.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:50:51 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:53:24 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 01:08:11 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:09:07 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:10:24 -!- jlf` [n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:11:28 dmoerner [n=dmr@90-84.res.pomona.edu] has joined #scheme 01:13:22 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 01:14:10 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:15:23 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]"] 01:15:43 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:19:09 RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-55-161.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 01:21:07 arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-14-170.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:22:03 Good evening everyone. 01:22:06 How goes it? 01:23:59 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-161.vinet.ba] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:24:00 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:24:17 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 01:24:38 Good evening. Goes like coding for linux kernel at 4:30 am. 01:28:26 *offby1* offers Mr-Cat a cat treat 01:29:51 *Mr-Cat* wonders, what kind of treat 01:32:08 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 01:35:14 jlf` [n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #scheme 01:38:42 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:39:03 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 01:39:44 Hey arcfide! 01:40:02 elderK: Hello. 01:40:19 :) You said hello earlier, 01:40:21 so, 01:40:25 I decided to say hello back :D 01:40:32 How're you totday, man? 01:41:04 Oh, I'm a little unproductive, but other than that, it's good. 01:41:16 Going through the cheap tea that I received this Christmas. 01:41:19 It's all flavored greens. 01:41:36 I guess it brews fairly nicely, but it's not what I would call excellent. 01:42:03 -!- dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 01:44:44 -!- KirarinSnow_ [n=kirarins@adsl-99-97-110-57.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 01:46:41 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.206.219] has quit [] 02:00:19 caffeine  green tea ? 02:02:26 Yes. 02:02:44 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-135-88.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:03:18 arcfide: #tea :) 02:03:34 mbishop: Hah... 02:03:42 I don't want to get caught up talking about tea. :-) 02:03:55 aww, why not :D 02:04:04 *mbishop* loves him some japanese greens 02:04:13 mbishop: Right now I'm refactoring my presentation on foof loop. 02:04:14 But green tea has between 1/2 and 1/10 the caffeine of black tea. 02:06:57 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:11:21 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@83.222.166.125] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:12:35 *Daemmerung* puts the kettle on to boil 02:16:22 *offby1* hurls his green-tea-stained dentures at mbishop 02:17:00 Under Obamacare, I get as many dentures as I need. 02:19:04 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:21:03 copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-196.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 02:21:11 khisanth_ [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-135-88.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:23:07 -!- khisanth_ [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-135-88.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:25:59 offby1: Unless you're too old to matter. ;-) 02:35:48 khisanth_ [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-135-88.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:36:15 Some use too many tea bags in their tea :) 02:38:48 parolang: Should you even use a teabag at all? :-) 02:38:57 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 02:45:28 arcfide: definitely not 02:46:05 -!- khisanth_ [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-135-88.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 02:47:52 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@64.146.161.228] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:47:56 Daemmeru` [n=goetter@64.146.161.228] has joined #scheme 02:50:29 -!- elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:54:59 optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 02:55:06 how do schemers use RAII? 02:55:11 or is RAII not necessary in scheme? 02:57:50 I suspect the latter; I forget what it means, exactly. 02:57:55 -!- Daemmeru` is now known as Daemmerung 02:58:01 We have garbage collection, so for many things, we don't need to worry about deallocation 02:58:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAII 02:58:28 for other things, like file handles, there are typically macros named "with-something-or-other" that take care of releasing the resource for you 02:58:44 rudybot_: help call-with-input-file 02:58:44 *offby1: help [], version, quote, source, seen , uptime, t8 ..., init [], eval ..., give ..., apropos ..., desc , doc , later "tell" ..., join , part , tell ..., emote ..., for ..., ghost , nick , system ..., top-eval ... 