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Are you unpoopular? 02:21:04 we have 5 parties right now, with one of them being on the brink. If you vote for any other party, your vote is irrelevant. 02:25:03 incubot: did you have a nice time on your vacation? 02:25:06 ok: enjoy your vacation! hasta pronto! 02:25:11 why, thank you 02:33:26 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [] 02:37:30 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:38:13 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 02:40:04 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:40:22 -!- gpaci [n=gpaci@gpaci-02.dsllan.toad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:42:09 gpaci [n=gpaci@gpaci-02.dsllan.toad.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:24 gaze [n=gaze@ResNet-36-86.resnet.ucsb.edu] has joined #scheme 02:49:23 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 02:49:32 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 02:54:56 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@89.102.28.224] has quit [] 02:57:30 kniu [n=kniu@ELMUNDO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 03:01:18 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89.180.164.119] has left #scheme 03:03:56 batasrki [n=batasrki@CPE001ee54f474a-CM0017ee55dbc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:04:43 -!- batasrki [n=batasrki@CPE001ee54f474a-CM0017ee55dbc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D"] 03:09:42 -!- timchen1` is now known as nasloc__ 03:11:54 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.198.236] has quit [] 03:27:59 tltstc [n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:40:52 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:41:01 -!- caoliver [n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has left #scheme 03:42:57 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 03:52:37 tjaway [n=timj@e176215008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:57:40 -!- ratelle [n=jeremie@dsl.speedline209.250.electronicbox.net] has left #scheme 04:01:43 mabes_ [n=mabes@166.70.220.118] has joined #scheme 04:02:02 -!- mabes_ [n=mabes@166.70.220.118] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:06:03 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:29 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176201159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:11:53 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 04:12:41 jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 04:13:04 -!- gaze [n=gaze@ResNet-36-86.resnet.ucsb.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:13:12 gaze [n=gaze@ResNet-36-86.resnet.ucsb.edu] has joined #scheme 04:19:12 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:20:18 Summermute [n=scott@c-76-114-212-247.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:29:18 foobar [i=814ff569@gateway/web/freenode/session] has joined #scheme 04:33:21 -!- foobar [i=814ff569@gateway/web/freenode/x-yslcfkosrqmtnmvh] has quit [Client Quit] 04:34:45 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 04:35:02 felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #scheme 04:46:47 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:52:59 Scheme is vegetarian Lisp 04:54:02 Summermute: you take that back, you fargin' bastige 04:54:07 iPhones are tamagotchi pets 04:54:11 - Roman Maroni 04:55:16 offby1: Android phones are Snap-On tool kits with day-glo plastic handles 04:55:18 Nah, i actually eat meat (did give it up for ~15 years though) - and Scheme is nice and succulent 04:56:00 Palm Pres are really portable computers 04:56:03 Boy, back in the late 70's there was the funniest joke about Snap on Tools sponsoring Billie Jean King :-) 04:56:05 unlike the iPhone 04:56:08 lol 04:56:24 I kind of already figured what it might be :P 04:56:52 honestly, I STILL don't understand how the original style Palm technology got tossed into the dustbin of history 04:56:59 Palms RULED 04:58:07 one of the 1st apps I loaded onto my first palm was a nice little Lisp REPL 05:00:27 I crashed earlier, which is cool, because I find it both brainy and macho to hack Scheme while the world sleeps .... 05:02:47 Here is the latest distraction from my compiler. Write a 98% portable front end to the GTK+ Server (a program that'll communicate over just about anything including stdin and produce a real GUI for your app) in Scheme. 05:04:03 Then just put together the little bits of glue here and there for all the schemes and TADA - An actual X platform GUI library that works on all scheme on Mac, Linux and Windows. 05:04:15 Pretty cool! (???) 05:04:32 yas 05:05:15 i really wonder why the schemely folk haven't done it yet - there are a ton of front ends and bindings to GTK Server 05:05:37 There are actually pretty sophisticated samles written in *BASH* 05:06:10 Are most Scheme folks too busy getting PhD's and writing symbolic math programs? 05:11:35 probably busy building new Scheme implementations 05:12:05 Now *THAT*'s IT 05:12:08 Ha ha 05:12:17 Not to sound like a late night DJ, but just one last thought. I have two books in front of me that all software geeks should read. 05:12:46 First is Harbison and Steele (that Steele)'s Annotated C Standardl 05:13:27 Summermute, why did you give up meat? 05:13:32 Second is P.J. Plaugher's annotated book form line-by-line implementation of the Standard C Library 05:14:06 It helped me give up brown liquor, if that says anything about my personality ;-) 05:14:44 Anyway, we all know that C is a pretty darned small lang (no, not C++). 