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I shudder to think how that sentence might be misinterpreted or mistranslated. 00:42:13 -!- dsmith [n=dsmith@66.178.229.162] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:50:51 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:53:02 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:53:27 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 00:54:07 FunkyDrummer [n=RageOfTh@users-38-79.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 00:55:41 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 01:00:05 -!- jao [n=jao@83.33.226.195] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 01:02:46 -!- mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-sumvtrqdrglgxyoj] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:06:08 "We are Sparta, Web page is a pleasure. Even if, as needed, you must have some color to your cheeks." 01:06:19 (run through translation party) 01:07:46 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:08:17 *jcowan* unvanishes 01:10:28 So it occurs to me that the problem with bignums is really a problem with ratios, and the problem with ratios is really a problem with Scheme's / operator. 01:11:10 If there were a clear separation between exact and inexact division, we'd get fewer unexpectedly slow or imprecise results, as the case may be. 01:11:54 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@users-120-51.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:12:41 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:13:06 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 01:13:17 Haskell, Q, and Pure do this, with / always producing an inexact result and % respecting inexact contagion. 01:13:53 -!- githogori [i=githogor@165.sub-75-208-82.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:15:16 githogori [n=githogor@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:17:32 naragon [n=naragon@c-24-13-157-19.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:20:05 jcowan: have you read Sperber's 'Cleaning up the Tower: Numbers in Scheme'? ( http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/sperber/papers/ ) 01:20:42 *jcowan* goes off to do so. 01:22:03 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060023699d4809.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 01:22:32 foof: what's the recent story with chibi? 01:24:13 naragon_ [n=naragon@c-24-13-157-19.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:24:48 jao [n=jao@195.Red-83-33-226.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:34:28 peter_12: been busy :( 01:34:43 hopefully busy things have been going well 01:35:01 Tomorrow I'm going to push new releases of at least irregex and fmt. 01:35:20 And possibly a dev release of hato. 01:35:32 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:35:34 not familiar with any of those three 01:36:05 Chibi is waiting on me finishing the module system. 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How silly of me. 06:51:06 Still, the links should either work or not be there. 06:53:08 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:54:30 Wait, where are these links? Are there still a few outdated wiki docs that point to them, from the old days? 06:54:49 ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has joined #scheme 06:54:59 If so, we should delete 'em 06:56:00 bruxno` [n=ET@61.242.215.226] has joined #scheme 06:56:02 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:56:31 'cause I just did a spot check and the only .egg links i found were buried in the old eggdoc format docs 06:57:40 whoops, found another one lurking in srfi-38 06:59:03 Got it, 10 out of 131 wiki egg docs has a spurious "Download" link, this should be removed 06:59:23 k 07:03:37 All right, I've removed these. Thanks. 07:04:56 incubot: I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today 07:05:00 I do hamburgers on the grill better than any other. Green Tabasco sauce and Martin's potato rolls are necessary parts of a good hamburger. 07:05:14 Yes, my mouth is watering. 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I'm getting an error while running the fetch-systems script. 10:36:02 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:36:18 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 10:36:20 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:36:30 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 10:41:37 hotblack23 pasted "Problem setting up SPE with ikarus" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465 10:44:56 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 10:45:13 hotblack23: uh, seems I've broke prometheus 10:45:29 hotblack23: lemme check 10:45:50 rotty: thanks 10:46:57 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:47:08 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 10:50:56 hotblack23: can you "cd systems/prometheus && git pull" (and the same for systems/sbank), and then run fetch-systems again? 10:54:07 rotty: sbank wasn't downloaded yet, now I'm getting another error. 10:54:33 hotblack23 annotated #88465 "another error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#1 10:57:53 what is a good way to convert a bignum into a flonum? 10:57:53 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:57:57 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 10:58:19 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 10:58:21 im talking about the actual implementation of it, not some given procedure 11:01:23 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:06:51 ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has joined #scheme 11:07:54 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@80.229.216.34] has quit [] 11:11:02 incubot: (inexact 100000000000000) 11:11:02 Error: unbound variable: inexact 11:11:02 -!- ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:11:09 incubot: (exact->inexact 100000000000000) 11:11:10 100000000000000.0 11:11:11 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 11:11:33 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 11:13:11 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:14:10 hotblack23: I've now pushed fixes for SPE itself, and conjure -- can you "git pull" there, and retry? 11:18:26 rotty: now the build went much further, there is one (hopefully last) error. 11:18:59 hotblack23 annotated #88465 "one more error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#2 11:19:00 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:19:20 Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@80.229.216.34] has joined #scheme 11:19:25 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 11:21:33 hmm, I didn't get that one in my (hopefully clean) sandbox 11:23:00 *rotty* investigates 11:24:45 choas [n=lars@p5B0DF28A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 11:25:14 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-175.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 11:27:33 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:28:06 ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has joined #scheme 11:31:09 hotblack23: this is a bit of a long shot, but can you remove r6rs-libs/,config.cache, and retry? If it fails again, please paste the contents of r6rs-libs/,config.cache (and perhaps also try a complete fresh checkout) 11:31:53 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 11:36:39 rotty: I removed the systems and r6rs-libs directories, retried fetch-systems and get the same error. 11:36:44 hotblack23 annotated #88465 ",config.cache" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#3 11:37:30 -!- ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:37:45 Hi, I am trying to package a program for Gentoo linux. It compiles, but when I run it I only 11:37:45 get a long error message and a segfault. Since I am not a scheme expert- could anyone of you 11:37:45 please have a quick look at it and give me some hints what might be wrong, and where? 11:37:45 See http://dpaste.com/105352/ .... TIA! 11:37:47 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 11:40:02 -!- yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit ["Coyote finally caught me"] 11:40:11 yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 11:45:17 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:45:53 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 11:48:41 incubot: (exact->inexact 100000000000000000000000000) 11:48:42 1e+26 11:49:11 doh! 11:49:26 i was looking at the wrong variable in the debugger :p 11:51:23 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:51:34 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 11:57:05 hotblack23: probably a bug in the interaction with gobject-introspection; can you do this: "./scripts/launch ikarus", and the at the REPL: 11:57:16 s/the at/then at/ 11:57:40 (import (sbank typelib)) 11:58:04 ejs [n=eugen@94.178.211.122] has joined #scheme 11:58:16 (import (sbank gobject)) 11:58:29 (typelib-import ("Everything" #f) (setup gobject-setup!)) 12:02:55 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:03:51 hotblack23 annotated #88465 "error on (import (sbank gobject))" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#4 12:04:57 rotty: I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 Beta on this computer, I will tried it with 9.04 on another computer. Perhaps it is a problem with library versions? 12:06:14 rotty: s/tried/try/ 12:07:39 hotblack23: may be; we should try to get a relevant error message (seems sbank's build process swallows it). 12:09:15 OK, maybe this: (import (sbank typelib base)) (require-typelib "GLib" #f 0) 12:10:37 I'd guess this will raise a &gerror condition 12:16:41 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:17:05 hotblack23 annotated #88465 "(require-typelib "GLib" #f 0)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#5 12:17:37 rotty: I installed the repository from an ubuntu package, i will check if there is something for glib in it. 12:18:38 ok, there we have it. there should be a /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/GLib-2.0.typelib file 12:19:16 (from the gobject-introspection-glib-2.0 package, at least on Debian sid) 12:19:40 wingo [n=wingo@149.Red-81-39-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 12:22:31 The package was named gobject-introspection-repository, it seems gobject-introspection-glib-2.0 is a separate package. 12:23:39 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:26:33 rotty: fetch-systems now finished without errors, thank you. I will now try some gtk examples. 12:27:29 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-3-152.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 12:34:55 hotblack23: cool. you should run the test suite as well ("./scripts/launch ikarus test sbank") 12:38:27 rotty: It seems I'm also missing the typelib for 'Everything'. 12:38:58 -!- Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@80.229.216.34] has quit [] 12:40:37 rotty: Another question: Shouldn't there be an gtk.sls in r6rs-libs/sbank? I only see a gtk.sls.in and the gtk hello-world.sps says it can't find the library (sbank gtk). 12:44:38 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-175.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:44:44 hotblack23: regarding the Everything typelib: it seems that it isn't included in any package (on Debian sid, on Ubuntu is probably the same) 12:45:23 hotblack23: regarding gtk.sls: you need the Gtk-2.0.typelib. On Debian it's in gobject-introspection-repository 12:45:35 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [] 12:46:08 *rotty* will file a bug regarding the Everything typelib 12:48:53 hotblack23: when you've installed the package containing Gtk-2.0.typelib, run "./scripts/launch ikarus build" 12:53:27 rotty: the typelib is in the same package in ubuntu, and it was already installed in /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/Gtk-2.0.typelib. After rebuilding there is still no gtk.sls 12:53:35 -!- acieroid` is now known as acieroid 12:54:30 hotblack23 annotated #88465 "./scripts/launch ikarus build" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#6 12:55:48 hotblack23: try removing r6rs-libs/,config.cache, then rebuild. if gtk.sls is still not generated, please paste the build output again. 13:01:18 hotblack23 annotated #88465 "rebuild" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#7 13:02:17 rotty: do I have to register the typelib anywhere or does sbank look at /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ for all typelibs? 13:02:25 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 13:02:34 hotblack23: no, it should work out-of-the-box 13:06:30 hotblack23: can you try: (import (sbank typelib base))) (require-typelib "Gtk" #f 0) 13:07:22 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:16 hotblack23 annotated #88465 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88465#8 13:11:11 Makoryu [n=vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:14:14 ok, another bug in the build machinery, it seems -- I'll try to come up with a fix 13:15:06 rotty: I just tried some examples from seed, the javascript bindings for gobject-introspection, and they seem to work. So my system can't be that borked :) 13:17:24 midknightstar [n=chatzill@74.233.183.159] has joined #scheme 13:18:26 hotblack23: no, your system is OK. It's just that sbank had very little testing ;-) 13:18:41 (and thanks for being that patient!) 13:24:15 -!- midknightstar [n=chatzill@74.233.183.159] has left #scheme 13:32:21 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-38-108.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 13:34:34 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 13:45:51 good day schemers 13:47:07 hotblack23: it seems gobject-introspection-repository has missing dependencies: do you have /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/xlib-2.0.typelib? 13:49:41 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-102-196.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:49:58 hotblack23: and if the answer is "no", did you try seed examples involving GTK+? 13:51:17 rotty: yes its installed, although I'm not sure which package installed it. I tried examples for gtktreeview and gtktextview, both worked. 13:55:33 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@76.10.149.209] has joined #scheme 13:56:25 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@76.10.149.209] has quit [Client Quit] 13:57:08 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 13:57:51 hotblack23: please pull sbank, and re-try (including the ,config.cache removal) -- it should now hopefully show why it isn't generating gtk.sls 13:58:08 I just can't reproduce this exact issue on my system 13:58:42 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:01:47 rotty: That must have been a heisenbug, I see no error anymore, gtk.sls is generated and the hello world example works :) 14:02:19 finally! 14:04:29 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 14:04:59 Yes, thank you for your time. Now the really complicated part starts: getting Clutter and GStreamer to work :) 14:06:01 ASau [n=user@91.77.240.166] has joined #scheme 14:07:06 hotblack23: very nice! be sure to prod me when you run into problems, or have questions. I'll be AFK for an hour or two, however. 14:11:43 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 14:13:17 chandler: removed crappy DLR bignum with another that has beeter performance, that other 'benchmark' you posted now runs in 12 seconds :) 14:14:08 dfeuer_ [n=dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-120.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:14:25 s/removed/replaced/ 14:18:49 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:19:14 npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 14:24:03 dnm [n=dnm@c-68-49-47-248.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:29:04 -!- dfeuer__ [n=dfeuer@pool-71-178-182-135.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:35:09 -!- wingo [n=wingo@149.Red-81-39-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:35:52 wingo [n=wingo@215.Red-81-39-162.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:36:16 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 14:38:44 -!- ASau [n=user@91.77.240.166] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:38:52 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 14:39:14 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:43:52 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:44:19 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:55:37 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:56:14 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 15:00:14 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:00:22 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:02:50 minion [n=minion@208.72.159.207] has joined #scheme 15:03:57 xwl [n=user@125.34.171.114] has joined #scheme 15:04:24 specbot [n=specbot@208.72.159.207] has joined #scheme 15:09:38 cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.129] has joined #scheme 15:09:40 -!- leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-vifvpvjoybdxatou] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 15:18:26 -!- cornucopic is now known as cornucopic_away 15:23:56 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 15:24:07 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:24:29 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:26:03 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-65.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 15:27:40 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:28:08 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:40:45 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 15:47:08 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:47:50 ASau [n=user@91.77.240.166] has joined #scheme 15:53:56 -!- xwl [n=user@125.34.171.114] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:06:54 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:07:28 *jcowan* unvanishes 16:08:03 -!- Makoryu [n=vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #scheme 16:09:14 "Absquatulandus sum": elegant. 16:09:20 *jcowan* loves the verb "absquatulate" 16:09:23 -!- ASau [n=user@91.77.240.166] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:09:30 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:09:57 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-131.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:14:34 jcowan, that is epic indeed! What does it mean? 16:14:39 eek 16:14:43 -!- gnomon_ is now known as gnomon 16:15:47 To disappear suddenly, possibly carrying off the contents of one's employer's safe. 16:16:16 Needless to say, there is no underlying Latin very "absquatulare". 16:16:23 s/very/verb 16:19:56 But if there were, "absquatulandus sum" would mean "I must/will absquatulate", which is very suitable for a departure from IRC. 16:20:13 Possibly carrying off ... well, something. 16:24:30 *jcowan* emits The Acquisitive Chuckle. 16:26:15 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-120-34.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 16:32:04 -!- ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:35:26 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 16:43:46 optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 16:53:41 Guest24233 [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-120-34.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:55:23 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-3-152.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:56:22 -!- Guest24233 is now known as sepult 16:56:28 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-120-34.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:58:08 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:58:36 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:04:00 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 17:05:36 -!- Greg02 [n=greg@ool-18bc79e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:07:14 -!- ejs [n=eugen@94.178.211.122] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 17:19:54 -!- dnm [n=dnm@c-68-49-47-248.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:19:54 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:20:16 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:23:53 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-120-34.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:24:20 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0573A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:24:21 -!- cornucopic_away is now known as cornucopic 17:26:45 zbigniew, what if I don't have Subversion or Chicken installed? Why can't I just fetch these with an HTTP or FTP client? 17:28:52 Riastradh: You can use a http client to access the files in svn 17:29:36 Alternatively, you can fetch the egg from henrietta directly, but you will have to split up the files manually 17:29:59 http://chicken.kitten-technologies.co.uk/henrietta.cgi?name=EGGNAME 17:30:49 Oh, and you can also fetch the raw files from trac by clicking the tiny link at the bottom when viewing a file 17:34:07 dilfridge, I'm not sure where in the message at you see any indication of a segfault (which is usually a very serious error in a Scheme system), but perhaps you would find it more fruitful to direct your question toward the maintainers of the software you're trying to package (gwave?), or to the Guile mailing list. 17:34:24 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-3-152.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 17:34:47 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-120-34.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:35:32 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:36:34 sjamaan, I just want to fetch a tarball and read its source in Emacs. For example, here's a random egg that I stumbled across: . The link to graph-dominators.egg is broken. I haven't a clue where I can find it. 17:36:45 Also, the link to the egg index at the bottom is broken! 17:37:58 *sjamaan* grumbles 17:38:08 eggdoc... 17:38:20 eggs are no longer tarballs 17:38:26 I believe the reason is Windows 17:38:33 ? 17:38:40 It has no tar program 17:38:47 Couldn't Chicken include one? 17:38:56 That would be an extra dependency 17:39:14 So? Tar is pretty trivial. 17:39:18 The henrietta solution I posted is what Felix came up with to get rid of that problem 17:39:18 It sounds like Windows is an extra pain. 17:39:24 yeah 17:39:27 What's `henrietta'? 17:39:30 The cgi 17:39:58 It has its own simple files-pasted-together format 17:40:57 Can you tell me how to fetch the source code to an egg with standard Unix tools? Once upon a time, I could just do `mkdir quux && cd quux && curl http://foo.bar/baz/quux.egg | gunzip -c | tar xf -', and I'd have the source code in front of me fine and dandy. 17:41:05 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 17:41:51 I don't think you can do that using standard unix tools anymore, I'm afraid 17:41:59 That's stupid! 17:42:06 Go bug Felix 17:42:08 :) 17:42:30 why not just use chicken-install -r ? 17:42:39 I don't want to *install* an egg, C-Keen. 17:42:41 I want to *read* an egg. 17:42:46 chicken-install -r just fetches the egg 17:42:50 it does not install an egg it just fetches the files 17:42:58 felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #scheme 17:43:09 The -r stands for "retrieve" 17:43:38 That requires me to have Chicken installed. 17:43:42 aye 17:43:54 I just want to stumble across a link that Google gave me to the documentation for an egg and then read the source code! 17:43:55 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:44:10 Google turns up a lot of links to eggs, by the way. 17:44:11 hehe which came first 17:44:19 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:44:44 In this case, you have to have a Chicken in order to obtain an egg, apparently, leppie, even if all you want is an egg -- although an egg won't help you to obtain a Chicken. 17:45:28 unless you have another chicken 17:46:42 Riastradh: Why not file a bugreport? 17:47:03 It almost seems as though someone were deliberately trying to make it hard to read the source code to eggs. 17:47:14 Don't be silly 17:47:18 also wget should be able to get you the source files from svn, is that standard unix tool enough for your setup? 17:47:48 C-Keen, can I invoke wget or curl or ftp or whatnot *once*, with a single URI, to fetch the whole source code to an egg? 17:47:56 I don't want to have to grovel about with wget options to make it do some elaborate recursive fetch, or find a list of all the relevant URIs, or anything like that. 17:48:25 Riastradh: svn uses webDAV, so any webdav client should be able to do that for you 17:48:31 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 17:48:43 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:51:50 What is `webdav'? 17:52:30 A netweorked file protocol on top of HTTP 17:52:31 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:52:41 So why can't it just talk plain old vanilla HTTP, then? 17:52:47 It can 17:52:55 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:52:59 Oh, so I can just fetch a tarball with plain old vanilla HTTP? 17:53:05 But plain old vanilla HTTP doesn't have a way to tell it to give you all the contents of a directory 17:53:20 Riastradh: Are you on OS X? 17:53:20 Sure it does! You just have to put the directory into a tarball... 17:53:33 har, har 17:53:49 At the moment, yes, eli. 17:54:34 Finder includes webDAV support 17:54:34 Riastradh: In that case, there should be some way to "mount a web directory" (or some other fluffy Mac name for this), which you could use to mount a subversion directory on your FS. 17:55:11 Apple+G IIRC 17:55:17 "map network drive" 17:55:27 Well, maybe if these web pages even said the word `Subversion' that could be a clue to where to find the source code. 17:56:59 A random sampling of files in shows (1) no valid links to .egg files, (2) no valid links to egg indices, and (3) no mention of Subversion whatsoever. 17:57:11 That whole directory seems to be completely useless. 17:57:22 (Except that Google turns up no shortage of links to it.) 17:57:38 Riastradh: thanks, and you're right. I contacted the author by e-mail in the meantime. Maybe he can figure out what happens... 17:57:41 The wiki is pretty much broken at this point 17:58:10 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 17:58:22 At the moment I think it is doing more damage than good, then, because people will come across Google links, find totally broken web pages, and think `hmm, Chicken -- pretty broken'. 17:59:35 That directory shouldn't even be accessible 17:59:46 Can you fix that? 17:59:48 It's there because of how the guts of svnwiki function 17:59:50 I cannot 17:59:56 the egg index link in the navigation bar type thingy on the wiki should always work 18:00:04 Maybe raikov or mario-goulart can 18:00:07 if it does not it is a bug 18:00:17 Like I said, file a bugreport 18:00:18 is that the link you were talking about Riastradh 18:00:29 At least then there's a chance the right people will see it and do something about it 18:00:45 C-Keen: That page is an eggdoc page, so it's not the wiki at all 18:00:55 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:01:05 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 18:01:28 sjamaan: ah, that 18:03:51 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:04:52 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 18:05:20 OK, I've sent mail to Felix. 18:07:00 maodun [n=stopgo@124.64.101.226] has joined #scheme 18:08:46 Riastradh: Just navigate to http://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4/ 18:08:48 I'm trying to get md5 working with unicode. (md5 (string->bytes/utf-8 "")) seems to return the wrong hash. Can anyone give me pointers? 18:09:32 Riastradh: and then the egg you want is probably at: http://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4// 18:09:48 zbigniew: You forgot "tags" 18:10:18 Riastradh: for example, svn co http://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4/base64/tags/3.2/ 18:10:32 Riastradh: or svn co http://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4/base64/trunk 18:11:15 Or if unversioned, svn co http://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4/tcp-server 18:13:03 zachprogrammer [n=zachprog@65.127.18.98] has joined #scheme 18:13:09 Hello everyone. 18:13:24 Anyone interested in helping out. 18:13:49 I need to play a .mpg file using PLT Scheme. 18:13:54 Any ideas? 18:15:24 maodun, hmm: why are you using MD5? 18:15:43 zbigniew, this all sounds very complicated, and, again, what if I don't have Subversion installed? 18:15:45 Riastradh: I'm forced to to comply with a 3rd party protocol 18:16:04 maodun, I see. OK. 18:16:34 Help? 18:16:41 I'm guessing, based on the procedure STRING->BYTES/UTF-8, that you're using PLT Scheme, maodun? 18:17:01 I am thinking about using Python, but Im not sure if it will be easier in PLT Scheme. 18:17:33 Riastradh: yes, mzscheme 4.2 (sorry, forgot to specify) 18:18:35 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-38-108.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:19:46 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:19:54 maodun: How is it wrong? 18:20:14 zachprogrammer: "play" can mean a number of very different things. 18:20:51 like what? 18:21:03 I need ity to play the .mpg file so the user can watch it. 18:21:25 you dont need scheme for that 18:22:03 eli: Well, md5sum tells me it should be f764f..., my current value is e6c7... Also, a Haskell user tells me his md5 lib is returning the f7... string. 18:22:41 -!- zachprogrammer [n=zachprog@65.127.18.98] has quit ["http://irc2go.com/"] 18:22:55 Beh. 18:23:12 maodun, that would be the md5sum of "\n" 18:25:16 rcy [n=rcy@96.49.69.62] has joined #scheme 18:25:22 weinholt: Aaahh. Whoops. Thank you. 18:25:27 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.168] has joined #scheme 18:25:30 f764f327ac55767cbfed11f5be84357a 18:27:00 Riastradh: wget -r -np -nH --user anonymous --password "" --cut-dirs=4 http://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4/base64/tags/3.2/ 18:27:01 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:27:11 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 18:27:19 I can't believe I have to explain how to use HTTP 18:28:45 Well, the HTTP is hardly a straightforward protocol! Now how was I supposed to discover, from the links that Google turns up, what Subversion repository I was supposed to use, and that I was expected to have wget installed? 18:30:06 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:30:06 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:30:08 you weren't those pages are broken 18:30:14 It is really not obvious to me how the present state of affairs is an improvement. 18:30:31 Or even how the present state of affairs is not worse than the former state of affairs that I remember. 18:30:53 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 18:32:46 I also thought that once upon a time, Chicken had a cool domain name, call-with-current-continuation.org, which is at least related to Scheme; but now I have to know Portuguese to have any clue what `galinha.ucpel.tche.br' has to do with the Chicken Scheme compiler? Hmmm... 18:33:33 My God, you're like the Andy Rooney of #scheme. 18:33:57 I'm making some changes, just give me a second. 18:34:05 you don't. call-with-current-continuation.org does work no? 18:34:23 *jcowan* notes that Chicken has burned out one maintainer and (I conjecture) is on the verge of burning out another. 18:34:55 *jcowan* also managed to figure out what "galinha" means without knowing any Portuguese. 18:35:04 (Well, I guess I did too.) 18:35:45 Gee, an expired certificate for localhost at galinha.ucpel.tche.br? 18:36:14 That's what I get for trying to follow the link to the Subversion repository from . 18:36:59 -!- maodun [n=stopgo@124.64.101.226] has left #scheme 18:37:46 what's your point? 18:38:11 Listen, I feel your pain, the Chicken wiki is absolute shit, and the Chicken documentation situation is laughable at best and unusable at worst. 18:40:03 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 18:40:04 Chicken is a paradigm case of a badly managed project (this is not a criticism of anyone trying to manage it at present). 18:43:00 sepult [n=levgue@87.78.31.210] has joined #scheme 18:45:23 masm [n=masm@bl7-36-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 18:45:29 ejs [n=eugen@94.178.211.122] has joined #scheme 18:49:06 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:49:17 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-3-152.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:49:43 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 18:51:19 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060023699d4809.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 18:53:15 -!- jrtayloriv [n=jrt4@cpe-69-205-162-163.stny.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:53:38 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:53:39 vatsal [n=vatsal@122.252.231.11] has joined #scheme 18:53:52 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 18:55:05 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 18:56:17 -!- vatsal [n=vatsal@122.252.231.11] has quit [Client Quit] 18:56:53 -!- sepult [n=levgue@87.78.31.210] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:57:09 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:57:29 so they burned out Felix? 18:57:39 who is they? 18:58:23 don't know. 18:58:41 *jcowan* sends Felix his flame on how Chicken only pretends to be extensible. 18:59:10 I'm just trying to keep up with maintainer changes in scheme implementations, that's all. 18:59:13 -!- gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:59:17 It's the overall scale of the effort that burned him out. I think it's on the verge of burning out Kon as well. 19:01:56 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:02:33 OK fussy people, I have updated http://chicken.wiki.br/eggs to describe the Subversion repository and the method for checking out one individual egg. 19:03:22 The information was already available via http://chicken.wiki.br/chicken-projects/egg-index-4.html (look at the egg tutorial), but the information was scattered about. 19:05:09 sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:05:33 -!- peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060023699d4809.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [] 19:05:36 thanks zbigniew 19:06:39 I'm attempting to add something to that page unauthenticated, and I'm locked in "Checking status..." 19:07:03 The last time I tried this, the page never updated. 19:07:12 which page, jcowan 19:07:24 http://chicken.wiki.br/eggs 19:07:41 to specify the username and password to use when clicking on the direct link. 19:08:10 it worked 19:08:28 sorry--I forgot my browser has the user/pass stored 19:08:32 *jcowan* nods. 19:08:57 Yes, it did update, even though my browser (Chrome) still says "Checking status..." 19:09:30 I'll try to fix the data type description page again; it's wrong for 64-bit Chicken. 19:09:39 -!- sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 19:09:57 oh 19:10:00 fucking subversion 19:10:05 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has left #scheme 19:10:32 Oooh, my update *did* go in eventually, complete with FIXME FIXME FIXME 19:10:50 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-210.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:11:27 So, does anyone know what SWIG pointers, lambda infos, or buckets are? 19:11:28 ... 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who needs mnemonics when you can encode the operation into a bit string itself? (bitwise-and a b) = (bitwise #b0001 a b), (bitwise-xor a b) = (bitwise #b0110 a b), &c. This will make programs much clearer, and obviates any need for bizarre mnemonics like xnor and orc2. 20:41:51 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:42:05 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:42:41 (Also, I note that even the esteemed Shivers chose mnemonics for SRFI 33 that mismatch with the precedent set by the traditional PDP-10 mnemonics.) 20:44:27 This also obviates the need for a BITWISE-NOT, since you can just use (bitwise #b1010 0 x) for the same result as (bitwise-not x). 20:46:24 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:46:44 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:55:01 Riastradh: why do we use bit vectors or strings (really don't have much idea)? 20:55:55 Hmm? Well, I'm talking about operations on integers viewing them as their two's-complement representation. 20:56:31 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:56:53 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:57:14 Riastradh: Such an approach requires run-time determination of the operation to be performed, which is inherently slower on traditional hardware architectures. 20:57:40 Not when the operation is written literally. 20:58:46 True, but a macro could accomplish that. 20:58:51 On a related (and more serious note), though, I think that I should like to see separate SHIFT-LEFT and SHIFT-RIGHT operations, which assume their count arguments to be non-negative. 20:59:05 (How did `note' slip into that parenthesis? I did not tell it to do so.) 20:59:44 My forthcoming blob SRFI will have a vast number of procedures each of which can be inlined with essentially no conditional jumps except for whatever argument checking is still required. 21:00:22 -!- arthurmaciel [n=user@189.100.98.149] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:01:05 mostly of the form blob--{ref,set!} or blob---{ref,set!} 21:01:49 where type is {s,u}{8,16,32} or f{32,64} or c{64,128} or utf{8,16,32}, and byteorder is {be,le} and is not applicable to the types ending in 8. 21:05:52 -!- wingo [n=wingo@215.Red-81-39-162.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:07:43 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:08:06 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:09:48 jcowan, are blobs bit vectors or octet vectors? 21:11:17 Octet vectors. 21:11:46 Or, at least, octet vectors is the most refined version I'm proposing. It would be easy to layer bit vectors over blobs too. 21:12:16 You cannot retrieve an arbitrary octet, only one that falls on 8-bit boundaries. 21:14:24 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.129] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:16:28 incubot: boole? 21:16:31 Someone once said BOOLE is the crowning jewel perched precariously upon the perfect peak of programmer prowess, casting its limitless limpid light over the loathesome lands of those who scuff and wallow in the dreary dust of digital depravity and unbounded wilful ignorance of the testament of Our Lord God as channeled through the X3J13 committee. 21:18:29 neilv2 [n=nvandyke@fpos-xp.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:23:20 wingo [n=wingo@172.Red-83-32-67.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:35 Riastradh: should a library/module for nested-foof-loop re-export all bindings from foof-loop? 21:29:43 *rotty* guesses "yes" 21:30:04 -!- proq` is now known as proq 21:30:24 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:30:32 I don't see why it should. 21:30:41 ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:30:57 s,library/module,R6RS library, 21:31:08 I still don't see why it should. 21:31:31 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:32:41 Riastradh: Sorry, my question was misleading. The R6RS library for foof-loop exports all "auxiliary keywords" (for, in-list, in-vector) -- my question was only about those. 21:33:08 Right. Why should nested-foof-loop export those too? 21:33:58 Riastradh: as otherwise, you can't use nested-foof-loop without always importing foof-loop as well. 21:34:26 oh, wait... 21:34:42 scrap that. 21:35:13 I guess it makes sense to not re-export. I was apparently confused. 21:35:43 Sure. What's wrong with importing foof-loop? 21:36:19 -!- rcy [n=rcy@96.49.69.62] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:37:06 nothing :-) 21:39:20 npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 21:40:30 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:47:18 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:47:59 mejja, anything broken lately? 21:49:26 *jcowan* helpfully offers to break mejja's fibula, just in case. 21:50:33 jcowan: ? 21:51:46 Riastradh seemed to expect that you might have broken something, and I wished to help you oblige him. 21:59:18 Riastradh: the swedish national football team... 22:03:29 Good, I think that doesn't really affect MIT Scheme, then. 22:03:45 jcowan's parsing of my sentence is entertaining, though, and I wonder whether it was intentional. 22:05:00 It's hard to say whether it was intentional on my part: certainly it just sprung to mind, without my going to look for it. 22:07:48 Closure analysis is slightly less broken, in any case. 22:10:12 9;5~/win 2 22:11:23 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DF28A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:14:50 jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 22:16:11 schmir [n=schmir@p54A9069C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:16:39 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 22:21:06 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 avsh [n=chatzill@117.193.33.163] has joined #scheme 22:21:27 -!- neilv2 [n=nvandyke@fpos-xp.csail.mit.edu] has left #scheme 22:26:17 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-38-249.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:32:33 -!- avsh [n=chatzill@117.193.33.163] has left #scheme 22:33:20 jcowan: i thought the r6rs bytevector api was pretty nice 22:34:07 I have a few quarrels with it, like the name bytevector and the provision of endianness ("byte order" in a saner world) as an argument rather than as part of the procedure name. 22:34:17 the only thing i miss is the ability to alias to a srfi-4 vector 22:34:24 That's trivial to superimpose. 22:35:17 I miss the separate words `byte' and `vector'. `Bytevector' is silly. 22:35:25 (Also, `byte' is wrong.) 22:36:08 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A9069C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:36:08 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-77-240-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:36:08 -!- wingo [n=wingo@172.Red-83-32-67.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:36:08 -!- clklein_ [n=clklein@spaghetti.cs.northwestern.edu] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:36:08 -!- ponzao__1 [n=vesam@xdsl-83-150-86-25.nebulazone.fi] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:36:08 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:36:08 -!- dfeuer_ [n=dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-120.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit 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optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 22:58:19 given a port, how do I bind it to stdin/stdout for the rest of the code? 23:00:02 You mean, until the program terminates? 23:00:34 hmm, i want something like call-with-input-file 23:00:36 but from a port, not a file 23:00:52 wait, maybe not 23:01:03 okay, I want the inverse of (current-input-port) 23:01:07 I want to set it rather than get the current one 23:01:39 *offby1* doesn't even know what it means to "bind" a port 23:02:01 optimizer: in PLT scheme, you could do (current-input-port some-port-you-already-have) 23:02:05 It kind of sucks that there is no standard way to do that. 23:02:13 and from then on, reads from (current-input-port) would read from some-port-you-already-have 23:02:29 offby1: And in any other Scheme implementing SRFI 39. 23:02:34 ah, so I should not be looking for this in r5rs? 23:02:38 (as in it's not in r5rs?) 23:02:46 r5rs is useless 23:02:47 *offby1* ducks 23:03:52 optimizer: Unfortunately 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Which Scheme are you using? 23:05:19 gambit scheme 23:05:27 it appears (current-input-port [new value]) should work 23:05:33 (except it's not working yet; bug may be elsewhere though) 23:05:57 *jcowan* nods. 23:07:32 SRFI 39 is supported by PLT, Gauche, Gambit, Chicken, Guile, Kawa, SISC, IronScheme, Ikarus, Larceny, Mosh, and STklos. 23:07:50 So all of them will accept (current-*-port new-port) to change the port, 23:08:01 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 23:08:11 or (parameterize ((current-*-port new-port)) ...) for dynamic binding. 23:08:51 having enabled srfi-39 as appropriate to the scheme in question 23:09:18 *jcowan* nods. 23:12:57 It's built-in for all but Guile and STklos 23:13:09 (I don't know about IronScheme or Mosh, I don't have those) 23:15:55 attila_lendvai [n=ati@89.134.66.153] has joined #scheme 23:20:29 neilv2 [n=nvandyke@fpos-xp.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 23:22:49 i wish there had been this continuation-based web serving back when i understood first-class continuations better 23:25:47 now i'm trying to make sure there can be no bad re-entering of web pages, and realize i probably have to go back and get a good intuition for continuations again 23:26:03 tltstc [n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:28:15 What counts as a bad re-entry? 23:28:40 In a pure continuation world, all re-entries are good, but if you have made changes to the Real World, you may or may not be able to undo them. 23:29:33 -!- wingo [n=wingo@172.Red-83-32-67.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:29:47 jrtayloriv [n=jrt4@69.205.162.163] has joined #scheme 23:29:50 yes, there are lots of side-effects in my current app 23:30:55 The notion of continuations does not help you discover which cases cannot be rolled back. 23:34:14 -!- gribozavr [n=grib@109.86.114.90] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:34:21 another concern is state captured by them 23:34:34 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 23:34:35 if any 23:35:48 -!- offby1 [n=user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:35:51 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 23:36:11 rudybot_ [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 23:36:13 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:36:45 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot 23:37:41 gribozavr [n=grib@109.86.114.90] has joined #scheme 23:42:05 neilv2: Yes, having side effect -ish code with continuations can be bad... 23:43:19 i think i will punt it for now. my immediate application is accessed through a specialized browser widget that has no back button nor url field 23:46:28 neilv2: In any case, there should be something like `send/suspend' that does not keep the continuation -- if you don't have a back button, there's no use keeping those resources around. 23:46:43 is "send/suspend/dispatch" the usual thing to use, or is the tutorial misleading me 23:47:24 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A9069C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:48:59 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@89.134.66.153] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:52:35 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]