02:58:46 rudybot_: doc call-with-input-file 02:58:47 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 02:58:47 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/file-ports.html#(def._((lib._scheme%2Fbase..ss)._call-with-input-file)) 02:58:53 optimizer: see that, for example 02:59:49 *Daemmerung* just shat all over the plt-scheme list. Thanks a lot, Thunderbird. 03:01:06 rudybot [n=luser@offby1.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 03:01:20 -!- rudybot_ [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:01:40 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:01:45 Christ it took a long time to bring up that new rudybot 03:01:59 rudybot: seen eli 03:01:59 offby1: No sign of eli 03:03:25 *eli* is insulted 03:03:42 rudybot: seen eli 03:03:42 optimizer: eli was seen doing ACTION: is insulted in/on #scheme seventeen seconds ago 03:03:59 rudybot: seen eli 03:03:59 offby1: eli was seen doing ACTION: is insulted in/on #scheme thirty-four seconds ago 03:04:02 hmph 03:04:17 rudybot: seen infamy 03:04:17 offby1: No sign of infamy 03:04:35 rudybot: seen ian 03:04:35 offby1: ian__ was seen in/on #emacs four weeks ago, saying "hmm...ok, I was trying to use a regexp because what i've got is a function that inserts a bunch of text determined by the function; not trying to wrap something i'm typing in. Will M-q or (forward-char 70) etc do that?", and then ian__ was seen leaving the channel in/on #emacs four weeks ago 03:04:37 hmph indeed "doing ACTION: is insulted" is yodaspeak. 03:05:36 -!- nutmegmagi [n=swalters@pool-71-101-160-3.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:17:10 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 03:19:28 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-55-161.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:19:45 RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-55-161.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 03:19:53 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:23:44 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:34:54 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 03:35:44 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 03:36:59 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:38:40 -!- Sergio` [n=Sergio`@a89-152-187-193.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:40:25 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@64.146.161.228] has quit ["Smoove out."] 03:43:07 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 03:43:08 optimizer: To my knowledge, dynamic-wind can be used to implement a form of RAII. 03:44:05 optimizer: You call dynamic-wind with a before-thunk, a function, and an after-thunk. You use the after-thunk to do any cleanup necessary, and it's called when the function's scope is left for any reason. 03:45:13 optimizer: Because Scheme has continuations of infinite extent (meaning that you can save it in a global variable, say, and access it later), it's possible for the function to be reentered through the continuation. In that case, the before-thunk can be used to reestablish anything needed by the function. 03:50:31 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 03:53:11 nutmegmagi [n=swalters@static-72-91-30-19.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:53:21 cky: I assume that's what the "call-with-*" forms do 03:55:08 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:56:19 offby1: Yes, they do. 03:56:52 offby1: But C++ programmers implement their own custom cleanup procedures very frequently (that's why RAII is so big in C++), so, knowing dynamic-wind is very useful. 03:57:54 -!- X-Scale is now known as TR2N 03:58:10 bombshelter13b_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 03:58:46 Some examples of RAII being used: 1. mutex locking/unlocking. 2. Reference count increment/decrement. 3. Transaction acquisition/commit/rollback. 03:59:03 I don't like dynamic-wind much as a cleanup routine. It forces you to write in CPS form pretty much, especially when used for a one time cleanup. 03:59:52 in fact, hm... 03:59:58 khisanth_ [n=Khisanth@pool-151-205-123-229.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:27 -!- cmerck [n=cmerck@nj-71-1-58-173.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:00:28 I think Riastradh has a rant about misuse of dynamic-wind, but I forget the gist of it 04:00:59 offby1: If it's posted somewhere on mumble.net (or anywhere else for that matter), I'd love to read it. :-) 04:01:47 http://mumble.net/~campbell/blag.txt ? 04:02:22 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-14-170.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 04:02:24 copumpkin: Thanks. :-) (Google turned that up as the 3rd hit.) 04:04:19 -!- jlf` [n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has left #scheme 04:06:43 Huh. I'm opening about 2 million files now without any problem running out of file descriptors, and just letting them close automatically. 