00:00:44 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:01:31 -!- jao [n=jao@232.Red-83-50-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:04:03 Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has joined #scheme 00:10:08 jao [n=jao@232.Red-83-50-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 00:20:10 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:21:12 -!- srini [n=sundaras@fab04.cecs.pdx.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:34:26 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has quit [] 00:34:54 -!- davazp [n=user@205.Red-83-46-0.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:50:06 parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 00:57:21 arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-14-211-187.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:05:55 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [] 01:10:33 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-177.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:13:55 *mejja* is in favour of adding interval arithmetic to scheme seven... 01:14:55 -!- jao [n=jao@232.Red-83-50-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:17:36 *cky* thinks that would be neat. The question is, would intervals be part of the numeric tower? Also, would each bound support the full numeric tower, including complex numbers? 01:18:28 *cky* doesn't know enough about intervals to even know if intervals made up of complex numbers even make sense. 01:22:20 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:29:22 "Scheme Seven." I like it. 01:29:56 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 01:30:55 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 01:32:19 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 01:33:11 RnRS is more fun :) 01:34:55 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:38:57 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:40:06 No, really. It'd be like a super team: the Fantastic Four, the Fabulous (or Furious) Five, the Secret Six, the Scheme Seven. 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To what? 2. LGPL. 03:14:57 uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has joined #scheme 03:15:47 -!- saint_cypher [n=saint_cy@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:17:02 eli: to Chinese 03:18:41 chylli: That would be nice, but note that we currently have no support for various languages of some documentation... 03:21:17 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-177.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 03:21:32 eli: I'm just for studying scheme. So that's no problem to me. If you support later, I'm glad to give my work to you. 03:23:40 eli: sorry another question , I don't fund the source text of guide in svn trunk/doc, where is it ? 03:23:51 s/fund/find/ 03:24:20 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 03:25:34 chylli: ...plt.../collects/scribblings/guide/ 03:25:35 maybe the great firewall eat it... 03:27:19 -!- SharkBrain [n=gerard@210.48.104.34] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:27:23 mejja: you know the great firewall ? :p 03:27:29 eli: thanks 03:28:11 I'd be surprised if there was someone here who didn't know of it. 03:31:04 chandler: ... 03:37:32 SharkBrain [n=gerard@210.48.104.34] has joined #scheme 03:39:38 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 03:43:41 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:44:13 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 03:47:33 can scribble support utf8 like chinese code ? 03:48:12 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:48:34 I'd be surprised if there was any modern software that didn't support UTF-8. 03:48:41 (chandler snowclone :-P) 03:48:51 I read a story the other day, where the Internet became quasi-sentient by automata forming in all the lost packets. 03:49:14 During a national emergency China shut down all communication across their firewall, and this was exactly the stimulation needed to form a split-brained consciousness, one who could communicate with us... 03:51:57 cky: I mean, does the generated latex will be added something like CJK 03:52:52 tjaway [n=timj@e176217251.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:52:55 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 03:53:08 I haven't actually used Scribble, so I can't comment on its generated output, but, there are Chinese-capable TeX implementations around, so it's just a matter of hooking Scribble up to that, I hope. But I'm not the best person to comment on that. 03:54:43 cky: I think so. thanks 03:55:00 Good luck! 03:55:25 *cky* would like to do more stuff with Chinese, but I don't know very much Chinese, so. :-P 03:56:54 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:58:01 -!- Modius [n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:00:25 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 04:00:38 cky: I know very much Chinese, but I dont know how to do more stuff :p 04:01:28 :-P 04:01:56 All I know of Chinese is that the waitress at a local Chinese food place is /hot/. I should learn a 2nd language. 04:02:16 Prael: I hear that Rosetta Stone wants to sell you a Chinese learning programme. :-P 04:04:59 Prael: if you want to know of Chinese, play Shenmue 04:08:20 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176195009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:08:30 CheckNerd [i=9327@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 04:09:03 dnm_ [n=dnm@c-68-49-47-248.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:20:06 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-230-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:21:57 -!