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I was wondering what a good general purpose scheme implemenation would be, something with sane debug output for a newbie? 02:36:49 for a newbie, PLT is what the DrScheme ordered. 02:37:17 Fare: :) got it 02:37:19 thanks 02:37:34 I was actually thinking either PLT or MIT really 02:37:50 MIT would have been it like 20-30 years ago. 02:38:08 haha ok 02:38:28 Fare: for curiosity's sake, what of scheme48? 02:39:10 barely maintained. 02:39:17 PLT is actively developed. 02:39:31 ah ok well thats cool, works for me 02:39:40 *and* PLT comes with HtDP, PLAI, etc. -- designed to teach the concepts of programming. 02:40:18 it's far from perfect, but teaching is their primary target, and is well served. 02:40:57 zbrown: you can run arc in PLT 02:41:26 ya, I've not played with scheme deeply, mainly I have worked in Lisp and a variant called LispKit which I implemented for a research project 02:41:50 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:41:59 err I should say "Common Lisp" 02:43:19 Fare: so when going for perf do people often choose Chicken? 02:45:14 sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-224.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:45:31 depends perf at what. Chicken is not bad. For number crunching, some use Stalin. 02:47:06 ah I see 02:47:11 Fare: thanks :) 02:48:01 some like Gambit, too. 02:48:33 the main issue though is what libraries you want to use 02:48:53 because they are not portable across implementation, so once you start a code base, you're locked in. 02:49:18 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@c95193e3.virtua.com.br] has quit [] 02:49:46 ya, I remembered reading that a while back and it sorta kept me from seriously considering scheme mainly because I didn't know what I wanted out of a lib and didn't want to get locked in and realize I'd made a poor choice 02:51:00 just start with one 02:51:17 if you feel locked, porting is not THAT hard, just a pain. 02:51:26 sounds good 03:00:51 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-75-68.netcologne.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:20:23 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:21:18 -!- sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-224.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 03:31:05 oh darnit. I was hoping to use '() as a return value to say "abort this", but '() already means "reached end of list" in that function because of the way it's recursive... 03:31:08 *Chani* thinks 03:32:13 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 03:34:06 if at any point in the recursion it gets '() from the function it's calling, it needs to return '() (or *something* that indicates things went wrong). that means I can't just use cons to stick the current result onto the result of recursing... I have to check that what I'm recursing didn't return something bad... but then I have to be able to tell hte difference between something bad happening and just hitting the end of the list... 03:37:34 -!- copumpkin is now known as ToposTartare 03:37:39 ahh, I can just return 0, I guess, and check list? 03:38:10 Chani, what about using an escape continuation? 03:39:13 (or exceptions, or whatelse) 03:39:15 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:43:39 rassle frakkin frakkin java 03:46:11 -!- foof` is now known as foof 03:52:40 tjafk [n=timj@e176195217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:54:22 -!- timj [n=timj@e176215229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:55:31 -!- bohanlon [n=bohanlon@pool-173-48-104-141.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 04:02:34 samth [n=samth@c-76-24-221-216.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:10:11 minion: memo for mejja No, no SSE4. I included a couple of SSE4a instructions in instrf.scm only because they were in the AMD manual, which I was mostly transcribing in full. 04:10:12 were you really? 04:10:31 minion: memo for mejja: No, no SSE4. I included a couple of SSE4a instructions in instrf.scm only because they were in the AMD manual, which I was mostly transcribing in full. 04:10:32 Remembered. I'll tell mejja when he/she/it next speaks. 04:10:53 Jacolyte, you can run scripts with MIT Scheme by running: mit-scheme --batch-mode --load foo.scm --eval '(%exit)' 04:13:46 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:14:05 -!- Riastrad1 is now known as Riastradh 04:16:37 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [] 04:21:46 leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.146.247] has joined #scheme 04:27:26 o_O compiling gambit is consuming 1.59 GB of memory 04:27:29 wtf. 04:27:52 Gambit generates C code off which GCC readily bites more than it can chew. 04:28:08 I see 04:28:12 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:29:40 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 04:30:09 -!