00:00:30 -!- TR2N [n=email@89-180-213-219.net.novis.pt] has left #scheme 00:04:45 Yeah yeah 00:04:48 eli: I plan to find the files for each "main" module, and run them via subprocess. Just finding it a bit difficult to reliably find a file for a given module. 00:06:09 (the-file-of (planet vyzo/crypto:2)) => ~/.plt-scheme/planet/300/4.2.2/cache/vyzo/crypto.plt/2/3/main.ss 00:06:35 synx: `subprocess' is fine, and should not suck. 00:06:44 Also, `find-files' or `fold-files' 00:07:23 I already know which modules they are; I just need the files they're contained in. 00:07:31 *arcfide* is a fan of "subprocess" and the family of sub process communication utilities available in Schemes. 00:09:46 (subprocess #f #f #f (find-executable-path "mzscheme" (the-file-of "some/module.ss")) 00:09:58 I would just use (build-path "some/module.ss") but I can't be sure of what directory I start in. 00:11:27 synx: (define (the-file-of x) x) 00:12:40 Would be nice eli, but /some/module.ss not found. 00:13:28 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:13:53 Then the meaning of "some/module.ss" is something that you didn't define. 00:15:01 It means the exact same thing as in (require "some/module.ss") except it's the file the module is in, not the bindings exported by that module. 00:16:09 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 00:16:39 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 00:17:01 -!- dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:17:04 okay not nearly the exact same thing, but 00:17:05 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 00:17:15 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 00:18:29 synx: If you're talking about finding the full path of a module relative to the current source, then `this-expression-source-directory'. 00:19:08 Oh, well there you go. 00:19:18 Still won't get planet modules, but I don't need that... 00:19:29 oh, except for executable packaging... 00:19:35 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@95-25-163-168.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:20:13 I wonder if there's a way to run a PLT executable so that it loads different modules depending on command line arguments or something. 00:20:25 anyway, thanks eli 00:23:26 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@88-203.res.pomona.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:25:19 hi 00:27:32 -!- adu [n=ajr@pool-71-241-254-143.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 00:30:41 rudybot: eval (resolved-module-path-name ((current-module-name-resolver) 'scheme/promise #f #f #f)) 00:30:43 eli: your scheme sandbox is ready 00:30:43 eli: ; Value: # 00:30:49 synx: there. 00:32:55 ...huh, okay. That's even better! 00:33:13 rudybot: 4.2.2? So 2 months ago... 00:33:14 masm: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 00:33:53 D'oh. 00:35:13 *offby1* shifts uncomfortably 00:35:53 *arcfide* hands offby1 some Gold Bond Medicated Creme. 00:36:59 m811 [n=user@150.181.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 00:41:04 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:48:20 sounds ... off-color 00:49:51 -!- Penth [n=rachel@pool-173-59-94-50.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:52:06 is it correct to say that C is not tail recursive? 00:53:41 emma: It is correct to say that a C compiler does not perform tail-call elimination. 00:54:59 masm: can you think of an example of a simple procedure where scheme will not overflow because of its design by the same procedure on python will? 00:55:27 Yes. Can you? 00:55:33 No. 00:55:39 I don't know enough about Python. 00:55:49 i remember someone mentioning one in here in the past though. 00:55:58 -!- untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:56:06 untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #scheme 00:56:32 You know what a tail call is? 01:03:41 -!- flonklebonkle [n=nobody@p5B038E0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:19:32 def fail(i): fail(i+1) 01:20:00 ...versus (define (fail i) (fail (+ i 1))) 01:42:14 How can I obtain the path of a module that is being macro-expanded? 01:42:35 With resolved-module-path-name I get a symbol. 01:53:47 suppose I have a launcher from make-mzscheme-launcher. 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The speed comparisons of mine to which you referred are not only rough, but cited from a solitary email describing a hazy memory of the conclusions of a small collection of crude, unscientific tests that are not remotely representative of real program use. In other words, serious salinary granule territory. 04:47:59 2. The speed comparisons of Pugh to which you referred are the perspective of an imperative-minded programmer on machines of 1990 who didn't believe in recursive procedures (on balanced binary trees -- go figure) or in functional update. 04:48:36 In other words, the serious salinary granule territory on the other side of some fence. 05:00:35 -!- visof_ [n=visof@41.238.233.227] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:11:24 -!- nothingHappens_ [n=nothingH@173-27-153-37.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:13:17 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:13:46 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 05:14:04 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 05:15:13 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:17:19 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:21:30 incubot [n=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 05:24:18 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 05:31:15 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:31:45 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 05:35:12 -!- sctb [n=sctb@S01060016cbc2d41a.cg.shawcable.net] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1"] 05:48:56 Hrm, does anyone know of any prewritten code for dealing with forests in Scheme? 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I'll tell Arelius when he/she/it next speaks. 11:12:48 I have a id-syntax->id-ast-node function creates objects that represent identifier syntax taken from macros. What information should I use to make two of these objects equal? iff the respective identifiers are free-identifier=? ? 11:16:12 I was storing the resolved-module-path-name and the original name (from identifier-binding), but the resolved-module-path-name returns a symbol for identifiers in the module being macroexpanded, and returns a string is used for an identifier from another module. 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[i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has joined #scheme 17:51:34 rudybot: eval (cdr '(a b c)) 17:51:34 chandler: ; Value: {b c} 17:52:03 *chandler* slaps rudybot with a mutable cell 17:52:15 Ahh, got it 17:52:52 rudybot: init r7rs 17:52:53 masm: error: r7rs: standard-module-name-resolver: collection not found: "r7rs" in any of: (#) in: r7rs 17:52:57 Bah. 17:53:22 If you have SRFI 1 loaded or available for your implementation, you can use `first' and `rest' as well, but these are merely synonyms for `car' and `cdr' in both SRFI 1 and in Common Lisp. 17:54:17 Or you can use first and rest if you first do (define first car) (define rest cdr). 17:54:28 I guess car/cdr is best approach to what I need 17:55:12 or define first/rest as you said 17:55:24 Thx 17:58:42 triyo_ [n=triyo@vc-41-5-113-131.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:58:47 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:58:55 -!- triyo_ [n=triyo@vc-41-5-113-131.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit 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In CL nil is a symbol, false and the empty list. 18:21:11 In Scheme that is nil, #f and (), respectively. 18:22:29 Hmm I don't see nil working: unbound var: nil 18:22:41 -!- triyo [n=triyo@vc-41-5-169-25.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:22:44 -!- triyo_ is now known as triyo 18:22:49 Try (quote nil). 18:23:28 Oh so it's quoted nil 18:23:45 'nil 18:24:53 But null? won't work with that will it? 18:24:57 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 18:25:09 No. `null?' will answer #t to the empty list only. 18:25:16 null? pred that's is 18:25:25 Oh I see 18:25:36 rudybot: eval (null? '()) 18:25:37 chandler: ; Value: #t 18:25:46 rudybot: eval (null? #f) 18:25:46 chandler: ; Value: #f 18:25:58 rudybot: eval (if '() 1 2) 18:25:59 chandler: ; Value: 1 18:26:04 rudybot: eval (if #f 1 2) 18:26:04 chandler: ; Value: 2 18:28:17 In scheme is it common practice to have procedure that doesn't returning anything if for instance it prints some info and does nothing else 18:28:31 Yes. 18:28:47 K thx 18:30:15 It's not common to have it return no values; in fact, this can cause problems as standard Scheme requires one value in situations where it will be discarded. 18:30:45 For instance, ((lambda () (values) 1)) may or may not be accepted by your implementation. 18:35:44 chandler: Hum... are you sure? I think that that must be accepted by any implementation. 18:38:52 masm: "Except for continuations created by the call-with-values procedure, all continuations take exactly one value." 18:38:56 Yes. 18:39:02 I was reading that also. :) 18:39:07 You are right. 18:40:12 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:41:46 chandler: r6rs allows it though. 18:42:53 Indeed, as do many implementations of the R5RS. 18:46:02 Synner [i=d8e8f507@gateway/web/freenode/x-byhsqqglozhjcxyf] has joined #scheme 18:46:31 -!- Synner [i=d8e8f507@gateway/web/freenode/x-byhsqqglozhjcxyf] has left #scheme 18:52:05 -!- SvekloB_ [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:52:11 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:54:03 -!- triyo [n=triyo@vc-41-5-227-239.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:58:34 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:04:09 choas [n=lars@p5B0DEF64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:09:24 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:10:18 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 19:19:09 davazp [n=user@106.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:26:59 MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 19:36:35 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 19:38:31 Is there a way to specify a variadic FFI function type in PLT? 19:41:32 r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #scheme 19:48:46 snearch [n=olaf@g225061006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 20:09:16 -!- davazp [n=user@106.Red-88-25-186.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:13:39 masm, like for printf? 20:14:04 Yes. 20:14:17 look at collects/ffi/c-printf.ss 20:14:46 but probably there should be an easier to understand interface 20:17:53 Oh! It creates a wrapper on each call! 20:22:23 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-90-23.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:30:02 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:39:02 -!- nothingHappens [n=nothingh@173-27-153-37.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:44:19 schmir [n=schmir@p54A9143D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:01:33 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:17 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 21:07:51 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 21:17:56 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:19:13 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 21:19:42 in plt, if i want to wrap an input port in a synchronizable object from which the caller can read structs rather than bytes/characters, do i use a channel? 21:24:17 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-111-70-156.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:25:51 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A9143D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:26:33 maybe i can use prop:evt 21:27:11 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:28:48 That sounds weird -- you want a port to read bytes from, but use `sync' to read other things? 21:31:54 there is an input-port for reading info from the linux kernel. i am making a library that parses into plt structs from that byte stream 21:32:22 i want to hide the input-port to the kernel from the library user, but let them to "sync" on my object 21:32:41 the synchronization options in plt are... a lot 21:38:10 Yes, unsurprisingly... 21:38:47 Anyway, it sounds like what you want is a thread that will read the kernel port, parse it into any kind of values you like, and put that on a channel. 21:39:13 mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 21:39:15 This way, the thread will read and parse the first value, then it will be blocked until some other thread reads from the channel. 21:39:30 Then it will read the next one and so on. 21:39:59 ideally, i'd not have to have a thread 21:40:44 If you want to avoid reading the port while there is no need for a value, then you can use a channel for requests: the requestor can send a function to get the parsed value, so the reader thread blocks until a value is needed. 21:40:52 Why not have a thread? 21:42:14 i'd prefer to just expose the waitable-ness of the input port through my struct to "sync", without letting someone who has my struct actually read from that port directly 21:48:53 unless the kernel ever sends incomplete messages, there is never a need to have a reader thread 21:58:42 or unless i want to buffer in scheme rather than in kernel 22:04:57 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:17:49 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 22:18:59 -!- snearch [n=olaf@g225061006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:24:16 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:28:37 -!- Pepe_ [n=ppjet@ram94-7-82-232-191-53.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:28:49 Pepe_ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:33:05 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:39:34 chops [n=nope@dyn-48.greentreefrog.net.au] has joined #scheme 22:40:15 schmir [n=schmir@p54A91A6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:41:05 neilv: that's unrelated to having a thread -- a thread is just a way to organize the code more conveniently into a "server" that does the reading and clients that ask for a value. 22:42:07 i have a natural aversion to using threads unnecessarily 22:42:26 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgsbot 22:42:27 they don't simplify things in this case. what i want to do is very simple 22:42:35 -!- bgsbot is now known as bgs100 22:42:50 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:43:11 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgsbot1 22:43:16 -!- bgsbot1 is now known as bgs100 22:44:56 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A91A6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:44:58 -!- r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:47:38 neilv: Actually, if what you need is a single read-on-demand, then what's the complication anyway -- why not a simple function that reads and returns a value? 22:48:41 i want the library user to be able to sync 22:49:04 sync on what? 22:49:23 sync on this abstract data type (a struct) 22:50:01 But if it's basically a function call, then why not leave it a function -- what's the advantage of using `sync'? 22:51:05 so one can do a "select" on a bunch of waitable things, including my thing 22:51:37 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:53:07 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 22:53:35 And you still don't have threads? 22:54:36 "select" (or "sync") is what people do when they don't have threads or when threads are expensive. it is a time-honored tradition :) 22:55:14 There's very little point in shying away from threads... 22:55:43 It seems like `prop:evt' would do what you want, and you can use the kernel port as the event, 22:55:58 but then that will be ready as soon as there's a byte from the kernel 22:56:08 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 22:56:19 which means that this will make sense if a single byte means that you have a whole message ready to be read. 22:56:26 yes 22:57:05 If that's not the case (for example, if a message is a few bytes which the kernel writes slowly), then you get things more complicated because you need to either play with the events (make up an event that is ready when there are N bytes) 22:57:16 ... or you just use threads. 22:57:28 i think i said that :) 22:57:39 Which part? 22:58:40 unfortunately, it is 6pm, so i have to start doing real work 22:59:46 [You should really exercise some threading... Just to get that fear out...] 23:00:25 i'm not afraid of multithreading. i've been doing it for 20 years 23:00:26 schmir [n=schmir@p54A91A6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:00:57 but look at the plt documentation for concurrency synchronization. someone has gone to a lot of trouble to make everything waitable 23:01:09 I mean that as a tool that can be used even for very minor things. 23:01:57 http://download.plt-scheme.org/doc/html/reference/sync.html 23:02:26 for whatever reason all those are waitable, my thing should be too 23:02:35 (Yeah, I know -- but that's not to avoid using threads...) 23:03:15 i propose a compromise: i make my thing waitable, and then, gratuitously, i also use a thread for its implementation 23:03:47 :) 23:03:57 :) 23:04:04 Maybe when you have some code I'll see what you actually want to do... 23:04:20 Or when I know what kernel thing you're talking about... 23:08:22 snorble [n=none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 23:10:14 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DEF64.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 23:14:48 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-24-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Connection timed out]