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I have to think of something for the other value... 02:31:45 so I'll just return as the other value a procedure to produce the next value and continue as normal yay 02:32:35 -!- ContraSF [i=email@89.180.141.118] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:39:29 synx: You're rambling again. 02:42:25 If multiple values kill you, shouldn't you be too dead to ramble? 02:50:10 -!- X-Scale` is now known as TR2N 02:50:36 well, okay here's the deal 02:53:27 synx pasted "contextastrophy" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/89967 02:54:14 numeric-limit is relatively simple. It returns the next loop of the iteration, unless the number gets too high, in which case it errors out. 02:54:42 string-reader, which works, is a bit more complicated. It has to return the procedure to read the next string, and also the string just read. 02:56:05 line-producer I'm at a loss though. It's vanishingly complex. 02:56:34 I just want to read strings, find the lines in them, and account for a line spanning more than one string being read. 02:57:39 It seems like it's one thing to find lines in a string, but another entirely to paste together strings of the same line, and the backtracking is just killer. 02:58:05 If I find a string with two \ns in it, I don't want to smush it together and split it again. I just want to make two lines, and a next procedure. 02:58:14 But I can only return one line at a time... 02:58:27 so... one line, and a next procedure for the rest of the lines, and then a next procedure? 03:01:43 yesss producers within producers 03:12:02 Perhaps you should consider using monadic style. 03:15:33 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:15:38 -!- ve [n=a@94.193.95.252] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:16:13 ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 03:16:56 what's that? 03:26:13 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 03:30:28 xwl [n=user@125.34.175.198] has joined #scheme 03:49:13 figures 03:49:39 well maybe I'll return an object that has either a value or a next step, like a record. 03:52:33 tjaway [n=timj@e176207227.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:52:37 That sounds oddly monadic. 04:09:29 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176222192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 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question being, why would you want to do that? 12:50:16 i just want to learn that 12:50:19 i am carious 12:50:25 (lambda (blah) (define (internal-blah blah) ...) (internal-blah blah)) works fine 12:50:28 i am just carious about rhart 12:50:36 hmm 12:50:54 Haskell and Joy are nicer languages to try combinatory programming in, for certain values of "nice" 12:50:55 is it possible to write recursive function without any define 12:51:24 Use a recursion combinator. 12:51:34 Y,Z 12:51:37 which one 12:51:43 X 12:51:54 I leave that to you as an exercise. 12:52:00 okey 12:52:12 you know curry function 12:53:06 anyway 12:53:11 i found that adrsü 12:53:13 http://shaurz.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/haskell-style-parser-combinators-in-scheme/ 12:53:15 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/ysphwg 12:53:40 I don't read blog posts whose titles make me cringe... 12:53:43 intweresting bot 12:54:34 why does it make you cringe 12:56:17 No idea. I haven't read it, see. 13:03:16 hellyeah: you might like to read SRFI 31 13:12:51 -!- wingo [n=wingo@81.39.161.112] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 13:34:49 srfI 31 okey 13:35:20 mmm that's nothing more than a named let 13:35:24 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 13:35:58 and hance not 'anonymous' 13:36:00 hence 13:37:31 is it possible to write recursive,iterative or cps function with only using lambda 13:37:44 yes 13:38:10 one of those 2 combinators you mentioned does it 13:39:00 hmm i just want to learn how to do that Let say y combinator how can i use that did you just suggest any tutorial or book 13:39:49 anyway 13:39:56 i ask other question 13:40:10 are procedure and routine same things ? 13:43:13 -!- TR2N [n=email@89.180.206.188] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:43:59 ContraSF [n=email@89.180.212.188] has joined #scheme 13:52:30 lolcow [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:52:31 -!- leppie 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#scheme 18:53:52 Kind schemely folk, a question on "good form" when it comes to macro processing and phases. 