04:07:34 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:07:45 synx: `dynamic-wind' certainly does not make you write in CPS form. 04:08:19 cky: To save you the searching, the gist of it is that `dynamic-wind' will call the pre/post thunks on every entry/exit instead of just once. 04:08:27 synx: that's surprising; I've never tried it, but I figured a) your typical scheme doesn't gc file descriptors quickly; and b) your typical OS only allows a relatively small number of open files 04:08:38 eli: *nods* I thought that was a feature, not a bug. :-) 04:08:41 eli: It has made me, in the past. Because I can't use a continuation to jump out of the block, instead I must explicitly pass a "next" routine, to act in the context of the dynamic-wind. 04:08:48 maybe I'm just not good at it... 04:08:54 offby1: well that's the trick, hold on... 04:08:55 https://synx.us.to/code/scheme/auto-closing-open.ss 04:09:14 Should be obvious how to generalize that to something besides /dev/null 04:09:34 If you (collect-garbage) only when it runs out of descriptors, you can't even tell there's a pause. 04:09:37 synx: That doesn't make sense. 04:10:04 cky: Well, in some cases, like openning a file for writing, it can lead to bugs -- like reopenning the file, deleting what was already written to it. 04:10:10 -!- timj [n=timj@e176207066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:10:27 timj [n=timj@e176220071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:10:33 eli: Right, but in other cases, like mutex locking/unlocking, or transaction stuff, that's very much desired. 04:10:44 easy enough to prevent those bugs, just set! a flag to raise an error... 04:11:07 yeah dynamic-wind is awesome for locking, and semaphores... transactions yes, as long as they're recursive. 04:11:33 -!- khisanth_ is now known as Khisanth 04:11:42 synx: :-) 04:11:53 cky: Questionable there too -- the basic problem is that continuations can break things unexpectedly -- for example, if you release a mutex on the way out, then you can break the code's assumption of being atomic. 04:12:15 synx: A flag is one common way to do that. 04:12:21 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:12:25 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-55-161.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:12:30 For some reason, this leads to a lot of verbiage in certain circles. 04:12:49 if you use CPS instead of using a continuation, your "next" step will happen inside the dynamic-wind, and no mutexes will be released... 04:13:18 cky: This is probably useful too -- http://www.nhplace.com/kent/PFAQ/unwind-protect-vs-continuations-original.html 04:13:20 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yc98f9o 04:13:35 (A little biased, but easy to spot bias.) 04:13:37 eli: Thanks, I'll check it out. :-) 04:14:28 parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 04:15:02 -!- bombshelter13b_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:15:34 I found myself wondering who Kent Pitman was, and why his name sounded familiar, then I remembered that he maintained the CLHS. 04:15:39 *cky* prepares to be corrected. :-P 04:15:51 uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has joined #scheme 04:15:57 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 04:17:50 cky: He is. 04:18:02 :-) 04:18:10 (So you should expect an outdated view of Scheme.) 04:18:19 Hehehehehe. 04:19:22 eli: that pitman thing is nicely written 04:19:25 IIRC, he sometimes answers macro questions on c.l.l with `defmacro'. 04:19:50 offby1: I just remember some bias-ness.... 04:20:36 oh, it might well be biased; I just meant it was easy to read 04:20:44 *offby1* is all for "easy to read" 04:21:06 *cky* sends offby1 the Denotational Semantics chapter of R5RS. :-P 04:21:22 er, yeah. 04:21:35 running out of TP in the guest bathroom, so it'll be quite handy 04:21:42 *lol* 04:21:58 Ah, there's also Dorai's thing. 04:22:19 (And Dorai knows about such kind of stuffs.) 04:22:37 What, dynamic-wind? Or denotational semantics? 04:22:40 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:22:40 I wonder about will executors really... it seems that if you want resources to be released as soon as possible, you'd just have one will for all resources. 04:23:30 http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/uwcallcc.may.15/uwcallcc.html 04:25:59 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-196.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [] 04:27:51 -!- JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 04:28:03 *reads* 04:34:56 huh, weird... 04:36:37 -!- SharkBrain [n=gerard@210.48.104.34] has quit ["leaving"] 04:36:54 Daemmerung [n=goetter@64.146.161.228] has joined #scheme 04:40:24 bombshelter13b_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 04:41:48 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 04:42:53 -!- re-l [n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:44:52 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:44:58 -!- bombshelter13b_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:45:27 -!- drwho [n=drwho@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:49:59 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 04:57:25 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 04:58:02 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [No route to host] 05:07:45 -!- devslashnull [n=nope@dyn-164.greentreefrog.