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call/cc? 01:31:06 http://www.brics.dk/~hosc/local/HOSC-11-2-pp117-123.pdf gives a decent distinction on the second page 01:31:14 (from the references section on wikipedia) 01:32:19 I'm sure there's some wget wizard here: What's the most convenient way to recursively fetch the contents of an Apache directory listing, without following the parent directory links? 01:32:44 copumpkin thanks 01:33:07 foof [n=user@FLH1Ahu226.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 01:33:13 beauty: I meant third page and onwards :) there's also a definition of call/cc in terms of J id 01:34:27 the entire thing seems worth reading ^^ 01:35:11 Riastradh you mean, recurse down in the apache listing but not up from the parent? 01:35:18 Yes, beauty. 01:35:59 i think i did that with some option of -recursive and -depth 01:36:05 let me see if i find the script 01:36:22 I don't want to limit the recursion depth; I just want recursion only in one direction. 01:36:53 I suspect I can probably hack something up with the 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15:49:01 ubuntu-nathan, I don't know if anyone has tried 15:49:11 you might have to compile it yourself 15:49:31 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@83.222.175.184] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:50:12 chupish [i=182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/x-gsqqfhpiklkuonzn] has joined #scheme 15:55:59 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:56:00 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:58:14 huh 15:58:15 thanks 15:59:06 i believe that windows mobile devices don't usually have the same processor as desktop machines, so the builds we provide wouldn't work there 16:00:06 on less you use a RiscPC... 16:03:48 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:05:18 nothingHappens [n=nothingH@173-25-176-111.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 16:07:13 ente [i=501c167a@wzff.de] has joined #scheme 16:07:17 -!- nothingHappens is now known as centipedefarmer 16:07:19 hi 16:12:43 ubuntu-nathan: that would be a slight overkill 16:12:45 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 16:24:11 -!- yaroslav_h [n=Yaroslav@109-184-30-23.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:27:55 Deep [n=dawgmati@c-76-124-3-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:29:23 -!- Paraselene__ [n=None@79-68-173-7.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Success] 16:29:49 Paraselene__ [n=None@79-68-173-7.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 16:35:04 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 16:35:51 -!- xwl [n=user@123.115.112.196] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:36:02 rudybot_ [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 16:36:45 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:37:13 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has quit ["Client exiting"] 16:44:47 beauty [n=beauty@83.231.111.112] has joined #scheme 16:45:02 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 16:45:05 evening 16:45:45 LIES 16:47:15 yeah 16:48:24 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-136-80.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:48:28 #scheme is window number 42... :-) 16:48:53 -!- offby1 [n=user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:48:56 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 16:51:56 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A920EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:05:31 -!- davazp [n=user@156.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:06:53 -!- ray [i=ray@drong.notacat.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:08:31 ray [i=ray@drong.notacat.org] has joined #scheme 17:14:31 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:17:10 davazp [n=user@156.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:23:17 -!- Modius_ is now known as Modius 17:25:16 nathanpc [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has joined #scheme 17:31:46 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [] 17:34:56 saccade_ [n=saccade@18.188.73.161] has joined #scheme 17:39:08 -!- ubuntu-nathan [n=eeepc904@201.78.241.155] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:48:18 saccade__ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-SEVEN-FORTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 17:49:20 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49:55 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:52:01 kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 17:53:27 Summermute [n=Summermu@98.204.67.114] has joined #scheme 17:55:52 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@18.188.73.161] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:57:14 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 18:02:21 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:06:41 So, how's scheme'ing these days? Any interesting projects? 18:07:58 well, Wintermute's early version is chatting on #scheme, so everything must be fine... 18:10:20 Hmmm, Wintermute - great book. For the first time in decades, I actually got a virus and have spent 2 days getting my box back too Scheme-hack worthy status. 18:11:02 But I still don't have a .emacs file - the virus must have been designed for geeks :-) 18:11:21 wat? what did you "get"? 