00:02:15 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.194.245] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:09:04 RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-42-166.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 00:26:45 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-188.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:29:17 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-111-70-156.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 00:51:29 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:54:29 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DFE47.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 01:07:16 Vitaeviternus [n=Vitaevit@75.76.116.92] has joined #scheme 01:07:35 Heyo. 01:09:41 Well, I am getting (intuiting) through The Little Schemer quite well now that quoting the expressions is straightforward enough. What an expressive language. I will have to start indenting C that way. lol 01:10:21 So, naturally, I am wondering... What implementation holds the most favor and why? 01:12:35 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:13:27 Vitaeviternus: well, most of the implementations are pretty different from each other 01:13:52 Vitaeviternus: the "main" ones would be PLT, Gambit, Chicken, and a couple others 01:14:28 PLT is the most popular, and one of the fullest featured ones. If you are doing professional development with Scheme, you might want to look into Chez Scheme 01:14:54 Chicken interfaces very well with C (being that it is written in C), Gambit also interacts pretty well with C 01:15:12 I have both Chez (petite) and PLT (DrScheme) installed, but I saw like a million others. 01:15:28 I was just looking at MIT Scheme. 01:15:58 yeah, unfortunately most impelementations are made for fun, and rarely full featured, but there are maybe 15 that are decent 01:16:08 MIT scheme is fairly popular 01:16:15 Trying to gauge tradeoffs between performance, features, comfort, and standards compliance. 01:16:44 Guile might be one of the most installed scheme interpreters, but it's also the least liked :) 01:18:22 Plus, something that will work on my *nix box in emacs when I finally get around to finishing BSD install there. (On Windows at the moment.) 01:18:36 Guile looked... weird. 01:18:43 It is :) 01:19:03 Chicken, PLT, Gambit, Bigloo, are all nice 01:19:13 PLT works pretty well across all platforms, and has it's nice editor 01:19:19 but most people do like Emacs 01:19:26 Well, most people here anyway 01:19:32 It does. It is what I have been using throughout the book so far. 01:19:44 I like how it takes care of the indentation. 01:20:25 What, if you do not mind all the questions, is the equivalent of PLT's in emacs to reindent scheme? 01:20:43 I really should probably just start using that now since that is where I plan on heading. 01:20:52 Tab (when emacs is in scheme-mode) 01:20:57 it knows how to correctly indent 01:21:03 Oh. LOL. Well, that was easy. 01:21:05 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-204-156.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:21:28 emacs should load up ischeme mode when you open a file with .scm extension 01:21:32 I need to just plunk down the cash for the emacs book. 01:21:52 There's a tutorial inside Emacs as well 01:22:09 I think it's...Ctrl-x h 01:22:10 It really is a nice OS (joke). Might as well learn it. 01:22:17 or Ctrl-h h? something like that 01:22:29 Ctrl-h h I think. 01:22:54 Hang on. 01:23:27 C-x C-h 01:24:11 Ctrl-h t I think it is 01:24:16 No... sorry. 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a double 11:59:01 gdb seems to be upgrading all floating point operations to long double 11:59:18 an explit (long double)SEXP_MAX_FIXNUM cast fixes it 12:09:05 What do people think of creating a new "little epoch"? 12:10:50 If we define an epoch to be the (signed) seconds since 2010/01/01 00:00, then signed fixnums on most Scheme implementations will be able to handle datetimes from 1993-2027. 12:10:57 masm [n=masm@bl7-204-156.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 12:12:06 1993 is right around the birth of the internet, and there will be relatively few databases working with dates older than that. And we can hope that by 2027 64-bit machines are more common. 12:12:45 It's arbitrary, and still doesn't handle all dates, but the same applies to the normal Unix epoch. 12:16:45 System calls taking/returning epoch times will need a simple translation (this can be automated by defining FFI behavior for time_t), but apart from that I can't think of any reason why we should use the Unix epoch which is pretty much guaranteed to overflow into bignums on 32-bit machines. 12:21:47 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:22:49 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 12:28:37 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 12:30:53 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 12:33:05 choas [n=lars@p5B0DBD86.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:48:14 kuribas [i=kristof@d54C43632.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 12:58:04 xwl [n=user@114.250.50.57] has joined #scheme 13:03:13 davazp [n=user@5.Red-83-54-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:30:04 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:55:18 -!- emma_ is now known as emma 13:55:28 -!- bokr [n=user@95.154.102.124] has left #scheme 14:02:17 foof: why is bignum overflow in times a problem, other than for poor implementations? I can't hardly see bignum consing of times being a significant problem in most applications, and for those doing complicated arithmetic on times, a program-specific epoch can certainly be used, and chosen intelligently with respect to the times being manipulated. 14:06:19 -!- Pepe__ is now known as Pepe_ 14:06:33 It just bugs me. Why should you have to write a specialized code when doing complicated arithmetic, when with judicious choice of the epoch you could just use the standard datetime libraries? 14:09:38 Changing the epoch is trivial to implement, and for most cases transparent to the user - they get times, compare them, or convert them to tm structs or strings. 14:10:06 For those cases where they really do need the Unix epoch, just provide a utility function scheme-epoch->unix-epoch. 14:19:41 -!- xwl [n=user@114.250.50.57] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:21:54 mije [n=mije@tal33-5-88-181-16-209.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 14:22:49 hello 14:28:25 are you sniffing my screen? i'm working on something related this very moment :) 14:28:49 Nope, just working on the Chibi FFI. 14:37:28 (string->timepoint "1999-W13-3") ==> #date"1999-W13-3" 14:37:43 (date->string/calendar* #t (string->timepoint "1999-W13-3")) ==> "1999-03-31" 14:40:07 (timepoint:year+yday (string->timepoint "1999-W13-3")) ==> 1999 90 14:40:21 Mind you, I worked for 7 years professionally on calendaring applications, and I currently use two calendars daily (neither of which are the Gregorian), so I'm a hard customer to satisfy wrt date/time APIs :) 14:40:37 you must hate iso 8601 14:40:58 some of the things they require are insane 14:42:31 "ISO foo" usually implies insanity :) 14:42:35 i have pretty complete parsing, format, and representation, and am still working on arithmetic on different representations at different precisions 14:42:56 this is crazy, even by iso standards (ha) 14:44:02 http://www.neilvandyke.org/weblog/2005/02/#2005-02-15 14:48:00 lovely :/ 14:50:49 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 14:54:08 what do you guys use in order to unit test your programs ? 