- didi [n=user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 04:30:11 *zbrown* is oddly entertained by building gambit on a machine w/ 4 gigs of ram and actually noticing it 04:31:00 If I recall correctly, configuring Gambit with --disable-single-host should reduce the effort that GCC burdens itself with while compiling Gambit's C code. 04:31:29 at least for now it seems to be surviving so I'll leave it be 04:31:40 building it via MacPorts so I'd have to hack some config files to do that anyway 04:33:40 jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 04:35:00 -!- guenthr [n=unknown@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:35:01 guenthr [n=unknown@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has joined #scheme 04:35:23 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:43:34 hey zbrown nic to see you in here! 04:43:43 I didn't know you were a schemer too! 04:44:36 emma: hehe, I'm not a serious one. Its a language I tend to play around with when prototyping 04:45:09 emma: I've got a class wehre we're using it a bit and I figure I may as well play with it more than I have in the past and try to use it more. 04:52:32 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:53:50 -!- Jacolyte [n=blaine@unaffiliated/jacolyte] has quit ["leaving"] 05:26:41 jeapostrophe [n=jay@206.135.66.130] has joined #scheme 05:31:56 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 05:34:27 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-224.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:37:54 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 05:47:17 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-224.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:49:32 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-224.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 06:02:38 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:06:14 -!- crink [n=crink@unaffiliated/crink] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:07:51 crink [n=crink@unaffiliated/crink] has joined #scheme 06:23:26 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@206.135.66.130] has quit [] 06:24:36 -!- ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit ["off"] 06:27:28 Pip [n=chatzill@222.128.30.27] has joined #scheme 06:30:21 jeapostrophe [n=jay@206.135.66.130] has joined #scheme 06:34:04 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@206.135.66.130] has quit [Client Quit] 06:47:30 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 07:08:49 -!- ToposTartare [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has left #scheme 07:08:53 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:24:25 ASau [n=user@host183-231-msk.microtest.ru] has joined #scheme 07:31:27 -!- MarcWebe1 is now known as MarcWeber 07:32:15 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 07:50:25 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:59:20 -!- xwl__ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:04:25 pavelludiq [n=quassel@83.222.175.184] has joined #scheme 08:28:10 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:28:25 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 08:35:54 -!- Pip [n=chatzill@222.128.30.27] has left #scheme 08:38:24 -!- samth [n=samth@c-76-24-221-216.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:38:58 xwl__ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 08:40:34 rudybot_ [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 08:42:43 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:43:59 -!- offby1 [n=user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:53:46 wingo [n=wingo@dhcp-47-89.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 09:00:32 -!- mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:01:18 mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 09:07:42 -!- crink [n=crink@unaffiliated/crink] has quit ["Leaving."] 09:15:03 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@cpe-173-172-99-25.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:20:47 -!- xwl__ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:25:40 -!- wingo [n=wingo@dhcp-47-89.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:27:44 -!- mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:28:36 mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 09:32:20 mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 09:35:08 xwl__ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 09:46:58 squidsoup [n=kit@121-74-238-125.telstraclear.net] has joined #scheme 09:53:45 hi schematrons 10:01:16 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 10:04:39 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:05:49 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:06:00 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 10:07:02 -!- squidsoup [n=kit@121-74-238-125.telstraclear.net] has quit [] 10:18:23 wingo [n=wingo@dhcp-47-89.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 10:18:32 -!- wingo [n=wingo@dhcp-47-89.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:24:14 hjpark [n=user@jaram.hanyang.ac.kr] has joined #scheme 10:24:43 is there any Intermediate Language Definition for Lisp? 10:25:31 i'm implementing scheme compiler... I need some information for scheme intermediate language. 10:38:26 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:38:31 underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 10:43:44 -!