00:02:07 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:02:38 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 00:06:15 incubot: im in ur continuation, stealing ur c0des 00:06:18 (yes, i'm stealing some of your sandbox codes) 00:11:40 incubot: open sores is theft! 00:11:42 does it mean that grand larcenry is the same as petty theft? :] 00:12:27 samth [n=samth@72-254-60-67.client.stsn.net] has joined #scheme 00:12:56 incubot: meaning exists only in cases of terms' inequality. 00:12:59 Yes, but this is a situation that can be subsumed by other cases: we already return #f when the list is (). 00:14:15 incubot: it's illusion that list is not () ever. 00:14:16 Error: unbound variable: it 00:14:35 incubot: the thunk, then? 00:14:38 (if condition (consequent-thunk) (alternative-thunk))) 00:14:56 incubot: good bot, there is no cookie! 00:14:59 no cookie! 00:23:38 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:31:42 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-161.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 00:40:57 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:42:32 -!- gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:42:44 gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 00:54:41 sg [i=3e164621@gateway/web/freenode/x-bqxbzsxqtdlvlvzx] has joined #scheme 00:54:43 hi 00:54:49 one question... 00:55:09 if i have a procedure defined like this: 00:55:20 (define (procedure args) 00:55:32 (define (inner-procedure args) .... 00:55:48 will the inner procedure definition be evaluated each time i call (procedure ..) ? 00:57:12 You might want to rewrite (define (inner-procedure args) ...) as (define inner-procedure (lambda (args) ...)) to help you understand better what it's doing. 00:58:04 isn't that the same thing? 00:59:20 It is; I had thought that the transformation would make the answer more obvious. 00:59:31 -!- wingo [n=wingo@112.Red-81-39-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:59:54 mmmm 01:00:34 makes me think about just associating "inner-procedure" to something that isn't really evaluated until you call it 01:00:55 but i don't clearly understand it 01:01:43 Why would the evaluation of the procedure be delayed until it is called, and how would that work if the procedure is returned? 01:03:51 let's try to put it this way to make it more clear... 01:04:00 (define (procedure args) 01:04:05 (define x y) 01:04:45 when i call (procedure ...) will the definition of x change if the value of y is different? (let's suppose y lives in the global environment) 01:05:37 sorry if i can't explain myself better or if i'm totally mistaken 01:07:29 Let's rewrite that as (define procedure (lambda (args) (letrec ((x y) ...) ...))) . 01:08:01 When you call the procedure that's bound to `procedure', x is bound to the value of `y' in the lexically enclosing environment. 01:08:55 each time you call it? 01:09:15 i mean: 01:09:18 (def y 10) 01:09:26 (procedure ...) 01:09:29 (def y 20) 01:09:51 Perhaps you should play with this in an implementation to get a feel for what's going on. 01:09:54 the next time i call procedure will x be bound to the new different value of y in the enclosing scope? 01:10:27 Yes. Setting the value of `y' means that uses of the variable have that value. 01:10:40 The use of `y' in (letrec ((x y)) ...) is no exception. 01:11:05 it's interesting 01:11:23 i'm a bit confused about how lexical scopes work 01:11:38 specially when it comes to those examples like make-counter 01:11:49 that retain the variable value through invocations 01:14:46 -!- masm [n=masm@bl5-105-90.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:20:15 FunkyDrummer [n=RageOfTh@users-42-198.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 01:23:51 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:25:11 didi [n=user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #scheme 01:28:21 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-33-63.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 01:28:34 -!- samth [n=samth@72-254-60-67.client.stsn.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:32:45 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:33:13 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 01:34:11 samth [n=samth@72-254-60-67.client.stsn.net] has joined #scheme 01:42:20 gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 01:43:12 -!- charleyb [n=charleyb@c-67-162-157-218.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:44:31 -!- gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:44:48 charleyb [n=charleyb@c-67-162-157-218.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:49:30 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@93.144.98.96] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 02:03:56 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:04:07 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:06:16 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-73-161.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:13:55 -!- samth [n=samth@72-254-60-67.client.stsn.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:19:38 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:20:58 -!- splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 02:23:25 On what unix platforms does [ file1 -nt file2 ] not work? 02:28:58 sg: lexical scope is a bit weird when you first encounter it, but it soon becomes second nature. 