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(let ((x v)) (do etc ...))) ((do x etc ...) (begin x (do etc ...))))) 09:30:00 Is this bad? 09:33:26 why do you want to do that? 09:34:42 -!- Paraselene__ [n=None@79-67-204-162.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:35:02 Paraselene__ [n=None@79-67-188-149.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 09:36:02 Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time 09:40:06 -!- tjaway [n=timj@e176198008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:40:11 Maddas [n=mz@74.125.121.33] has joined #scheme 09:41:57 -!- nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:44:45 -!- a-s [n=user@nat-240.ro.66.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:53:30 Jafet: you have just wrote a long hand version of let* :p 09:53:41 nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 09:54:50 It's easier to hack-debug when you can interleave expressions, though 09:55:32 Though really I should be figuring out how to make mit-scheme 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off the bomb. 16:50:50 Now we just have to make this an SRFI 16:50:55 offby1 you missing some "" 16:51:04 who can tell! 16:51:21 well you cant ever start with an escape 16:51:22 we need a ()-based string-constant syntax. 16:51:24 I nominate Riastradh 16:51:43 #unicode-string-sequence(a) 16:51:57 I didn't know I was a ()-based string-constant syntax. 16:52:07 -!- hosh [n=hosh@c-71-199-176-82.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:52:26 Go forth! 16:52:45 How does one base a string-constant syntax on nil, anyway? 16:53:27 Riastradh, by defining it as the usefulness of the text in the string? 16:53:44 ...present company cheerfully excluded, of course. 16:53:48 -!- beautiful [n=beauty@83.231.113.187] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:54:46 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [No route to host] 16:56:23 hosh [n=hosh@c-71-199-176-82.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:58:37 Pip [n=pip@unaffiliated/pip] has joined #scheme 17:01:39 -!- Murom 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[n=charleyb@12.236.109.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:03:27 is there a straightforward equivalent to a here-doc in PLT? 20:04:16 I'd like to include a long chunk of JS into a web page and would prefer not to deal with quoting, escaping, joining on newlines, etc. 20:04:27 Is there any reason not to separate it out into another file? 20:04:34 maybe you can use the at-exp reader 20:04:54 eli probably has used it somehow 20:05:10 yeah, I thought about putting it in a template file. But that requires having a separate file for every chunk that I want to include. That scales poorly. 20:05:46 have you seen the scribble docs? 20:06:15 dstorrs: If you are composing JS like that you're probably doing it wrong :) 20:06:44 sjamaan: it's a single chunk of JS to be included into the page. it's not dynamically generated. 20:07:03 If it's just one chunk, what's the problem of just sticking it in a .js file? 20:07:17 yeah, I thought about putting it in a template file. But that 20:07:17 requires having a separate file for every chunk that I want to 20:07:17 include. That scales poorly. [15:05] 20:07:20 20:07:41 It sounds like it scales linearly with the number and size of chunks, just like including it in the Scheme code. 20:08:03 Yeah, I still don't really understand the issue 20:08:46 dstorrs: If you just want a semi-literal piece of text, then the scribble syntax is perfect for that. 20:08:59 charleyb [n=charleyb@12.236.109.2] has joined #scheme 20:09:07 Just the syntax, that is, which you get with something like `#lang at-exp scheme' 20:09:51 What's wrong with dealing with quotation, anyway? There are no problems with line breaks (you can just put a newline in the string), and a reasonable editor will escape everything you need for you while you are editing the string. 20:10:30 eli: thanks. So, use "#lang at-exp scheme" instead of "#lang scheme", then I have access to the scribble syntax? 20:10:43 in a .ss file, that is? 20:10:47 Riastradh: what if js fragment comtains strings... 20:11:17 sladegen: JS allows both '' and "" 20:11:20 sladegen, well, what if? 20:11:38 If you need to escape stuff in the JS, then it becomes ugly 20:11:53 \\\\\" and such :) 20:11:59 When I type double-quotes inside strings, my editor escapes them for me. 20:12:04 Riastradh: The "semi-" part in what I said was important, but there's also sjamaan's point about dealing with backslashes and double-quotes in the HS code (which are sort-of solved with here-strings). 20:12:33 dstorrs: Yes, and then you can use something like: 20:12:55 (define js-code @list{nearly free form text here, with newlines and whatever}) 20:13:13 You'll get `js-code' to be bound to a list of strings in this case. 20:13:20 (including the newlines.) 20:13:44 So, replace `list' with `string-append', and you get a single string, if you deal with strings only. 20:16:40 eli: thanks very much. 20:17:15 now that you point this out, I do remember reading about it in the Scribble docs, but that was a while ago; it got buried under other new things. 20:18:48 arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-145-15.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 20:18:50 Hey everyone. 20:19:04 dstorrs: Well, what you're describing is a classic case for using it -- and it leaves the door open for cases where that's not enough (eg, if you ever deal with strings that have no balanced braces), and also for strings that are no longer constant when you need to stuff into them. 20:19:50 hi arcfide 20:20:43 Fare: ping 20:22:10 pong 20:22:16 could you get the room? 20:22:20 Fare: Yes. 20:22:21 366 20:22:23 woohoo! 