05:14:45 That's a response I wasn't expecting 05:14:48 a line-by-line implementation of the C standard library doesn't sound like it would have a good interestingness-to-volume ratio 05:16:25 The point I'm making is that it is truly AMAZING how much thought literally goes into a 6 line header file. REALLY. There's one debate I was re-reading whether or not the #IFNDEF LIB #DEFINE LIB ... shoudl go *inside* the header or be written outside the header in each file!!!!! 05:17:29 Now imagine Guy Steele writing for pages about the relative merits of Negative INF vs. the most common hardware floating point hardware behavior in the floating point parts of the C standard. 05:18:40 Get my point - it really is very, very interesting stuff - the amount of detailed debate and decades of expertise to even define a SMALL and pretty MEDIOCRE language like C (hey, C is the best C we got, so far, though) BOGGLES THE MIND. 05:18:47 Back to Sheme 05:19:24 *offby1* suspects the "brown liquor" was coffee, and that Summermute hasn't really given it up 05:19:38 These two book, now a good 10 years mature and about a *very* wide spread and mature technology can give some deep insight into the whole R6RS debacle. 05:19:59 I am drinking black coffee ;-) 05:20:50 Scheme has nothing like the body of practice that C enjoys (or suffers as the case may be). 05:21:24 Scheme is both a more complex and less complex language than C. 05:22:26 Let's face it - unlike the C folk's purposes, each RnRS "generation" has their little areas of inventions rather than just standardization. 05:23:18 And with the goal being a "short" standard, Scheme is in some sense already behind the 8 ball because it almost has to leave so many things underspecified. 05:25:27 Anyway - even without the Scheme elucidation angle, they really are two very enlightening and really nicely written books. Just to have a real peek into these folks' minds is a privilege, and the C Std Lib book will teach you more *practical* algorithms than nearly any grad course every will. 05:27:26 Oh, and the Guy Steele Book (just in case your own copy of Steele's CltL2 tome isnt't falling apart next to your toilet like mine is) is SUPERB reading for anyone even dreaming of designing a programming language. 05:34:06 -!- Nshag [i=user@193.248.205.116] has quit ["Quitte"] 05:37:32 A real scheme question from an ex lisper here 05:37:59 Is there a standard way to specify conditional compilation/execution ??? 05:43:17 what does that mean 05:43:45 like #ifdef for scheme? 05:44:34 conditional compilation -- use compile-time macros. conditional execution -- use `if' 05:46:31 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 05:46:53 you can do that with syntax-rules 05:50:23 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:56:41 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-167-19.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:58:40 -!- Summermute [n=scott@c-76-114-212-247.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:13:26 pavelludiq [n=quassel@87.246.58.146] has joined #scheme 06:15:41 -!- leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-gyvdjahbwyifbgfn] has quit ["Page closed"] 06:20:29 sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-169-216.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 06:20:43 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-131-10.netcologne.de] has quit [Operation timed out] 06:21:29 leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-yavolcwasvazypgz] has joined #scheme 06:22:55 -!- thesnowdog [i=thesnowd@122.110.58.52] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:29:49 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 06:30:13 -!- gpaci [n=gpaci@gpaci-02.dsllan.toad.net] has quit [] 06:47:21 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #scheme 06:47:59 Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has joined #scheme 06:48:55 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:55:45 -!- kidd [n=user@178.Red-79-147-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:05:46 -!- foof` [n=user@FL1-118-110-31-40.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 07:10:15 incubot: but, damn, there's something ingratiating about the pliable mind 07:10:16 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@87.246.58.146] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:10:20 damn nazis and their ss! 07:10:25 heh 07:13:41 incubot: for instance, i came to the conclusion today that haydn's range of expression was superior to beethoven's; i was soundly rebuked, of course, by the 1911 encyclopedia brittanica 07:13:44 Papa Haydn is dead and gone. 07:13:55 damn, that's bitter 07:21:37 -!- cataska [n=cataska@210.64.6.233] has left #scheme 07:22:30 Fare [n=Fare@24.218.127.11] has joined #scheme 07:23:47 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 07:33:06 a-s [n=user@nat-240.ro.66.com] has joined #scheme 07:35:15 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@cpe-173-172-99-25.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:38:06 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 07:39:01 foof [n=user@FL1-118-110-31-40.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 07:40:54 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 07:48:51 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@91-89.res.pomona.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:50:35 Jafet [n=Jafet@194.245.48.60.kmr02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #scheme 07:50:52 ejs1 [n=eugen@63.251.108.100] has joined #scheme 07:57:58 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:58:04 faure [n=moe@wsip-72-215-98-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #scheme 08:02:04 http://paste.lisp.org/display/89490 is this memoized correctly? 08:04:51 -!- jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:06:00 Every recursive call inserts an entry into T, which I find strange 08:14:34 Fufie [n=poff@80.203.160.34] has joined #scheme 08:18:06 schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 08:20:25 ASau [n=user@host176-230-msk.microtest.ru] has joined #scheme 08:21:19 dmoerner [n=dmr@88-69.res.pomona.edu] has joined #scheme 08:38:32 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:38:35 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@88-69.res.pomona.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:48:42 ...interestingly, naïve memoization of Péter's Ackermann function doesn't work, because every recursive call is made with different parameters. 08:49:59 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@63.251.108.100] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 08:57:52 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 08:58:31 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:01:50 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 09:05:18 -!- faure [n=moe@wsip-72-215-98-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has left #scheme 09:09:18 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 09:11:52 Oh, hur 09:12:13 Used the wrong equivalence predicate 09:16:07 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:16:15 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-254-164.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 09:30:08 Jafet: simplifying the known terms helps a lot. 09:31:39 Well, only a small set of inputs can be computed anyway 09:31:54 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 09:32:04 and the rest blows up your memory 09:34:33 ((> m 4) (delay ...)) 09:36:19 -!- Fare [n=Fare@24.218.127.11] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:47:33 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 09:51:32 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@c-98-212-135-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["aunt jemima is the devil!"] 09:51:42 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:55:09 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 10:09:42 masm [n=masm@bl8-57-110.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 10:16:14 -!- Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:16:28 Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has joined #scheme 10:20:09 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 10:27:03 dmoerner [n=dmr@91-89.res.pomona.edu] has joined #scheme 10:36:04 What is the most interesting, publically accessible (documented, etc.) piece of software written in Scheme that is in no way related to symbolic mathematics, technology development or software development, Scheme or otherwise? 10:36:24 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Success] 10:40:58 jao [n=jao@80.31.223.187] has joined #scheme 10:47:51 -!- Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has quit [] 10:56:08 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@91-89.res.pomona.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:07:32 -!- sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-169-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Success] 11:07:43 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 11:07:48 mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 11:14:31 davids [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 11:19:20 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 11:25:25 Summermute [n=scott@98.204.67.114] has joined #scheme 11:27:37 pookey [n=pookey@symfony/developer/pookey] has joined #scheme 11:28:21 serichsen [n=user@77.6.221.253] has joined #scheme 11:28:28 hi serichsen :) 11:28:39 hi :) 11:29:10 hi all - I'm reading though SICP, and I've got to exercise 1.6, where they are seemingly trying to prove that 'if' needs to be a special form, however... usign the 'new-if' procedure in teh exercise doesn't change anything, it works perfectly... ref: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-10.html 11:29:54 oh no, I misread something - completly disregard that ;) 11:30:57 just read to the end of the exercise :) 11:31:23 end of 1.6? 11:37:13 pookey: have you tried that second example use of new-if? 11:37:26 yeah, it doesnt' work - I'm busy trying to understand why 11:37:50 pookey: think about when what gets evaluated 11:39:56 ah, with teh built in if, the predicate is evaluated first, with the new-if, the other bits are attempted to be evaluated first? 11:40:14 yes 11:40:51 normally, all arguments are evaluated first, then the operator is called with the results. 11:41:17 hence if being a 'special form' ? 11:41:35 in order to have conditional evaluation, you need a special operator that can specify a different order of evaluation 11:43:31 thanks serichsen 11:45:18 "(define (good-enough?" the '?' holds no significance does it? 11:45:57 pookey: no, it is just a character. ending a predicate with ? is a naming convention in scheme. 11:49:40 hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD124214245222.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 11:53:13 -!- dlouhy [n=jdlouhy@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:00:24 dlouhy [n=jdlouhy@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 12:00:24 -!