- Checkie [i=1463@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:21:57 -!- CheckNerd is now known as Checkie 04:24:51 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 04:26:34 -!- mdkess [n=mdkess@CPE00222d162100-CM00222d1620fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:27:18 -!- mhoye [n=mhoye@shell.off.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:28:50 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:30:23 mhoye [n=mhoye@shell.off.net] has joined #scheme 04:31:11 -!- JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 04:32:11 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 04:37:23 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 04:42:03 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 04:43:40 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-177.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:46:02 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:50:45 -!- SharkBrain [n=gerard@210.48.104.34] has quit ["leaving"] 05:07:46 Modius [n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:08:54 live4thee [i=983e2c35@gateway/web/freenode/x-hwiczmbgogwwlyjj] has joined #scheme 05:09:32 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:10:49 dfeuer [n=David@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 05:12:51 when I run scribble under collects/scribblings/guide :[chylli@arch guide] scribble --html guide.scrbl I got 05:12:51 default-load-handler: cannot open input file: "/usr/lib/plt/collects/scheme/flonum.ss" (No such file or directory; errno=2) 05:12:51 05:13:27 what should I do ? 05:17:17 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 05:18:56 chylli: You're probably mixing two versions. 05:20:12 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 05:22:21 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:23:32 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 05:24:17 eli: yes, but must I use the scribble in trunk to compile guide in trunk? 05:24:46 chylli: yes, it refers to new modules. 05:25:23 eli: thanks 05:26:35 nego [n=nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:27:30 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:30:33 alexsura1i [n=alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:31:28 -!- alexsuraci [n=alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:35:02 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-230-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:49:04 mathk [n=mathk@lns-bzn-52-82-65-124-116.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 05:52:56 -!- nego [n=nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 05:53:24 nego [n=nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:06:10 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 06:10:09 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:13:43 alexsura2i [n=alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:13:52 marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has joined #scheme 06:14:27 -!- marijn_ [n=hkBst@41.184.82.13] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:19:46 Localizing drscheme into Chinese would be a good test for it. 06:20:31 *elly* is explaining to a putative scheme programmer about the many implementations and feels vaguely bad about it 06:21:17 Ain't just Scheme. Think Sun's C compiler vs GCC vs Intel C vs Microsoft C vs ?. 06:21:22 gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 06:21:37 *Daemmerung* isn't sure that Sun has their own compiler, not any more 06:21:55 Daemmerung: yes, but there's no "de facto standard" to the extent that gcc is the de facto standard :P 06:22:15 I'm a Microsoft-hosted being. GCC is not my de facto standard. 06:22:27 that's really disturbing. 06:22:39 Sexy songs don't pay the rent.... 06:23:19 standards don't pay the rent either. 06:23:43 incompatibility is profitable, did you ever notice Daemmerung? 06:23:56 *Daemmerung* cackles fiendishly 06:24:00 There's no money in standardization, and conversely there's no standardization in money. 06:25:31 Seriously, if you think that the disparity of Schemes is bad, you should look at old C programs from net.sources and its ilk. 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And the message is full of sadness. :( and ): 16:58:38 yeah :P 16:58:46 :D I think it's a tale for the ages! 16:58:53 I mean, it has all the crucial points of a good story :D 16:58:57 Joy, Sadness, humor! 16:59:01 Start and an end! 16:59:02 :P 16:59:08 We're set to be majillionaires?! 16:59:10 it is sad of course because the schema for the request is supposed to go before the :, but it is amusing anyway :) 16:59:51 ~$ wget ':I checked your list of programming languages and I have one complaint' 16:59:51 :I checked your list of programming languages and I have one complaint: Scheme missing. 16:59:53 Here I get ":(+ 1 1): Unsupported scheme." 16:59:54 :P 17:00:03 Maybe it expects R6RS. 17:00:10 hee, maybe 17:00:20 -!- emma [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 17:00:35 emma [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 17:02:29 *elly* -> class 17:06:58 -!- Pepe_ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:07:18 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-254-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:10:13 -!- nicktastic [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:10:31 nicktastic [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #scheme 17:12:08 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 17:17:43 -!- bytecolor [n=user@32.153.99.13] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:17:53 bytecolor [n=user@32.153.99.13] has joined #scheme 17:21:52 -!