14:54:22 i head about laml, does anybody knows it ? 14:54:55 there seems to be something named schemeunit inside laml 14:58:19 on plt, people use the plt stuff, schemeunit, or testeez 14:58:42 i use testeez, because it's portable and easy 14:59:24 but schemeunit is probably better if you're on plt 14:59:43 i'm on gambit :) 15:13:50 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:18:39 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 15:23:01 -!- schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:27:34 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@93.37.244.254] has quit [] 15:42:53 -!- Jafet is now known as J 15:43:01 -!- J is now known as Jafet 15:45:05 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-204-156.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:46:29 masm [n=masm@bl7-199-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:56:01 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:56:28 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 16:37:35 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 16:40:08 Jafet, I don't think Jaffer has actually implemented and tested his proposal. It has been possible to do this sort of thing in languages such as Haskell for a long time, and yet, in spite of two decades of research on automatic parallelization, nobody has found a good way to decide when it is effective to parallelize evaluation. 16:41:20 Not to mention, of course, that Jaffer's proposal breaks a substantial portion of Scheme code out there. 16:42:07 It seems to me that a fair number of scheme programmers have a sort of Haskell complex inside them 16:42:52 A much simpler and compatible change would be to introduce FUTURE and TOUCH. 16:43:08 what is a haskell complex? 16:43:55 $ ghci 16:43:57 Prelude> sqrt(-1) 16:43:57 NaN 16:44:00 16:44:22 foof: <3 16:44:39 No, a NaN is not less than three; nor, in fact, is a NaN greater than three, or equal to three. 16:45:02 how does one get a scheme NaN? 16:45:06 (The same is true of +i and -i, of course, which are much better answers to the question foof asked Haskell.) 16:45:42 I approve of plt-scheme giving me '0+1i' as the answer to that 16:46:07 In Scheme systems that support IEEE 754 arithmetic, you may be able to obtain a NaN with (/ 0. 0.). 16:46:45 Does scheme provide ways to determine if and which variant of IEEE 754 is used? 16:47:12 plt thinks that NaN is incomparable with 3 16:47:15 Respectively: no; and `which variant'? 16:47:39 elly, yes, in IEEE 754, any NaN is incomparable with any other value. 16:47:46 IEEE 754 allows various implementation defined behaviours, such as signaling upon NaN 16:47:57 0. and 0 being different is odd 16:48:21 Jafet, not quite. Some NaNs are signalling NaNs, on which arithmetic causes floating-point exceptions; some NaNs are quiet NaNs, on which arithmetic yields more quiet NaNs. 16:48:31 (in the sense that (/ 0 0) is an exception, and (/ 0. 0.) isn't) 16:48:45 Aren't implementations allowed to override that? 16:52:13 There are several exception modes in IEEE 754, but since Scheme does not imply IEEE 754, it doesn't provide any details of things such as the IEEE 754 exception modes. 16:55:29 foof, why do you care about overflowing into bignums on 32-bit machines? `Why should you have to write specialized code when doing complicated arithmetic?' -- what specialized code? You use the same procedures to do arithmetic in Scheme whether the values involved are represented internally as fixnums, bignums, or whatever you fancy. 16:56:38 Riastradh: Well, it's likely a premature optimization. However it's equal effort for my stubber to automatically offset or not offset time_t values. 16:57:16 You are prepared to accept 64-bit time_t values on 32-bit systems, right? 16:57:44 And when you're looking at the overall design of something as low-level as an FFI, considering optimizations makes sense. Once I make this decision, I can't go back and optimize it later. 16:57:55 Riastradh: yes 16:58:30 Just like I'm prepared to accept 32-bit values that don't fit in a fixnum on 32-bit systems. 16:59:37 -!- davazp [n=user@5.Red-83-54-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:59:53 I don't think there's anything wrong with using a different epoch (it may encourage programmers not to rely on the particular choice of epoch, for example), but I can't imagine what you'd be doing through the C interface that would require fast conversion of times. 17:01:16 It's partly the C interface, and partly the values existing in memory. Consider building an alist of (file . mtime) for millions of files and then sorting the list. 17:02:03 Whether mtime is a fixnum or bignum will have a non-negligable impact on both time and space. 17:02:04 MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 17:02:49 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-248.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:03:04 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-201.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 17:22:21 Nshag [i=user@lns-bzn-37-82-253-36-195.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:22:27 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [] 17:24:13 Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@vpn154.its.manchester.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 17:25:43 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 17:29:56 ejs [n=eugen@251-160-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 17:35:14 -!- ejs [n=eugen@251-160-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:42:04 -!- ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 17:43:25 ejs [n=eugen@222-212-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 17:43:46 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:44:04 -!- ejs [n=eugen@222-212-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:49:59 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-135.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:57:53 -!- Lis [n=Lis@p5B20690F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 18:02:41 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-135.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:08:27 alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 18:09:12 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-135.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:11:51 jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 18:16:11 Lis [n=Lis@p5B20690F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:33:20 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 18:39:26 -!- mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has quit ["leaving"] 18:42:02 -!- MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["DOWNLOADING LATEST VERSION OF THE INTERNET"] 18:52:46 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3695 19:00:44 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@vpn154.its.manchester.ac.uk] has quit [] 19:12:16 yay, chibi now has a simple stubber and initial posix and net modules! 