18:12:25 Well, since I'm "new" to viruses and actually have the Symantec product, adaware popped up 6 or so items for quarantine. As a virus newb, I just hist "delete" 18:12:51 what OS is this on? 18:13:42 But it did other really weird stuff, like emptied a c:/bin directory I keep on a my windoze box for all the (cool) software that doesn't have an install. Really, really wierld. 18:14:04 Like it i said - virus made for geeks 18:14:35 odd 18:15:32 -!- beauty [n=beauty@83.231.111.112] has quit ["some delicious sushi please"] 18:18:34 I uninstalled nearly everying; ran the various cleaners; uninstalled SP3; reinstalled sp3 and now i'm just hoping for the best. I'm gonna keep her minimal for a while: PLT, CCL, fasm, emacs, OpenOffice, SMLNJ, this new HydraiRC client I'm trying out and my way old Palm date/address book. That's pretty much it for this box, but hopefully an Ubunto laden new netbook is coming way in the next few weeks. 18:19:39 Well, better luck with the netbook :D 18:21:40 Funny, but the netbook will have a few orders of magnitude more in disk/cpu (and identical in pixels) to the last box I wrote a compiler on 20 years ago :-) 18:21:59 it's funny how that works, eh? 18:22:17 Nshag [i=user@lns-bzn-43-82-249-132-213.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:22:41 ubuntu-nathan [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has joined #scheme 18:22:44 if you wait long enough you will get a compiler that can write you ;) 18:22:57 that was Deep... 18:23:17 It's funny until I realize that my 'ware is mostly way more sluggish than what I used to run back then on DOS 3.3 and Windows 3.0 - and I start to wonder where in the hell we're hiding all the cycles? !!!! 18:24:03 Deep, we already have such a computer and it's been around for millenia - DNA. 18:24:17 Whoops, "computer -> compiler" 18:24:43 :) 18:24:58 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:26:56 -!- centipedefarmer [n=nothingH@173-25-176-111.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:33:29 -!- nathanpc [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:34:32 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-136-80.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:43:32 nathanpc [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has joined #scheme 18:50:00 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-hbcxdyldojwvhjdx] has joined #scheme 18:54:07 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 18:57:01 -!- ubuntu-nathan [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:58:58 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:00:25 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:01:32 jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 19:02:33 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:05:51 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 19:09:57 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 19:10:54 mejja, quick, latest bug! 19:12:33 ehe, hu? 19:13:42 Surely you must have come across a bug by now. 19:14:21 I spent a week and a half to write the x86-64 port, and another half a week for open-coded flonums; after that little time, it must surely be crawling with bugs. 19:16:04 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:19:47 foof` [n=user@FL1-122-131-178-169.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 19:24:41 -!- Modius [n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["I'm big in Japan"] 19:25:32 pavelludiq [n=quassel@83.222.175.184] has joined #scheme 19:26:07 -!- drwho [n=drwho@c-98-225-211-78.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:28:29 drwho [n=drwho@c-98-225-211-78.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:28:39 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 19:28:55 -!- drwho is now known as Guest37527 19:33:35 schmir [n=schmir@p54A90A21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:35:51 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 19:38:01 -!- foof [n=user@FLH1Ahu226.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40:22 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:40:43 -!- samth [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:40:44 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:42:13 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:05:11 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 20:17:59 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit ["reboot"] 20:21:17 Modius [n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:21:57 Does anyone have a copy of Orion, the scsh-based wm? 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21:12:18 exactly 21:12:47 it's bizarre, though, that php and java are coming to the closure table 34 years after scheme 21:13:50 different needs probably 21:14:08 i've never found myself using anonymous classes in java, don't know why 21:14:28 but i use closures everywhere in lisp-like languages 21:14:59 hmm, that is interesting; after i learned scheme, my anonymous class usage shot up 21:15:12 and the performance of my java proggies generally suffered 21:15:25 here's another bizarre thing: they're adding anonymous functions: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddhp95vd_0f7mcns 21:15:56 looks like java is the new python 21:16:21 they copying c# 21:16:39 chupish: http://www.scsh.net/resources/graphics.html 21:16:39 mmmm, i like c# 21:17:28 partial classes, delegates and yields make the language a lot more pleasant to work with 21:17:33 Elk! Anyone used it? Anyone? Bueller? 