- bytecolor [n=user@32.153.99.13] has left #scheme 17:25:27 -!- Checkie [i=9317@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:33:56 -!- jao [n=jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:37:48 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:43:50 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 17:46:43 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:03:57 d3z [n=davidb@arch.davidb.org] has joined #scheme 18:14:13 -!- mmc1 [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:14:25 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:16:15 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:19:54 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 18:20:35 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:32:39 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:34:49 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:42:15 I don't understand how to use the trace module in PLT. 18:44:14 I have created a file test.ss that contains only a module declaration with the factorial function defined and a call to it. If I run mzscheme -l trace test.ss I get nothing. 18:44:27 -!- antoszka is now known as nabuchodonozor 18:44:29 sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 18:44:57 -!- nabuchodonozor is now known as Guest48088 18:45:08 -!- Guest48088 is now known as antoszka 18:56:42 Pepe_ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:58:41 -!- sphex [n=nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:01:35 -!- mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:02:20 -!- _nofear [n=maxwell@189.115.3.102] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:03:04 mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 19:09:41 Belaf [n=campedel@net-93-144-53-148.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 19:10:55 eclugtesting [n=mona@212.33.202.4] has joined #scheme 19:12:15 -!- eclugtesting [n=mona@212.33.202.4] has left #scheme 19:24:47 masm1: mzscheme -l trace -t test.ss 19:26:19 lolcow [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:27:08 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-ffasdeoksyuijdnl] has joined #scheme 19:28:30 -!- pbusser [n=pbusser@ip138-238-174-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:31:18 Thanks, Daemmerung. 19:33:00 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 19:36:03 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 19:36:12 Boo! 19:36:12 Riastradh, memo from rudybot_: klutometis told me to tell you: i know you want to disclaim srfi-43, but isn't the following an error? (vector-unfold (lambda (i x) (values x (- x 1))) 10 0) => #(0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -7 -8 -8) 19:36:12 Riastradh, memo from rudybot_: klutometis told me to tell you: it seems like it should be #(0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -7 -8 -9) 19:36:35 cmatei [n=cmatei@95.76.26.166] has joined #scheme 19:38:10 klutometis, I get -9 for the last entry. 19:38:18 rudybot: (require srfi/43) 19:38:18 Riastradh: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 19:38:21 rudybot: eval (require srfi/43) 19:38:28 rudybot: vector-unfold 19:38:28 Riastradh: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 19:38:31 rudybot: eval vector-unfold 19:38:31 Riastradh: ; Value: # 19:38:39 rudybot: eval (vector-unfold (lambda (i x) (values x (- x 1))) 10 0) 19:38:39 Riastradh: ; Value: #(0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -7 -8 -9) 19:39:58 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-254-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:42:01 Dawgmatix [n=dman@c-76-124-8-39.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:49:29 Mr-Cat [n=cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 19:53:50 wingo [n=wingo@40.Red-79-156-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:54:59 davazp [n=user@205.Red-83-46-0.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:57:06 Riastradh: so what is your opinion on signed zeros? 19:57:31 Together with an unsigned zero, they make sense for inexact computation. Otherwise, they're a bletcherous artefact of representation. 20:01:00 NaughtyGirl85 [i=bgd@77.222.24.116] has joined #scheme 20:01:30 -!- NaughtyGirl85 [i=bgd@77.222.24.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:04:55 Signed zeros? Gigned zeros are going to be included inscheme seven? 20:05:08 s/Gigned/Signed 20:05:19 in scheme inexact and exact zeros further complicate the issue 20:07:40 Well, I don't think that exact signed zero makes sense 20:16:56 Riastradh, klutometis: confirmed, it works correctly on Chicken 4 as well 20:17:24 vector-unfold, that is 20:21:12 Checkie [i=3894@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 20:21:58 eclugtesting1 [n=mona@212.33.202.4] has joined #scheme 20:22:26 -!- elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:22:50 -!- eclugtesting1 [n=mona@212.33.202.4] has left #scheme 20:23:12 elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 20:24:31 -!- elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Client Quit] 20:25:03 elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 20:25:23 -!- elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:25:56 -!- marcoecc [i=me@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9C9AAE7F] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:26:03 elderK [n=zk@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 20:30:01 Riastradh: to ease debugging, maybe the system should print the sign of -0.0 ? 20:31:43 perhaps toggled by a flag, say *unparse-signed-zeros*. 