18:56:39 Say, for the sake of argument, I had a feature that could "touch" the time stamp of a file during macro expansion. And the same function was available in some "normal" scheme library. Now, this function doesn't really confuse between macro expansion and runtime, but let's say it did - would it be "good form" to write two routines with different names, or more likely, write one routine and then assign a new name to the "macroexpansion" phase example? H 18:56:51 ? H 18:56:58 cuttoff 18:57:19 Sorry. " Now, this function doesn't really confuse between macro expansion and runtime, but let's say it did - would it be "good form" to write two routines with different names, or more likely, write one routine and then assign a new name to the "macroexpansion" phase example? Hope all that makes sense." 18:57:28 Does that help? 18:57:49 I need an IRC feature that cuts me off when it should - like my favorite bar tender :-) 18:57:53 it helps :p 18:59:18 You don't need a separate name. You just need it to be separated from the definition of a macro that calls it (rather than that expands into a call to it). That is, (define (touch-my-file) ...) (define-syntax macro ... (touch-my-file ...) ...) is not OK, because the macro-expand-time environment is confounded with the run-time environment. 18:59:36 To add a wrinkle - one can imagine routines that operate at both phases that might well do "slightly" different things. Like say, log calls during macro expansion for later debugging, but not log during "normal" execution. 19:00:04 In that case you need a different operation. 19:00:48 Riastradh to the rescue - all makes sense, thanks again! 19:16:36 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 19:31:37 -!- hellyeah [n=benebiog@hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:38:08 -!- offby1 [n=user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:41:13 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:50:22 r2q2 [n=user@dhcp-vlan3242-31-162.wireless.uic.edu] has joined #scheme 19:56:03 schmir [n=schmir@p54A919FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:03:01 -!- Nshag [i=user@193.248.206.184] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:04:36 ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.195.120] has joined #scheme 20:05:06 Arelius` [n=user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 20:05:38 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 20:17:49 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A919FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:23:42 wingo [n=wingo@112.Red-81-39-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:29:32 metasyntax` [n=taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:33:14 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-5-197.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 20:33:49 sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-102-64.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:35:20 evening 20:35:25 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:37:01 ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:38:00 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 20:41:01 -!- poe [n=poe@unaffiliated/poe] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:41:38 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 20:42:39 ASau`` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:44:09 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:44:36 ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:45:04 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:46:52 -!- ASau`` is now known as ASau 20:49:49 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-173-92.netcologne.de] has quit [Success] 20:50:33 -!- ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:55:12 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-198-225.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:06:43 masm [n=masm@bl9-115-202.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 21:10:12 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit ["off"] 21:11:47 dmoerner [n=dmr@89-214.res.pomona.edu] has joined #scheme 21:23:09 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.195.120] has quit [] 21:26:46 ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.195.120] has joined #scheme 21:27:58 yay 21:28:05 ? 21:28:15 [12:35] evening 21:28:16 Why so joyous, offby1? 21:28:28 Nice to see someone improving Guile. 21:28:42 tx offby1 21:28:58 used ta be my Scheme of choice, back in the old days ... 