20:22:39 it that WVG? 20:22:46 WVH -- the CS building. 20:23:06 ok thanks a whole lot! I'm sending an announcement nowish... 20:23:44 OK 20:24:23 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 20:26:03 clog [n=nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 20:30:13 sysop_fb [i=fb@cpe-075-184-018-184.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:31:15 I have to find out how much money is left on my BLM food line... 20:38:44 karlw [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:40:33 rgrau [n=user@171.Red-88-16-67.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:42:06 It would be really neat if DrScheme was just a GtkSourceView application. 20:43:03 -!- karlw [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:43:36 does anyone here have experience using encrypted SQLite via scheme? We've been working with Jay's sqlite library, and we're investigating how to keep our database encrypted while doing so. 20:43:43 karlw1 [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:47:19 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 20:49:07 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110] has joined #scheme 20:49:21 mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has joined #scheme 20:50:36 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:52:33 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110] has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:58 -!- mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:54:02 beautiful [n=beauty@83.231.8.88] has joined #scheme 20:54:23 night 20:56:05 -!- karlw1 [n=karl@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 20:58:18 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:00:19 mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has joined #scheme 21:02:34 -!- pookey [n=pookey@symfony/developer/pookey] has left #scheme 21:03:42 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 21:08:25 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 21:11:13 npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 21:15:52 -!- mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:28:54 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:34:09 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:35:55 -!- metasyntax [n=taylor@75.149.208.121] has quit ["Nichts mehr."] 21:40:30 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:41:11 dstorrs: It just uses the sqlite C API, so you can just make a FFI module adding these: http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/see.html 21:41:35 Then call sqlite3_key on the raw db connection after opening it. 21:41:51 which is um... 21:43:49 ...of type _sqlite3_database in sqlite-ffi.ss, and 'open' in sqlite.ss returns a struct where (db-handle db) will get you the raw db connection. 21:46:14 mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has joined #scheme 21:46:22 -!- mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:47:53 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 21:52:49 here I'll hack something up real quick 21:54:59 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 21:57:51 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [] 21:57:58 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:59:52 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-145-15.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit ["ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?"] 22:00:44 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:01:35 erg, yeah I forgot. That's why I had to make my own version of jaymccarthy's sqlite library, because it doesn't provide the bindings needed to extend it. 22:02:18 thank goodness for pragmas 22:04:43 synx: thanks, that's what we needed to know. 22:06:25 dstorrs: can't use type _sqlite3_database though since it's not provided. But just make a statement where "PRAGMA key=?" and that should work fine. 22:06:25 I can't test it since my sqlite doesn't have that extension. 22:06:45 hate it when I start to give advice then realize it was bad advice 22:10:33 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:11:59 mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has joined #scheme 22:13:26 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 22:14:07 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 22:16:43 -!- mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:17:55 -!- charleyb [n=charleyb@12.236.109.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:20:53 just thinking out loud...if I contributed a SEE or SQLiteCrypt license to Jay, is there any reason that this couldn't get rolled into the planet module as an option? 22:22:19 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:22:29 It does not appear to be free software, so probably not. 22:23:09 Excuse me, my negative was confusing: It does not appear to be free software, so it is likely that someone would object to that. 22:24:01 Is there any sort of provision for a 'vendors' subdir or such? 22:24:25 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:24:28 Obvously, the user would need to pay for their own license and install the encryptor on their own. 22:25:02 I'm just trying to help make it feasible for the sqlite planet code to work drop in with either version. 22:25:13 I don't know what PLaneT's or Jay's policies are, but it would not surprise me if they summarily rejected non-free software. 