02:29:03 Most new languages these days have it 02:29:09 *offby1* glares at Python 02:31:24 uh... python doesn't have lexical scope? 02:34:33 -!- xwl_ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:34:56 looks like it does to me. 02:35:35 https://synx.us.to/code/lexicalscope.py 02:42:08 -!- FunkyDrummer [n=RageOfTh@users-42-198.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:42:22 FunkyDrummer [n=RageOfTh@users-42-198.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 02:43:00 synx: so that code should print... 4? 02:43:51 yes it does sg 02:44:11 one question though 02:44:12 and I hated every second of typing if __init__ == '__main__': 02:44:18 I'm just a masochist that way. 02:44:53 i use mzscheme, but it won't let me do internal definitions like that 02:45:11 at least not if they aren't first in the body 02:45:36 is there a reason for this? 02:45:51 sure it will... give an example? 02:46:21 not first in the body? Oh that. 02:46:39 No that's pretty much just an idiosyncracy of the syntax. 02:46:41 mmm i don't have the interpreter here (i'm at work) but wait a minute 02:48:33 http://pastebin.ca/1660435 02:50:06 samth [n=samth@209.172.114.240] has joined #scheme 02:50:12 ... and why on earth is mit-scheme statically linked to gdbm?! 02:51:54 sg: of course you have an interpreter here 02:52:05 rudybot__: eval (begin (define x 3) (printf "x is ~a~%" x)) 02:52:06 offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 02:52:06 offby1: ; stdout: "x is 3\n" 02:52:16 mmm 02:52:44 rudybot__: ghost rudybot 02:52:46 rudybot__: nick rudybot 02:52:46 -!- rudybot__ is now known as rudybot 02:53:17 optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 02:54:17 rudybot: eval (begin (define (test arg) (display arg) (define test2 20) (display (+ arg test2)))) 02:54:18 sg: your sandbox is ready 02:54:18 sg: error: eval:1:40: define: not allowed in an expression context in: (define test2 20) 02:55:02 why not allowed? 02:56:19 dunno 02:56:35 rudybot: eval (begin (define (test arg) (define test2 20) (display arg) (display (+ arg test2)))) 02:56:45 *offby1* drums fingers 02:57:30 rudybot: hello? 02:57:30 *offby1: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 02:57:36 rudybot: eval (begin (define (test arg) (define test2 20) (display arg) (display (+ arg test2)))) 02:57:40 weird. 02:57:55 oh, it's a function; I gotta call it 02:58:03 rudybot: eval (test 'frotz) 02:58:03 *offby1: error: +: expects type as 1st argument, given: frotz; other arguments were: 20 02:58:08 rudybot: eval (test 17) 02:58:08 *offby1: ; stdout: "frotz1737" 02:58:19 rudybot: eval (test 17) 02:58:20 *offby1: ; stdout: "1737" 02:58:23 rudybot: eval (test 17) 02:58:23 *offby1: ; stdout: "1737" 02:58:56 it seems it works when the definition is first 02:59:03 I hear you sg, but I don't know why they don't allow it. 02:59:20 It does. That's the only way it works. 02:59:29 incidentally this seems to be common in the scheme systems i tried 02:59:39 for example it happens the same thing in SISC 03:00:00 But you just have to turn (a b c (define ...) d) into (a b c (let () (define ...) d)) and it works. You'd think it'd be easy to get a syntax transformer to do that... 03:01:49 agree, anyway i suposse the code it's also clearer when definitions are first 03:04:30 I assume the standard either mandates that you can't have definitions after non-definitions, or at least says "it's not defined" 03:04:40 eli would know. Haven't seen him in a while ... 03:04:42 rudybot: seen eli 03:04:42 *offby1: eli was seen in/on #scheme six hours, thirty minutes ago, saying "My phd days are over.", and then eli was seen in/on #scheme six hours, twenty-eight minutes ago, saying "Only of a certain order with a greek lower-case symbol as its logo." 03:05:49 I'd know what? 03:08:35 *eli* clears his throat theatrically, while staring intently at offby1 03:09:40 eli: we were talking about why internal definitions must be first in the body of the outer definition 03:10:05 i've put this in a pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1660435 03:10:07 Oh, that... 03:10:09 I'm not a language lawyer. 03:10:17 oh 03:10:24 figured you'd have overheard something, at least 03:10:31 but the spec requires that? 03:10:50 But you need to consider what should this be: (define (foo) (write foo) (define foo 2) foo) 03:11:03 s/should this be/this should be/ 03:13:07 *sg* trying to get his head around that 03:13:41 back in the old days, that "define" would have been equivalent to a set!, if I recall correctly. 03:13:42 You know what'd be neat? If drscheme starts up and discovers another instance already running by that user, it would remotely tell that other process to open a document, instead of spawning a new drscheme. 03:13:51 like the way firefox does it 03:14:44 (define (foo) (write foo) (let () (define foo 2) foo)) seems sensible to me. 03:16:23 well, that probably should make two different "foo" 03:16:34 one in the global scope and one inside the first foo 03:16:48 but i suposse then the second one would shadow the first inside foo body 03:16:53 I've been using drscheme, but as a learning experience I just disabled my gdm.conf file. 03:17:09 So that I would try to 'spend more time in a command line setting' 03:17:26 what's gdm.conf do? 03:17:53 emma: Real Men use the command-line, although perhaps that's not such a compelling argument in your case 03:18:09 haha maybe in the metaphorical sense. 