20:34:44 Patches welcome. Some day, maybe I'll even get around to applying them. 20:35:08 By the way, have you been using the patch to the continuation parser that makes the profiler work? 20:36:08 not recently 20:41:13 -!- samth is now known as samth_awa 20:41:17 -!- samth_awa is now known as samth_away 20:41:47 Riastradh: push it! (I remember it worked just fine) 20:42:02 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 20:49:02 eclugtesting [n=mona@212.33.202.4] has joined #scheme 20:49:31 -!- nego [n=nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:49:44 -!- eclugtesting [n=mona@212.33.202.4] has left #scheme 20:49:56 nego [n=nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:52:44 I'm looking to find a co-op (I'm a student at Northeastern) and I was wondering what companies are known to use lisp or scheme. I found a blog post (pchristensen.com) which lists a few but I was wondering if you guys had any other names to add to the mix. I've got a fair amount of scheme experience given that I've done some research with a professor here using scheme and am continuing to do so. 20:54:04 most of us just sneak scheme in 20:54:36 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 20:55:49 Armageddon00: http://itasoftware.com/ 20:55:53 Armageddon00: ITA Software is one of the better-known ones. A semi-regular in this channel, Fare, works there. 20:55:58 mejja: Jinx! 20:56:17 Armageddon00: So next time he comes in, you may want to ask him what it's like. :-) 20:56:27 https://careers.sri.com/psp/ps/CAREERS/CAREERS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL?Page=HRS_CE_JOB_DTL&Action=A&JobOpeningId=100474&SiteId=2&PostingSeq=1 20:56:29 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/y9xpgq9 20:57:48 http://github.com/Scriptor/pharen <-- abomination or acknowledgement of greatness? 20:58:17 Cover letter to SRI: "I'm an expert in Machine Learning, CLIM, OO databases, CG and AJAX, with a total of 0 years of experience under my belt" 21:00:07 jonrafkind: It's always interesting to see S-expression syntaxes for other languages. :-P 21:00:20 jonrafkind: I had half a mind to attempt an S-expression variant of C++. :-P 21:00:29 *Daemmerung* accidentally swapped his cover letters to SRI HR and Penthouse Letters 21:00:54 unless you are going to add macros I don't think using parentheses adds anything 21:01:06 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 21:01:34 if you irk gcc enough it will error out with parentheses 21:01:50 in R5RS, why is >= listed as a "procedure"? Couldn't it be a "library procedure" based on if, > and = forms? 21:01:55 Daemmerung: "... but I never expected it to happen to me." 21:02:53 peter_12: Sure: (lambda (x y) (not (< x y))) 21:02:54 "I always thought those letters about full-time positions in Lisp and Scheme were made up." 21:03:14 cky: C for example http://synthcode.com/scheme/fmt/#SECTION_6 21:03:25 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:03:31 peter_12: I wouldn't obsess too much on the different between "procedure" and "library procedure" in R5RS. 21:03:39 Or the difference, either. 21:04:04 Daemmerung: ok thanks. It seems the distinction is not based purely on axioms 21:04:15 zbigniew: Nice. :-) 21:05:20 peter_12: Using just <, everything else can be derived. > = (lambda (x y) (< y x)); <= = not >; etc. :-P 21:05:39 peter_12: Seems to me a much nicer way to implement than (or (> x y) (= x y)), for example. 21:06:00 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:06:11 Sexy Scheme mistress seeks playmate with a Lisp for some CLIM play. You bring the dotted pairs; I've got a car 21:06:27 This seems like an odd part about R5RS. Perhaps R6RS is more clear but I don't know it. 21:06:45 zbigniew: I missed the "0 years of software development" clause. Looks like they wouldn't mind a freshly minted undergrad to overwork. 21:07:21 Or freshly-minted Ph.D. for same 21:09:16 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:09:21 "Experience: 0-5 years of software development" Hehe... 21:09:50 -!- borism [n=boris@213-35-233-3-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:32 *mejja* wonders if daemmerung got published 21:16:14 *wingo* adds square brackets to guile, grudgingly 21:16:27 :-( 21:17:18 yeah. 21:17:30 but i want to be able to run other peoples' code, so... 21:17:35 it's an option. 21:17:40 *nods* 21:17:41 wingo: make them do something cool, like update twitter with the result of the evaluation 21:17:47 haha 21:17:55 R7RS Small should keep square brackets reserved. :-P 21:18:02 Doesn't Guile have readtables? 21:18:13 reserved for twitter 21:18:24 mario-goulart: :-) 21:19:31 mejja, cky, Daemmerung: Thanks. I'll look into them. A friend of mine did an internship at ITA but he never did any scheme hacking, which I would kind of fear if I go to a company because they use Scheme and I get stuck writing some Java front end or whatever. 21:19:49 s/Scheme/Lisp/g 21:20:28 Armageddon00: You should ask Fare; I think he does plenty of Lisp work there. 21:20:37 But, I won't speak for him, of course. 21:21:04 rudybot: tell Fare Hi, if you have a moment some time, I'd like to ask you some questions about ITA 21:21:04 Armageddon00: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 21:21:08 do'h. 21:21:09 Daemmerung: you can customize anything after #, and some specific other things 21:21:42 rudybot: later tell Fare Hi, if you have a moment some time, I'd like to ask you some questions about ITA 21:21:43 minion: memo for Fare: Armageddon00 told me to tell you: Hi, if you have a moment some time, I'd like to ask you some questions about ITA 21:21:43 Remembered. I'll tell Fare when he/she/it next speaks. 