21:29:03 *offby1* gets all rheumy 21:29:32 guile was almost my first scheme 21:29:54 but it wasn't (isn't?) very supported on Windows 21:30:14 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:31:39 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:32:10 ventonegro: i hear it works with mingw 21:32:21 that's not quite as integrated as it could be tho 21:32:40 well, it's not GNU's mission anyway 21:32:57 glad to see it's improving too 21:36:09 bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:39:43 bombshelter13___ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:41:51 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.195.120] has quit [] 21:43:05 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:50:05 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:50:13 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:50:26 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:52:27 -!- sepult` is now known as sepult 21:53:47 -!- bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:01:46 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 22:03:47 maximecaron [n=maximeca@199.84.42.154] has joined #scheme 22:04:57 i am looking at the r6rs lexical syntax at page 13 but i dont understand the "" rule can someone help me ? 22:06:45 Summermute66: http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/class/archive/272/spring1997/tclos/tutorial.shtml 22:06:48 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/2qupd8 22:10:46 maximecaron: give us the URL of what you're looking at 22:12:10 maximecaron: I'm guessing http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs/r6rs-Z-H-7.html#node_sec_4.2.8 22:13:08 paipimenta [n=paipimen@cpe-98-154-90-81.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:13:55 hello all, I'm watching SICP lectures, and I want to download and run Scheme to learn it... I'm on a MacBook, what's the best way to implement Scheme? 22:14:03 -!- bombshelter13___ [n=bombshel@CPE004005ca19db-CM000f211fd04a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:14:07 paipimenta: I don't think you meant "implement" 22:14:15 right 22:14:17 anyway, I think those lectures go well with MIT scheme 22:14:19 hey offby1 :-) 22:14:24 stalker!! 22:14:38 I don't know how well MIT scheme works on a mac, since I don't use either. 22:14:54 I've also heard there's a plugin, or something, for SICP that works with PLT scheme. 22:15:41 there's actually a Mac OS X binary! :-D excellent 22:16:05 http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs/r6rs-Z-H-7.html#node_sec_4.2.1 ? 22:16:05 | | + 22:17:01 yeah, I see that 22:17:20 I don't actually have an R6RS scheme running at the moment, so I can't try this, but it _looks_ like you can write numbers as "1|10". 22:17:22 rudybot: init r6rs 22:17:28 *offby1: error: r6rs: must contain a `library' form (for a library) or start with `import' (for a top-level program) in: (#%module-begin) 22:17:34 nuts. 22:17:46 does PLT stand for PLaneT or PLane T? 22:17:50 neither 22:18:07 not sure it stands for anything, really, but I assume it originally stood for something dull like "Programming Languages Team". 22:18:14 eli would probably know. 22:19:02 that would completely satisfy my acronym blank spot :-) 22:19:05 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:19:20 and it looks much more comprehensive than MIT scheme 22:20:08 -!- seamus_android [n=alistair@host86-154-174-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:21:49 For what it's worth, MIT Scheme runs just fine on a Mac, particularly if you have an Intel Mac. 22:21:53 ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 22:22:17 chandler: yeah, and I would probably drown in PLT right now and not learn the essentials 22:22:31 paipimenta: PLT has pretty good documentation. 22:22:37 Nice gentle intro, but also plenty of details 22:23:14 paipimenta: Honestly, I think it's probably the other way around. PLT has a gentler learning curve, particularly if you are comparing DrScheme to Edwin. 22:23:50 on the other hand, Edwin is the most emacs-like of the emacs clones 22:24:02 not even sure it's fair to call it a "clone" 22:24:17 ... What set is included in "the emacs clones"? 22:24:49 oh, I dunno. MicroGnu Emacs, for sure 22:25:18 so emacs:elisp::Edwin:MIT Scheme::DrScheme:PLT Scheme? 