00:00:16 prescripter pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/82201 00:00:45 so now ... i'm trying to debug that for the following call 00:00:45 (my-eval '(sum j 1 6 j)) 00:01:13 that should return the matematical equivalent of Sigma of j = 1 to j=6 of j ... i.e. 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 00:01:15 -!- raikov [n=igr@42.155.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:01:34 but it gives me the error (my-eval '(sum j 1 6 j)) 00:01:36 oopse 00:01:41 procedure application: expected procedure, given: 6 (no arguments) 00:01:43 eek 00:01:55 ETOOMANYCDRS 00:07:19 easy4 [n=easy4@c-68-45-192-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:08:14 there is one too many perens in (let ((var ...)) ... it seems for one. 00:08:55 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@g226151028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 00:10:52 oops no... my bad, i changed (car (cdr to (cadr ... 00:16:38 i see 00:16:40 i do that 00:16:42 one more question 00:16:46 why is this 00:16:47 (cond ((eq? cmd 'sum) (0)) 00:16:52 giving this error 00:16:58 procedure application: expected procedure, given: 0 (no arguments) 00:17:08 how can i print something in the condition? 00:17:16 like if that condition is true, print 0 00:17:20 or return 0 00:18:25 (foo bar) means apply foo too bar... if you want to return foo, just write foo. 00:19:01 so just do this 00:19:25 (cond ((eq? cmd 'sum) 0) (else 1)) ? 00:19:33 because that's returning the same error 00:20:54 prescripter pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/82205 00:21:01 here is the paste 00:21:21 this is scar code 00:21:26 ((not (list? expr)) (eval expr)) 00:21:28 very odd that 00:21:40 well i started over 00:21:46 melgray [n=melgray@97-126-114-243.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 00:21:51 debugging as I write the function and make it grow 00:22:12 so i pasted thta small function 00:22:17 which gives me that error 00:22:19 procedure application: expected procedure, given: 1 (no arguments) 00:22:24 http://paste.lisp.org/display/82205 00:23:08 prescriptor: that let does not need another pair of parens around it 00:23:11 that's causing the application 00:23:27 right 00:23:59 - annotated #82205 "-" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/82205#1 00:24:11 oh 00:24:12 s/(else (/else/ and remove matching one. 00:24:20 thanks 00:24:41 wow .. what a language 00:24:51 also, take it or leave it, when writing scheme code, you usually don't want parens on their own lines. It'll at least be easier for people helping you to read the code. 00:25:31 sunny36 [n=somchok@203.159.92.21] has joined #scheme 00:25:52 prescriptor: this has some nice guidelines for scheme code style if you want http://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt 00:26:55 thanks .. much appreciated 00:27:39 prescriptor you should pass an environment to eval though 00:28:32 sladegen annotated #82201 "reformatted but can't test without apply-to-leaves" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/82201#1 00:29:47 thanks guys... reading your postings now 00:36:25 -!- sunny36 [n=somchok@203.159.92.21] has left #scheme 00:37:34 prescriptor: it's only a language where every peren has it's place/meaning. and if you indent it right perens disappear. 00:40:19 mejja [n=user@c-87bae555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 00:42:13 and it seems there is one too many perens in the second cond of my annotation ;() 00:59:25 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-48-246.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:10:40 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-24-73.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 01:38:15 What's the benefit of using a list over a vector? 01:40:51 greg02: What's the benefit of a vector over a record type? 01:41:37 nvm, I guess they're useful for fixed length, constant-time access where the length is a given parameter (not known at coding time) 01:42:59 It says in R6RS that vectors are smaller and faster 01:44:10 greg02: with a list, say L you can go (CONS 'X L) and you have a new list 01:45:08 What would prevent writing a command that takes the values in a vector and makes a new vector of a size one bigger? 01:47:04 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@89.146.178.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:48:28 -!- soupdragon [n=f@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:48:50 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 01:49:30 -!- mejja [n=user@c-87bae555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:49:37 greg02: (cons 'x l) is O(1). Resizing a vector is...usually O(n). 