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:09:41 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 05:10:25 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 05:11:48 devslashnull [n=nope@dyn-151.greentreefrog.net.au] has joined #scheme 05:18:40 Sergio` [n=Sergio`@a89-152-187-193.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 05:19:31 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:25:08 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 05:39:20 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:46:25 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:49:00 -!- xwl_ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:49:26 xwl_ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 06:01:48 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 06:04:39 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 06:11:54 -!- Foofie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:30:41 nego [n=nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:33:19 kenjin2201 [n=kenjin@220.120.43.80] has joined #scheme 06:38:53 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 06:56:19 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:07:40 sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 07:09:51 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:11:11 Fufie [n=poff@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has joined #scheme 07:19:47 -!- sphex [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:27:15 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 07:27:58 sphex [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 07:45:06 -!- sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:48:34 NNshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-43-82-249-181-47.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 08:00:27 -!- Guest42234 is now known as z0d 08:01:40 -!- Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-24-82-64-152-235.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:05:56 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:11:00 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["..."] 08:12:39 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-93-139.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 08:20:02 cky_ [n=cky@h-98-132-152-72.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 08:22:38 ada2358 [n=ada2358@pacman.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 08:24:37 -!- ada2358 [n=ada2358@pacman.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 08:24:47 nutmegmagi1 [n=swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:30:19 -!- JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 08:30:36 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 08:32:58 https://synx.us.to/code/scheme/auto-closing-open.ss 08:33:18 I tweaked it a bit. 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15:20:48 eli: github may well be the easiest way. 15:20:49 foof: Well, I need to have it locally, since it's pretty big as it is, and I may need to rebuild it every once in a while. 15:20:54 offby1: ^ 15:21:14 but git clone ssh://[user@]host.com/path/to/repo.git should work 15:21:18 I hear gitolite is the new hotness 15:21:23 It's been running for about 3 hours, and did 7k revisions -- about a third. 15:21:32 haven't used it, but its author is a stand-up guy 15:22:02 foof: The idea is to make it public... 15:22:23 Jafet: (That's the plt repository, which I'm pulling from *svn*, btw.) 15:22:25 eli: I'm not sure what you mean by 'rebuild', but if it means what I think it means, it'll be inconvenient for anyone who blindly pulls from it. 15:22:46 then you want git:// but I don't know what you need to do to setup the server 15:22:49 Ah -- new uuids, which means regetting everything? 15:22:54 yep 15:22:59 Ugh. 15:23:00 if by "uuid" you mean "SHA1" 15:23:13 "Some unique id thing" 15:23:19 why do you expect to rebuild it? 15:23:24 eli: If readonly is ok, ask mario-goulart. He set up the Chicken git repo to work over http. He also may know how to secure a host's ssh so users have git write access but no shell 15:23:26 -!- dfeuer_ [n=David@pool-71-178-171-65.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:23:34 ...which git is so obnoxiously fond of, so they shove it in your face on every burp. 15:23:40 dfeuer [n=David@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 15:23:56 if it's just read-only, then just firing up "git-daemon" should do it. 15:24:16 sjamaan: I guess setting up an anonymous ssh would be one option. (I know how to deal with such things.) 15:24:42 But if it is useless to rebuild, I might as well play with it to see that it works fine, and dump it on github. 15:24:49 -!- hkBst_ [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:24:52 Why do you need the rebuild anyway? 15:25:35 Because I just follow random instructions on random web pages, so I'm likely to find new problems with what I did now. 15:26:01 Doesn't github have some sort of "convert existing svn repo" option to let them take care of it? 15:26:10 that'd be slick 15:26:33 launchpad has that option (but that's bzr, not git. OTOH, maybe you can do bzr->git more easily) 15:26:36 sjamaan: But then they need to pull the whole thing off of http, which will be much slower. 15:26:51 eli: who is "they"? 