03:18:58 offby1: i don't really know what it does, but I determined that mv /etc/init/gdm.conf /etc/init/gdm.conf-disabled takes my Ubuntu and makes it boot into the command line only. 03:19:04 Why would you tweak gdm.comf to disable X? 03:19:17 You should have just changed your default runlevel. 03:19:27 chandler: Ubuntu does not have a runlevel system. 03:19:41 Oh. Crazy init replacements strike again. 03:19:51 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:20:18 well presumably when I want to use the GUI Ubuntu again I just rename that file again. 03:21:28 Ubuntu removed Debian's runlevel system? 03:21:30 Sure, provided that your next apt-get update doesn't recreate it 03:21:38 Glad I stuck with Debian... 03:21:59 Can't you just use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch to a regular text getty? 03:22:47 offby1: No, `define' is sort-of like a `set!' only at the mythical repl. 03:23:36 synx: Run `drscheme -singleInstance' (but this should really change "soon" to be the default). 03:23:57 *offby1* wonders why emma can't just run a nice terminal program like rxvt or gnome-terminal 03:24:32 offby1: I don't know that's somehow like.. Well that's just not the same. 03:24:41 eli: ooh, do you also got a pony under that cloak of yours? 03:25:09 emma: It isn't really different. 03:25:23 It's very different for more than one reason. 03:26:57 Running without X hasn't had much of a purpose since chipset autodetection got good (and since you don't need to be scared of damaging your display with a bad modeline anymore!) 03:27:44 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-25-38.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:27:47 synx: No ponies, sorry. 03:27:55 For one thing, that means you are in a command line system, with lots of GUI processes running. And for another, it means that it's easy to wimp out and use the GUI at any time. It's like the difference between camping in an RV park, and walking into the Alaskan wilderness. 03:28:20 chandler: although to be honest, my main dev. box at work simply doesn't know how to run the monitor -- so I talk to it over SSH from my windows box 03:28:48 Hah. Well, fail is still lurking under the covers with X. 03:28:55 eli: darn, well thanks anyway 03:29:00 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-25-38.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:29:13 I think from the command line you use mzscheme right? 03:29:21 You use emacs. 03:29:39 the way to do it the command line way, I guess would be to write your scheme with some editor (say vi) and then evaluate them with mzscheme? 03:29:42 mzscheme is what runs in the *inferior-scheme* subprocess. 03:30:08 No, you use Emacs :-) Which is why this won't be all that interesting for you. 03:30:16 -!- FunkyDrummer [n=RageOfTh@users-42-198.vinet.ba] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:30:20 I don't like emacs too much. 03:31:08 i miss things like slime from emacs in vim 03:31:19 emma: emacs is really the only option if you're limited to not having a GUI. vi can't highlight properly or do auto-indentation. 03:31:29 I have nothing at all against people who do. Nor against the people who make it. I just feels very byzantine to me. Like a rube goldburg text editor. 03:31:32 And if you really want to "camp" in the command line, you will eventually discover that it's like the Alaskan wildlife refuge: it sounds idyllic from afar, but in reality it's cold, flat, and filled with mosquitos large and numerous enough to kill caribou. 03:31:32 synx: hm. 03:31:34 paredit.el is enough reason for me to use emacs 03:32:24 well I am somewhat able to use emacs. I have started it and read through the tutorial. 03:33:00 chandler: It's just a self-learning exercise I don't plan on trying to stay here forever 03:33:13 I don't like emacs because of the keyboard acrobatics. I just can't get C-x,C-s to happen quickly. 03:33:27 It's spelled "self-loathing", emma. 03:33:53 chandler: hehehe funny because it's true! 03:34:23 I want to be smart like the people I know and imagine, and in my imagination the people who are smart in the way I want to be are excellent at linux from the command line! 03:36:27 I am pretty sure that you are committing a logical fallicy. They did not become smart by becoming good at the command line. 03:36:58 chandler: No I agree with that. I don't think that. 03:37:12 chandler: My logical fallicy if there is one is different than that. 03:37:26 xwl_ [n=user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 03:37:39 You would be better served becoming a more practiced programmer. Shell will be easier to understand (I was going to write "make more sense", but that's not true) then. 03:37:56 I guess my unstated assumption is that if I can aquire enough of the skills and talents of people I think are intelligent then I will be more intelligent too. 03:38:07 Oh no, rhetoric lessons... 03:38:41 In a broad sense, that might be true. However, certain skills are more fundamental than others. 03:52:34 tjafk [n=timj@e176222192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:01:40 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 04:09:21 -!- tjaway [n=timj@e176210135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:19:45 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 04:22:28 -!- didi [n=user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 04:25:44 -!- sg [i=3e164621@gateway/web/freenode/x-bqxbzsxqtdlvlvzx] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 04:27:16 -!- Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:27:32 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-42-198.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 04:31:03 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 04:41:45 foof, if MIT Scheme is statically linked to gdbm, it's because the configurator couldn't figure out how to make dynamically loadable objects. 04:42:48 This is the pre-compiled binary distribution. 04:43:43 ... and that was pre-coffee. I meant to say dynamically linked, or more to the point, why is it linked to gdbm at all? 04:45:03 OK. I don't usually use that. If you want to change it, it is relatively straightforward -- the only part that is statically linked is the microcode, i.e. the C part of MIT Scheme, which you can rebuild separately from the rest of it as described in . 04:45:54 Right, it's just linking to something like gdbm makes the possibility of a warm bootstrap that much more unlikely. 04:46:04 WHat? 04:46:43 You don't need to do any bootstrapping. 04:47:35 Oh, hang on. 04:47:40 The compiled Scheme part is OS-independent. If you have compiled Scheme code for your architecture, and you're not satisfied with the linkage of the C part, all you need to do is rebuild the C part with different configuration options. 04:50:45 I unpacked the tarball mit-scheme-20090107-ix86-gnu-linux.tar.gz. The bin/* executables are all linked to gdbm and ncurses and other libs. 04:50:59 Right. So nuke those and replace them, as describes. 04:51:26 There should really be a separate tarball containing just the compiled Scheme part. 04:53:00 Hmmm... 04:53:08 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [] 04:53:09 boot.c:364: error: compiler_processor_type undeclared (first use in this function) 04:53:25 Does this not yet compile on x86_64? 04:53:40 The 20090107 snapshot? 04:53:43 yes 04:53:52 No. I just implemented x86-64 support last week. 04:53:54 I've got the latest git but can't build the microcode for it. 04:54:26 Because the Makefile is empty. 04:54:47 If you have a clean Git repository as of now (not a Git repository with cruft from failed builds -- if you do, nuke it and check it out again), you should be able to run, from within it: cd src && ./Setup.sh && cd microcode && ./configure && make 04:55:04 Which is why I was ignoring the instructions and trying to use the binary Linux distribution, which should still run on x86_64. 04:55:25 I lied. The microcode is not just C; there is also some assembly code in it. 04:55:36 It needs that to talk with compiled Scheme code. 04:55:43 And the x86-64 assembly code is also new as of last week. 04:56:30 (I'm specifically only trying to build mit-scheme now because I'm on the list and know you just implemented x86_64 support.) 04:57:53 Please let me know if the instructions I just gave you don't work -- but please make sure that you have a clean checkout from Git, as of a couple of hours ago. If you have an empty makefile in microcode/, that's not a clean Git repository. 04:57:53 But more than anything, I'm puzzled as to what mit-scheme uses gdbm for. 04:58:02 It's an optional loadable library. 04:58:10 Edwin's news reader uses it to store news header data. 04:58:16 ah 04:58:27 The native mit-scheme can't dynamically load C libraries? 04:58:52 With libdl, that is. 04:58:53 It can. I don't know why what is in the GNU/Linux binary distribution is statically linked. 04:58:57 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-42-198.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:01:19 Statically linked with the gdbm and X11 interface, that is -- not with gdbm and libX11 &c. themselves. 05:06:48 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-131.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 05:08:59 Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has joined #scheme 05:09:16 -!- xwl [n=user@123.115.124.208] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:10:24 xwl [n=user@123.115.124.208] has joined #scheme 05:11:38 -!- gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:11:50 gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:13:04 foof, incidentally, why didn't you use the procedure that I described on the list, starting from the 20090107 portable C distribution and running etc/make-native.sh? 05:13:29 In fact, I'm now confused about what it is that you're trying to accomplish. 05:14:07 Starting from the x86 binary distribution won't help you to build the x86-64 binary distribution except by building the portable C distribution as an intermediate step, which is unnecessary if you just use the 20090107 portable C distribution. 05:15:41 (It is also theoretically possible to bootstrap directly from i386 to x86-64, but I think that the tool needed to do that has bit-rotted, and in any case the build system is not prepared to do it.) 05:22:10 veritos [n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:23:08 Do there exist functions that do the same thing as Python's all(lst) and any(lst)? all(lst) returns whether everything in list evaluates to true, and any(lst) returns whether *something* in the list is true. 05:23:36 SRFI 1's ANY and EVERY will do what you want: 05:24:15 Yep, that's what I want. Thanks! 05:26:54 Well, it would be if it existed in my implementation. But luckily they're fairly simple to implement (I already had, and simply didn't want to redefine something that already existed if possible). 