21:19:36 Lis [n=Lis@p5B20524E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:19:50 sladegen: link does not work, which was what I was referencing :D 21:19:55 question is when will go add continuations. 21:20:15 d'oh, missed lower ftp link... 21:20:23 *chupish* face palms 21:20:27 right. 21:20:42 exactly 21:21:05 "In addition it provides closures in a form that feels natural to anyone who has ever coded an inner class." 21:21:11 In other words, it's not very natural at all! 21:21:40 sladegen there was a proposition for continuations 21:21:51 in the JVM bytecodes for things like JRuby 21:21:56 vher? 21:22:04 beauty: I think he was asking about Go 21:22:11 ah 21:22:28 never tried go 21:22:30 (Java, and almost certainly Go, have continuations already.) 21:22:47 *sladegen* nods: golang, yes, issue9, yes, gobol... 21:23:12 Riastradh how does Java has continuations? 21:23:34 ooo, gobol, that's perfect 21:23:43 go away! 21:23:44 Any sequential language does, beauty: C, Java, Pascal, Scheme, Common Lisp, ML, Python, Ruby, probably also Go, Smalltalk, &c. 21:24:23 In most of those languages, however, continuations are strictly second-class; they cannot be passed to procedures, returned from procedures, stored in data structures, &c., except in very restricted ways. 21:24:26 but you can't capture them 21:24:47 well al least not in the broad sense of scheme ccs 21:24:48 well Go has goto... perhaps labels can be passed by value. 21:25:26 *sladegen* smirks. 21:25:47 what i would like to see in something like lua coroutines in them 21:26:02 i find them a lot easier to reason about 21:26:35 -!- samth [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:26:53 samth [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 21:34:20 -!- chupish [i=182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/x-gsqqfhpiklkuonzn] has quit [] 21:42:42 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-124-156.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:44:09 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 21:48:38 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:50:43 rdd` [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 21:57:18 ubuntu-nathan [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has joined #scheme 21:59:45 -!- nathanpc [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:04:06 Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has joined #scheme 22:04:18 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:05:32 -!- wingo [n=wingo@199.Red-79-156-144.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:14:02 -!- snorble [n=snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:14:06 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:22:05 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:23:54 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:28:44 -!- psc_bw [n=psc_bw@vpn.breakwater.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:40:17 -!- Paraselene__ [n=None@79-68-173-7.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Success] 22:45:29 jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.129] has joined #scheme 22:45:48 *jcowan* unvanishes. 22:46:50 jcowan, how's the committee? 22:47:25 There is no committee as yet. Committee members have to uphold the committee charter, and the charter is not yet finalized. 22:47:42 There are only the chairs, and my completely unofficial proposals at http://tinyurl.com/thing-one . 22:49:20 CoverSlide [n=richard@71-93-131-69.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:49:28 Where can I find a good podcast about Scheme? 22:54:12 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@cpe-173-172-99-25.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:54:47 better read a book... there are SICP videos if you can't. 22:55:18 i don't know of any podcasts about scheme 22:55:31 or any programming languages that ought to be learned by podcast 22:57:11 it's not to learn! 22:57:24 it's to be updated 22:57:35 with the news of scheme ;) 22:57:45 updated on all the fascinating scheme news? 22:58:35 Programmers tend to be textual people. 22:58:53 is there a scheme newsgroup? 22:59:04 I type and read much faster than most people can talk, and listening to someone who talks as fast as I can read or type would quickly become tiring. 22:59:13 comp.lang.scheme 22:59:20 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme 22:59:58 but it gets ugly i hear. 23:06:30 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has quit [] 23:12:22 In a syntax/module-reader module, I'm defining a macro that tries to match #%app forms from a scheme module. I'm using something similar to (syntax-case stx (#%app) [(#%app . _) #'(void)]). This is not working. 23:12:56 is #%app imported? 23:13:08 from scheme/base 23:13:14 you probably need (require (for-syntax scheme/base)) 23:13:25 Oh! 23:13:36 ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 23:13:41 I forgot the for-syntax. 23:13:47 did it fix it? 23:13:55 Trying... 23:14:57 masm, what error message did you get? 23:15:09 *jonrafkind* takes one guess 23:15:13 chandler: You would be able to take dictation on a computer terminal at full speech speed? That's a remarkable talent. 