22:25:19 any editor that advertises itself as emacs-like. I can't think of specific ones, but there are surely a bunch of them. 22:25:27 well 22:25:32 emacs:elisp::Edwin:MIT Scheme , certainly 22:25:43 but I wouldn't include DrScheme in that 22:25:50 DrScheme is much more narrowly-focussed 22:25:57 I don't think you can extend it at runtime, e.g. 22:26:10 offby1: In particular, I'm thinking of Hemlock here; outside of the use of Space Delimited Words For Commands, I'm not sure how Hemlock is further from GNU Emacs than Edwin is. 22:26:11 it happens to be -written- in PLT scheme, but that's all 22:26:21 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-5-197.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit ["..."] 22:26:26 chandler: can't remember Hemlock. Is that CL? 22:26:31 if so I'd certainly include that 22:26:32 (and that's a tic that it inherited from ZWEI) 22:26:35 offby1: Yes. 22:27:12 well, this has certainly been one of the friendlist rooms in freenode or IRC in general.... looking forward to coming back after extensive lecture, reading, and coding 22:27:35 other fun rooms: #git (if you're into that sort of thing) ... #emacs (but it's kinda noisy) 22:27:39 oh you're already there :) 22:28:30 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 22:28:57 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DB2F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:29:22 -!- paipimenta [n=paipimen@cpe-98-154-90-81.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["LISP-ing"] 22:29:30 maximecaron: I'm building ikarus now to try it out 22:30:46 -!- copumpkin is now known as coprogrammer 22:30:49 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:31:17 ooh, ikarus' "make check" sure spews a lot of interesting characters to the output 22:32:35 pavelludiq [n=quassel@83.222.175.184] has joined #scheme 22:33:40 maximecaron: hah, in ikarus, "1|10" is indeed a number. So I think part of the R6RS spec has a typo: there's a line that says " ", but it should instead say " | " -- that is, it's missing the crucial | character. 22:36:09 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 22:36:18 *eli* would answer those questions if paipimenta was still here 22:36:30 hello eli 22:36:40 wingo: Good morning. 22:37:23 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:37:26 wingo: I can just as well reply to your email now... 22:38:11 eli: which mail? 22:38:12 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 22:38:21 *wingo* reads eli's kw/optional arg paper 22:38:27 it's nice. 22:38:35 wingo: the one from two months ago, so I'm sure you won't remember that. 22:38:43 It's about the precise GC issue. 22:38:45 eli: ah, regarding gc 22:38:46 yes 22:39:19 fax [n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax] has joined #scheme 22:39:31 *wingo* is all ears, for a few minutes before going to sleep anyway 22:39:55 eww, gross. 22:40:52 what do you have against ears, offby1 22:43:15 nothing if there are only a couple. 22:43:35 but a giant 110-pound heap of ears, well ... 22:44:04 The amount of wax generated would be intimidating. 22:44:51 yes. i see the implications. 22:45:41 eli: "would be"? Apparently you haven't actually looked at the man 22:45:45 it's disgusting, I tell ya 22:45:52 -!- Foofie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:46:20 eli: i am interested in hearing your thoughts, but i think i am sleep-bound 22:46:26 another time, hopefully :) 22:46:37 wingo about two more minutes 22:46:50 but it's an email -- the kind of thing you can read when you have time. 22:47:04 ah, better. tx then. 22:49:17 karme [n=user@kallisto.karme.de] has joined #scheme 22:59:42 -!- splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 23:00:08 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@37pc222.sshunet.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:01:29 caoliver [n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:06:20 pdponze [n=pdponze@144.85.120.251] has joined #scheme 23:06:48 -!- pdponze [n=pdponze@144.85.120.251] has quit [Client Quit] 23:08:04 offby1: r6rs is correct in that point. matissa width is either empty or a bar followed by one or more digit. there's an ambiguity in reading " | | +" though 23:08:33 Has anyone seen f00f lately? 23:09:01 brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:12:32 rudybot: seen f00f 23:12:33 *offby1: No sign of f00f 23:12:36 rudybot: seen foof 23:12:37 *offby1: foof was seen in/on #scheme twenty-one hours, forty-three minutes ago, saying "rudybot: You don't have docs for dickory?!", and then foof was seen quitting in/on FLH1Afl135.osk.mesh.ad.jp seventeen hours, thirty-seven minutes ago, saying ""ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"" 23:12:57 The Bot knows all 23:13:27 I've fiddle a bit with his Chibi scheme, and wonder if he's taking patches given it's early days for that software. 