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kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:22:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:22:36 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:22:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:23:09 Ohh base3, you card. 22:23:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:23:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:23:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:24:15 chandler, forcer, foof 22:24:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:24:32 what the hell? 22:24:33 (for the time being I'll just leave, this troll is following me around) 22:24:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:24:40 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has left #scheme 22:24:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:25:01 twleve is a cockjockey! twelve is a cockjockey! 22:25:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:25:24 *crackers crunch* 22:25:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:25:41 -!- davazp [n=user@160.Red-83-52-42.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 22:25:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:26:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:26:45 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:26:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:27:19 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:27:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:27:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:28:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:28:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:28:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:29:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:29:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:29:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:30:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:30:38 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:30:59 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:31:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:31:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:31:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:32:01 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 22:32:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:32:20 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:32:34 jmegner [n=jmegner@c-98-197-3-166.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:32:36 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:32:50 twleve, One more time and you are offline! 22:32:56 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:33:00 I have a question about getting more helpful error messages 22:33:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:33:27 Here is my error message: 22:33:28 procedure application: expected procedure, given: #; arguments were: # # # 22:33:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:33:42 how can I get a line number for that error? 22:33:48 I am using mzscheme 22:33:56 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:34:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:34:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:34:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:35:03 mquin [i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin] has joined #scheme 22:35:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:35:36 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:35:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:36:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:36:36 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:36:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:37:02 who can get ops here? chandler ? 22:37:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:37:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:37:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:38:01 chandler, foof ? 22:38:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:38:25 !kick twleve 22:38:36 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:38:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:39:04 can somebody please kick twelve? 22:39:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:39:20 Doesn't all irc-clients support /ignore 22:39:27 they do 22:39:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:39:48 but why keep it in the channel? 22:39:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:40:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:40:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:40:54 jmegner: the "errortrace" library is handy for improving your error messages. 22:40:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:41:12 jmegner: e.g., "mzscheme -l errortrace your-file-here.ss" 22:41:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:41:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:41:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:42:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:42:36 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:42:46 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DBD86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:42:49 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:42:56 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:43:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:43:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:43:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:44:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:44:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:44:56 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:45:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:45:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:45:47 Capso [i=none@about/networking/128.0.0.0/Capso] has joined #scheme 22:45:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:46:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:46:25 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #scheme 22:46:37 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:46:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:46:38 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 22:46:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:47:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:47:25 offby1, thanks 22:47:33 hmm 22:47:37 I never knew that 22:47:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:47:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:48:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:48:39 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:48:51 -!- charleyb [n=charleyb@c-67-162-157-218.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #scheme 22:48:57 -!- Capso [i=none@about/networking/128.0.0.0/Capso] has left #scheme 22:48:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:49:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:49:18 there is much to lean in PLT, grashopper 22:49:27 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-81-150-107.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [", ! :)"] 22:49:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:49:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:50:16 harish [n=harish@pool-71-179-91-144.