15:26:52 I see 15:27:12 offby1: github -- if I let them grab the svn repo. 15:27:27 BTW, right now I'm running: 15:27:39 exec git svn clone file://.../plt -s --rewrite-root http://svn.plt-scheme.org/plt 15:27:46 Does this look fine? 15:27:52 dunno what "-s" and "--rewrite-root" do 15:27:59 sjamaan: if you get a second, do you mind doing a (use srfi-27)? it doesn't seem to work locally; not sure if it's just my machine 15:28:01 hkBst_ [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 15:28:10 klutometis: Not right now. Maybe tonight 15:28:14 IIUC, `-s' makes it assume the usual trunk/tags/branches thing, 15:28:16 sounds good 15:28:26 ah, I usually spell that --stdlayout. Gotcha 15:28:50 and --rewrite-root probably means "pretend that file:/// is really http:// ..." 15:28:51 and `--rewrite-root' is supposed to make the git repository refer to the http url, even though I'm using file:/ 15:28:54 Yes. 15:28:55 jinx 15:29:03 looks fine then 15:29:18 it's frustratingly slow, or at least, it was recently; there might have been a speedup 15:29:31 It still is. 15:29:49 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-73-88.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:29:51 If I tar the result up, then people can try it, right? 15:29:56 be thankful you're not doing this on Windows. it's unbearable. 15:30:00 yep 15:30:04 *sjamaan* idly wonders if noone's made a way to load 'svnadmin dump' files into git. That'd be much faster 15:30:09 it'd be a gi-normous tarball, though 15:30:17 (Windows would probably make it a fun two weeks...) 15:30:27 sjamaan: I think there is such a way, but it's for one-shot conversions only 15:30:32 Speaking about size, what does `git gc' do exactly? 15:30:46 I think it removes unreachable objects 15:30:53 Ah. 15:31:18 it's not very aggressive, though; it counts them as reachable if they're referenced in the "reflog", which you might not even know about. 15:31:34 Anyway, once this is done (and assuming it's fine), then -- IIUC -- it'll be pretty fast to get it to github, right? 15:31:57 I assume it's no faster or slower than shoving the bits anywhere 15:33:26 But it's isn't it supposed to be much less bits since it's "native" git, instead of using raw svn and converting it there? 15:33:36 well, sure 15:33:54 -!- hkBst_ [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:33:54 you'll probably find that the converted git repository is a lot smaller than the svn repository. 15:34:16 but still, the svn repository is pretty big, if I recall correctly. 15:34:24 Yes, it's not that big -- it's about 150MB for the 1/3 it did sofar. 15:34:25 hkBst_ [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 15:35:00 BTW, the svn repository is also not too big 15:35:09 it's 390mb. 15:35:13 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:35:30 oh. 15:35:34 I thought it was waaay bigger. 15:35:46 Perhaps because _I_ once tried "git svn clone" of it, and it took for-f***ing-ever. 15:35:55 It was always much smaller than a WC. 15:36:06 -!- lisptastic [n=user@cpe-76-177-227-49.natcky.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:36:24 That's pretty ironic 15:36:34 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 15:36:37 And that's without doing the svn 1.6 compaction thing, which shaves off about 40mb, iirc. 15:37:05 sjamaan: More than ironic -- it makes me hope that they'll find some way to do dvcs at some point. 15:37:50 Either that or the world moves away from svn 15:38:07 I think the latter's more likely anyway 15:38:27 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:38:50 I don't know, I still think that in terms of robustness they are unbeatable. 15:40:23 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:41:33 eli: hmm, apropos of nothing: require: PLaneT could not download the requested package: tcp-read: error reading (Connection reset by peer; errno=104) 15:41:51 peeeerrr presssuuurree 15:42:04 *offby1* slaps leppie upside the haid 15:42:31 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:43:30 offby1: Is that right now? 15:43:44 yep 15:43:44 ...as in the last ~10-20 minutes? 15:43:47 yep 15:44:06 So it might be because I'm running a build, which is pretty intense and might lead to timeouts? 15:44:12 *shrug* 15:44:19 wouldn't think so, really 15:44:37 I'd assume that the server part of PLaneT doesn't use much CPU 15:44:49 It is... 15:45:19 a plt web server, python junk, postgress, apache, and I think that it's all cgi. 15:46:38 cgi is killing 15:51:15 JohnnyL [i=excellen@ool-182f0b98.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 15:52:23 what's a good scheme implementation to use as a scripting language under a c++ environment? 15:56:29 What other constraints do you have? There are a lot of possible answers to that one. 15:56:44 JohnnyL: bigloo seems to work natively with c++, doesn't it? 15:57:15 I'm not sure that I'd actually recommend Bigloo, though. 15:57:36 bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:58:02 incubot: where are the snows of yesteryear? 15:58:06 this has all gotten so complex. 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I was expecting (2) to evaluate to the number 2 - what am I misunderstanding ? 