23:15:22 "bad syntax" right 23:16:36 Yep. 23:16:42 ;) 23:17:18 add another clause to your syntax-case that prints out what you actually got 23:17:26 you may want to try syntax-parse, supposedly it has better error messages 23:17:29 jonrafkind: "bad syntax". But it is not working yet... 23:17:32 although the error message should tell you some of that 23:17:44 jcowan: No, but I am able to type coherent sentences faster than I can produce them without "um" or "ah"s. 23:17:50 in particular in this case you have to tell it that #%app is a literal so if #%app is not bound syntax-parse will say something useful 23:18:03 jcowan: That doesn't imply that I can take dictation from someone else, but I do prefer textual communication if at all possible. 23:18:09 Huh. 23:18:10 jcowan: The ability to backspace over something is particularly helpful. 23:18:13 That's still surprising. 23:18:48 masm, yea actually syntax-case is even more annoying because it demultiplexes multiple problems into a single error. unbound literals and non-matching patterns both become "no match" 23:18:51 I don't think it's particularly surprising. About 100 words per minute is sufficient for my typing speed to outpace my brain, particularly on technical matters. When speaking, I'll just insert meaningless filler words. 23:19:09 Perhaps I just have a paritcularly slow brain. 23:19:40 (Erm, "particularly".) 23:20:35 samth: It is an #%app form. I already had an (_) catch all pattern. 23:20:59 There is an #%app in the syntax/module-reader because I can use it. 23:21:05 masm, (_) doesn't match everything 23:21:06 dysinger [n=dysinger@cpe-75-85-132-170.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:21:13 Oh, on technical matters! That I can believe. 23:21:17 it just matches lists with only one element 23:21:22 It may not be the same as the one from scheme. 23:22:13 masm, can you give a more detailed description of what's going on? 23:22:19 samth: I meant this [_ (error "unsupported form" (syntax->datum stx))] 23:22:21 -!- CoverSlide [n=richard@71-93-131-69.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit ["leaving"] 23:22:45 masm, ok 23:22:50 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@83.222.175.184] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:23:46 jcowan: Sorry; I should have inserted a qualifier in the original statement, but it specifically pertained to discussion of Scheme podcasts. 23:23:56 Well, I am trying to elide some forms from the body of the #%module-begin. 23:24:35 I generally find that most podcasters, as with most speakers, insert filler words in order to not outpace their brain, unless they are reading pre-prepared material, in which case I'd almost certainly prefer just to read the original. 23:28:15 The idea is to get the result of the expansion of a module to compile the expanded scheme to javascript. To have require and provide work, I keep the definitions but remove some of the expressions. 23:28:24 schmir [n=schmir@p54A903D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:29:11 That way I get macros, modules and some other things for free. 23:30:53 masm, have you looked at moby.plt on planet? 23:31:08 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [No route to host] 23:32:45 Yes. 23:34:03 I already have a compiler for scheme working in CL. I'm porting it to PLT. 23:34:56 It would take more work to implement continuations and TCO in moby than to port what I have in CL. 23:35:22 minion: chant 23:35:22 MORE WORK 23:35:47 And it would be harder to implement macros and module system in CL that to port it to PLT, so... 23:37:16 ASau`` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 23:39:10 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057457.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:39:26 -!- ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:40:28 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:43:45 -!- tobetchi [n=tobetchi@p296ba7.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:44:29 nathanpc [n=eeepc904@201.78.131.113] has joined #scheme 23:44:52 -!- ubuntu-nathan [n=eeepc904@201.78.238.249] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:46:04 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 23:47:31 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 23:48:51 With syntax-parse I get: #%app: expected the literal identifier #%app in: #%app 23:49:05 jmegner [n=jmegner@c-98-197-3-166.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:49:59 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:50:43 hello 23:50:57 I have a question 23:51:01 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A903D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:51:34 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:52:06 let's say I'm inserting element into a hash table, and I'm doing the nice functional thing of using immutable data structures 23:52:32 each time I add a key-value pair, does a new hash table structure have to be created? 23:52:39 Could the #%app in scheme not be the one in syntax/module-reader? 23:54:10 masm, probably you want `#%plain-app' in the literal 23:54:29 if you are dealing with fully-expanded code 23:54:48 otherwise, you want whatever #%app is in the language you are parsing 23:54:53 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:58:32 -!- bweaver [n=user@c-68-60-0-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:59:18 -!- davazp [n=user@156.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]