- hjpark [n=user@jaram.hanyang.ac.kr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:43:53 hjpark [n=user@jaram.hanyang.ac.kr] has joined #scheme 10:44:01 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:46:33 mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 10:50:19 There are billions of intermediate languages; pick one 10:50:43 -!- jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit ["Leaving..."] 10:53:19 hmmm scheme-brainfuck-binary 10:53:24 that sounds like a world of hurt 10:53:35 schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 10:53:59 Your task is scheme to befunge, get to work 10:54:18 Jafet: Nah, Scheme to Malborge 10:54:21 >_< 10:54:22 .oO( Bonus points for implementing cons with boxes and arrows ) 10:54:34 oh lawdy 10:57:29 scheme to piet is a worthy challenge 10:59:49 piet? hmm never heard of that 11:00:05 ooooh ya I have, the colors 11:01:40 geometric abstract art.. piet is also a challenge because of the limited set of instructions when you target it 11:02:12 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 11:07:08 Problem with piet output is the constant temptation to redraw it yourself 11:12:12 mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 11:16:49 masm [n=masm@bl10-244-45.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 11:23:44 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 11:29:01 -!- hjpark [n=user@jaram.hanyang.ac.kr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:30:11 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 11:34:19 jeapostrophe [n=jay@206.135.66.130] has joined #scheme 11:36:45 -!- underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has quit [] 11:39:40 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote 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to scheme, am using drschem's r5rs, and trying to use a reader on my own data, but the reader lower cases all symbols, its looks like r5rs does not allow setting any kind of options on it, what can i do? 15:46:26 -!- kazzmir [n=kazzmir@98.202.86.149] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:46:26 Use strings, not symbols, if you want to represent text. 15:46:46 kazzmir [n=kazzmir@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 15:53:42 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 15:54:26 Am I taking crazy pills or something? I'm trying to use filter in a function in DrScheme (R5RS) and it tells me that the filter is an undefined identifier 15:54:35 od I need to include something? 15:55:05 The R5RS does not define any bindings for the name FILTER. SRFI 1 does, though. 15:55:12 ooh ok 15:56:34 mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has joined #scheme 15:59:22 jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:00:02 bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:04:25 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 16:08:02 -!- ASau` [n=user@host183-231-msk.microtest.ru] has quit ["off"] 16:18:06 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:20:44 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 16:22:53 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 16:23:08 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 16:30:31 leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.146.247] has joined #scheme 16:32:37 ddp [n=ddp@65.255.53.171] has joined #scheme 16:32:50 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 16:33:06 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 16:36:51 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 16:42:54 mejja: kapwing! 16:44:17 zbrown: Why are you using R5RS? 16:45:51 Riastradh: I can haz SIGSEGVz 16:45:52 mejja, memo from Riastrad1: No, no SSE4. I included a couple of SSE4a instructions in instrf.scm only because they were in the AMD manual, which I was mostly transcribing in full. 16:46:26 Please let me know how you can haz themz, mejja. 16:47:28 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.146.247] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:48:06 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:53:42 -!- j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:55:46 mejja pasted "ray.scm" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/90241 16:56:12 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:58:42 I ran (go). Works for me. 16:59:07 Good. 16:59:41 After compiling it, that is. 17:00:43 mejja annotated #90241 "mbrot" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/90241#1 17:03:53 OK, that segfaults for me (if I set all the options that jrm suggested). 17:05:25 compiler:generate-range-checks? and compiler:generate-type-checks? suffice I think.. 17:07:55 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:08:00 Yes, all the others are the default settings. 17:08:24 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:09:49 schmir` [n=schmir@p54A91330.