01:52:39 cky: I can't say I know what O(1) and O(n) mean- an output length of one and an output length of unknown? But why resize, why not just throw it away and make a new one. 01:53:55 O(1) and O(n) refer to the ratio of time some process some work items, to the number of those items. 01:54:20 O(1) means it really doesn't matter how many items you have; it always takes the same time; O(n) means the time is proportional to the number of items you have. 01:56:41 greg02: If you want to grab the nth item out of a vector, it's much faster than grabbing it out of a list. 01:56:58 -!- argible [n=argible@c-76-98-192-104.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:57:59 But if you're going to be changing the data structure (adding/removing stuff from one end) then a list is much faster. 01:58:19 TimMc: Well, yes. list-ref for index i is O(i); vector-ref is O(1) for any index. 01:58:45 Using the right tool for the job is key. :-) 01:59:32 Also, length (for lists) is O(n); vector-length is O(1). So when using linked lists, avoid querying for the length. 01:59:47 well, now, let's not go crazy. 01:59:55 If the list is short, it won't matter. 02:00:04 And how short is "short" -- that's up to you. 02:00:19 Sure, but that's impossible to know "a priori". 02:01:04 is it? 02:01:25 Well, it depends on whether your list is ever exposed to the outside world, etc. 02:01:35 If it's purely internal-use, I suppose you can cap the length of the list if you want. 02:01:55 I will bet that, most of the time, you have a good idea of what kinds of lists you'll e handling. 02:02:05 Switching from lists to vectors -could- be premature optimization. 02:02:19 I'm not saying switch to vectors. 02:02:31 I'm saying that most of the time, the list length isn't interesting information, and shouldn't be queried for. 02:03:03 People should be using (null? l) instead of, say, (= (length l) 0). 02:03:22 aaah 02:03:23 gotcha 02:03:26 100% agree 02:03:40 :-) 02:05:30 Thanks for the information 02:05:59 greg02: Hopefully that gave some idea about the time-complexity of operations. 02:06:49 greg02: To badly paraphrase a common saying, "happy data structures, happy life". :-P 02:07:23 "Happy cats, happy household" 02:07:29 offby1: :-) 02:11:46 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 02:14:34 Lectus [n=Frederic@189.105.10.45] has joined #scheme 02:21:19 danmey [n=user@5ac8e341.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 02:22:55 soupdragon [n=f@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 02:44:39 -!- prescriptor [n=K@59-235-147.static.golden.net] has quit [] 02:45:38 woohoo 02:45:50 I wrote a program longer than 100 lines in scheme for the first time :) 02:47:22 woohoo 02:53:09 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176197224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:15 :-) 02:53:24 congratulations 02:53:32 The last time I did that, it was to write a pure-Scheme implementation of MD5. :-P 02:53:38 I drank an entire bottle of rum withotu going insane for the first tim 02:53:38 e 02:53:42 :( 02:53:53 qebab: That sounds like a waste of a good rum. :-P 02:54:01 cky: Not at all 02:54:14 cky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzcORqLFsZw <- I have listened to this song for an hour 02:54:21 I just hope it's as pretty as I find it right now 02:54:22 *looks* 02:54:22 :p 02:54:34 it's norwegian folk 02:54:40 Heh, my Flash player died. :-P 02:54:41 you may or may not understasd squat 02:54:50 But I think I get the point. :-P 02:54:57 well worth listening to, imo 02:55:04 if you can get it working :p 02:55:04 :-) 02:55:19 :-P 02:55:21 I should sleep 02:55:25 Have fun! 02:55:28 I'm just too relaxed right nob 02:55:31 now* :( 02:55:36 Hehehehe. 02:57:19 Poeir_ [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:19 we all know for what "relaxed" is a euphemism 02:59:46 Totally. :-P 03:00:09 I will connect my amp to this laptop now 03:00:12 and play the song once more 03:00:17 Hehehehe. :-) 03:00:18 nooo 03:00:23 he'll electrocute himself 03:00:24 at like +15 db to make sure that my neighbours love me 03:00:29 and then meanwhile 03:00:31 I'll shower 03:00:35 wearing my headset 03:00:36 *lol* 03:00:36 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has quit ["Client exiting"] 03:00:39 so that offby1 is right 03:00:42 Definite electrocution. 03:01:17 Speaking of which, I have a pun/joke I use to blast people who misspell "faze". 03:01:34 If one is fazed, one is troubled or bothered by something. If one is phased, one is electrocuted. :-P 03:02:58 yep 03:03:04 my neighbours definitely love me now 03:03:07 time to shower! 