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:50:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:50:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:50:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:51:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:51:36 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:51:53 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.178.72] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:51:56 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:52:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:52:34 joast [n=rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 22:52:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:53:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:53:18 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:53:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:53:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:54:07 offby1, whenever I execute "mzscheme -l errortrace jumble_solver.scm greetings.txt" the command terminates with no output 22:54:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:54:30 hmm 22:54:31 but if I execute "mzscheme jumble_solver.scm greetings.txt" my program is run normally 22:54:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:54:46 yeah, mzscheme's command-line stuff is kinda odd 22:54:56 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:55:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:55:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:55:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:56:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:56:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:56:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:57:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:57:28 I generally have some shell-trampoline boilerplate at the top of my file; if you add this to jumble_solver.scm, it might work: http://gist.github.com/245110 22:57:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:57:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:58:14 -!- MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:58:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:58:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:58:39 MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:58:56 -!- MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:58:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:59:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:59:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 22:59:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:00:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:00:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:00:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:01:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:01:28 twleve: do you want a peanut? 23:01:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:01:40 -!- kazzmir [n=kazzmir@98.202.86.149] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:01:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:02:04 kazzmir [n=kazzmir@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 23:02:07 Please Don't Feed The Trolls 23:02:16 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:02:18 theoros [n=theoros@unaffiliated/theoros] has joined #scheme 23:02:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:02:47 i heard kilimanjaro was a cockjockey, is this true? 23:02:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:03:05 twleve: seriously i have a lot of peanuts, would you like one? 23:03:18 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:03:31 RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-42-28.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 23:03:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:03:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:04:14 -!- theoros [n=theoros@unaffiliated/theoros] has left #scheme 23:04:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:04:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:04:46 -!- harish [n=harish@pool-71-179-91-144.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has left #scheme 23:04:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:05:00 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@pat32.dartmouth-secure.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 23:05:18 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:05:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:05:56 offby1, I was able to get better error messages by invoking "mzscheme -i -l errortrace" and running '(require "jumble_solver.scm")' 23:05:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:06:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:06:28 kilimanjaro: so, I hear you're a cockjockey 23:06:39 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:06:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:07:04 hmm 23:07:08 hmm 23:07:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:07:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:07:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:07:57 twleve: so wait, kilimanjaro is a what now? I think I missed it 23:08:04 oh, okay 23:08:12 copumpkin, he's running a script 23:08:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:08:17 kilimanjaro: I figured :) 23:08:18 if it isn't apparent by this point 23:08:33 where's Riastradh when you need him! 23:08:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:08:43 the distribution is somewhat non-deterministic though it seems 23:08:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:09:13 nevermind i'm awful at counting 23:09:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:09:27 foof: don't you have the power to stop him? 23:09:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:09:42 or chandler 23:09:59 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:10:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:10:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:10:42 *copumpkin* sighs 23:10:57 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:11:17 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:11:37 kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! kilimanjaro is a cockjockey! 23:12:56 i asked in #freenode, no staff are on the access list for #scheme 23:13:14 surely their IRCop status allows them to override that 23:13:22 so i would have thought 23:14:16 GodsHawk [n=Nathan@unaffiliated/nathan/x-8754142] has joined #scheme 23:14:48 *copumpkin* points at twleve 23:15:01 hm, seems to have stopped now 23:15:29 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:15:33 tomaw_ [i=tomaw@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #scheme 23:16:06 ah well, looks like he shut up on his own 23:17:37 copumpkin: We (freenode staff) don't interfere in channel managemnet issues unless we've been invited to by the operators in question, either directly or implicitly via a suitable access list entry 23:18:19 I see 23:19:38 -!- cmatei [n=cmatei@95.76.26.166] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:21:33 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-201.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:21:43 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:22:10 schmir [n=schmir@p54A93967.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:34:22 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:34:26 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C43632.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:37:18 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@pat32.dartmouth-secure.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:38:13 mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 23:38:16 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@pat32.dartmouth-secure.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 23:42:52 -!- wingo [n=wingo@81.Red-88-17-128.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:42:53 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [No route to host] 23:45:52 sshc [n=sshc@unaffiliated/sshc] has joined #scheme