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:11:11 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:12:00 ejs [n=eugen@135-212-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 17:12:00 ve [n=a@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 17:15:58 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 17:18:17 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [] 17:18:20 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:18:39 *leppie* touches wood and hopes this stupid WIFI will be better now 17:22:23 BTW, why is it called WI-_FI_? What's the FI for? 17:22:38 fidelity? 17:22:56 fashionable insanity 17:22:57 Like in HI-FI? Does it make sense? :-) 17:22:58 doesn't make much sense, but that's what the fi stands for in "hi-fi", for example 17:23:10 :) 17:23:57 -!- samth_away2 is now known as samth_not_really 17:24:11 -!- samth_not_really is now known as samth_sorta_away 17:24:28 In your case, leppie, I suppose it means F**** Intermittent. :-) 17:24:35 i think I have some other AP's that is causing me grief, but yet I cant find a single free app (that works on desktop wireless cards) for Windows to scan the neighbourhood, Windows just reports my AP 17:25:17 There was that one program...Net-something 17:25:23 dont work 17:25:26 netstumbler 17:25:41 desktop cards are apparently different... 17:25:56 -!- foof [n=user@FLH1Ahu226.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:26:23 but anyways, I got 4/5 bars now solidly, so I guess its better, but last time that happened, my GF's laptop would not connect at all :( 17:28:19 bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has joined #scheme 17:30:47 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 17:30:48 Gee, thanks, AMD. Some of the `opcode' bytes for SSE instructions are actually prefixes for which order apparently matters. 17:30:58 j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has joined #scheme 17:31:06 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:34:14 -!- ejs [n=eugen@135-212-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:34:55 Riastradh: No DWIM instruction? Gee that sucks... 17:40:25 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:43:43 -!- tonyg [n=tonyg@host238.lshift.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:48:29 lol mario-goulart :) earlier I read imminemt, wasn't so funny ;p 17:50:16 :-) 17:52:47 on the plus side, the laptop is running perfect too, yay! 17:56:25 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [] 18:00:07 ejs [n=eugen@118-21-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 18:01:47 I wonder what the `I' in COMISS, COMISD, UCOMISS, and UCOMISD stands for. 18:02:29 (Those are the mnemonics for `Compare (Un-)Ordered Scalar {Single,Double}-Precision Floating-Point'.) 18:03:27 Insignificant 18:03:36 Intermittent! 18:03:40 :-) 18:03:57 indirect? 18:04:45 inscrutable! 18:04:57 Also, why in the name of !@#*&@^!%@&$(!^ does ^G kill both Emacs and Git when Git runs Emacs as a subprocess during `git commit'? 18:05:22 No warning, no terminal reset -- just *poof*, they're gone, and the terminal is screwed up. 18:05:47 -!- samth_sorta_away is now known as samth 18:05:56 Riastradh: "Inequality", perhaps? 18:06:08 Hmmm. Could be. 18:06:17 (But they're also used to compare for equality.) 18:06:24 (Not to mention liberty and fraternity.) 18:08:55 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [] 18:11:33 mejja, should be fixed. 18:11:53 stuncbilek [n=stuncbil@212.174.74.11] has joined #scheme 18:11:54 (And the compiler shouldn't need to be resyntaxed this time.) 18:14:01 dudrenov [n=user@adsl-99-147-43-193.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:16:31 -!- stuncbilek [n=stuncbil@212.174.74.11] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:16:54 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-161.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 18:20:32 A crashfix a day keeps the dr(scheme?) away 18:28:15 TR2N [i=email@89.180.140.144] has joined #scheme 18:28:17 -!- schmir` [n=schmir@p54A91330.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:28:51 -!- ejs [n=eugen@118-21-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:28:53 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:32:51 aack [n=user@a83-161-214-179.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 18:33:35 -!- samth [n=samth@c-76-24-220-74.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:01:27 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:09:36 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-blbhqdwycpcofiez] has joined #scheme 19:10:44 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:24:18 -!- untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:36:58 -!- bzzbzz [n=franco@207.236.146.245] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:39:02 -!- nothingHappens [n=nothingH@173-25-176-111.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:47:20 Lis [n=Lis@p5B205142.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:52:39 jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.129] has joined #scheme 19:53:43 In Lisps with locatives (not CL or RnRS Scheme), does anyone know whether GCs were able to reclaim parts of an otherwise-garbage object pointed to by the locative 19:53:46 ? 19:56:43 I don't know, but I do know that the semantics of locatives was very easily confusing. 19:57:29 I am about to stick my neck out and state that no such partial-reclamation GC has ever existed. 19:57:34 `Either of the functions CAR and CDR may be given a locative, and will return the contents of the cell at which the locative points. They are both equivalent to CONTENTS when the argument is a locative.' 19:58:03 Arrays (etc.) are reclaimed as a whole or not at all. 19:58:05 When X is cdr-coded, moreover, (LOCF (CDR X)) = X (but (LOCF (CAR X)) is not X, of course). 20:04:23 In T, by the way, locatives are straightforward objects; essentially, (LOCATIVE