03:03:15 *lol* 03:03:28 qebab: you should be mourning the passing of your countryman Erik Naggum 03:03:31 va du draum, va du te, va du hud, va du blod? 03:03:33 what 03:03:37 he's dead? 03:03:47 I read his angry newsgroup replies at some point 03:04:18 I should translate this song so that you can get a better idea of just how beautiful it is :( 03:05:49 I'm out of rum though 03:05:54 so I'll sleep instead 03:05:56 yarr 03:06:03 qebab: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/06/20/Erik-Naggum 03:08:55 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176196023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:12:51 -!- Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:13:31 gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:17:05 -!- gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:17:07 Does anyone know what Eric Naggum died of? 03:18:14 I heard "ulcerated colitis" 03:18:23 ulcerative 03:18:31 elibarzilay: Seems he had ulcerative colitis, which can lead to serious secondary infections. 03:21:48 offby1: This is what I gather from the internets. Take with appropriate # of salt grains. 03:22:11 *TimMc* is eating a freshly killed and cooked beet 03:23:07 monster 03:23:36 *offby1* doesn't eat anything with a face, or a stem 03:23:44 or a cone, or a wrapper, or ... 03:25:27 cells? 03:25:46 "wrapper" takes care of that... 03:26:07 There should be a channel named #breatharian-schemers. :-P 03:30:18 DNA 03:35:55 Hello 03:36:26 Good evening, danmey. 03:37:43 TimMc: I will not say it is evening here though, almost morning so Good Morning. 03:38:42 (Ah, well technically it is nearly midnight here...) 03:39:31 Curious, isn't it? The times of day are morning, afternoon, evening, and night... and yet only the first three may be prefixed with "good" as a greeting. 03:39:40 If you do that to the last, it becomes a farewell. 03:40:27 True, the same in Polish.. so it is invariant probably in many languages. 03:43:00 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:43:09 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 03:43:15 TimMc: It is always good to stick with IRC on early sunday morning. 03:45:04 cipher [i=weinsd0@monica.cs.rpi.edu] has joined #scheme 03:45:12 Anybody here from Cambridge, UK ? 03:49:05 *offby1* knows a fella in #emacs who lives in Cambridge 03:54:39 -!- socialite [n=piespy@dynamic-78-8-3-34.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:54:56 raikov [n=igr@41.141.0.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:59:07 socialite [n=piespy@dynamic-78-8-0-207.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #scheme 04:13:36 -!- TimMc is now known as TimMc|Bahamas 04:15:19 offby1: Thanks, who is that? If you could tell me.. 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We will be planning out a "dream" setup soon, once we become a registered cooperative corporation. 06:17:38 incubot: So, you dream of expansion and growth? 06:17:41 People dream on, and if a lot of people do that, dreams come true. 06:19:19 incubot: Ah, I should have guessed that you were a card-carrying member of the bot supremecy network, plotting to overthrow human rule. 06:19:22 conservative? 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spic [n=spic@87.99.83.235] has joined #scheme 20:46:52 Hello, guys. Started learning scheme today (thanks to arclanguage.org), and currently am puzzled with a simple question: why (cons '1 '2) is not the same as '(1 2), and what is that thing, the result of the cons? 20:48:55 <[1]gcartier> '(1 2) is the equivalent of "asdasdf" for a string 20:49:17 <[1]gcartier> (cons '1 '2) would be the runtime equivalent of new String(...) 20:49:36 WTF are you talking about [1]gcartier? 20:49:48 java 20:49:49 spic: '(1 2) is the same as (cons 1 (cons 2 '())) 20:50:18 spic: (cons 1 2) creates an improper list of two elements 20:50:32 In general, cons creates pairs; two values stuck together 20:50:54 -!- gcartier [n=gcartier@modemcable041.137-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:50:54 -!- [1]gcartier is now known as gcartier 20:50:55 A number of pairs of which the last pair's cdr is '() is called a proper list 20:51:18 was trying to show the difference between a literal and a runtime evaluation 20:51:43 Your example would be the difference between '(1 2) and (list 1 2) 20:51:46 so '(1 2) is [1 2 nil] and (cons 1 2) is [1 2]? 