- dlouhy [n=jdlouhy@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:02:12 is the SICP book available as one HTML page? I want to load it onto my ebook, but it's a pain in separate files 12:04:35 pookey: I don't know. 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That's definitely not dual-link, then. 13:44:19 And how large is it? Depending on the size, there might not be a fix that's cheaper than buying a new monitor... 13:45:03 19", ~6yr old mistubishi diamondcrysta RDTI945 13:45:10 -!- xwl [n=user@123.115.119.166] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:46:32 I can't find any information about that monitor on Google. Is it just an ordinary 19" LCD? 13:47:30 yeah 13:47:54 ah maybe it's, RDTI94_S_ not 5 13:48:06 Probably no fix that's cheaper than a new display, which around here is $100 or so for a ~19". 13:48:23 ! 13:48:38 ... plus however much it costs to throw out the old display (you have to pay for that here) 13:49:00 !! 13:49:51 I would suggest hooking it up through a DVI KVM to see if that helped, but those are still expensive. 13:50:07 Oh!!!! I have one! :) 13:50:13 I didn't even think of that :) 13:50:17 Here I guess the cheapest 19'' LCDs are more than $300 and nobody throws them away. 14:01:21 huh... it worked for a few seconds and then died 14:03:54 sigh 14:06:38 well, thanks for the advice chandler, sorry for distracting the channel with personal tech problems 14:07:18 But I thought others should know there are standard, high-end monitors which the new MBP doesn't work with. 14:08:42 Jafet1 [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 14:08:47 langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 14:08:58 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:12:38 -!- nasloc__ [i=tim@163.16.211.21] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:12:42 -!- Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 14:13:04 timchen1` [i=tim@163.16.211.21] has joined #scheme 14:15:33 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 14:16:20 apgwoz [n=apgwoz@216.156.136.2] has joined #scheme 14:44:02 -!- a-s [n=user@nat-240.ro.66.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:46:35 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 14:55:26 gpaci [n=gpaci@gpaci-02.dsllan.toad.net] has joined #scheme 14:56:02 -!- duncanm [n=duncan@a-chinaman.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:56:38 foof: Oh well; it was a thought. I don't specifically know the source of the problem, so about the best I can do is to throw random ideas at it. 14:57:17 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:58:26 bweaver [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 14:58:45 mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has joined #scheme 15:08:50 incubot: paradigma: post-paradigmatic FTW! 15:08:58 check my post of a few seconds ago 15:21:38 incubot: which outfit should I wear today? 15:21:41 Plans are to outfit it with a GPS device so that people will know where it is at all times. 15:21:55 ah, but I want to be under the radar, as it were 15:26:19 npe_ [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 15:27:36 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:29:42 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 15:31:51 xwl [n=user@123.115.119.166] has joined #scheme 15:39:13 jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 15:40:20 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has 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The Lisp Pointers papers from that ACM archive were actually OCRed, so the scanned pages are still text-searchable. 18:33:30 check it G: http://3e8.org/pub/ay-carumba.png 18:35:46 Could be standard practice for those guys, but it's still neat 18:38:03 -!- mmc1 [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:43:02 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:43:19 Cheery [n=cheery@a91-156-180-244.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 18:44:28 does scheme have some stuff that allows getting python-like easy-to-use dictionaries? 18:46:02 Sure, just take any old Scheme HTTP client and point it at ! 18:46:42 meant the data structure 18:54:57 Cheery: r6rs has a hashtable library. Snow might have one for r5rs. 18:57:22 -!- jao` [i=5018044a@gateway/web/freenode/x-cahiffdomdbzdiyg] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 18:57:24 -!- maximecaron [n=maximeca@199.84.42.154] has left #scheme 18:57:27 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 18:58:07 Cheery, whatever Scheme system you are using probably provides a hash table implementation. 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satellite is the most distant cosmic object to be detected by telescopes. 20:16:48 I think it was Dijkstra who said "Computer science is about computers the way astronomy is about telescopes." 20:31:27 incubot: jabadabadoo 20:32:01 incwolf_ [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:32:02 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:42:06 -!- emmy [n=a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/eris.tuxhacker.org/x-zulhhlfvwhtrsdwu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:43:31 -!- incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:46:58 good evening. 20:50:22 -!- hosh [n=hosh@c-71-199-176-82.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:56:56 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-98.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 21:00:09 dysinger_ [n=dysinger@cpe-75-85-135-191.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:00:40 -!- dysinger 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