) is an object L such that (CONTENTS L) evaluates and (SET (CONTENTS L) ) evaluates (SET ). There's no magic object representation underlying them. 20:05:41 rouslan [n=Rouslan@pool-70-109-151-129.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 20:06:11 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has left #scheme 20:12:42 floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:13:28 -!- floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:13:48 floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:14:42 -!- floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:15:53 floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:16:49 -!- floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:18:22 Jacolyte [n=blaine@unaffiliated/jacolyte] has joined #scheme 20:20:57 floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:21:06 -!- floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:21:14 floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:21:23 -!- floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:21:55 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:23:10 forgleborgle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:23:30 -!- ddp [n=ddp@65.255.53.171] has left #scheme 20:25:45 -!- forgleborgle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:25:59 forgleborgle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:26:32 -!- forgleborgle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:27:11 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 20:28:32 floodleboodle [n=nobody@Wabe8.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 20:33:20 emmy [n=a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/eris.tuxhacker.org/x-ckmuvfczgdsovxid] has joined #scheme 20:34:14 -!- emmy [n=a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/eris.tuxhacker.org/x-ckmuvfczgdsovxid] has quit [Client Quit] 20:45:59 ejs [n=eugen@59-17-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:46 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:51:16 -!- dudrenov [n=user@adsl-99-147-43-193.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:56:55 chturne [n=chatzill@host86-143-95-109.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 20:57:15 hello, how to make ((1 2) (3 4)) into (1 2 3 4) ? 20:57:59 (list-flatten '((1 2) (3 4))) 20:58:04 -!- tessier [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has quit ["leaving"] 20:58:06 Though you may have to implement list-flatten. 20:58:09 tessier [n=treed@216.105.40.113] has joined #scheme 20:58:14 (apply append '((1 2) (3 4))) 20:58:38 rudybot_: (apply append '((1 2) (3 4))) 20:58:38 jlongster: eh? Try "rudybot_: help". 20:58:46 rudybot_: eval (apply append '((1 2) (3 4))) 20:58:47 jlongster: your sandbox is ready 20:58:47 jlongster: ; Value: (1 2 3 4) 20:59:02 rudybot_: eval (apply append '((1 2) (3 (4 5)))) 20:59:02 jlongster: ; Value: (1 2 3 (4 5)) 20:59:20 Kinda funny that SRFI 1 doesn't have such a function. 20:59:24 Arelius [n=Indy@208.87.217.194] has joined #scheme 20:59:50 thanks jlongster, that'll do :) 21:00:32 Although, I'm the one creating the nested lists :P -- I just am getting so confused with all these lambdas and mapping that I've no idea how to throw out a flat list in the first place :? 21:00:51 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 21:01:07 anyone here familiar with the SICP picture language? 21:04:41 im trying to make a flat list out of this -> http://paste.lisp.org/display/90257 <- but the LIST in the map makes nested ones, no idea how to string them all toghether 21:05:13 (apart from jlongster solution, /after/ doing the map) 21:05:38 hjpark [n=user@116.40.135.21] has joined #scheme 21:06:41 Use APPEND-MAP, rather than APPEND: where MAP uses CONS, APPEND-MAP uses APPEND. 21:07:58 jcowan, it's not really all that funny. Such arbitrarily nested lists seldom come up in real life, and if there is reason for nested structures like that to come up, they are probably better off using a nicer data structure. 21:08:30 -!- ejs [n=eugen@59-17-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:08:32 (For example, weight-balanced/bounded-balance binary trees.) 21:08:50 Fair enough. 21:09:12 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 21:10:54 Riastradh: thanks a lot, that does just what I need :D 21:27:50 -!- Lis [n=Lis@p5B205142.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:37:18 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:37:58 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-78-35-200-168.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:44:41 -!- hjpark [n=user@116.40.135.21] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:56:27 npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 22:13:14 -!