18:02:42 What does 2(); produce in C/C++/C# or Java? 18:03:00 srp: If you ask the evaluator to evaluate (2), it will try to call a procedure named 2. 18:03:28 mario-goulart - I see 18:03:33 -!- schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:03:40 (actually, it will try to call the _value_ 2, which is not "callable" in most Scheme implementations) 18:03:57 Perhaps it should set IP to 0x00000002 18:04:08 with the appropriate casts, it will 18:04:15 and then you'll be sad 18:04:21 (in C, that is) 18:04:38 That's SOP in C. Sadness, that is. 18:05:33 Morning guys! 18:05:50 if you're really hardcore, Daemmerung, you have code mapped there anyway :) 18:06:40 I told u i was hardcore 18:10:26 SvekloA [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 18:10:34 -!- SvekloA [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:10:46 SvekloA [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 18:12:23 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@90-84.res.pomona.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:12:49 -!- lolcow [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:16:06 saint_cypher [n=saint_cy@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:16:59 cky_ [n=cky@h-98-105-60-0.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 18:18:08 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:18:17 -!- cky [n=cky@h-98-132-152-72.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:19:31 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 18:20:23 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-73-88.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:21:24 uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has joined #scheme 18:21:59 cky [n=cky@h-166-166-116-227.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 18:23:53 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:07 uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has joined #scheme 18:24:59 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-73-88.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:26:00 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit [Client Quit] 18:29:37 sphex [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 18:29:38 cky__ [n=cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:33:44 -!- jimrees [n=jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has left #scheme 18:35:28 -!- srp [n=srp@115.118.182.91] has quit [] 18:35:56 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-crltwahbshmibtdo] has joined #scheme 18:37:19 -!- cky_ [n=cky@h-98-105-60-0.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:37:25 mije [n=mije@tal33-5-88-181-16-209.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:38:31 -!- cky [n=cky@h-166-166-116-227.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:38:32 -!- cky__ is now known as cky 18:41:12 -!- linelevel [n=ticktack@208.65.172.155] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:41:13 hi, silence of the night 18:43:55 -!- saccade [n=saccade_@COMBINATOR.MIT.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:43:55 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-111-66-37.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 18:45:23 -!- sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:50:15 ecraven [n=nex@octonex.swe.uni-linz.ac.at] has joined #scheme 18:52:50 night? :-) 18:53:08 SucKman [n=mdione@lakshmi.inria.fr] has joined #scheme 18:53:10 -!- rotty_ is now known as rotty 18:54:20 -!- SucKman [n=mdione@lakshmi.inria.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 18:54:38 -!- mrd`_ is now known as mrd` 18:55:00 SucKman [n=mdione@lakshmi.inria.fr] has joined #scheme 18:55:17 -!- SucKman is now known as StucKman 19:00:38 cky_ [n=cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:01:35 yeah, night 19:02:07 saccade [n=saccade_@COMBINATOR.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:03:16 :P 19:03:27 Morninightaciousness, I believe the term is. 19:03:27 :P 19:03:39 :) 19:03:44 What we need is a day-night combinator :) 19:03:58 so say we all ! 19:04:07 Goooo Galactica! 19:04:08 :P 19:04:34 :p 19:05:01 -!- _nofear [n=maxwell@189.115.8.227] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:05:15 -!- cky [n=cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:05:16 -!- cky_ is now known as cky 19:08:24 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 19:08:53 -!- mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:10:29 Lumpy [n=Michael_@86.99.132.189] has joined #scheme 19:10:35 choas [n=lars@p5B0DCC25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:10:43 -!- Lumpy [n=Michael_@86.99.132.189] has left #scheme 19:14:12 hotblack23 [n=jh@p4FC5A2CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:20:08 hotblack231 [n=jh@p4FC5A7F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:20:48 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [] 19:22:22 SharkBrain [n=gerard@210.48.104.34] has joined #scheme 19:27:16 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 19:29:01 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:29:14 Foofie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 19:32:41 linelevel [n=ticktack@208.65.172.155] has joined #scheme 19:34:57 mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 19:38:04 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p4FC5A2CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40:46 -!