05:27:26 What is your implementation? 05:27:52 PLT 05:28:03 PLT supports SRFI 1 somewhere. Look in the manual. 05:29:32 (require srfi/1) gets it for me. 05:29:47 *veritos* asks ze instructor 05:29:52 whether this is legal 05:31:03 *veritos* moans; we're restricted to the toplevel on this assignment 05:33:25 veritos: The "built-in" PLT names for this `andmap' and `ormap'. (Whether that's allowed is a different question, and my guess is that ze instructor wants you to write ze code.) 05:36:02 Looks like andmap and ormap are allowed explicitly by the specification, and are a bit more general than and() and or(), which makes sense given Scheme's definition of what is true. 05:36:29 I'm trying not to like this language, and I'm so far not doing a very good job at hating it. :) 05:39:00 (andmap identity lst) is what I wanted, though. 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What type is a 'port' in scheme? It's not defined in the spec's section 1.1 but afaik it's a fundamental type introduced in section 8.2 of the standard library spec. 08:40:32 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@cpe-173-172-99-25.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:43:08 fnord123: It is a disjoint type inScheme 08:43:51 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:48:49 I'm looking through the standard and standard libs and I'm not seeing where this concept is described. 08:49:19 I mean I understand what it means, but I thought it was a bit weird that it's not described (afaics) 08:53:02 fnord123: R5RS ? 08:53:50 -!- xwl [n=user@123.115.124.208] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:54:03 xwl [n=user@123.115.124.208] has joined #scheme 08:55:20 fnord123: This is described in 11.1. 08:57:42 fnord123: Specifically, a port is a type defined in a library, and is not part of the base types, so it is not mentioned in the main document. 08:58:30 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 09:06:08 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]"] 09:08:12 wingo [n=wingo@112.Red-81-39-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 09:08:42 Ok, I see that 'port?' was in section 3.2 of r5rs but yes since it was moved out to the stdlib in r6rs it was removed of the relevant section (11.1) of r6rs. 09:08:45 cool 09:08:47 thanks 09:11:46 -!- reid05 [n=reid85@CPE001cdf73661f-CM001ceacec55e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:12:12 reid05 [n=reid85@CPE001cdf73661f-CM001ceacec55e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 09:37:06 jeapostrophe [n=jay@80.187.212.50] has joined #scheme 09:39:07 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:40:29 -!- kniu [n=kniu@ELMUNDO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:43:52 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 09:46:11 -!- TR2N [i=email@89-180-230-66.net.novis.pt] has left #scheme 09:55:54 -!- fnord123 [n=fnord123@94-194-63-222.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has left #scheme 10:01:46 -!- decker [n=decker@user-0c9h6n8.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:06:36 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:07:06 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 10:08:33 perdix [n=perdix@f055098018.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 10:21:31 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 10:23:50 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:29:53 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 10:41:06 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-56.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 10:52:17 Summermute66 [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has joined #scheme 10:54:42 -!- Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:54:47 Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has joined #scheme 11:03:24 -!- Summermute66 [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 11:23:46 -!- jao [n=jao@80.31.223.187] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:28:30 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 11:40:01 -!- yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit ["Coyote finally caught me"] 11:40:12 yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 11:58:59 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@99.57.0.153] has left #scheme 12:17:36 perdiy [n=perdix@f055119051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 12:19:48 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-4-138.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 12:25:43 -!- perdix [n=perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:28:20 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-170-189.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:28:37 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-170-189.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:29:34 -!- perdiy is now known as perdix 12:34:07 m314 [n=user@87.63.34.66] has joined #scheme 12:39:17 Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has joined #scheme 13:09:27 rstandy [n=rastandy@93.144.72.247] has joined #scheme 13:27:34 Lis [n=Lis@dialbs-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 13:55:47 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has quit [] 14:07:07 -!- perdix [n=perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has quit ["A cow. 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