- aack [n=user@a83-161-214-179.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:16:55 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:29:01 untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #scheme 22:35:14 peddie [n=peddie@TEP.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 22:39:10 ddp [n=ddp@65.255.53.171] has joined #scheme 22:39:46 -!- ddp [n=ddp@65.255.53.171] has left #scheme 22:40:02 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:41:11 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:42:11 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-78-35-200-168.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:50:22 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:51:18 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 22:55:30 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [No route to host] 22:57:44 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:58:10 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 22:58:23 -!- chturne [n=chatzill@host86-143-95-109.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"] 23:02:05 rouslan [n=Rouslan@pool-70-109-151-129.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 23:02:45 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:08:51 samth [n=samth@c-76-24-220-74.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:11:27 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@cpe-75-85-135-191.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:17:50 what's a locative? 23:19:17 duncanm: what isn't a locative 23:19:19 A pointer to one of the fields of a compound object such as a pair, a vector, etc. 23:19:40 something that expresses location 23:20:02 duncanm: what is a pronoun :-P 23:20:14 And Hu's in China. 23:22:34 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-161.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:26:44 jcowan: aha, i see a section on locatives in the LispM manual 23:27:49 So, lambdabot is not logging the channel anymore ? 23:27:58 lambdabot never logged #scheme. 23:28:34 Oh. Is it rudybot_ that does it ? 23:28:45 No. clog and ccl-logbot log #scheme. 23:28:52 clog's logs are at . 23:28:56 Thanks Riastradh. 23:28:58 I don't remember where ccl-logbot's are. 23:28:58 rcassidy [n=rcassidy@155.33.149.150] has joined #scheme 23:29:05 Oh, I guess they're at . 23:29:07 duncanm: There's a reference to them in CLtL too, explaining why CL doesn't have them. 23:29:25 It is straightforward to implement locatives in Common Lisp. 23:29:45 A little DEFSTRUCT, GET-SETF-EXPANSION, and LAMBDA will do the trick. 23:30:39 This implementation by Lars Brinkhoff claims to handle conses, structs, and classes. 23:31:44 i have a copy of the T book at home, and i just read the 2 pages on locatives there 23:32:13 and it made me realize that i might not have understood how SET! works 23:32:25 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Nantes-117-4-155.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 23:32:31 T's SET is different from the R5RS's SET!. 23:32:37 Riastradh: oh! 23:32:40 (and the RnRS's SET!, for that matter, for any n) 23:32:51 that's a relief 23:32:52 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.sources.code/17 23:33:14 i assumed that T's SET is the same as SET! in R5RS 23:33:14 In T, (SET ( ...) ) is equivalent to ((SETTER ) ... ). 23:33:53 right right, that i knew 23:34:21 SRFI 17, in fact. 23:34:37 jcowan: the generalized SET! SRFI? 23:35:43 Yes. 23:36:30 It also provides GETTER-WITH-SETTER to associate a getter procedure with a setter. 23:36:58 which is why I consider the design broken. 23:38:45 yeah, i always thought it was a nice feature, but it didn't seem to be used widely 23:38:52 jcowan: i just read that paragraph in the SRFI, i don't get it 23:39:02 Don't get what? 23:39:08 Specifically: (getter-with-setter getter setter) 23:39:10 This evaluates to a new anonymous procedure which when applied invokes getter, and whose setter is setter. 23:40:27 It's so you can say (define foo (getter-with-setter (lambda (...) ...) set-foo!)) 23:41:03 It is how you create procedures with setters, duncanm. Otherwise, the SETTER procedure would be totally useless, as would the generalized SET! form. 23:41:23 Oh, except for setting the cdaddadadar of something, or elements of strings or vectors. 23:42:31 ah 23:42:37 i think i get it now 23:43:11 Riastradh: Not so, you can use (set! (setter foo) set-foo!) 23:43:42 You're right. 23:43:45 The point of getter-with-setter is that it doesn't side-effect the getter. 23:43:58 And it moreover does not have a portable expression. 23:45:39 What doesn't? 23:46:11 GETTER-WITH-SETTER 23:46:24 -!- TR2N [i=email@89.180.140.144] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:46:43 TR2N [i=email@89-180-204-132.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 23:46:45 What's wrong with the definition in the SRFI? 23:47:24 Given a procedure P, the value of (eq? p (lambda x (apply p x))) is not specified. 23:48:47 Hence the command (set! (setter proc) set) may have the same effect as (set! 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