23:13:33 s/fiddle/fiddled/ 23:13:48 Hail to the bot. 23:13:48 *shrug* 23:13:53 my hunch is: sure, why not? 23:16:33 offby1: is "seventeen hours, thirty-seven minutes ago" supposed to be an *easier* to read version of "17h 37m ago"? Or even better, "around 18 hours ago"? 23:17:58 eli: I never considered "17h 37m ago". 23:18:14 It's supposed to be easier than "17h 37m 42.233s ago" 23:18:37 I like it 23:18:51 I deliberately chose to include not just one unit (i.e., hours) but two (hours, minutes, or maybe weeks, days; whatever). 23:18:54 But that's a judgment call. 23:19:04 How about "17.5 hours ago"? With rounding that goes up as the time gets longer? 23:19:59 incubot: rudybot writes like jane austen 23:20:04 maybe they exept you to do something like that 23:20:30 Something like having minutes up to an hour, then N.M for a single M digit up to 3 hours, then only N or N.5 up to 6 hours, then only hours up to a day, etc? 23:20:47 *shrug* 23:20:53 looking at the code now 23:21:22 You could probably write a srfi about that. 23:21:56 Adding enough options, you can get some nice 100 pages of text on it. 23:21:59 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@83.222.175.184] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:22:24 snarky snarky 23:22:31 Nobody will ever read all of that, which would make it a fun project. 23:22:45 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:24:10 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:24:51 ha, I done killed Mr Bot 23:25:15 All that uptime! 23:25:18 2009-11-08T15:24:08-0800 Doing top-eval ("(dynamic-require" "\"spelled-out-time.ss\"" "'spelled-out-time)") 23:25:20 SIGSEGV fault on 0x4 23:25:22 Aborted (core dumped) 23:25:24 -!- wingo [n=wingo@112.Red-81-39-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:25:35 that'll teach me to mess with top-eval 23:25:51 How did that segfault? 23:26:13 Are you doing something foreign-ishy? 23:27:02 I did the dynamic-require via top-eval. 23:27:06 I assume that's what killed it. 23:27:10 haven't yet run gdb 23:27:26 gdbing the corpse would be good. 23:27:45 It's 4.2.2, right? 23:27:57 (`dynamic-require' should not have crashed it.) 23:28:12 yeah, 4.2.2. 23:28:19 Damned gdb; I can never get it to do anything useful 23:28:26 Reading symbols from /usr/local/plt-4.2.2/bin/mzscheme...(no debugging symbols found)...done. 23:28:28 oh great. 23:28:36 (gdb) core core => Cannot access memory at address 0xb7f4f658 23:28:37 *sigh* 23:28:49 eli: how you feel about git, I feel about gdb 23:29:04 How I feel about git, I also feel about gdb. 23:29:23 (BTW, most of how I feel about git is mostly due to you...) 23:29:29 *offby1* sobs 23:29:50 Did you run it properly (gdb )? 23:29:54 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 23:29:59 I guess not. Let's try that 23:30:08 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 23:30:26 same message 23:31:04 And /usr/local-4.2.2/bin/mzscheme is a proper binary? 23:31:07 -!- poucet [n=poucet@li23-146.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:31:08 Not a script or something? 23:31:17 poucet [n=poucet@li23-146.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 23:31:17 /usr/local/plt-4.2.2/bin/mzscheme: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped 23:31:29 It's not even stripped. 23:32:24 -!- linas [n=linas@gnucash.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:33:26 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-230-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:36:01 ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 23:38:31 Did you have '-g' during the initial build? 23:41:09 linas [n=linas@gnucash.org] has joined #scheme 23:43:14 caoliver: Actually I didn't build it myself; it's a binary distribution 23:45:40 -!- maximecaron [n=maximeca@199.84.42.154] has left #scheme 23:47:27 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-230-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:47:57 well, rudybot is on hiatus until the doctor diagnoses his most recent seizure. 23:49:01 -!- reid05 [n=reid85@CPE001cdf73661f-CM001ceacec55e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Success] 23:49:04 reid05 [n=reid85@CPE001cdf73661f-CM001ceacec55e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 23:52:11 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:53:49 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:58:08 ASau`` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 23:59:22 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme