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Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 13:29:44 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:29:44 -!- felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:32:14 I have found some PDF's on r6rs.org 13:36:07 thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has joined #scheme 13:36:11 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:37:08 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 13:38:52 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 13:44:13 luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 13:45:29 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:45:34 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 13:48:25 fridge try http://www.scheme.com/tspl3/ or http://www.htdp.org/ 13:53:52 rdd [n=user@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 13:55:29 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #scheme 13:55:59 moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has joined #scheme 13:57:44 xwl [n=user@123.115.121.251] has joined #scheme 14:05:57 -!- jao [n=jao@195.Red-83-33-226.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:06:45 C-Keen: TSPL does not come in PDF 14:06:50 unfortunately :( 14:07:09 Pretty sure you can convert it to if needed 14:07:12 leppie: right, but you could help yourself 14:07:18 Not that PDF is a particularly great documentation format 14:07:34 Jafet: its better than HTML 14:07:36 :) 14:07:50 According to whom? I'd much rather deal with HTML than PDF. 14:07:50 Well, I find that arguable 14:08:02 We could all agree that it is better than info, and save a flame 14:08:03 PDF is slow and cumbersome, and most of the time I can't even sensibly copy a block of text from it 14:08:10 I rather deal with neither! 14:08:11 No, we couldn't. 14:08:16 CHM FTW! 14:08:28 CHM is a thin wrapper over HTML 14:08:52 I know, but it is a handy format for docs 14:09:00 chandler: that almost sounds like an admission to using Windows and Acrobat. 14:09:23 I guess it cant be too hard to compile a CHM from TSPL's webpages 14:09:26 No; PDF rendering is universally slow, though the fastest PDF reader I've used is actually on Windows (Sumatra PDF). 14:09:34 Other PDF viewers don't get too much better than Acrobat, unfortunately 14:09:36 or even just copy into MSWord and save as PDF :p 14:09:38 *leppie* ducks 14:09:44 Copying text from PDFs, especially columnar text, is almost always error-prone. 14:10:12 ever since I stopped having to use acrobat and its awful startup times I also stopped hating pdf. 14:10:19 The problem with PDF, I think, is that people seem to think it's more than formatting and layout 14:10:31 And there you go, the world now runs on PDF 14:10:31 no chandler: copying text from PDF's created from a PS file is nigh impossible! 14:10:33 hkBst: What do you use that fixes the problems I mentioned? 14:11:04 leppie: That's the worst case. The best case is just that everythingcomesoutwithoutanyspacesinit or the rearranged have been all the words. 14:11:05 chandler: Native OS X PDF rendering schools Sumatra. 14:11:40 So does native OS X PDF navigation, admittedly 14:11:40 Absolutely not. Try Sumatra in a VM compared to Preview. It launches faster and opens the file faster. 14:11:40 This might just be because OS X hates I/O. 14:11:42 Sumatra can render fast because it doesn't render everything 14:11:50 Erhm 14:11:59 We must be checking out differen't pdfs 14:12:00 If you're not using Acrobat, you give up on complete rendering anyway. 14:12:12 -!- ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:12:43 chandler: well, okular lets you select blocks and lets you choose to export it as image or text. It works well enough for my needs. I don't know if it solves your problems. 14:12:51 Arelius: We must be. Most PDFs that I view open perceptably instantly, especially on a native Windows machine. Preview still has to sit and ponder for a second or two. 14:13:43 chandler: Yup just tried it again with all the pdfs I have 14:13:50 It's all instant 14:14:26 I don't think I've ever seen *anything* happen on OS X instantly. But this is probably a flamewar for another day :-) 14:15:01 Haha 14:15:11 Must've had an old OS X/computer 14:15:21 Anyways, they all school acrobat 14:15:33 No; I'm using a 2.4GHz MacBook Pro and Snow Leopard. 14:15:53 Weird 14:16:02 It's especially amusing when the OS decides that it needs to spin up an attached FireWire / USB hard drive for no particularly good reason because I double click on a file, or click a link in Safari. 14:16:11 Then it's on the order of 10 seconds before *anything* happens. 14:16:27 Hmm 14:16:33 Night 14:16:34 If I restrain myself to running one program at a time, things work better; and from what I've seen, SSD systems work much beter. 14:18:11 PDF documents can be nicer to read than HTML documents: PDF documents at least have a chance to be nicely typeset. 14:19:18 You can decide how your HTML is typeset 14:19:29 For example, this nice innovation called stylesheets 14:19:53 Ha. 14:20:27 Nice typesetting, copyable text, fast(ish) rendering: pick one. 14:23:18 masm1 [n=masm@bl7-36-15.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 14:23:20 foof: (setq erc-join-buffer 'bury) 14:23:51 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-92-172.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:24:21 karme [n=user@io.karme.de] has joined #scheme 14:29:39 bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 14:33:58 felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #scheme 14:43:41 gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 14:47:10 -!- ASau [n=user@host217-230-msk.microtest.ru] has quit ["off"] 14:47:41 Guest475 [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-122-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:48:57 -!- Guest475 [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-122-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:52:53 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-122-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:53:31 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:00:29 -!- Dawgmatix [n=user@c-68-32-44-191.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:13:18 Makoryu [n=vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:19:40 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 15:21:06 -!- Fufie [n=poff@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:24:02 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-131.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:30:09 minion: memo for ASau: thanks! 15:30:09 Remembered. I'll tell ASau when he/she/it next speaks. 15:31:51 dfeuer_ [n=dfeuer@pool-74-96-73-47.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:39:47 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 15:43:14 ecyrb [i=bamoore@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG] has joined #scheme 15:46:24 -!- dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:48:38 In chez, if I import the eval from (rnrs) I can't eval defines, but if I import the eval from (scheme) I can. Is the (scheme) import specific to chez? 15:49:28 And is eval'ing defines a normal thing to do? Or should I expect most implementations to forbid it due to a define in the wrong context? 15:50:00 The effect of passing a definition to EVAL is unspecified, I believe. 15:50:08 Certainly it is in the R5RS. 15:50:16 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 15:52:10 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:58:09 I believe that evaling a `define' is illegal in R6 15:58:20 and the (scheme) library is definitely chez-specific 15:58:59 Fair enough. 15:59:51 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [] 16:00:45 dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-85-135-191.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:01:47 Let's say I have a text file with N strings on the first line. Call them names or whatever. So the first line could be "X Y Z". Now in each additional line are values I want these names to take. e.g. "3.14 2 8" could be the next line. 16:02:12 schoppenhauer [n=christop@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #scheme 16:02:31 If I have a bunch of "expression trees" that use the names, like "(+ (- X Y) Z)" I would like to evaluate the trees 16:03:17 sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-10.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:03:24 jeapostrophe [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:03:39 My question is: What is the best way of doing this? 16:04:22 ecyrb: you could parse the file and pass an expression like `(let ((X 3.15) (Y 2) ...)) ,) to eval 16:05:07 Right. Now say I want to evaluate 100000 expression trees against the same set of values 16:05:09 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-122-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:05:11 Is that still the best way? 16:05:17 -!- sepult` is now known as sepult 16:06:22 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 16:06:23 it may be faster in that case to generate scheme code and then pass it to the implementation 16:06:28 rather than using eval 16:06:36 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-10.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:07:04 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:07:20 or write a macro that expands to this code 16:08:06 Also, these files can have a large number of lines, so I need to re-set the values and then re-evaluate all of my trees 16:08:14 (on every line) 16:08:23 ecyrb, no, it would be better to use ((eval `(LAMBDA (X Y) ,expression) environment) 3.15 2), or, rather, (let ((procedure (eval `(LAMBDA (X Y) ,expression) environment))) ... (repeat ... (procedure x y) ...)) 16:08:55 -!- samth [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:10:18 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:14:50 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-24-10.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:20:05 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:20:17 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:23:33 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:23:33 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:23:52 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:25:36 Riastradh: So I'm going to evaluate a bunch of bindings for every expression tree? 16:26:06 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:26:12 No. Evaluate the expression once; that gets you a procedure. Then call the procedure, which doesn't involve any macro expansion or compilation or anything. 16:26:22 Call the procedure repeatedly, that is. 16:26:28 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:29:30 I had exactly this discussion the other day. http://ironscheme.codeplex.com/Thread/View.aspx?ThreadId=70971 16:29:50 Ah. And I have a procedure binding for each expression tree, right? 16:32:24 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:32:27 Sorry, do you have multiple expressions, and one set of values for variables; or one expression, and multiple sets of values for variables; or multiple of each? If you have multiple expressions, of course you'll have to evaluate all of them; but for each expression, you need evaluate it only once, however many sets of values for variables you have. 16:32:28 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:32:31 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [] 16:33:09 Multiple of each. 16:33:42 OK. So for each of the expressions, evaluate a lambda about the expression once, and apply it to each of the sets of values for variables you want. 16:35:04 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:39:34 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:39:53 Thanks for the help. I'll give this a go and see how it works. 16:42:50 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:43:15 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:44:00 I supposed I can save myself some function calls if I did (let ((procedure (eval `(LAMBDA (x y) (list ,exp1 ,exp2 ...) environment))).... (repeat ... (procedure x1 y1) ...)) 16:44:08 s/supposed/suppose/ 16:45:26 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:45:47 Sure, if you can do things in aggregate like that. 16:46:03 ...rather, you can save yourself some EVALs. 16:47:36 I'm only saving NUM_EXPRESSIONS-1 evals, but I'm saving (NUM_EXPRESSIONS-1) * NUM_VALUE_SETS procedure calls 16:47:51 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:48:02 Yes, but the cost of a procedure call is negligible. 16:48:48 mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-sdejgqzubchvirrq] has joined #scheme 16:48:54 I guess I can find out. 16:50:09 -!- xwl [n=user@123.115.121.251] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:54:06 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:54:32 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:56:33 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:56:58 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:02:41 bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 17:02:41 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:03:03 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:07:46 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-102-196.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 17:07:47 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:08:48 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:11:53 wingo [n=wingo@162.Red-83-32-65.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:12:10 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:13:22 -!- mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-sdejgqzubchvirrq] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:14:22 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:16:35 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:19:04 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:25:54 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:26:11 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:29:38 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:30:14 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:32:42 schemes that provide :opt, :keyword, and :rest -- if you have a function with :keyword and :rest, must the tail of a function call be a proper keyword list? 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18:44:58 mario-goulart: eh? Try "rudybot__: help". 18:45:10 rudybot__: for what? 18:45:11 mario-goulart: eh? 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peer)] 19:26:43 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:27:23 St0rmMolest [n=St0rmMol@h26n2fls32o895.telia.com] has joined #scheme 19:27:41 what is the easiest way to delete the last item from a list 19:28:24 St0rmMolest, cross it off with a ball-point pen. 19:28:39 Or a charcoal stick, if you're a latte-drinking, beret-wearing yuppie. 19:29:54 St0rmMolest, more seriously, do you want to destructively delete the element from the list, or merely return a new list shorn of its final element? 19:30:15 return a new list 19:31:10 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 19:31:26 St0rmMolest, you may wish to investigate this procedure: http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-1/srfi-1.html#drop-right 19:31:27 St0rmMolest: SRFI-1 `drop-right' 19:31:43 Three seconds! A photo finish! 19:31:55 I like peanut butter. 19:32:09 eh, no SPFI please 19:32:13 if possible 19:32:31 St0rmMolest, so, how do you delete the last element of an empty list? 19:32:32 (reverse (cdr (reverse mylist))) 19:33:25 St0rmMolest, if you don't want the SRFI, I suggest you investigate the reference implementation and tree-shake out the bits you want - you could even start at http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-1/srfi-1-reference.scm 19:33:59 tree-shake? is that a procedure in r5rs? 19:34:01 (Is the object of this exercise merely to solve a subproblem in some program you're writing, or to learn how to write a procedure to delete the last element of a list?) 19:34:52 subproblem 19:35:20 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:35:31 OK, then you can just find the definition of DROP-RIGHT in srfi-1-reference.scm. By `tree-shake', gnomon means that you must conduct a bizarre ritual involving a several branches of a tree, your keyboard, and a jar of naval jelly (phosphoric acid). 19:35:44 i know how to do it, but I'm not to clear with how you can combine standard function 19:35:46 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:35:47 To be honest I'm just as confused as you about why he brought it up. 19:35:49 St0rmMolest, by "tree shaking" I mean "gather up the code you want, then gather its dependencies recursively until you're satisfied with the code you need to run the code you want". 19:36:14 Riastradh, well, it was that or the headlight fluid. 19:36:32 0_o 19:38:05 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40:17 So I've been semi-successfully making DVD backups using scheme. My kernel only faulted once today while doing so. 19:40:24 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:41:33 I think the neatest thing is how I can use dynamic-wind to precisely describe the setup and cleanup of encrypted partitions. Also found a neat way to abstract out subprocesses that seems to work better for me than (subprocess) 19:42:02 https://synx.us.to/code/scheme/backup/cryptmount.ss and https://synx.us.to/code/scheme/backup/subprocess.ss respectively. 19:42:22 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-230-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:44:28 I never figured out why mapping the dvd image then running mkfs.ext2 on it would crash my computer though... of course it worked fine the second time. 19:45:21 St0rmMolest: what scheme implementation are you using? 19:45:47 St0rmMolest: some provide the procedure `butlast'. 19:46:52 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:46:53 -!- snorble [n=none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has left #scheme 19:47:00 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:51:00 ok, good to know, but i think i'll stick to r5rs 19:53:10 -!- moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has left #scheme 19:53:52 St0rmMolest: Is there any compelling reason *not* to use SRFI-1? It's standard, and can be loaded from a reference implementation that's implemented in pure R5RS. 19:57:48 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:58:06 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:02:48 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:03:09 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:03:18 Guess you're right. 20:17:29 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:17:46 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:20:53 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 20:20:53 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:21:21 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:23:52 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:24:07 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:26:10 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B05576E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:27:31 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:27:44 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:27:47 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 20:28:09 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:29:03 -!- schemer999 [n=schemer9@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 20:30:19 dfeuer__ [n=dfeuer@pool-71-178-182-135.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:32:03 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:32:11 samth [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:32:17 schemer999 [n=schemer9@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:35:45 stepnem [n=stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #scheme 20:37:10 optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 20:37:13 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit [Client Quit] 20:38:29 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:39:03 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:42:14 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:42:35 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:43:31 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:43:34 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:43:43 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:45:19 -!- dfeuer_ [n=dfeuer@pool-74-96-73-47.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:48:14 (let ((proc (eval `(lambda ,variable-names (list ,@expressions)) environment))) (apply procedure values)) 20:48:38 That's my latest version. So I don't have to know the variable names in advance. 20:48:53 Pretty sweet I think. Thanks for the help Riastradh. 20:49:11 s/proc/procedure/ 20:50:50 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:51:59 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 21:01:16 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 21:07:50 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:08:17 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:09:17 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 21:10:56 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:13:27 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:18:29 -!- Dawgmatix [n=dawgmati@c-68-32-44-191.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:18:45 githogori [i=githogor@165.sub-75-208-82.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 21:22:25 optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 21:28:35 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:31:04 ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has joined #scheme 21:33:43 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:35:38 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 21:36:28 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 21:46:14 I guess the discussion on r6rs-discuss is all done now. So where's the next Scheme report? 21:48:12 :) 21:48:48 -!- ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:49:17 ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has joined #scheme 21:51:43 -!- ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:51:56 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:56:14 given the extreme fruitfullness of most of the discussion, it can't be far! 21:58:21 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:58:36 ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has joined #scheme 21:59:15 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:01:33 dsmith [n=dsmith@66.178.229.162] has joined #scheme 22:09:37 jao [n=jao@83.33.226.195] has joined #scheme 22:11:17 -!- ASau [n=user@91.76.56.159] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:11:46 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:14:53 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:16:01 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 22:16:41 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-134-7-174.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:17:25 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:18:26 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-3-152.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 22:25:20 -!- jrtayloriv [n=jrt4@cpe-69-205-162-163.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:26:15 jrtayloriv [n=jrt4@69.205.162.163] has joined #scheme 22:26:55 -!- ormandj [n=ormandj@cpe-72-177-239-168.satx.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:28:51 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-3-152.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:34:51 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:35:01 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:38:01 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 22:38:49 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:39:03 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:40:25 -!- St0rmMolest [n=St0rmMol@h26n2fls32o895.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:40:36 St0rmMolest [n=St0rmMol@h26n2fls32o895.telia.com] has joined #scheme 22:43:01 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:44:13 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 22:49:59 -!- ecyrb [i=bamoore@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG] has left #scheme 22:59:11 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:59:48 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 23:06:23 -!- naragon [n=naragon@c-24-13-157-19.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:07:41 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:08:11 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:11:02 optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 23:18:53 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 23:19:22 optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 23:21:37 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:24:51 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:25:25 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 23:31:28 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:45:59 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DE63E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 23:46:27 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 23:47:44 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:48:00 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 23:49:46 -!- optimizer [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 23:51:42 -!- dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-85-135-191.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:54:52 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:55:07 ASau [n=user@ppp91-76-56-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 23:56:47 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B05576E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."]