- cky [n=cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:41:01 cky [n=cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:42:23 uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has joined #scheme 19:44:53 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:45:17 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:47:47 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58:31 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-245.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:58:44 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-245.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 19:59:13 bytecolor [n=user@32.159.128.6] has joined #scheme 19:59:26 -!- cky [n=cky@cpe-065-190-148-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["leaving"] 20:01:58 -!- erg_ is now known as erg 20:10:30 Belaf [n=campedel@194.209.131.192] has joined #scheme 20:28:32 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:28:38 -!- SvekloA [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:37:12 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:38:38 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 20:41:45 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:42:09 -!- bytecolor [n=user@32.159.128.6] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:15 I can't find conjugate in R5 or R6. Is it not defined? 20:54:25 arewenothorses [n=Adium@unaffiliated/arewenothorses] has joined #scheme 20:55:01 It is certainly not defined in R5. What is it? 20:55:10 -!- arewenothorses [n=Adium@unaffiliated/arewenothorses] has left #scheme 20:55:19 Complex conjugate of course. 20:58:32 rudybot: eval (conjugate 3+2i) 20:58:40 Daemmerung: error: with-limit: out of time 20:59:08 That's a tricky one all right 20:59:46 rudybot: eval (conjugate 'travailler) 20:59:48 Daemmerung: your scheme sandbox is ready 20:59:48 Daemmerung: error: real-part: expects argument of type ; given travailler 21:00:17 rudybot: eval (conjugate 3+2i) 21:00:17 Daemmerung: ; Value: 3-2i 21:00:25 jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:03:08 dfeuer_ [n=dfeuer@pool-71-178-171-65.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:30 -!- dfeuer [n=David@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:03:34 -!- dfeuer_ is now known as dfeuer 21:03:57 dfeuer_ [n=David@pool-71-178-171-65.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:10:46 copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-196.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 21:21:13 timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 21:21:19 Hello! 21:21:43 Does anyone know of a game engine that uses a form of Scheme for scripting? Or just a game library implemented in any implementation of scheme? 21:22:20 jlongster [n=user@c-76-127-22-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:27:09 timmcd: quantz is written in Scheme, if that counts :) 21:27:27 (it's not open source though) 21:27:53 I'm looking for tools to make games with ;) 21:28:08 htdw is about making games, but they're fairly simple so I don't know what the performance is like for that approach 21:28:47 ypsilon is used by its creators to make games, and it uses a concurrent GC to avoid pauses 21:30:24 -!- timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:30:44 I guess he's easily discouraged :) 21:32:47 I feel bad that I couldn't offer encouragement and guidance 21:32:55 quickly enough, I mean 21:33:30 Ah well 21:33:45 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-76-127-22-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:34:04 If you want to make games in Scheme I think you need some perseverance 21:34:20 It's not like everything's cut out already 21:34:40 I think you could say that without "in Scheme" 21:34:48 True :) 21:35:00 it would be nice to have SDL bindings as complete as PyGame though 21:36:05 Pretty sure that both Chicken and Gambit have SDL bindings. 21:36:14 perseverance: 1. steady persistence in a course of action, a purpose, a state, etc., esp. in spite of difficulties, obstacles, or discouragement. 2. Theology. continuance in a state of grace to the end, leading to eternal salvation. 21:36:47 incubot: eternal salvation 21:36:50 Well, before it was out, it was supposed to rock everyone, and be the salvation of the world. 21:37:21 weird 21:37:46 the Chicken egg for sdl describes itself as "alpha" 21:40:07 but, everyone and his/her dog seems to have OpenGL bindings 21:40:38 OpenGL is just bog-simple to bind, is all. 21:40:53 I guess that is to its credit 21:51:46 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:55:22 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:03:17 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-145-14.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:03:28 arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-145-14.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 22:07:18 Mikaeel_Mohamed [n=Mohamdu@rn--vse-1-1-a29.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 22:12:02 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit 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