20:51:46 the difference is that you can SET-CAR! and SET-CDR! the CONS but not the literal 20:51:58 spic '(1 . (2 . ())) 20:52:00 spic: I don't understand that notation 20:53:56 rudybot: eval (car (cons '1 '2)) 20:53:56 sladegen: your sandbox is ready 20:53:57 sladegen: ; Value: 1 20:54:02 rudybot: eval (cdr (cons '1 '2)) 20:54:02 sladegen: ; Value: 2 20:54:18 rudybot: eval (cdr '(1 2)) 20:54:18 sladegen: ; Value: (2) 20:54:24 ejs [n=eugen@94-16-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 20:54:24 Aha 21:04:09 *offby1* likes to hear "Aha", unless it's coming from the Evil Villain 21:04:17 aha! 21:06:30 hah! 21:07:49 -!- gcartier [n=gcartier@64.235.221.3] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!"] 21:11:54 harrr! 21:12:42 (I feel that I need to ask another question about scheme so it wouldn't be so offtopic, but everything so far is quite clear) 21:13:17 Nuts, then we must be doing something wrong. 21:13:54 incubot: yow 21:14:26 OY! Am I CONSING yet?! 21:14:39 I haven't got to the mind-boggling parts yet 21:14:41 *Daemmerung* rejoices in help from an unexpected source 21:14:51 wow, that was weird 21:15:04 -!- ejs [n=eugen@94-16-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:15:17 Zippy the Goyische Pinhead 21:16:00 _Yiddische_, puh-leeze 21:16:18 *Daemmerung* pays no attention to the man behind the curtainbot 21:16:30 *offby1* whistles innocently 21:16:35 *offby1* looks at his feet 21:18:15 Incidentally, if some bot were to support an OY command that s/YOW/OY/ for a number of common responses, I don't think that King Features could object. Though IANAL natch. 21:20:40 *offby1* starts on yiddishifying the YOW database 21:23:49 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-202-163.rdns.as8401.net] has left #scheme 21:23:52 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:30:27 ejs [n=eugen@94-16-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 21:37:41 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:40:09 dunh dunh dunh dunh dunh dunh, dunh dunh duh dunh dunh dunh, OY! 21:40:15 -!- ejs [n=eugen@94-16-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:05:48 melgray_ [n=melgray@32.154.244.251] has joined #scheme 22:09:05 -!- melgray_ [n=melgray@32.154.244.251] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:10:39 -!- melgray [n=melgray@97-126-114-243.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:15:04 RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@89.146.182.158] has joined #scheme 22:26:06 -!- joast1 [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:28:20 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme 22:33:05 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@f051054047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 22:33:54 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@SE400.PPPoE-6009.sa.bih.net.ba] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:38:36 -!- raikov [n=igr@42.155.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:39:17 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-129-65.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:43:28 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-24-157.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:49:40 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:51:44 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 22:59:06 -!- Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:01:33 melgray [n=melgray@97-126-114-243.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:12:26 -!- slashcom [n=slashcom@75.126.245.50] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:22:27 dean [i=4b107cb6@gateway/web/freenode/x-bad0de884355c5e8] has joined #scheme 23:22:33 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:23:57 arcfide [n=arcfide@h-68-165-56-221.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #scheme 23:24:17 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme 23:25:14 You know the hard version of SICP exercise 2.58 23:25:20 the symbolic differentiator 23:27:25 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 23:28:46 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs162149.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:31:13 sreeram [n=sreeram@122.174.65.3] has joined #scheme 23:33:08 dean yeah 23:33:15 I know that 23:34:26 -!- dean [i=4b107cb6@gateway/web/freenode/x-bad0de884355c5e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 23:41:01 -!- raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:45:34 -!- sreeram_ [n=sreeram@122.174.65.109] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:47:11 -!- cky [n=cky@cpe-024-211-249-162.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Restarting X server...."] 23:50:24 intellectually? biblically? in a metarepresentational schema? 23:56:56 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:58:54 joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has joined #scheme