22:25:37 That's a pity. 22:26:01 plt is lgpl explcitly so you can use it with non-free software, AFAIK 22:26:07 Even if not, there probably PLaneT users who would be made unhappy by finding non-free software in PLaneT. 22:26:11 However, I am only surmising. 22:26:24 jonrafkind, that's a separate issue. 22:26:48 yes but planet and jay are relatd to plt 22:26:53 what's wrong with non-free software? 22:27:42 beautiful: it's a "free as in speech, not as in beer" thing, usually. 22:27:50 google "GNU manifesto" for details 22:28:05 dstorrs, concerning `That's a pity', I have two responses: (1) The correct sentence is `That would be a pity', because it is a conditional, predicated on the hypotheses that I suggested, not on a claim I made. (2) Why would it be a pity? In a public repository such as PLaneT, certainly I should prefer to find only free software. 22:28:28 So you should ask the author, and look up PLaneT's policies. 22:28:48 i know about GNU, but i think commercial software should be a choice for users 22:28:55 planet has no policies. you can upload whatever you want 22:29:08 Please don't confuse commercial software with proprietary software, beautiful. 22:29:27 oh, well, i really mean commercial 22:30:27 For example, I could write some fascinating piece of code that is very exciting, and release it under the GPL as well as under a commercial licence, so that companies who do not want GPL'd code can pay money for a commercial licence. Then it would be both free software and commercial software. 22:30:32 It would not, however, be proprietary software. 22:30:55 i'm only against not releasing the source 22:31:29 a good example of that behavior being the Sleepycat DB software. 22:31:35 it would bother me to download something in a public repository without really knowing if i can trust it 22:31:46 (the dual free / commercial license behavior, that is) 22:32:00 beautiful, then what you would be objecting to, I believe, is proprietary software, not commercial software. 22:32:11 specially in something of the nature of PLaneT, apt, and so on 22:32:25 Riastradh yes 22:35:37 Interesting. I see no mention of copyright or licence terms in a quick skimming of the PLaneT web site and documetation. 22:38:10 Some entries in the repository (what does one call them? packages?) contain copyright notices and licence terms, but some don't. 22:38:41 jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 22:41:11 MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:43:07 eli, is there any general information about copyright and licence terms of packages in PLaneT? 22:43:23 proprietary software presupposes that you can privately own an abstract idea or concept, as does all intellectual property. 22:44:00 synx, yes, and that presupposition is supported by today's legal systems. 22:44:26 -!- MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:44:51 MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:45:02 so someone saying "what's wrong with non-free software" most likely does not need to be informed of this, but instead has already been convinced it's valid and not harmful. 22:46:21 Riastradh: It really is. It's one of the most catastrophic hacks of legal systems I've seen yet. 22:46:29 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-136-80.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:49:16 proprietary software presupposes people can choose how they want to get paid or not 22:50:14 synx my bad, i don't like propietary software, but i don't think there is anything wrong with commercial software 22:50:23 i tend to express myself wrong 22:51:54 attila_lendvai [n=ati@apn-89-223-205-75.vodafone.hu] has joined #scheme 22:55:30 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@apn-89-223-205-75.vodafone.hu] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:56:05 I have my reservations about the legal insulation corporations offer their financers, and fiat money itself is kind of a joke, but otherwise yeah commercial software is fine. 22:56:49 attila_lendvai [n=ati@apn-89-223-205-75.vodafone.hu] has joined #scheme 22:57:50 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:00:39 mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has joined #scheme 23:00:57 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 23:02:44 I'd sell your services for bear-skins though, if I were you. 23:05:09 -!- wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has quit ["forever this time not like all the other times"] 23:05:28 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:06:52 -!- mabes [n=mabes@12.236.109.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:08:37 synx: didn't otter bring a higher price? 23:12:59 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:14:15 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 23:16:25 perhaps pound for pound 23:19:44 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 23:29:39 Riastradh: I don't think that there's any general requirement for copyright of planet code -- if there's a package that doesn't make its terms clear it's probably best to file a bug report with it and ask for something to be added. 23:32:24 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:49 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:39:24 flippo [n=frivol@unaffiliated/flippo] has joined #scheme 23:42:47 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:49:08 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:51:02 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:51:06 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]