21:21:50 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 21:30:25 -!- JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-180-142.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:31:50 hotblack23 [n=jh@p4FC5A683.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:33:01 -!- leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-qxpqdbqezobbvctq] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:35:56 -!- snorble [n=snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:43:14 Armageddon00: I tend to think they use much more CL at ITA 21:43:21 -!- davazp [n=user@205.Red-83-46-0.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:43:58 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-111-66-37.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:44:53 you always have to sneak scheme through the back door. 21:46:08 the standard backdoor these days is to write a source control system using an exotic language 21:47:36 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-ffasdeoksyuijdnl] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:49:32 Len_ [n=Len@87.70.153.25] has joined #scheme 21:54:04 i have been meaning to write a bittorrent client in scheme 21:54:18 perhaps i can combine that with the version control backdoor 21:54:23 Yay! 21:54:42 Scheme BT client would be awesome. 21:55:06 i went to install a daemon on my server the other day, and i just couldn't bear installing something written in c 21:55:16 the next day a transmission vulnerability came out.. 21:55:28 so i have nothing installed there. 21:57:53 sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-128-17.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:58:26 Heap-shake for me, girl... I want to be your back-door man 22:05:48 fwiw i am writing an rss reader :) 22:06:21 davazp [n=user@205.Red-83-46-0.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:08:02 -!- peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 22:08:32 jao [n=jao@232.Red-83-50-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:08:45 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 22:08:51 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:10:47 *wingo* pokes at an ffi for guile 22:13:05 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-79-119-35.netcologne.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:23:53 mejja pasted "Borda's Mouthpiece" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/93466 22:28:07 minion: memo for Riastradh: see http://paste.lisp.org/display/93466 for a signed zero demo 22:28:07 Remembered. I'll tell Riastradh when he/she/it next speaks. 22:29:48 snearch [n=olaf@g229052060.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 22:31:18 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:35:36 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:37:51 -!- incubot [n=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:39:31 -!- pjb [n=t@101.Red-88-30-120.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:40:01 rudybot: later tell Riastradh is srfi-43 canonical at this point; or can you change -8 -8 to -8 -9 then? 22:40:02 minion: memo for Riastradh: is srfi-43 canonical at this point; or can you change -8 -8 to -8 -9 then? 22:40:03 pjb` [n=t@101.Red-88-30-120.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:40:19 mario-go` [n=user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 22:40:59 nowhereman [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:41:01 -!- sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-128-17.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:41:02 minion: memo for Riastradh: klutometis told me to tell you: is srfi-43 canonical at this point; or can you change -8 -8 to -8 -9 then? 22:41:05 -!- tabe [n=user@adel.fixedpoint.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:41:17 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@91.191.55.45] has joined #scheme 22:41:26 rdd` [n=rdd@c83-250-152-128.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 22:41:26 incubot: wow; that's what they refer to as the double-clowning 22:41:44 tabe [n=user@adel.fixedpoint.jp] has joined #scheme 22:41:47 sepult`` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-128-17.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:41:51 -!- Belaf [n=campedel@net-93-144-53-148.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-196.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-152-128.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- bunz [n=bunz@unaffiliated/bunz] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-230-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- a-s [n=user@93.112.122.84] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-53-82-65-38-59.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- Len_ [n=Len@87.70.153.25] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- samth_away [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:51 -!- Armageddon00 [n=danking@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:42:17 incubot [n=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 22:42:20 uh oh, lag; and i already invoked three bots 22:42:22 mejja: the first Paper that you cite reminds me of a Nineteenth-Century Broadsheet, somehow. 22:42:44 -!- rdd` is now known as rdd 22:42:49 Armageddon00 [n=danking@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 22:42:50 j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has joined #scheme 22:42:53 Len [n=Len@87.70.153.25] has joined #scheme 22:42:54 a-s [n=user@93.112.122.84] has joined #scheme 22:44:14 Oh, it's just some slides, concatenated, now I see. 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